Nope, needs shaft drive and a proper sized fuel tank. Also I’d love to do without the electronic suspension nav etc… I test drove all these mid and large ADVs and and saved tons of money by buying a super tenere. Everything I like about the tiger the Super tenere did the same.
I own a 2016 Yamaha FJ 09. A few months ago I tested a 2023 Tiger Rally Pro to see if it was an upgrade option. I'm aware that the Tiger GT Pro was the proper to compare with my FJ 09, yet I picked the Rally because of the more suspension run and hence, more comfort. After I tested it, yes, the suspension was better, the motor is smooth, yet the sitting position for a tall person like me was not very good (I bent my knees a lot, at least more than with the FJ 09). I felt as well a lot of heath coming out to my legs from motor on city commute. And, the motor experience in the FJ 09 was better for me, so I decided on the end to stay with my FJ 09. I'd need to test the 2024 Rally Pro to see if I change my opinion, specially because of the additional foot peg position for on road that could improve the ergonomics for me. In the end, if it'd convince me, would be for my highway trips, not for off road. For off road I would not buy this bike as it's too heavy, I rather use a small one like the Honda XRE 300 sold in Latin America... is lightweight, comfortable and very driveable in bad roads.
I rode a ‘24 Rally in Daytona. I loved it except the extreme heat on my knees from the radiators. It has all the great features I would want. How did you feel about the heat?
Wife’s sense of humor is a great contrast to your serious reviews. As always the best videos on motorcycle evaluation. Bought my Triumph 1200 Rally Pro because of your review, hope Triumph sees and knows that!
@waltermitty7452 the gs is a better bike but the tiger is much lighter and more cost effective so it depends on your preference but I would say the gs is the best option
As one of those in a metric country, I really appreciate the level of effort and care put to help us to transtlating the data you share. An extra thank you for that, that could get lost in the overall appareciation for your content, that is a joy to watch and deserves a lot of praise. I am thinking about getting a new bike and this one and the T7 world raid are the contenders. Finding this in one of my favourite channels has been a great surprise. Thanks!
I ride primarily dirt bikes nowadays- it's absolutely wild watching you hit 30mph with a small margin of error in dirt/sand on a 500lb bike, kudos dude.
@@valaquenta07 I picked up my 2024 GT Pro 3 weeks ago. In my case it was an easy choice: 1) I never go off road or have any intention to, with the exception of the mildest of fire lanes and 2) I often switch between 1 up and 2 up riding, and being able to switch the preload electronically on the fly was a no brainer. Also, I fell in love with it in red/black.
Agreed, even though the ADV market got a lot more competitive over the last 2 years, I still haven't found any bike that I would prefer over my Tuareg :)
Well.. after 14.000km the only things that broke were non-essential (could keep riding) and got replaced within a couple of weeks, so I don't see the issue there. I live basically around the corner from Italy though and here we have just as many (or more) Aprilia dealers as Honda or Yamaha, so I realize that things are different in the US or AUS
Love the review, as usual. It's so often overlooked how important ON-ROAD capability is for adventure bikes. Here in Australia we have HUGE distances on road before the adventure starts, and as an owner of the 2020-23 Tiger 900 RP the on-road performance is amazing. Cruising for hours in comfort, then the same bike can hit the fire trails. Crazy!
Three months late, but... I just got back from an event where I got to demo a bunch of different bikes. Going into it, I was pretty sold on the Tenere 700, as its a very me bike (basic, reliable, durable, fairly cheap) and I liked it, but... Triumph was also demoing, and good lord I was blown away. It was fantastic, as well as the guided ride was officially the hooligan demo ride vs the other manufacturers. I think triumph must have paid off the local police to ignore the back road schenanigans that happened. It was such an experience that I'm only having a minor emotional crisis over the extra 6k compared to the yamaha. My old bike can't sell fast enough.
I am between this bike, Bmw900gsa and the Honda Africa Twin Adventure with DCT..........just waiting on the Honda to be released to pull the trigger on one. Great review and really helped fill in some blanks as I make the call and make the purchase. Thanks again as usual
The Tiger 900 is a fantastic bike. Comes loaded. No question! I tested the 2024 model but I bought the Tiger 1200 Rally Pro three weeks ago. I went for a new 2023 Tiger 1200 because it completely convinced me and I got it for a stunning price (cheaper than the 900). On top I just cannot understand why the 900 comes with a 17 inch rear wheel. The 1200 has blown me away. What a bloody fantastic bike! 21inch front and shaft drive. Killer combination. And it does not feel heavier than the 900. Headlights, suspension, riding position (especially standing) and position/width of handlebars are also better on the 1200 compared to the 900. The 1200 feels more stable than the 900 (especially offroad) and you do not have to adjust anything manually before offroading.
Ian it would be nice e to hear your comparison of the 2023 and 2024 model year 1200 Rally Pro vs new 2024 model year 900 Rally Pro. Lots of earlier reviews gave the weight disadvantages of the larger bikes minimal plus sides. The linked braking still isn’t on the 1200 even in the newest 2024 model year which is unfortunate. Wonder if that can be added with software updates in the same way that the lowering feature has now been included by holding the HOME button down. Surprised that the lowering feature isn’t on the 900 too. All manufacturers just just use Apple Car Play for linking the phone to the dash for navigation etc. I gave up on the Triumph system and even when it’s properly linked the dash navigation leaves lots to be desired.
For real. Seems like it’s done by a computer graphics designer rather than a user interface designer. Manages to be bit cluttered and not showing much information at the same time.
I do think that the Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro and even their 1200 Triumph Tiger looks, are the best looking of any adventure bike to date in my opinion. Awesome review Ian, on that super good looking 2024 Triumph Tiger Rally Pro with the best looking color scheme you picked.
Superb review Ian. No other tester goes to the depths you do . The most comprehensive reviews online by far . Wasn’t convinced by the drop test on this one 😀. I can’t say I blame you lol. Health to enjoy .
I've had my 2023 Tiger Rally Pro for a year and still love riding it. The first few months I had a few slow-speed falls. 6 in the dirt/sand and 2 on the road. The little tank always started and always got me home after each crash. At 5' 7" my feet barely touch the ground. I'm learning how to balance the bike at low speeds, look farther ahead, and become one with the bike. This is a very well-manufactured and thought-out motorcycle.
Ian, this is the standard for reviews of all these bikes bar none! I’ve owned Triumph before and after the gs I own now, I will be purchasing the 2024 or 2025 Tiger GT Pro as I ride maybe 80/20 on road and I just love the quality and the features of Triumph bikes. I have Michelin Anakee Adv. tires now and I will put them on the GT as well for when I do go soft off roading. At 66, I’m not boulder jumping. Thanks for all your efforts! Again, your reviews are the standards other reviewers need to reach for.
Great review Ian i am in the uk and have had the 2021 rally pro 900 now put 20,000 miles on it heading to the Pyrenees in 3 weeks great for touring no reel problem with vibration for me even as motorway speeds keep up the great vids 👍
What an awesome review! My rule is that I don’t own a bike only to remain captive in the manufacturer’s Iron grasp for the rest of my life… I would much rather sweat over the air filter removal on a bike like the TransAlp than have to pay Triumph to push that service reset button 😮 Thanks Ian for pointing everything out.
@@levigato125 I wasn’t charged a service fee in top of the price or tired and install. They didn’t have to do that. Does that jive more with your feelings?
No I would not buy another Tiger, from a previous owner. Here's the reasons why. 1) That front rake. You mentioned it, I'll elaborate on it. It can be controlled, but takes a lot more effort. That's energy that a 50+ year old needs to apply somewhere else. On the dirt, you will go down. It does make for a fantastic street bike though. 2) Lack of a dealership network for service beyond my expertise. Not a huge issue, but an issue. 3) Lack of access to oe and aftermarket parts/accessories. The limited amount of dealers there are, carry no parts. They always have to order them, which leads to long down times. But on a positive response. It makes for fantastic street bike/canyon carver.
Bought this bike 2 months ago. Absolutely love it. Traded in a Yamaha Tracer 9GT and a Honda CRF250 to have one bike. It does road and offroad very well. It's a meld of both my previous bikes.
@@BigRockMotofor those of us thinking about the 900 GT Pro for more road use, could you compare the new 900 Tiger engine with more power to the Yamaha 900 engine in your MT-09 (and tracer) in your next Q&A video? I had 20' 900 GT Pro and traded that for a 22' 1200 GT Explorer and am thinking about going back to a smaller lighter touring bike. I love everything about the 1200 except the weight lol.
Excellent review! In my opinion, this is one of your best reviews ever. Very informative, and the 1:14 was all good! Being a person that likes to know all the details, I can't think of anything I wanted to know that you did not cover. I don't believe I have ever been able to say that about any other review I have watched by anyone. Great job Ian!
The more you ride the 900 RP, the more it just makes sense as an everything bike. The suspension adjustments recommended are absolutely a game changer. I always leave it in off road config and its honestly quite fine for street. Very forgiving first ADV bike as well as a bike you can wring out even if experienced. My favorite tire is Bridgestone Ax-41. On to my third set.
I sat on one of these at my local Triumph dealer in Newcastle in the north east of England. The ergonomics felt amazing for me and I'm 6'1'' and it felt very familiar. Great review as always, Ian!
Thanks for your review. I became a fan of the ADV / Standard format on a VStrom, then moved to an Africa Twin, but there was always something lacking with both of those. The Tiger 900 fits me perfectly with the seat in the low position. I found one on sale, an Aragon Edition, and made the purchase. For me the Tiger is replacing a Goldwing that I just lost interest in. I’m not a big off road rider so the cast wheels work for me now. The tech is at a perfect level on this bike.
You're standing out with this review. Its an owner review when most others are just a quick ride review. You got a subscriber out of me with this video. Thank you so much for this video.
Recently bought a Tiger 1200 GT Explorer & yes the amount of features that come standard is very impressive. Look into tune ECU to reset the 600mi service notice. You need an Android Tablet & a blue tooth OBD Link to plug into the bike. You can adjust the throttle valve openings in all the different ride modes & unlock the bikes potential. I did this with my 1200 & its a totally different bike. They are pretty restricted from the factory
I think this is the best controls on any bike, all the important things are direct adjustment buttons, backlit, and very easy to navigate. Love Triumph
I love my 2022 Tiger 900 Rally. A awesome riding bike, solid on the road, dirt roads and the limited off road I've ridden. Thanks for the info on the rake. I bought mine for limited off road riding, and have my previous bike still a Suzuki DR650 Dualsport for true off road riding. Still the tiger is pretty solid on everything I have ridden it on so far. I just don't ask it to be what its not, a single track go anywhere do everything bike. On my 6k mile National Park tour, it was great, got me to every off road camping spot just fine, on our more local rides, also just fine. It's very tire dependent so plan on some 90/10's and about 8k miles. I just picked up a set of the stock road tires it came with for my tours to save the 90/10's for the more off road trips. Also did a aftermarket flash and it rides so much better.
@@brianErickson-bx9hp Tune ECU the Android phone version and DNK Tuneworks. I bought the OBD2 bluetooth module as it lets me carry it for checking codes.
I own a 23 800DE Adventure. I'm very excited to see how you have mod it. My mods so far: -Two 12v charging ports, one under the seat and one on the dash. -Auxiliary fuse box under the seat. -Oxford Adventure heated grips -Puig tall windscreen and Puig windscreen visor -Ram 8" Tablet mount on the accessory bar and repurposed a Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 LTE, installed the Headunit reloaded app and now I can run Android Auto on the tablet with full GPS nav, music control and all apps that work on Android Auto. -Veridian Electronic Cruise control should be here around Aug 1. I still would like to do some Cyclops lighting and possibly add Mosko Moto Reckless 80 bags. After 9 months with this bike, I have ZERO regrets. I test rode everything in the class before I made a decision. The value of the 800DE for the money just cannot be beaten.
I’ve been waiting for your review on this bike for months, as I trust your evaluations above any others for real-time evals. This is one sexy bike as I love so many things about it. I’ve wanted one for the stable for a while. But after your thoughts the suspension geometry this kinda chilled me. Triumph really builds a fantastic machine, but last week I flipped my mindset to the Husqvarna Norden 901 which now very happily lives in my stable. Truly hard to pick a 100% winner in the middle weight adventure class, as they’re all so nice. As this Triumph is a Beauty…
Great review as always! I am really interested to see how you will compare the new 900GS to this updated Tiger, once you get an opportunity to do a deep dive test on the GS.
My Tiger 800 XCA stays in the garage until they fix that rake angle. It's just the best "all-rounder" middleweight for me. Thanks for the extensive review.
I was ready to buy this bike until I found out I would have to take it back to the dealership to turn off the Service Light...I could overlook the quirks if I wasn't forced to drive an hour to the dealership just to turn off a Service Light. Thanks for the review Ian
Thank you Ian for an awesome, unbiased and thorough review. I am actually looking at the Rally Pro to replace my Norden (which I totally loved). My off roading is not what it used to be and a bike that is a little more street bias than the Norden is right up my alley and I love the triple engine and all the tech on the RP. Your reviews are awesome and I enjoy watching them, thank you for your dedication to the adventure world. Cheers!
Ian your focus on meaningful details and adjustments is always awesome. Reinforcing the directions for offroad setup from the manual can save folks a lot of downs. Range is really a factor for me. Having a tank a little over 5 gallons for potential 250 mile range is huge. On the flip side the motor doesn’t deliver the kind of low-end trail grunt that is invaluable on my old Boxer GS.
I’ve been trying to decide between the new Africa Twin and this bike. Triumph managed discourage me with three things on this bike. The rake angle, having to have the service light turned off by the dealer and having to use high octane fuel are the things that make me lean toward the AT!
Great review, as usual! I am in the marked for this type of bike, and your videos are so helpful and also a joy to just watch - thank you for your solid work man! All the best to you 🙂
Thank you for review. Worth to add that not only rake impacts steering, but also a lack of wheel axis offset. Everyone of mentioned competitors have some of axis offset, but tiger has none. Axis offset adds to stability more than just bumping up the rake. Most of axis offset has Tenere 700, probably that is the reason, why it handles like a harley on low speeds.
Still the best all around adventure for do everything IMO. Iv'e owned a lot like you and still my 2022 900 RP was my favorite. I'm sure this is that much better. If I can only have one bike to tour the world this would be it.
Thank you. Excellent review. How would you score the Norden 901 Expedition that also includes a lot of standard features, compared to the Tiger 900? The Norden’s MSRP is $16499.
My 955i had the buzz. I changed my bar end weights out for some Ni-Alum-Bronze weights I made. Worked just as well, but it was definitely a more weighty fix.
Great work! Thanks for detailed and honest review. I already made my decision on this bike before your review but I’m glad you solidify my view, even with the bike shortcomings.
Great review. Thank you very much.I have the KTM 1290 SAS and I love it, but the new Tiger 900 is a phenomenal adventure motorcycle. For me it is the best adventure motorcycle that you can buy for this money, it has less technology and less power than my ktm, but, for 7,000 euros less, I can live without it.
The way to go with these modern adv is to get 4-6years old one in good shape. That's the best deal. It's still lot of money for bike but for 10k ull have modern machine so it's good compromise. Still, do I think adv bikes got that much better in last 15-20years? Not really. It's mostly electronics. Suspensions and weight is still poor and cheap as it was 15 years ago
Great review and comparison. Was cross shopping these exact bikes Nov 2023. Runnout sale on the DDX placed it equal cost to the Tuareg 660 once minimal protection (Barkbusters, skid plate, engine and radiator guards) were added to both bikes. Made it a simple decision, and only 9% dearer than the T7 (in Australia). Thanks
It has the same sound as the KOVE MOTO 800X pro except that the KOVE is half the price (in the EU) of the 900 Rally pro. A friend has already driven more than 10,000 km on his KOVE 800X Pro with no problems, and when he changed the oil, he did not have any metal particles in the oil, which surprised us all.
Another great video. Watching this makes me feel even better about my Transalp purchase. I still think the Triumph is too heavy for a middle weight. Especially since it seems top heavy like the Africa Twin. Before I bought the Transalp I was considering the KTM 890 and a Triumph 900 GT pro. But I am more of a Japanese / Honda fan and I sense you lean towards the Euro models more. Keep up the great honest reviews. I take what you say more seriously than most other reviews.
I really liked this video. I particularly liked the comparison to other bikes similar in the middle weight class. As someone who also rides with a passenger, I would have liked to hear a bit more on the comfort and accommodations for the passenger.
I'm surprised you didn't put the KTM ahead of the Triumph for fun. The Triumph is refined, but the KTM is laugh out loud fun! The DesertX steers and holds its line very nicely on-road, so that makes it the best road bike. I enjoy the KTM for its low centre of gravity handling when the going gets tough.
Thanks Ian for the comparison spreadsheet and in-depth review of this Triumph beauty. Ready to sell the workhorse DR 650 and park a new Aprilia 660 and continue the journey.... I'll miss the Suzuki big time though 😢
Thanks, Ian for this awesome review you are always so detailed. I have an Africa twin 2017 obviously not the same bike as what you were testing, but if I was able to buy a new bike, this would probably it. Love the heated grips. Cruise control and my God heated seats. Thank you for a great review.
I had the pleasure of meeting you at the Noobs rally while you were testing that bike. Your test is one of the most informative that I can recall. As for the Triumph , I’ll stick with my KTM 500 . It’s much easier to pick up if I take a digger 😅.
Another great review. I loved the new upgrades on the 2024 too. So I had to get one. For the riding I do I have no complaints. I did speck it out and changed the tires. But all the stock features was a big reason I chose the Tiger.
They brought up the horsepower and extended the valve service interval so one would think the prior 12k recommendation is probably overkill. My 2020 GT is a little over 12k so I may just finish out this season and take it in this winter.
For me it was between this and the AT as they both have dealers in my city. I really liked that everything is included. Adding all the other bits to the AT made the price pretty much equal. And imo, the tiger looks far better and has a better tank range, which matters as i live pretty far from anywhere and we have lots of logging roads to explore. So far 700 ish km on the tiger rp and no regrets.
Financially the best thing would be to get 2018 AT for 10k with all farkles u need. That's what I did, also no regrets it was basically new bike for Almost 50% cheaper and since it's honda.i don't care about warranty
Hello, I admire the complete and exhaustive nature of your videos and understand that traffic riding is not high on your list. However for all those of your followers who need one bike to do everything there is the issue of the heat produced by mid adventure bikes. You do say that they are all producing a lot of heat for the feet but still there are certainly degrees... The Triumph 900, besides her exceptional ride confort, also pretends to bring an improvement on the matter through her novel placement of its ventilators, higher and more to the left and right than usual. This, if found to produce absolutely excessive heat for the knees, especially on the right side; have you any comment or opinion on the matter?
Great content and review as usual. Would love to add the Rally Pro to my garage but currently riding a 1200 Scrambler Steve McQueen along with a 21 CRF450RL and 22 Indian Springfield so no room right now. More Maggie, she’s a hoot!
Great review sir! Your usual detailed and informative content. I own a 2021 RP, bought lightly used in 22. Nice to see they addressed the display and added a few ponies. I love mine. Other than the usual accessories to haul "stuff", the only mods I have made are slightly lowered SW-M pegs (even with the seat set in the high position, my knees got cramped up...still wish for slightly more room....seat pad or custom seat?), and replaced the stock Rally handlebar with one from a GT as they are much more comfortable for me, matching the sweep of my BMWs (same height and width as Rally). I'm currently trying on some windscreens...first was the Givi tall for Rally Pro (D6418ST...waaay too tall and they dont offer a low for the Rally); on order is a Givi short screen (D6415S intended for GT, but since I use GT bars, I'm hoping it fits).
I was ready to buy one until you mentioned the front end issues. It would be nice if your comparison chart had “ability to clear maintenance indicator after an oil change”; that’s another no go for me.
I totally have the same problem with my 800 XC and trying to ride in sand. It's horrible.... appreciate the tips! Funny enough I did the same with my forks as you have only a week ago. Keen to see how that will improve sand riding
