2024 Austrian Grand Prix Race Review | P1 Podcast 

George > Washmilton

@@AlexSteenOlsen what on earth inspired you to comment this you 3 year old george glazer

And over an hour. Lol

Understandably no one wants to open twitter can of worms today

​@@AlexSteenOlsenI don't care. George is still a wanker

Edit: Ffs I can't word. "Really" instead of "never"

And George and Carlos both laughed. 😂

@@TheMissiIe There's an edit function, this isn't 2008

Very Australian humor lol

that’s why I call him Australian Kimi raikkonenen

Fair play to Ted for that one, but he is still a tit.

@@someoneunseen5168 No argument here.

They can pull an RB and swap him to 3rd seat and put Jack in the car for the rest of the season. Might as well to get him some running time

😂😂😂

Time to extend his contract thru 2030 🇲🇽

He is and has always been mid. People forget that the Pink Mercedes was winning the WDC the year before and even Stroll managed to podium in it. When the 2022 regs hit, he seemed closer to Max because neither driver were comfortable in the car. But once they did, Max hit the floor running and Perez got exposed.

He has posted a pic. He had a gaping hole in the car

Verstappen doesn't want to loose... Had a dramatic pitstop, probably was very angry about it, tried hard to drive away, made a braking error, got more angry, didn't want to give up for the orange army, and made an error.. thats it.

Perez isn’t great at the moment. But did you see the giant hole in his car from lap 1

in front of a red bull at that!

@@FirdausF3 true!

And K-Mag P8 as well. Haas had a very good day.

This is why Maldonado is the greatest driver of all time.

@@xtheamazingax don't forget Ricciardo P9 as well

Leclerc is washed

​@@kevinlaguna2023mf this is literally the first race where he was affected massively by a mistake he made since Zandvoort 2023

​@@kevinlaguna2023hater clown

@@noname-ey3pk he got outdone today by checo??? Hahaha

​@@kevinlaguna2023watch the race first before commenting

Poor guy lol... To be fair, Red Bull hardly fumbles a pit stop. It's unfortunate that it happened.

in australia his left rear brake also cooked. coincidence?

7s gap down to 1.7s yikes!

It was the first (!) pitstop from Max that was over 3 sec 👀 They gain him more than they lose

What a legend he is. Netflix cut him a check instantly

No one seem to remember that funny enough.

@@uriuruiru because British drivers rarely can be at fault. They really love to pile it on Verstappen if they can. Buxton and Palmer were clowns in their post race show. I really hope Max sticks it these biased c*unts at the beloved home race.

The part everyone forgets, especially Sky Sports!

Victim is an interesting word to use.

You're only a legend once you finish.

@@VectusCraft true but I am growing tired of the Verstappen bashing by British media. Let them race and sort it out on the track.

You do realise the British press vilified Schumacher for what he did to Hill?

British press did not call Schumacher a legend till much much later, at the time he was vilified. As for Max he’s a genius but he can’t be allowed to keep getting away with moving under breaking like that, it’s bloody dangerous. The squeezing that caused the accident was the least bad of the incidents, I agree that happens, though needs to be reviewed carefully.

@@themightyant. Yep true. Does that make it acceptable to continue doing that? I would just like both sides to be given a fair argument. I haven't seen one journo or youtuber ask the question of what Lando was doing on the outside at that corner. He wasn't alongside so was he lunging around the outside? Seems very risky. Not defending Max but arguing both sides would be far more interesting than just bashing Max.

But he had

He wasn't even over the line. Robbed.

he was yeeted in the first corner and then run off the track into the gravel by sergio. Even after starting P7 Oscar couldve won it.

...If my grandma had wheels, she'd have been a bike 😜😂

And now everyone knows why Oscar and McLaren were so upset about it!

most genuine? gasly and yuki exist

If this ends their friendship then it wasn’t one to begin with.

If we're talking butterfly effects, I want to add that Horner's controversy which created tension in the team and made Adrian Newey leave, probably slowed Red Bull's development and allowed McLaren to catch up

This is what makes the sport so fun. Every little thing matters.

Exactly I doubt their friendship will end after this ​@@naasam6339

Dont you know we believe in bandwagons thats what generates views fk logic😂

Who violates track limits that many times? Someone who is driving recklessly and desperately. Lando has a ton of maturing to do if he wants to win races. A more mature driver would have bided his time, waiting for the RIGHT moment. But Norris dive bombed again and again and again, taking foolish chances. If anything, Max probably saved him from a shunt because he just kept getting more frustrated with each corner. Norris was also so desperate to get past Max that he kept racing when he had a puncture. Max got out of the way, slowed down and headed for the pits. Norris kept gunning it until his tire shredded and his car was coming apart. Had Norris kept his cool, he would have slowed down, went into the pits and continued in with his race. He could have served his 5 second penalty too.

Had to be done. Race was too crazy at the end lol.

My thought precicely

2 points for that one as well

Ow shit he did

agree. What race did these two watch? The track limit was because Lando Dive bombed and slide off the track. its not about gaining time, the dive bomb equally slowed Max down because he had to avert the move.

Perez had a hole in his sidepod that you could stick your head in. And these guys record a podcast without even knowing it FFS...

​​@@pacman1ptbf I found out loke 30 mns ago when I saw post race interviews, and we didn't hear a radio from checo abt the damage

THANK YOU! I thought I was crazy or dreaming that Checo had side pod damage!

Hamilton also had a hole in his side pod. He wasn't a minute behind his teammate 😂 it's never checos fault lol

@@obobobobal I thought it was floor damage🤷🏼‍♀️. But whatever it was they mentioned that. They did not mention Checo’s significant damage

Yeah lol had they announced earlier max probably wouldve been less aggressive and avoided the crash.

I think this was unavoidable because both teams knew the penalty was coming. Commentors where already saying only way Norris wins if he creates a gap of 5 sec after overtake, so it was just hunger of max and ambition of Norris

Lando was faster than Max, if he got by, he's making the 5 seconds up with the time that they had. Also, it makes no difference when they announce it Lando is not going to yield just because he gets a penalty, if anything he'll apply more pressure, because the cost is even greater. I don't think it's any difference from how the FIA normally are, they're always about show, after all, they let Max move under braking and gain an advantage when Lando dive bombed inside of him for the lead. They said nothing then, why is it an issue if they're quite about a penalty for a bit.. if anything that's the least of their faults.

Nah, Max was always going to go for the on track win. But seriously I don't see the issue with the defending. Alonso and other legends defend like that all the time. He wasn't swerving wildly or anything. The accident was his fault, though. With that being said, Lando could've also avoided it using the curbing, not that legally he has to. I'm just saying everyone here knew what they were doing.

@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks- Lando had fresher tires, and constantly had DRS of course...which Max would have had if Lando had passed him. At some moment, the fresher tire advantage levels out. So I'm not so sure Lando would have been able to make up 5 seconds. The RB was clearly faster in the first part of the race.

absolutely, I still can't understand what lando was going for there on the outside.way too impatient and doesnt prepare his overtakes smart enough. He never really tried something in T4.

It's about obligation. Lando being able to take more kerb, doesn't change the fact that Max didn't leave a cars width. You are not obliged to cover up another driver's rule breaking by moving out onto the kerb. It's only a racing incident so long as both drivers stay within the rules. If one of them breaks the rules, they are liable for any collision that comes of it.

@@Dagr8soldjer My point is that so many drivers in every race over the years have done exactly what Max did in that corner and sometimes squeezing the driver on the outside even more and it never got punished for any of them. Where was all this outrage and drama-hyping in all those other instances?

@@Dagr8soldjer there was like 93% of a car width, excl. the kerb. There was a video floating around from a previous year. but with Max behind and on the outside. He took way more Kerb and was able to cut back and in the end overtake cleanly. Lando did not try everything to prevent it either

All of this comes down to “both of them made questionable moves. Max dodged. Lando wasn’t talented enough to avoid the crash” but because Max’s mistake had the consequences, everyone ignores Lando doing the same thing 3x before 😂

Bizarre really! Max had a 7.3 second lead if I remember right.

Is the whole British thing. They see what they wanna see to defend a British driver.

Absolutely spot on 💯 can only pass him SAFELY on the straights

@@aaronnatornot even that. Saudi 2021 💀

@@ovt8454 Hamilton could have passed him safely in that occasion, since Verstappen had to give up the position. They decided to play a form of DRS chicken instead, very badly I might add.

​@ruudrijsdijk4121 Well, FiA haven't given instructions to Mercedes that Max will give the position back but the DRS mindgames were dangerous as hell

@@ovt8454 oh snap forgot about that you’re right 😂

Here comes max and lando rivals era 😂

None of them are really friends tbh , see charles and carlos , slag each other over an overtake

@@Stephanie-s2024 ye I hope they do not Collide in Silverstone 🤣🤣😂

😂yup, this was a bit more than an inchident....

They are still friends lol

No they're doing the thing they said they weren't going to do and prematurely make statements or get baited by SkyF1 articles, like not mentioning that Max said he would have to rewatch before he makes any definitive statements, and even later, when Max admitted it was a clumsy incident.

Too bad the commentators on F1tv has the worst british bias ever. Hard fighting, Max overdid it, so did Lando, but if you just listen to f1tv pundits you would think max jumped out of the car and shot a rocket launcher at Lando

I’m a Max fan here. The guy was borderline dirty and we need to accept it. Made 2 borderline illegal moves in the braking zone and squeezed Lando on his 3rd try. Any other position, driver would’ve gotten a penalty but because it’s a fight for 1st. Grey areas appear in the rule book magically.

@@aaronnatorI totally agree that max was definitely right on the line (and probably over it). However so was lando, they were both racing extremely agressivly and bound to crash eventually.

@@HansoenIt was really passing me off. Crafty saying “lando learned what it’s like to race max vertappen” or something along those lines. All while ignoring Landos dive bombs that pushed max off. They were both driving extremely aggressively, it wasn’t just max.

Divebombs that push someone off on exit are allowed and have been Max's go to move his whole career. Just get to apex first and it's allowed. Moving under braking is not. Norris went off once so correctly gave the position back. Max went off deliberately to keep the position.

Max is carrying the baggage of his past behaviour which was appalling.

Sainz doesn't have a history of this sort of behaviour, say what you want about sainz's aggression but until this season leclerc and sainz have never made contact despite hard racing. Sainz knows where the line is. Max is a once in a generation talent no doubt about it, arguably the best driver on the grid he just needs to stop being a sore loser.

Sainz was lucky that wasn’t a crash

Don't get me wrong! Love the show and loved the racing was great to watch!

Gave the position back

Yeah this puzzled me too. Especially as tommy SAYS he is a big max fan and the inchident had nothing to do with matts leclerc, i thought they would be objective about the case. Yet the questionable moves of lando seem to be skipped by everyone lol. Im a max AND lando fan though, love them to bits, but ive seen some on/over the limit stuff from them both this weekend, which is fine and cheeky cuz both did it, but it just happened to not end well for them both THIS TIME, so kind of an extra disappointing race for me. Yet the one sided blaming of P1, the lando tracklimitpenalty taking years vs fairly fast max penalty given by steward johnny Herbert (who allegedly got fired from sky for saying shit like max robbed a title)(who could also see on max his boardcam that the road bends there and didnt steer), Hill Kravitz Brundle and Buxton slightly stirring up the hate in the media again, implying a monster has reawakened, it saddens me deeply. They completely disregard the amount of influence they actually have on the amount of people who find it hard to form an own opinion about racing rules as they are confusing as fk. So if public "experts" blame one side and forget to mention the other, many fans will blindly trust everything such public figures say, only causing unnecessary resentment and hate on social media, especially as sky also denies brits the option of choosing f1tv. The last thing we need is more resentment in our lovely sport. Sometimes a shit race or incidents just happen, even when 2 greats are involved, its just how it is. Its not like nico and lewis crashed every race again after spain 2016 either. Hopefully silverstone will provide some proper beautiful racing again like the friggin fiery lions max and lando have showed before! Theyll fight it out on track instead, so the media can focus more on an OBJECTIVE and complete analysis afterwards about EVERYTHING that happened, not just a part of it because the other part happens to have their british nationality. If you are looking for a proper analysis i can recommend Peter Windsors take by the way he checked board cameras and both their actions, was a pleasant surprise.

Tommy hates Max

​@@Weezy10580ya sure?

@@mz5790 yeah

In what book do you see that? Divebomb is a divebomb, you shouldn't drive the other car of the track and that's it, tire lockup is optional, otherwise you need to let the other driver the position back, Lando did that, Max did not

Lando dive bombed and Max made a late move/nudge. That obviously caused Lando to lock up.

@@EireannachNathairin max’s book lol

You can lock up and still hit the apex and make the corner and lando did that. Locking up has nothing to do with it

The track limits incident when norris ran off. He only locked up after max moved under braking. You cant just easily avoid that while on the brakes already. They brake in a straight line for a reason.

That was unbelievable, i cant believe nobodys talking about that, literally pushed him properly on the grass

Because they’re not remotely comparable. Tight squeezing down to T1 and moving under braking, overtaking off track, causing a collision, and THEN squeezing off track are not comparable to each other.

It’s consequence based judgement in fanbase. It’s clear as day

@@tarettime9392I don’t think the point is that they’re comparable. The media is making it out like Lando is a clean faultless driver. He’s not. Leading up to the incident, Lando was reckless. The incident itself, Max was at fault.

@@thecompanioncube4211 You say that like it's a bad thing...I am so sick of this F1 fan mantra that consequences don't matter. Consequences are, by self-definition, _consequential._ This desire to ignore consequences but also somehow came up with procedural penalties that are perfect and align with what is "right" for any given situation is maddening. Let consequences matter, because they do. To say otherwise is just to lie to ourselves and I'm tired of it!

no, that was an amazing overtake but the constellation of the sun, the moon and Max's intention to make the corner before forest eventually made Driver-of-the-day forget to brake and turn in. What an atrocious behaviour. Max should be made to give the win for next week's race to all British drivers. Yes ALL, because it's nice, and 2nd place to Charles because he had so much bad luck and 3rd to Hulkenberg because he also deserve a podium and they should make the Alpine drivers sing Kumba Ya at a campfire and everybody should just get along well. Also, LEAVE LANDO ALONE

We couldn't wait to do the podcast haha

Faster than the end of Ver-Lando friendship the minute Lando’s car became competitive

Ended the twitch stream early so they could record raw reactions

​@@mattp1tommyleclerc is washed??

@@kevinlaguna2023 I wouldn’t say washed. But Matt unironically saying Charles driver of the day? Not having that. Charles messed up in quali which was his own fault, started out of position, got squeezed at the start, had a poor race because out of position. If that was any other top driver the two of them would be all over that, giving the driver a 4 out of 10 because poor quali put them there. I bet Matt gives Charles an undeserved 8/10.

Because he's English.

Because teenage fangirls vote for him in huge numbers

People are dumb. Hulk should have been DOTD by a long shot

@@FermentosI was about to vote for Hulkenberg but the vote closed sadly.

Dotd was oscar. Robbed of starting in 3rd, nearly fought his way back to a win from 7th. His two passes around the outside of perez and sainz easily the best of the day.

Yeah the Seward's and the FIA agree too. Theres also video and data of max moving under braking. But yeah it's all a conspiracy fella....

@@KLC6432 It's not an issue of "conspiracy" - it's the ridiculous bias and tiresome whinging from the British fans, youtubers and Press in particular whenever one of their drivers has an "incident". Russell in Australia is a classic case in point.

@@hershalkrostofsky825 and the FIA, the stewards, the pundits and the team principles that all state max was wrong. Accept it.

@@KLC6432 the crash was fault of max but Norris tried 3 times before the crash and didnt get pass cuz of he was too far behind, why didnt norris learn from that and wait untill he get closer to max (he was faster then max) and pass max cleanly. You could this coming that something will go wrong before the crash.

@@LocoLegends that's right blame the guy that didn't move under braking several times...

Think he's the average fan, fanbois are the ones who comment and say toxic things

@@kevinlaguna2023 and unfortunately, they're the ones with the loudest voices.

@@kevinlaguna2023the amount of fanboys crying about one another is completely obnoxious

I fault max all the time but still tune in for him. What he does 99% of the time that is so impressive out ways the questionable moves or down right dirty moves for me to tune in for it

Lap 64 Max changes direction and takes the blame, I can agree on that. But don’t think Lando’s multi divebombs is any better. All could have been race-ending incidents for both.

Brits being Brits.

Lando would have gained 5 seconds on Max

@Bobby09LFC max would have been in drs and lando already locked up his new tyres on his 2nd attempt at passing in turn 3. And there was like 8 laps remaining at that point.

​@@15scholaMax locked up his old tires at first lap after pit stop..

McLaren definitely looks to be the fastest when the fuel loads get lighter.

Yep, a relevant point.

Lando was pretty lucky too tbh. When he was just outside the second of max, he got drs from a back marker twice which brought him within a second

@@wess1436 I think Lando saying he did nothing wrong is what got me the most. Both of them were pushing the line.

@@jstambo478 Definitely. The last thing I've heard Max say is that he needed to review the footage. That is a much more professional response

@@wess1436 absolutely I'm not really a fan of asking athletes questions immediately after they finish their sports. It causes issues that don't need to happen they could wait a bit/leave the contentious ones till last

ouchh

Same bro, where I live race began at 6am and I accidentally setup my alarm for every day of the week except for sunday :c Woke up just to see Lando crash into Max Xd

Worse still, think of the people that turned it off halfway through 😂

savageeee id be fuming

Watch a replay?

It's not fine though. It keeps happening to anyone who gets close to Max. Max moved under breaking, it's dangerous.

EXACTLY!!!

Ultimately it doesn't matter, Perez underperformed all weekend AGAIN

He just didn't though

Yes, he got that in lap 1 turn 1, when he and Oscar sqeezed Le Clerc. Perez was the one most to blame for that.

There's a huge gaping hole in Perez's talent.

It is racing.

It's not controversial it's r****ded

That's racing. Max was too aggressive with his defence and Lando was too aggressive with the attack but ultimately Max caused the crash and that's the end of it.

Max didn’t avoid contact on the dive bombs. Those were quality attempts. On the other hand they didn’t work because max was moving under braking and overtook off track to keep position. The only way a collision would’ve happened sooner is if max drove even more poorly

I agree, if the other driver has to take avoiding action, a penalty should be given. Since when did forcing drivers of the track become "hard racing" perez should have got a penalty on lap 1 aswell

He had the fastest car and lost to a dude who had the joint 3rd fastest car. The shame is he is off the pace in the fastest car.

@@lukenoonan3898Only by 2 seconds despite losing 4 grid positions to a marginal track limits call. Hardly off the pace.

If RB has quick pitstops, Max would have won easily.

@@SimonStandbridge he was 20 seconds behind his team mate bro what are you smoking? Either be objective or don't bother comment because it's embarrassing. Reminder, the dude had the fastest car and was 2 seconds behind another dude with the 3rd fastest car.

"If blah blah blah" arguments need to go in the bin. Racing isn't qualifying and results are earned, not given to the "fastest car"

He caused a collision, it’s pretty cut and dry

@@Duval-In-The-WallLando dove up the inside of max and made max go wide 3x before this. If they’d collided, it would’ve been Lando’s fault. Realistically, if Lando had just run wide instead of trying to turn in, they’d have both finished the race. And If we’re talking about mistakes, Lando made more. Max’s just had worse consequences

​@Ashley-lz9jh watch the replay Lando was going straight, Max was drifting over to the left. Clear as day.

@@Ashley-lz9jh If they collided, but they didn’t. That move is pretty much in the Max playbook anyway Max kept weaving under braking, he looked like he was going to cause a crash, and he did

Amen!

Yes if they gave the penalty within 2 laps then the last move was not necessary

How come Lando can not do an overtake in one decisive move? His car was so much faster.

@@alvori1 Because Max is moving under breaking into his line.

Or if they made Max give the position to Lando after Max kept it off the track

@@tomlischke592 It's called "hard racing", look it up

100 percent right on

I completely agree. But it doesn’t mean it’s right.

honestly looking back at the fight multiple times its hard to even fault Max (completely). Twice Lando absolutely sends it forcing Max to take evasive action and even go off the track. Then Max positions his car to take the apex and Lando refuses to go into the run off. Yes Max was at fault and had to leave more track space, but Norris also had ample time and space to react. At the end of the day though Max takes 10 points while Charles/Norris both take 0.

​@@daarom3472 how is it any different to what max does all the time? Actually the difference is lando managed to avoid contact unlike max. We've seen him do it with lewis seb raikkonen

​@@daarom3472 nah it's obvious he was at fault, luckily nothing much happened

My guess is that Lando expected Max to make the corner after that and not continue ahead. Thats why he turned as well

@@TheMoikero goes to show that Lando wasn`t the smartest today.

Wouldn't have made a difference anyway.

They had to review if Max late moves caused the lockup, (as if you have to turn while breaking you lose a lot of braking).

it came after 2 or 3 laps. Which means 2 or 3 minutes. Sounds ok to me

@@F1ll1nTh3BlanksI think so

I don't think Norris had an opportunity to serve the penalty, since he retired right after. Does this mean he will get a grid place penalty for Silverstone?

They also waited until seeing the gaps before giving Max an in-consequential penalty.

They 100% decided on the penalty eons ago but chose not to push it to let them race...they actually caused this

I don't see how it matters. Penalty was after the pit stop. Wouldn't have been served before the race ended. If anything, Norris would have been fighting to build a 5 sec gap if he could.

@@Shuuboxthey also caused it by letting max move under breaking unpunished

Excellent

Bad memory here. What year was this?

No Matt is right. Max was at fault.

Max nf outside the regulations constantly moving under breaking

@@safcjcpNo he wasn’t derelict

@@safcjcp Max moved just before breaking not under breaking and that is allowed.

Lewis tried to play that game with Max. What happened to Lewis since then?

​@@karleintracht4958Lewis, Lewis, Lewis, always goes back to Lewis.

​@@karleintracht4958we all know how 2021 went down... After that there was no mercedes to fight for wins.

Because anytime Max “fights” he cheats. Imagine if any other driver forced a collision 100% they have to race another driver. This sport would suck. Max is ruining the sport with driving like that.

@@jumoreno43the old victim mentality he? Let’s only allow drs passes

@@mark4motion68 no but maybe we allow Lando to overtake and not run him off the road, crash into him, or change line in the braking zone? What max does isn’t racing hard, it’s cheating.

He sent it via Evri

Max under braking on Lando 3 times in one corner, and crashed the car twice. There's not much of a discussion about this mate.

Max verstappen fans are the same as him . Unable to accept fault and less than honorable.

Friday: Jos Verstappen: "I'm completely done with Horner" => Sunday: Lando Norris: "I'm completely done with Verstappen"

⁠@@pudgeederekyou’re watching a video of a Verstappen literally saying he was in the wrong. Like, there’s only 2 people in the video. How do you miss that? I also think he’s at fault. That makes 2. First crash in years. You’re pretending Max is in a Mercedes torpedo.

@@skeletonmodel I knew you would someone somewhere would magically find a way to put that Mercedes meat in their mouth 😂😭. They have nothing to do with this why you bringing them up?

Lando didnt make the corner once. Not twice. You "dive bomb" and make the corner, its called a pass.

First one was a mistake, he didn’t make the corner However on the second one he reached the apex first and got past. Lately in F1 we’re used to drivers closing the door on exit, idk how Max was able to run off track and keep that position

@@Duval-In-The-Wall His rear tire had just been blown out. That doesn't exactly help him make the corner.

Moving like that in the braking zone is against the rules, simple as. Let's not forget Max and his driving style that earned him his rep in F1. He has a track record.

@@sletzer I’m talking about the lap before, Max accelerated off the track to keep the lead

According to the rules post drivers complaints about Max Verstappen, in 2022 the rules were re clarified to not need a car to be exactly beside the other, just that a "substantial part of the car" was alongside the other. Even the prior detail on the rule of axel to axel, was only at the point of the apex. Max went into Lando even before they actually hit the Apex.

Neither driver was racing clean, but because Max was involved, the other party is immediately deemed completely innocent

​​@@This_0ne_Person As you should! Max has a huge history of being dirty, Lando doesn't. Your comment is like saying "because ocon has a reputation of crashing into teammates, we dont blame his teammates" well he has that reputation for a reason duh.

It’s now three in row that Danny Ric has beaten Yuki. Danny Ric has the bit between his teeth now.

@@michaelcobbinUnpopular opinion - Dan’s had better race pace most of the season. Yuki is quicker over 1 lap & it’s harder to overtake so Yuki has the better results.

@@warrenm6882 You are probably right. Daniel’s race pace experience is starting to show. If Daniel continues with this form, people will have to shut up on the topic that Daniel doesn’t deserve to be F1. It was clear that Haas and Daniel went with a different tyre strategy, and it paid off.

​@@warrenm6882how is that 😜 unpopular everyone knows that

Future world champ honestly

I don't think he would like to INHERIT his first GP win, especially when it takes to his teammate be eliminated in front of him.. Oscar with his tire attitude should be qualifying in front of Lando, he should have better first laps to show his raw speed. Now it's just about him toasting his tires with no relevant reason.

Whats the shame ? He could not keep it between the lines. Lost it fair and square.

​@@thunderbolt854 If that was the case, he must have touched the gravel, since that's why the gravel trap is there...oh, but he didn't.

@@Wolfywolf7 the gravel trap is not a catch all and its not a rule enforced.. if ypu are touching the gravel you are ridiculously wide and cheating at that point. The rule is to keep atleast 1 wheel within the white lines. And he unfortunately crossed the line completely. If you still want to argue with the clearly laid put rule what can i say 🤷‍♂️

"dive bombing" isnt dirty. Its how you pass.

@@MrTobytat2 By pushing the other driver off track with all the divebombs? If Max would do that you would be all going crazy for penalties. 😂 Max literally had to move out of the way two times because Lando was going straight off track while divebombing. 😂

@@0okyo Max wasn't pushed off. He went off to keep his momentum. You don't watch much racing, do you? And Lando went off track once. You don't have any leg to stand on so you lie.

@@MrTobytat2 I see that you didn’t even watched the race 😂 It’s okay to have zero clue and comment without watching , but you will only seem to be stupid this way. 😂 He went off the track because Lando braked so late that if Max continues to turn in they will crash 100% . But since you didn’t watch the race you must missed these parts😂

@@0okyo I don't care what you tell yourself nor does anyone else. If you make the corner and are ahead, it's your corner. What Max does to deal with that fact is up to Max. And apparently he likes going off the track in order to keep his position.

Yeah, I think his engineer said it is for Turn 1. So carrying more speed onto the straight and the run up to T3

you hope every driver cheated in defence?

The RACE is on!!!!

​@@gothicusmaximus5697squeezing drivers is a common occurrence, literally happens all the time. You just don't hear about it unless it leads to a collision. Lando last week, leclarc 2023 and so many more.

Hard racing is fine....as long as it's fair. Moving under braking is dangerous and track limits violations aren't. For the stewards to investigate track limits but not investigate moving in the braking zone is simply perverse. Lando left the track and gave the position back. Max left the track and gained an advantage and didn't return the position.

@@gothicusmaximus5697 you again. 🤣

Well Matt is the one that makes normal thumbnails every qualy, unless Max doesn’t have Pole, and then it’s exclamations marks and ‘amazing qualy’ however boring it was.

Yeah well, Matt, along with many others, give an overreacting to a relatively small fault. Maybe because it's max, maybe because the "victim" is a Brit. Norris shows that he is an impatient driver and doesn't have the skill like other great wheel to wheel drivers.

Yet Max had to break the rules to prevent Lando from passing him. So, no, Lando was doing fine until Max went crashstappen mode.

@@thatrustyone1943 He has the skill, just lacks experience when using it. He will learn and hopefully makes less moves which are half possible. He was way quicker then Max after the pitstop, he could have had him easy with just a little bit more patience.

@@sread833 Well, Lando made some dodgy attempts too. So both were driving on the limit (which was awesome).

Yeah that is why max got a 10 sec penalty and was at fault

It was slightly Max's fault by the definition. But I totally agree with you, HAM was applauded for that move and squeezed him out. But Lando was behind Max at the 50m marker for both dive bombs. And get it. Max used to do that, but then they changed the rules. Lando was way too clumsy in the sprint and these "overtaking attempts"

@@steffighter144Alonso got 3 penalty points for bumping into Sainz in the China sprint. Stewards aren’t always right

@@ThommyOchoWhat part of his move did they have an issue with? I just haven’t heard what part of it was outside the rules

@@gabehorn69420 the anti-max camp couldnt stop talking about "move under braking". apparently it is about the code of conduct with regards to braking and steering. When are you allowed to do what. I have seen worse. I find that Lando exaggerated when complaining about Max's defending. I didnt see him weaving left to right. There were maybe tiny movements but come on. We see that every race weekend. often unpunished. Ocon vs. Alonso was worse.

Facts

Last week, if Max would have crashed out or even if he didn’t still overtake Lando, there would definitely have been a lot more said about it, Jolyon Palmer would be drawing lines to see if Lando left a cars width or not. But seeing as Max still got ahead and Lando lost out it was just seen as a first lap incident.

Right on

not your place to decide for other people what they get upset about though is it. It was Max's fault, and he put someone out the race because of it - if they choose to not get upset when it happens to someone else, so what, this incident was still Max's fault

The thing about it is either way Max was going to lose the win whether he took another driver out of the race or not. Norris was all over him. He had to drive like '21 again just so someone wouldn't beat him, I'm just disappointed he hasn't changed and become more respectful. Additionally Norris shouldn't have pushed him onto the grass but crucially, there was no collision, nobody had damage, nobody's race was ruined and nobody was put out of the race when the win was on. The 2 incidents are not the same.

Because a British crybaby was involved, it was bound to happen

Small incident? A fight for the lead of the grand prix that went on for several laps and ended up with both leading drivers been taken out is a "small incident"? OK...

@@sahilthomasbara that you made such an immature statement on a public forum is embarrasing

@@a1white I am talking about the contact and what caused it

Hey not trying to fight or take sides. But i see alot of comments mentioning Max moving underbraking. But if u look at the telemetry/onboards, u can see Max moves n then brakes. U can say he moved in the braking zone but he never moved while actually braking. I m a sim racer n we pull this move all the time n its usually upto the guy behind to not ram the guy infront. I just wanna see what others r seeing.

@@nafizjubaer1717 I completely get that and the little bit of sim racing I do, I’ll squeeze before I break too. I think it’s a tough one because I hadn’t seen the telemetry data yet. Either way it’s a move I know and love Max for but as a competitor myself, I’d be hard-pressed not to say that it’s a competitors job to push the limits. Lando has plenty of fault in this too. I’d even say it’s just a racing incident and it just sucks it’s between arguably my favorite 2 on the grid. But thanks for your input!

@@nafizjubaer1717I have to respectfully disagree. Might not have been every time but most egregious was lap 55 (and I guess the lap they made contact?). They brake around the 100 meter board and Max starts pulling right around the 60 meters. A/V might not be perfectly synced but you can hear the car decelerating before the 100 meter board. No chance he’s not already on the brakes at this point.

@@JustinArthQBalso a sim racer (& a Lando and max fan too) and have to say that Lando too holds some blame. The kerbing in the outside of that corner is easily driveable and imo, Lando could have seen the squeeze and taken a wider line to undercut max. Sure this is what max was wanting him to do, but with DRS - I think Lando gets him in the straight regardless

id say the cheating defending was worse than the actual bang

Indeed about 3 years to late lol

drive through penally like the long lap penalty in MotoGP. Granted a drive through you lose far more time. but for the blatant offencese in F1 that result in another driver DNF i think drive through penalties are warranted.

Yeah, have position drops because a driver you don't like received a penalty lol. It has been this way for as long as F1 has existed, and I'm damn sure you didn't complain about it before today.

​@@tex4523 offences aren't looked at with the post offence consequence. They're looked at with the actual move regardless of what happened. Otherwise Hamilton would've gotten a race ban for Silverstone 2021.

@@indcredible7839 I have thought of it many times, especially during the Mercedes era when everyone was so spread out anyway that when accidents do happen, the penalties meant nothing

Yeah but you can’t say he would have done much better

@@BrysonDobbins-mz9sk We don't know, he had a good start and once he got the damage it started going down.

Dive bombs are allowed in this sport, and Lando didn’t hit Max once, and gave the place back when he went off, that’s hard fair racing, Max turning under braking isn’t fair racing

@@Bobby09LFC Oh they're allowed now? I guess all that complaining about Max's divebombs in 2021 didn't happen then? Yeah Lando didn't hit Max because Max knows he has to back out in those moments otherwise he has Norris in his sidepod. Hell, Norris literally went off track during one of those divebombs because he locked up as he dived too late. How is forcing another driver to either crash or give up the position in any way fair racing? Funny how the narrative of fair and unfair is completely arbitrary depending on the driver.

@@AegrusYTdivebombing where you keep it on track and don’t cause a collision has always been considered fair racing. Lando gave the position back after going off track for a reason. He knew that because of the lock up it wasn’t a fair move. Moving under braking is never a fair move. He did it multiple times. He over took off track then he ran into him when he was significantly alongside.

@@AegrusYT When Max dive bombed he hit people, Lando didn’t, how hard is it to understand you can’t just run into people?

Kinda weird right, this is what everyone wants and then all the pundits cry about it… Probably the best wheel to wheel battle we’ve seen all season 🤷🏽‍♂️

Max is so scared of Lando he has to take him out

​@@Bobby09LFClol you can't be serious

⁠@@blockchainalphahe’s a dirty racer and a sore loser he couldn’t cope with the fact lando was going to pass him, needs more serious penalties to stop his childish behaviour on track

@@blockchainalpha Max was moving under braking every turn, such dangerous driving, he knew Lando was gonna win so he took him out

Yeah cuz he didnt end max’s race, today Lando played it fair, max did 4 dangerous moves that all couldve gotten a penalty, and ended Landos race, he also did the exact same move on himself after they got the punctures and people also didnt get talked about

​@@parsamns6677must be blind because I definitely saw dangerous moves from both, Lando screaming up the inside and hard locking his tyres because he was going too fast wasn't also dangerous?

@@lexushughes1745 bro thats aggressive racing, same thing that max did in the sprint. But moving under breaking could lead to a massive crash

@@parsamns6677 totally, pushing an accelerating car onto the grass is absolutely clean

@@ThommyOcho max did the same? And like 4 more incidents? U fckin blind bro?