They did this with 4Runners too. I never understand ppl complaining that a truck based suv drives like a …..truck. Huh? It’s body on frame, it has a direct pickup sibling, yet they always seem so shocked that it’s ’truck like’ We know. We want that…
I mean, there are some trucks that drive really nicely and the prior GX was really plush. So yeah they get it, but you can do better especially when you’re paying 70k and spending 95% of your time on road.
I'm sure CR predicted reliability would be high for the 2024 Toyota Land Cruiser while so far I see 12 members in LC owners forum experiencing the vehicle going to limp mode with errors on dash like "Drive start control malfunction", :Hybrid system malfunction", "System malfunction visit your dealer". There are pics showing the errors on dash and vehicle towed. Toyota really need to rethink about reliability.
CR has changed and not for the better. They are biased towards vehicles and brands that get better MPG’s, have hybrids, smaller turbo engines, etc. in my opinion of course. 😂
You can find 12 drives on any vehicle with issues on any message board. Hell go on a Honda accord message board and there are issues. Not saying it will be great, but damn there are problems with ALL vehicles at times. My last 2014 Tacoma had 3 warranty repairs before 36k miles.
@@magnoliap5824They're not "biased" - all three of the things you mentioned only affect MPG and, possibly, the smoothness of the powertrain. The cars are rated in all categories, not just those. If you're too lazy to read their full road tests then that's your fault. None of you armchair experts seem to know what the term bias even means.
When CR rated the first Tesla at over 100% I lost all a lot of respect for them. Then reading cars don't qualify becouse of there own personal biased about not all models have safety features I lost all confidence in them. Now there no more than entertainment.
These people either don't know anything about car or are paid by Ford. They will try to debunk this. I just bought the LCLC, and I love the power and performance going from a 2012 4runner 4.0 SR5.
I had to shut this one off. The whole premise of this being a smaller cheaper Land Cruiser ignores the fact that this is simply a Prado in other markets. A contemporary Land Cruiser does exist, but isn’t offered here. So we get the Prado, with name change.
Agree, with the exception of you can get the 300 series just with a Lexus badge. I like that AHC is now optional but haven’t seen any with 18s, just need to wait and see what the reliability is with the twin turbo V6.
This is the correct comment. The whole setup for the video is poorly done. They are comparing this to the old full size Land Cruiser when this is actually the Land Cruiser Prado. This is basically the same vehicle as the new Lexus GX which does offer the 6 cylinder engine. If anybody is looking for the closest thing to the full size Land Cruiser, would need to look at the Lexus LX in the US market. And they still sell the full size Land Cruiser overseas which we do not get here
I know right. First of all I want something that works. My buddy has a brand new F150 and he has constant infotainment problems. Also a Broncos are only around 10 to 15k less than this. Some Bronco's are the same price. So she is ok with damaging a 50k Bronco but not ok with damaging a 70k land cruiser?
I'm disconcerted that anyone at CR would "like" a Range Rover/Land Rover given they are the least reliable cars in the whole market. What point in having a very expensive car that has many reliability issues and is also incredibly expensive to fix each time.
I mean a lot of people getting those Range Rovers lease them, and get rid of it before the big issues pop up. There’s also this saying that “luxury comes with a price” and that reliability and cost to repair is the price.
I've always driven small cars and think giant SUVs are dumb in suburbia. But where I live, everyone drives gigantic vehicles now, and there is literally zero enforcement of traffic laws. I saw two people run red lights right in front of cops today just on my commute home, and the cops did nothing. Soooo if I decide to join the vehicular arms race, I'll probably get a LC.
Toyota has three new vehicles on the same platform: 4Runner, LC and GX 550 in ascending price and luxury. I love my 2020 4Runner and may upgrade to the LC.
Why are they comparing this to the previous Land Cruiser sold in the US until the end of 2021? These are two different models. The one we had previously is still made and sold around the world. This “newer model” has been around for years and is called Land Cruiser Prado outside of the United States. You would think Consumer Reports would know this.
Toyota is just reusing the Land Cruiser name it is a completely different vehicle from their line up than the previous version. Globally they call this version the Land Cruiser Prado. The old Land Cruiser was the equivalent of the Lexus LX where as this version is comparable to the Lexus GX.
I really liked the style of the original Land Cruiser. My dad almost bought one in 1970, but at 3000 dollars plus, it just was too expensive. How I have hated how it has evolved into a monstrous gas guzzling tank, not worthy of backcountry trails. And it is still too expensive. Where is the Jeep-like vehicle that Toyota has left so far behind? Toyota with its resources could build a better Jeep than Jeep could. Why do we have this redesign?
But the Prado IS a Land Cruiser, albeit not THE Land Cruiser. The LC Prado has been marketed simply as LC in Europe for years. I think Toyota gets to decide over its own nomenclature.
LC a "pretty iconic model"? lmao. it's the #1 auto manufacturer's longest standing model of all time. it's a global platform unlike the bronco and jeep which pale in comparison.
Great vehicle, but this is NOT "the" land cruiser - its just "a" land cruiser....the rest of the world gets this as the Land Cruiser Prado and still has the full size vehicle as a Land Cruiser. They alao make muktiple other varients in some global markets...the Land Cruiser name ks more than one model - its an entire vehicle group in Toyota's portfolio...i wish they sold both the Prado and the global Land Cruiser here... They could have done a despec'd version of the full size one to being the price down...
This is basically an overpriced 4runner now, but wait... the 2025 4runner in top tier trim will cost ~ the same. it'll come down to styling and packaging for those that can afford a new vehicle in this price range. personally leaning towards the GX550, but i don't like climate integrated into the screen. oh well.
The more I see this, the more I want it. It looks awesome, not as huge as the prior one, and super modern. The emotional side of me wants to jump in on the new Land Cruiser or upcoming 4Runner immediately, while the pragmatic side is telling me to wait a year or two, or get a used GX/4Runner with the 4.0L V6 or 4.6L V8 to avoid these potential turbo issues.
Can a test be done while driving in rain. I heard because the 2024 LC front windshield is flat & vertical the visibility is very poor while driving in the rain. That could be a safety concern and might make me consider getting a 4runner instead.
I don't know! All you show us is Land cruiser going around a flat race track, it would appear. These things are primarily used on unsealed roads, bush tracks of all different conditions to extreme weather effected roads, tracks or cross country condition effected by rain or snow etc. Your version of the Land Cruiser is know as the Prado all be it Land Cruiser Prado in Australia. It has developed a reputation for reliability and flexibility with a decent range (138 to 150 litres of fuel) which is very useful for hauling caravans (trailers) over long or challenging remote conditions over distances of about 1000 kilometers. Hopefully we will get the diesel version which will help reward us with greater range possibilities than what the hybrid version will offer. Unfortunately the relocation of the spare tyre has lost us the sub fuel tank position. If you want a vehicle for city work then buy some more appropriate to your demands. My early Prado was very useful being able to deliver 7 children to various games or school commitments and then go exploring the outback on weekends or holidays. In short the new Prado/Land Cruiser will be a disappointment compared to its predecessors. Yes it has all the new helpful tricks but they are of little use if you run out of fuel as an example. The Land Cruiser 300 is a good work horse also and peoples comments have affirmed it, all be it an expensive acquisition. Thank you for your comments I await the "proper" test when you do it. I don't expect these vehicle to hand like a sports car so body roll vague steering aren't problems, reliability and range is key.
The most modern this and that?lol. The only reason these overpriced vehicles feel so modern is because Toyota waited over a decade to replace these models. 15 yrs for 4runner, 14yrs for Tundra, 13yrs for the LC.
I believe the decision to make the Honda Prologue with a choice of front or all-wheel drive was so that they could better differentiate the Acura ZDX that is built on the same architecture. Since rear-wheel drive is typically thought of as more sporty or more premium, when building two vehicles on the same basic electric vehicle architecture, having the Honda front-wheel drive and the Acura rear-wheel drive makes good business sense. They both use GM’s electric vehicle architecture, and the Blazer EV that also shares that architecture is available in front, rear, or all-wheel drive. So it seems that from the standpoint of build simplicity the architecture is flexible enough for them to have sent the power to any wheels they wanted and they chose to do it the way they did for a marketing reason.
Toyota is having significant reliability problems with their new engine and transmission designs (Tundra and Tacoma). Their truck and SUV engines are all being built at their Huntsville, Alabama plant. Be smart: Don't be first in line to buy these new models. Wait for the recalls to play out.
I sincerely doubt folks who purchase the heritage 2020’s land cruisers will “upgrade” to this model, given its flat depreciation curve, superior powertrain and size
Another pro FWD argument is that with such setup manufacturers are able to maximize interior space. No drive shaft going to the rear, means a flat floor that can pushed even closer to the ground.
One key thing when comparing the Land Cruiser against the Bronco: the Land Cruiser requires 91 Octane, while the Bronco needs only 87. So while the Land Cruiser gets a little bit better fuel economy, it costs slightly more to operate.
Who is this shows target audience? I feel like I’m watching a dad’s show from quite a few years ago, based on how they speak and the weird terminology being used 🤮 I’ve seen them in person, haven’t driven one. I do like the the look of them, except the rear tail lights. The price here in Canada is out of reach for most. I’m glad I bought my TRD Off Road 2022 4Runner, and will hold onto my modified rig for the next 8 yrs.
I love the looks of this and I think that's what is going to sell it. I'd like Toyota to put the same plugin hybrid system they have in the Rav4 Prime with maybe a bigger battery and a little more horsepower. Forget about pretending that you are going to take it off road and call it the Land Poser or the Faux Cruiser. My guess is the vast majority of people will buy this and drive it on city streets 100 % of the time and all the off road capability will go to waste, so why not make a version that allows people to drive electric most of the time? I mean in addition to the regular Land Cruiser of course.
I often see this claim that people don't take their SUVs off road. Seems like an assumption without evidence. I, for one, took my Grand Cherokee off road several times a year. And I'm sure I'll do the same with my new Land Cruiser.
Agree, a non-hybrid model would be a game changer. A base non-hybrid could come in at $30k with the cheap plastic interior offered in 1958, a mid non-hybrid could start at $37 and a premium could start at $43. Offer the round headlights on all non-hybrid models to reduce parts needing to be changed out on the manufacturing line and reduce the costs with larger bulk purchases. Plus, they just look better than the 3 LED lights on the LC trim. I'd purchase that premium non-hybrid all day long. Of course, knowing Toyota they would make it standard 2wd with just a rear locker and no center locker or sway bar disconnect. Oh wait they are trying that with the 4Runner, which doesn't look as good. Damn it Toyota, why do you make this a love hate relationship?!?
It’s misleading and inaccurate to price anchor to the previous Land Cruiser. It was a different vehicle, that was much larger, more luxurious, and was priced out of the market. A better comparison to the previous Land Cruiser might be the Lexus LX. The current LC should be 10-15 cheaper especially with the USD-JPY exchange rate since this way released into the US market.
The only reason it's cheaper is its a PRADO. Toyota out here passing off Discoverys as Ranges. I respect the utilitarian models more than the ultra luxe but cloth seats for 60K?
"The impetus was to make money for CR" - the actual truth about Consumer Reports licensing their recommendations. As someone who grew up reading Consumer Reports and watching David Horowitz's Fight Back! all I can say is "Shame on you."
I too assumed the GX was the better deal, until I drove a Land Cruiser. After doing so, I called up the Lexus dealer and had them return my deposit. I have a Land Cruiser in my garage now.
