@@kalmmonke5037 Nothing makes any electric power steering feel more like hydraulic, literally in any car i have driven. most electric racks have a really weird artificial weight in sport mode and normal is usually the best
@@kalmmonke5037 no, the steering feedback is identical in both modes (very numb EPS) but the heavier weighting in sport mode is great for high speed stability and feels less loose/vague when cornering
@@kalmmonke5037 I can only remember one exception of a manufacturer that claimed that its car reduced electric steering assistance in sport mode and that was Abarth with the 500/595, and even then I've heard the steering is still relatively light (I haven't driven one so I can't tell properly). Usually it's what the other comments said, just increased weight but no feedback.
@@MyRealNamery driving a mini cooper s r56 2007 to 2011. They have hydraulic/electric hybrid steering, in sport mode it gets more stiff and far more sensitive to any bumps on the road, but the throttle response is great and the turbo is pretty much always on. One of the best handling cars in the past 2 decades easily. The modern gen 3 minis handle like hot garbage in comparison
It's so good to see you testing a car that people will be able to buy if Toyota produces it in sufficient numbers. I thought the same about the GR86. Unfortunately decided they wouldn't deliver on their original goal so I ended up not buying it yet. However, I'm happy to see you testing a car that I will see on the roads on a regular basis. Great work, as usual.
I'm pretty sure it was savagegeese saying Toyota can only put out 10,000 of these per year. Which is dismal numbers compared to how many people will want this.
@@richardnavratil9661Insane. That is why Toyota’s claims that making hybrids instead of BEVs is somehow better, due to supposedly being able to make more hybrids with less batteries, is very funny. Tesla sells more BEVs than Toyota sells hybrids and PHEVs *combined* in the US. Yet Toyota has been selling hybrids like the Prius for decades. How did they let that happen? The reality is that Toyota can’t make hybrids as profitably as Tesla can make BEVs. So Toyota tries to greenwash their way into still being viewed as the most fuel efficient car maker, but they aren’t anymore. Toyota is looking to be the next Nokia. They probably won’t go bankrupt, but they will grow more and more irrelevant every year.
@@waynelewis9110 I understand your point. Quick search suggests about 1.3M cars for Tesla in 2022, while Toyota's electrified was at about 450k. I don't know if that excludes Lexus, but would guess that'd get them up to about 650k at most anyway. So I get your point from that view. But to say Toyota will go into obscurity or grow more irrelevant like Nokia is, in my opinion, a stretch. Toyota's lineup is quite extensive, if you really think about it. Vast majority of their vehicles do offer some sort of hybridization. The fact they're struggling to scale it out is one thing. And I am not an electric car hater. But a California/East coast approach is going to be vastly different to something like deep Midwest, where hybrid or plug-in makes way more sense than pure electric. Additionally, if rules are pushed, I reckon many people will mass adopt hybrids and plug-in HEVs faster than / instead of pure BEVs.
@@richardnavratil9661 Many people believed that the likes of Nokia couldn’t be displaced, just as you and others believed that Toyota can’t. Battery technology is advancing fairly quickly. Challenges are being overcame with every improvement. Ultimately, we will see how this all plays out. But my bet is that Toyota will be a smaller company than they are today come 2030.
@@waynelewis9110 Sure it is. But as far as I know, Toyota is one of the first looking to do a mainstream solid state battery vehicle. Only time will tell, but I don't believe that will happen.
This actually bodes well for the next generation of sporty Toyotas. The fact they can make a hybrid which drives well with some sense of driver feedback and involvement is a huge win. Considering the next gen GR86/Supra will be hybrid…
and what's weird if they put bigger electric motor in this (it would cost them/us under 1000$, probably closer to 500$) it would wreck that yellow gt3 in the straight line. Unfortunately all companies save that for more expensive models while making those is really cheap.
@@TimEndzeit this one is like 10% size or rimac nevera. if it had 10% of the power of that car it would make Prius close to 400hp. that would be pretty close to that Porsche
Great (honest) video! A giant leap for Toyota to be able to impress genuine enthusiasts with a Prius. I’ve bought 3 Corolla Hybrids for my business since late 2019, and my fourth arrives this week. I need the rear seat space (and lower cost), so this Prius is out. But the Corollas have been excellent cars; the 2020 model already has 110K trouble-free miles.
@@makatron I believe the software has programming to run the engine after x number of KM if it has not been run, but best practice would be to not keep a tank of gas longer than 6 months or so. Just force HV from time to time to burn some if needed. Will still save a ton of gas. 🙂
Love how you guys rate cars against what they’re “supposed” to be. And compare them to like vehicles. But dealers are killing new car sales with above sticker markups.
Dealers are not to blame for dealermarkups. It’s a supply issue. If you have a product that you only have one of but 10 people want to buy, how do you decide who gets it? Gameshow? Essay? Makes more sense just to see who wants it the most.
@@Dragonvale105 Limited supply doesn't force dealers to add markups, they just do it because they can. The dealers are the ones that fault here, as they're taking advantage of the limited supply.
@@Dragonvale105 sure, if it's a zero sum game. but don't expect any loyalty -- in a world where servicing a vehicle has to happen a lot less, no one is going to cry when these predatory dealers go bust en masse. they are protected by lobbyists and anti-competitive laws that make it almost impossible to sell direct to consumers in most states. i understand making a profit margin (and most places do on financing and service) -- but $10,000 markups for an econobox commuter car is not reasonable unless you are the most slavish defender of naked, unchecked greed.
And the hatch opening. I had an old 90 integra that I used to work out of. I could fit all my tools + a 6’ ladder all because of the hatch as opposed to a trunk. Every car that’s not a wagon, should be a hatch. Hah
This is what all the car manufacturers should be doing instead of pure ev. It makes WAY more sense. Great mpg’s and actually good for the environment(sort of).
Absolutely. And a Prius is not a small or impractical vehicle; they seat four full sized adults easily and in comfort, they have big hatch areas with and without the seats folded. They're competitive with compact SUVs in many ways that meet most people's needs, and yeah sip 1/5th as much fuel...sounds awesome! For your wallet as you drive by gas stations and for the environment. Big picture I still advocate for getting trains moving and fixing north american bus systems and transit systems, making our world more walkable in a way that isn't bland corporate and dystopian, look at old cities that are nice to live in, etc...but if we're going to be in cars, hybrids and PHEVs are def the mainstream solution.
@@Trendyflute There's still a problem with rear headroom. The middle seat is also really horrible and the boot space is far from class-leading. You're right though, car dependency needs to be addressed.
With those solar panels I could literally drive it to and from school without using any gas whatsoever 3 times a day. It's mental how cool this car is, and it's a Prius!!!
@@thevinceberrybecause its complex man. Fuel economies gk up people suck on tbr gas a lil less prices might trend down and you drive lots usa is huge we onky live once shortly we want to be able to drive all over a ton without worrying about some specialized part malfunctioning
@@jerryjeromehawkins1712 I live in Florida so the sun is nearly always out. Also solar panel tech has gotten really really good the past 2 years so it's def possible. It wouldn't be infinite energy but to drive to school and back I would never have to use the gas power.
agreed. I do wish they made more and cheaper 'Prime' cars, like a Yaris. Manufacturers should be offering PHEV versions of as many cars as they possibly can since that would be the quickest way to get people to kill their fossil fuel needs.
@@Progan666 not sure I believe that; that's how they're designed to operate. People who buy them are at least minimally aware of how best to use their car.
I see no purpose in the normal Prius Hybrid as the Corolla and Camry Hybrids are similarly efficient with less cost and more practicality. However, the Prius Prime adds a larger battery with this year's model and gives a *very* usable 40 miles of electric-only range. Millions of people could commute without using the gas engine, yet it's still available for road trips and to avoid most drivers' unreasonable degree of range anxiety. The Prime is expensive and, in fact, you can get a low-end new or decent used EV for the money, *but* the Prime doesn't need a DC fast charge network to achieve high efficiency. If an EV is too big a risk for many buyers, then the 2023 Prius Prime is an excellent compromise that operates as a BEV for local trips.
It's great to see a car finally better than the first gen Chevy Volt (MY2011). Although this is slightly behind the second gen Chevy Volt before it was discontinued in 2019.
It still puts too much of an emphasis on ICE performance for my taste, especially when compared to the Volt. At 11 seconds 0-60 in EV mode, the Prius Prime is 2.5 seconds slower to 60 than the 8.5 second 0-60 of the first gen Volt in its EV mode.
Why is the Prius suddenly cool? It used to be that ugly and boring, yet efficient brick, that only people with zero self esteem would buy. And somehow now it’s THIS!? Now I want one.
@@zXPeterz14 would be weird if not with the switched steering wheel 😂 but im sure being a smaller isolated market surely doesnt help - in this case i wonder whether the prius was actually released in any left hand countries outside of japan?
James. Get Thomas to drag race a Kia Rio a Mitsubishi Mirage and a Nissan Versa. The $20.000 Battle Royale. Crack 9 second's, win a prize. Draw straw's for the Mirage.
I bought the Toyota Corolla self charging hybrid hatchback in the UK 🇬🇧 and it’s honestly great value for money, practical, cheap to insure and run. Would highly recommend it as a daily driver.
For a mass-market volume brand, Toyota's kinda killing it these days. 20 years ago their attempts at design was to add awkwardness to blandness. Now they're making really lovely things, and you know the reliability's there, the practicality's there, the economy and efficiency are there. Heck they're even doing one of the best jobs at offering interesting paint color choices! More driving dynamics are always appreciated but they do seem to be at a high point in terms of chassis tuning.
Prius Prime - cool.. The fact that there's a GT3RS review coming up - YESSSSSS. Can't wait to see how it does on your track and your opinions on it.. not that it matters, my local dealership literally has had 1 allocation since its launch and I believe it went to the 918 VIP client. These cars are so difficult to obtain, it hurts
It is such a good car! Honestly, the issue is going to be production numbers. If I recall correctly, Rav4 Prime was only coming out of Japan, and this likely will be the same story. By the time *some* dealers get ahold of you, you'll be paying out the nose. I believe it was Savagegeese saying they only can make up to 10,000 units a year? With that being said, GOOD LUCK. It's a great desirable car. Toyota has a winner. Production will be their limit.
I've been shopping for one and can't find one anywhere near MSRP. Also there are no XSE Premium at all, I don't know if they're even making them at this point.
Some things you want coming out of japan but only if you can keep the salt away as it crosses the ocean worldwide. Some things it makes sense to plan in one place snd do in another etc m.
Ever since your Corolla Hybrid review, I have waffled on buying one. It is a car. I would have to give up my manual swapped S6 but would give me time for the Porsche. Since I daily my Audi, it gets the work done to it. My Porsche has been off the road for almost a year because I haven't finished the stereo install. I think if Toyota would make it in the hatch, I would have one or one on order.
I just bought a 2023 Camry Se. It has a 60 liter fuel tank (I'm in Ontario, Canada). Last tank of gas I got 920.7 km on it and the information on the screen told me I had 43 km of driving range left with 4 liters of gas left. Did I mention my Camry isn't a hybrid? Just the 2.5 engine with an 8 speed transmission. Paid just over $38000 for it taxes in.
In Quebec the Prime model gets a 7500$ incentive which make even a better choice over the standard Prius. The Prime is so popular here, almost all dealers have a 1-year waiting list.
Financing this exact car in Canada you're looking at almost $900/month over 5 years. If you step up to the premium it's almost $1000/month, and that is after government incentives. Car companies are in for a reality check soon enough.
Very impressive! For those that don't want the range limit/charge time/charging station location hassle of a full electric, this is just great. 130mpg is insanely good!
There is a huge difference in power from the Corolla h vs the Prius, good that Toyota has options for every taste and budget, I would go for this one for sure. Light, casual, dinner with friends like review, thank you guys.
GM really dropped the ball on the Volt, which this Prime is. Except my 2017 Volt gets 50-55 all electric range with excellent torque. The Volt was not well marketed, not understood and subsequently did not sell well. Too bad because imo the Volt is fantastic.
GM dropped the ball on the EV1, Volt, spark EV, and Bolt EV...I sense a pattern going on here. If only GM realized the potential of their EV program back in its EV1 days, Tesla wouldn't exist. Their engineering team never gave up on the idea of an EV, but their marketing team did. That's where Tesla came in and flipped them as well as the auto industry over their heads.
So, they made a Chevy Volt from 2011 that has less range than the 2nd gen Volt from 2016. It's more expensive, and a hair slower than a Chevy Bolt EV, and costs WAAAAY more while sporting a much more complex drivetrain. This all makes me sad because the Prius Prime seems really good. It's just too expensive and ultimately, behind the curve. But man, I never thought I'd say, "wow, that Prius looks sexy!",
If you have a full charge and put it in PWR mode and EV AUTO, it uses the EV as support for the engine at higher speeds and above 60mph it genuinely feels nice and quick
The 1.8L/100km consumption is a big #. Because you can have it only on the first 100km, starting with full battery, driving fully electric the whole 64km of range and the rest of 37 with hybrid. After that the consumption will increase to over 5L/100km. But if you use the car in hybrid mode from the start you will still achieve a sub 4L/100km, which is damn impressive.
I used to have a 2005 Prius and hated it as an enthusiast but loved it as a daily "I don't care if it gets scratched" do everything car. Now I like it both ways. However the elephant in the room is a Tesla 3 Standard Range which you can get in less than 1 month and costs less after incentives, and barely more without.
Yea but straight EVs can be a huge pain in the ass, especially if you're living somewhere where it gets pretty cold for half the year, not to mention the annoyance of trying to do long distance trips having to plan out charging stations. Plus you have Teslas shit build quality. To me the Prius is a no brainer..... if you're not getting marked up like crazy when buying
@@TBIRD0625Exactly. There’s still a big difference between committing to a full EV car and a plug in hybrid vehicle. You can’t just choose one over the other and call it a day, lot of different factors to consider that may be unique to you and your living location.
@@TBIRD0625ily driving in winter in a Tesla shouldnt be a problem. Standard range model 3 gets 270 miles, you'll still get over 200 miles in the winter, more than enough for your daily driving + Tesla's legendary heat pump system and its ability to pre cool/pre heat interior as well as battery/motors while charging so you get optimum range even in sub zero weather is awesome. I've been daily driving a model 3 performance up in Canada and the range is great. Even road tripping is awesome with Tesla's supercharging network, the car pretty much plans the route for you. Teslas are pretty much the only EVs that I'd feel confident road tripping as this stage. Their liveability is pretty top notch. While quality is good, I do have to admit that fit n finish is a mixed bag. Mines good, but I had a buddy who had his with paint issues that the service center fixed (for free of course) If you're going EV, Tesla is probably your best bet, just make sure you got a home charger where you can plug the car in once you come home.
@@TBIRD0625Teslas have some of the best cold weather efficiency of any EV and far more efficient than a plug-in hybrid would be. There is no having to "plan out charging stations." The built-in software automatically routes you to chargers along the way and includes information like what your charge will be when you get there and how long you'll be charging there before continuing on your journey. No user input is required apart from entering a destination like you would on any navigation system. As far as quality is concerned, you're getting a lot more complexity (and with it a lot more things to break) with a PHEV than with an EV.
The Prius Prime isnt that expensive when you factor in the EV rebate. In Canada it qualifies for a $5000 federal rebate. My province, New Brunswick, offers an additional $5000 rebate.
I drive an e90 328, and I would always say "at least it's faster tham a prius!" Because I get 20 mpg. Now, I have to sell it because not only is it slower than a prius to 60 but that's with bmw maintenance bills and every other downside.
For a final swing before law makers end the ICE. Toyota sure is doing a great job. Enthusiast hot hatch backs, manual transmission, sports cars, and they even made the Prius cool.
@@elvistwattyI am talking about how this manufacturer has decided not let the manual go already. Multiple fun models while still managing to make a range of enjoyable eco friendly vehicles. It's hard to make such a wide range of vehicles with modern restrictions and it all be good.
With a 60km EV range means the vast majority of people won't use petrol in a regular day, I'd go months without using the engine and just charge overnight.
Reviewing a Prius after reviewing a GT3RS makes me think it would be funny to have a car on hand as a palette cleanser or a normalizer. I would suggest another Prius.
when you get the corolla hybrids, make a video on modifying them for mpg like areodyynamics mods like a transarent plastic surve for the front end to be more like prius windhsueld , pizza oven plate wheel covers , taped carboard etc, a speedtail, to make it get closer to prius mpg . and probably opt for fwd not awd . theres youtuebr caled think lflight that did tuff to his subaru wagon .
I recently drove a corolla hybrid, and it drove terrible. The CVT fellt really unresponsive, you hit the gas, the engine slowly starts reving and after 1sec it reaches its full power. Also the steering had no feedback and variable ratio, wich is trash. In the city it was ok, but I still don't get how people can drive a CVT.
Toyotas will last you decades, took our 9th gen 2006 toyota corolla 2.0 diesel to Khunjerab Pass in Northern Pakistan... That's 4693 meters / 15,000 feet above sea level... for maintenance we change the oil frequently and interchanged air filters for ease of breathing... You love a Toyota and it will love you back. Note: it has the original timing belt and fan belt lol.
This is what conservation should have gone towards. PHEVs are much better than EV only currently. Problem is, the Rav4 at 302hp and AWD is better. It's bigger, so they can fit a bigger battery/engine. If the Rav4 Prime had a Lithuoun Ion instead of a Nickel Hydride, it would even be better.
@tomasssologubs5392 It is still being left as is. As if any of you knew how to spell Nickel "Hydride", let alone a mistyped word. You can barely type English. If you cherry pick one word, you are a typical undereducated human animal. A correction is not required. The idea was communicated.
Such a great review, I thoroughly enjoyed this video! I used to laugh at the idea of people owning a prius! Now that Toyota's hit the bulls Eye with this car, I actually want one.!
what i cant understand is why isnt the new Prius prime, or the normal prius in this matter, coming to UK ? they make 1 GOOD LOOKING PRIUS and they wont bring it to the UK....
Probably a too small market. Out of curiosity, how many right hand driving markets outside of Japan are getting the Prius? Leaving the EU surely did not help either.
@@TimEndzeitexactly. Look at what happened with the Toyota crown. Japan got like 5 cars and the entire rest of the world got 1 trash overpriced sedan thing.
Makes me so sad that the Volt is dead, even 6 years ago it still had more EV range than the new Prime, can't imagine what it woildve been if GM kept improving it.
I believe the standard range Tesla model 3 gets up to 142 mpge. Can't get more efficient than that (as far as on sale cars go). Tesla's efficiency is top tier. It's also worth noting that this is 130 mpge in EV only mode, once the gas engine kicks in that efficiency drops to 52 mpge
As far as I can tell, they are ignoring the energy input to the battery when reporting the MPG of the gas engine - it's basically a trick. It's 4.8L/100km for the gas engine alone, and 18kWh to 21kWh / 100km for the EV side alone. Tesla is more efficient, especially the newer 14kWh/100km SR Model 3.
The Prime has around 100 less horsepower from its electric motors when compared to the Model 3 RWD. I think this shows how impressive Tesla's efficiency really is- that they're able to get as much power out of their motors as they do while being as efficient as economy minded vehicles like the Prius.
@@directorjustin the Prius has more than 100 hp less, the front motor of the Prius only produces 90-111 hp (the back only produces 40 hp) while the base motor of the model 3 produces 270 hp...all while being more efficient and faster. The model 3 may not look that good, but it's engineering is brilliant.
Imagine if Toyota took the 1.3T engine, transmission and differential(s) out of the GR Corolla and moved them in here. Beef up the batteries a bit and the electric motor. GR Does their suspension work. Would have possibly the most fun practical daily driver rocket that ever existed.
I totally agree that the better car is the Corolla Hybrid AWD and I'm not just saying it because I happen to own one .... I took a long hard look at both vehicles and after owning mine for the last 6 months I'm 100% sure I made the right choice ..... My first tank which half of it was in the winter got 57 mpg then my next tank completely in the summer got 61+.
@@1uckedout The reason I know I made the right choice isn't MPG it's because Toyota in their infinite wisdom with the Prime's new slanted windshield took major headroom out of it and since I'm over 6 ft tall I couldn't buy that vehicle if I wanted too.
