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2396 design course, a discussion - A SparkyNinja Webinar

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In this webinar Phil and I discuss the City and Guilds 2396 Design course.
We look at the chief examiners report and discuss the common areas where people are failing to succeed in their exams and we give some pointers for anyone currently enrolled on the course or thinking about taking it on.
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@stevensmith4449 3 года назад

Passed it a couple of years ago,never used it at work! The guilds want you to give your opinion when answering the test questions! what the reg actually means to YOU. You will be writing for 3 hours solid, learn your cable calculations and answer all these questions first, easy points in the bank! Then answer any questions that ask for a diagram to be drawn, again easy points, if you label it! Then assess the remaining questions and answer what you know! Lastly answer the stuff you have to look up! Always explaining your opinion on the questions! Study at night school, so you can learn in chunks and study between lessons if struggling with certain bits? It turns out that the project is the best revision for the test but you only find that out after the test! Remember when designing your project, you are not installing it, so you can make it very reg compliant and not worry about ease of installation too much! In the project you have too chose all materials and installation practices and provide information to back up all your choices! Try and get hold of an old project and do it before you start your course and several test papers, this will get you on the right track when you start the course and will show you where you need to improve! The course will make you smarter!

@angelofranklin1 3 года назад

Very informative and helpful, thank you. I want to take 2396 early this year, this helped me, your programs on youtube have helped me build my confidence up thank you. Previously I took the City and Guilds A, B, and C certificates then followed through with the Licentiateship and then finally the 17th edition testing and 17th edition IEE regulations. Unfortunately, I forget a few things. your youtube programs have been brilliant and helped me back into electrical design.

@smartchip 4 года назад

I did 2391 in 2010,this channel is really really good, thanks,

@Cial 4 года назад

You have no idea how grateful I am you upload these videos in your own time and never ask for anything in return, true gentleman. You also don't push any "sponsored by" endorsements so I take your opinions as your own opinion and not your wallets.

@SparkyNinja 4 года назад

Thanks Josh

@normanhartill1424 4 года назад

High failure rates in my opinion, as a former assessor, is the C&G obsession with word fetish and verbiage, which means a candidate needs an A level in English to comprehend the questions asked.

@spcyman7209 4 года назад

Bang on.

@travoltasbiplane1551 Год назад

In which case then they've probably got a problem comprehending the wiring regulations haven't they. So maybe the real dissonance is between the standard expected of electricians and the standard of candidates.

@co2maker88 4 года назад

Glad I did mine to the 17th edition just before the 18th came out. Although I did include SPDs to my design and mentioned AFDDs as a consideration.

@intherealworld7705 Год назад

You can no longer access the project drawings without a password

@Steve-ho4pq 4 года назад

Just heard your comments about level 2 sparks. I did my apprenticeship later 80's YTS then the young workers scheme because the JIB would not help me out. I got my 236 parts one and two at the 15th edition, 16th edition , old 2391, 16th 17th and now 18th edition soon to be 18th amendment 2, this is my work history house bashing, motor rewind, industrial, commercial, education, energy from waste projects, project engineer, and for the last eight years a NICEIC QS, I spend most of my time explaining to some of the jib gold card sparks what they have done wrong and why. I tried applying for my gold card but the ECS and JIB both said you have to do your level 3 to get the gold card. Why should I at 50 spend £5K so someone can watch me remotely via face time bending conduit or second fixing light switches. So for me your comment is unjustified.

@angelofranklin1 3 года назад

Hi Steve, 5000 pounds, I hope you are joking that's crazy, I'm a little older than you, I was lucky as I took the A, B, and C certificates and finally my Licentiateship. I was finally awarded at the age of 30 my JIB technician card. FK the gold card if it costs that much.

@asp217 Год назад

32:32 What is "Main Earth Conductor"? Never seen that stated in GN3. I think you mean "Earthing Conductor"

@carlosflorez7479 Год назад

Main Earth Conductor is the one incoming from The DNO, they are normally 16mm , however they can be 25mm and 35mm

@asp217 Год назад

@@carlosflorez7479 incorrect Carlos

@asp217 Год назад

@@carlosflorez7479 The DNO are not obliged to provide an earth, this is stated in ESQCR. If you read Brian Scaddan's book "Design & Verification of Electrical Installations" you will see that "Main Earthing Conductor" is ot a recognised term, for the pruposes of your 2396 exam, I would advise you not to use it

@SparkyNinja Год назад

Whilst not present on the electropedia site, Main Earthing Conductor has been a common term used to identify the conductor between the source of earth and the main earthing terminal. It has been used regularly for many many years. Just Google it. I've just found it in a document from 2014 by the national grid, and a technical guide by the ENA from 1992. Using it will have no impact on the 2396.

@spcyman7209 4 года назад

It sounds to me (14 mins in) that students don't understand what is being asked of them. The problem is not with the students in this case, it is with C&G and their inability to explain clearly what they want. The written paper on the 2391-52 is like this; absolutely appallingly written and designed to confuse the student (Q3a + Q3b). Your discussion makes it sound simple based on your own experience levels, but a student shouldn't be disadvantaged by not understanding what is being asked of them and what depth to answer to.

@OnStageLighting 4 года назад

Agree. With years of experience, it seems easy to understand the context based on stuff like past versions of the regs, changes to practices and reasons for etc. What can't be forgotten is that many candidates do not yet have this particular knowledge bank to draw on even if they do understand exactly what is being asked of them and how to present an answer. This might lead to leaning on 'what it says in the book' because when you are still at that level, what else is there? :-)

@spcyman7209 4 года назад

@@OnStageLighting I know good electricians who have failed Insp & Test through not understanding what is being asked of them. If you ask them a straight question they will give you a clear and concise answer. C&G appear to be abdicating responsibility and placing the onus onto the training establishments. This is unfair and not the establishments problem! Perhaps C&G should assess their own standards and raise them before taking pleasure in telling students how wrong they are. A teacher/trainer should not be spending their time deciphering poorly written questions. Most students are NOT academics! Know your audience is my advice to them.

@marlonw6236 3 года назад

@@spcyman7209 but with respect mate, L4 courses roughly equate to HNC/HND eg post A-level, first year of university, so one could argue that if you aren’t academically-minded perhaps it’s not the best course for you. Second it’s an electrical design course, so you should be fully confident expressing yourself and communicate at the level of an engineer, project manger, architect. When so many are failing something is clearly wrong- not saying I have all the answers btw

@spcyman7209 3 года назад

@@marlonw6236 I understand your point of view, but I also understand the engineering arena. I have been an electrical maintenance engineer, an electrical installation engineer, a supervisor, a manager and a teacher. I am both practical and academic ( level 7) Like I said, know your audience. Level 4 to me is NOT academic, it’s pragmatic; totally job related in relation to install, test and fault diagnosis. HNC qualifications are theoretical, but that’s all they are. They just prove that a person has the ‘capacity’ to learn more. They don’t prove that a person can apply it. The 18th Ed is a prime example of this. Level 3? Ridiculous! You don’t even need to understand the answers you have found. Total cash in. 2396 is different and worthy of level 4, but it is a used and valued SKILL, and not theoretical therefore the questions should be straightforward and NOT academic. I hope this makes sense.

@marlonw6236 3 года назад

@@spcyman7209 Disagree here. If you are calling yourself a designer, you should be able to justify your decisions and understand the calculations you are making. A designer can’t respond to a technical query from a client consultant by saying ‘well it works and that’s the main thing’.

@lkylon204 4 года назад

@Sparky - what is your discord tag?

@SparkyNinja 4 года назад

If you head to SparkyNinja.com you can see a discord invite button just underneath my ugly mug.

@marlonw6236 3 года назад

Watching this vid, and rescanning a couple of these assessor reports, it’s pretty obvious either - students are not being prepared properly - students are out of their depth