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@AngryChineseWoman
@AngryChineseWoman 7 месяцев назад
*Christopher Walken's voice* : It's crazy !
@rangersmith4652
@rangersmith4652 7 месяцев назад
Data centers ought to focus more on storing data that people have asked them to store instead of data that people would prefer they did not store. That would decrease the required capacity by several orders of magnitude. As it is, they store everything because 1) they lack the ability to discern what's worth storing from what's not and 2) because they're being paid to store everything. Their _direct, intentional_ customers are big corporations and governments that actually have asked them to store such vast amounts of data...data their _involuntary_ customers would prefer not be stored. But that's world in which we live. This comment may never be read or referred to by anyone, but it will be stored in perpetuity just because the technology exists and nobody bothers to properly parse data before storing it.
@matthouston8411
@matthouston8411 7 месяцев назад
There are ZERO involuntary customers on Facebook.
@rangersmith4652
@rangersmith4652 7 месяцев назад
@@matthouston8411 Facebook was not first and foremost a data center. It of course now operates a series of data centers for which its own platform is a primary customer. And yes, there are involuntary Facebook "customers." I am one such customer, in a sense, because my membership on a Board of Directors requires me to participate in a Facebook page. On a larger scale, people are Facebook customers like people are Microsoft or Google customers; it's hard to do anything on line otherwise. Businesses, churches and other organizations who don't have a Facebook presence might as well not exist.
@goldenheartOh
@goldenheartOh 7 месяцев назад
Just because it seems like useless data now, doesn't mean some A.I. won't figure out some association that will make it valuable later. Like if you drive faster than normal on Friday you're less susceptible to being influenced by x kind of advertising but more influenced by y kind. Yet if it's Monday another kind is optimal.
@rangersmith4652
@rangersmith4652 7 месяцев назад
@@goldenheartOh Ever watch a baseball game and hear the "color" guy note that the pitcher currently warming up to relieve the starter has the all-time league's best on-the-road lefty save record on a Tuesday with a full moon in September when the temperature is below 70F in inning six or later when the starter has at least a two-run lead, the first batter to be faced is from Ohio, and the opponent's mascot is mostly green or some other ridiculous set of statistics? They can do that because baseball statisticians record everything. Sports networks used to pay people to scour those records for such trivia because they knew baseball can be pretty boring to watch without the constant chatter of the color guy rattling about this or that statistic. Now we giant data centers storing our very clicks and keystrokes and AI bots doing analysis at lightning speed so that a company can know which ads to force onto our screens (assuming our ad blocking software has been outlawed). I can see why companies and governments want to know our every click and keystroke, but I can't see how their knowing them is good for society writ large.
@goldenheartOh
@goldenheartOh 7 месяцев назад
@@rangersmith4652 yeah. A coworker once told me his friend wondered why Target was sending her all kinds of baby producr ads. Turns out the algorithm noticed her purchasing habits changed & knew she was pregnant before she did!
@proximap2151
@proximap2151 7 месяцев назад
8TB HD 3.5" $150-250, 8TB M.2 $999! for back up the old style HD is still viable and a considerably less cost. Of course I'd rather have the m.2. 256TB that's insane lol When I started with a tandy trs 80 it had 16k! We've come along way!
@dark_mode
@dark_mode 7 месяцев назад
I hope price will come down
@redslate
@redslate 7 месяцев назад
8TB QLC SATA III was $320 recently. I'll take that over HDD any day. The price-gap is closing fast! In 2017, 1TB MLC m.2 was $480 (on sale).
@dianaalyssa8726
@dianaalyssa8726 7 месяцев назад
HDD is weird in that you save sometimes buying the sales of larger capacities per terabyte.
@AxiomofDiscord
@AxiomofDiscord 7 месяцев назад
. @redslate Most cases I rather have a 20TB HDD right now. I got a 2TB boot NVME and after that I feel HDDs make sense for now
@kylegoldston
@kylegoldston 7 месяцев назад
I recently purchased 4TB, NOS, enterprise 3.5" drives for $50 shipped. I'll wait patiently for 100TB ssd in a 3.5" case with integrated cooling.
@richardlittlejohn8184
@richardlittlejohn8184 7 месяцев назад
I think I bought my last ever HDD this week! (I bought a 2TB WD USB HDD purely for data backup, and it was cheaper than an SSD, and speed wasn't a huge factor for me)
@wertigon
@wertigon 7 месяцев назад
Oh man... That's such a bad deal when 4TB HDDs are like $20-$40 now and 2TB SSD/NVMe are $80.
@richardlittlejohn8184
@richardlittlejohn8184 7 месяцев назад
@@wertigon nahh, I couldn't find an SSD (that I'd trust) for the same price.
@wertigon
@wertigon 7 месяцев назад
@@richardlittlejohn8184 Yeah I know but 4TB HDD are like $5 more than 2TB and $80 for full SSD is affordable enough, I wouldn't bother with 2TB HDD anymore.
@L.Scott_Music
@L.Scott_Music 7 месяцев назад
Looking at the power to terabyte equation it seems like it's really the terabyte to controller ratio. The 256TB used 7 times less than 8 x 32TB. That's pretty much 8 controllers vs 1. I wonder what the power ratio is 8 x 4TB ssds vs 1x32TB ssd. I suspect it's the same.
@nb1223
@nb1223 7 месяцев назад
I would still use 3.5 HDD's for archiving 4k and 8k footage. Or just to put these massive files into storage, so that it can be edited later. Okay maybe editing 8k on a 3.5 is not ideal, but I do believe HDD's will continue to add value to the consumer, much like vinyl records are still in use today.
@johndelabretonne2373
@johndelabretonne2373 7 месяцев назад
Didn't Microsoft already create the ability to RAID1 at the folder level in Windows Home Server nearly 20 years ago?
@mpeugeot
@mpeugeot 7 месяцев назад
data center space is expensive compared to what the ssd prices will eventually be. SSD prices will continue to drop and data center space will continue to increase in cost, it's easy to predict the future here, you don't need to be Nostradamus to figure this out.
@NightAuwl
@NightAuwl 7 месяцев назад
Getting TIE-Fighter to run was a nightmare. Not enough base RAM so you had to place as much stuff as possible in HIGH Mem. Every KB was crucial.
@TechDeals
@TechDeals 7 месяцев назад
Indeed, 1994 was the era of memory managers for DOS... I remember Star Trek: TNG A Final Unity being insanely hard to run back then because of RAM.
@CouchCoach
@CouchCoach 7 месяцев назад
HDD still made sense until recently for small businesses for nas and local archive / local backup storage. However pricing the last few months went insane. We bought a couple of 12 TB HDDs about 2 years ago for ~140 $ including taxes. Same costs about 40-60 $ more at the moment. However affordable SSD are still maxed at about 8 TB capacity which means we would new / more hardware. (We do not shop enterprise hardware. And even there >8tb ssd is way more expansive.)
@wertigon
@wertigon 7 месяцев назад
If $100 per TB is acceptable for your business right now you could buy an Asustor Flashstor Pro 12 which is an x12 slot m.2 with up to a whopping 96 TB of raw storage (80 TB of redundant storage). A 12x8TB, NAS included, is $10.4k, so not really affordable at the moment, but a 12x4TB setup (48 TB raw, 40 TB redundant) is only $3k and there is a 6 bay version for half the price. The 4TB setups make sense in a lot of ways at the moment, but you do need to be satisfied with 40TB until 12x16TB can be installed in 2026 (for $25 / TB or so).
@uncrunch398
@uncrunch398 7 месяцев назад
As capacity density goes up it only makes sense to move to faster storage. What sense is there in a medium with such a huge capacity to access/transfer speed ratio that it takes over a week to read it? Ofc you should have multiple copies of everything you care about on as many devices, but you might have to copy things from a failing medium. The required time might not be realistic on a 20TiB or higher capacity HDD.
@zekicay
@zekicay 7 месяцев назад
The problem is that QVO (QLC) SSDs are not faster to write to than HDDs. They have an SLC cache but once that fills up, the speed drops to below 100MB/s while normal (non-shingled) HDDs can have sustained writes of 180MB/s or sometimes even 300MB/s
@MrLibormortis
@MrLibormortis 7 месяцев назад
hemm just need 2 then for my "art collection"...sorry i couldn't help it 😆
@davinhunt7558
@davinhunt7558 7 месяцев назад
Almost two years ago now I bought a sabrent rocket nvme 8tb for 2k$. Thinking about another one so I can make backups of my Blu-ray's
@AdmiralBison
@AdmiralBison 3 месяца назад
I will only keep HDs for archive storage. The problem though, 5TB seems to be the limit for external bus powered HDs. I'm taking into consideration physical size and portability.
@adrianogrisanti6731
@adrianogrisanti6731 7 месяцев назад
In windows 11 i have 4 8tb ssd and make one big drive g for games so everything gets installed there and keep 4tb c drive m2 just for ms game it doesnt let you install anywhere else and star citzen. And a 4tb m2 i use for high demending games and move them to normal ssd onve completed as ssds dropped a lot recently 200 for 8tb smasung ssd used to be 800 a few years ago
@ironfist7789
@ironfist7789 7 месяцев назад
A lot of people are comparing regular SSDs with enterprise ones in the data center that are hammered by more usage (and have to have more redundant cells) and their prices are quite a bit different.
@user-tw7em5ig3q
@user-tw7em5ig3q Месяц назад
Why Son SSD with a capacity of 1zp?
@Puremindgames
@Puremindgames 7 месяцев назад
Back in June last year I got a WD 12TB Elements Desktop External Hard Drive for £185(Which I proceeded to crack open and stick in my case) and I'm thinking I might even get the 22TB one(which I will also crack open) eventually, when I have the cash and it's on offer.
@user-uc2bl9ij1i
@user-uc2bl9ij1i 2 дня назад
Who can download the ssd 256 tb hard disk 1zb
@justtocomment3512
@justtocomment3512 7 месяцев назад
Someone has got to be doing the math on when it makes more sense to have SSD's in data centers. Once the Enterprise stops buying HDD's it's all over. I saw an article that said 96% of all laptops ship with SSD's now. Not too many consumers are buying HDD's anymore. It's only a matter of time until we're all on SSD's.
@TechDeals
@TechDeals 7 месяцев назад
Indeed... when I started on RU-vid in 2016, most PCs and laptops still came with hard drives, except for the higher end ones. Today, that's almost not a thing at any level anymore. Not every enterprise has to stop buying hard drives for it to become an unprofitable business.
@AsianPersuation24x7
@AsianPersuation24x7 7 месяцев назад
it will be small soon.. gonna wait for a decent priced 1 or 2PB drive 😅
@dianaalyssa8726
@dianaalyssa8726 7 месяцев назад
OMG. Still need them cheaper but would love to go more SSDs/nvmes. HDDs are cheaper for non game storage still.
@AdmiralBison
@AdmiralBison 3 месяца назад
5:43 "end of 2024 we'll have 8TB SSDs under $200" I REALLY hope so, because I'm planning on changing out my 120TB total external HDs for smaller Samsung 8TB external SSDs which cost like $500 a pop.
@eatthisvr6
@eatthisvr6 7 месяцев назад
that SHOULD be enough for dcs!
@uncrunch398
@uncrunch398 7 месяцев назад
Linux has made leaps recently in process scheduling and IO. Full size office apps open just as fast from cold as notepad used to. Disclaimer, my SSD was the fastest 2TB I could find for its cost with a memory cache and highly rated. Sk Hynix Platinum P41. R/W sequential ~7GB/s, random at worst is also well above what any HDD ever achieved sequentially.
@uncrunch398
@uncrunch398 7 месяцев назад
I didn't know CFS was wasting a lot of CPU cycles and cache until i read how EEVDS works. Recent CPUs will benefit with sensors giving access to the OS to keep lower thread count tasks on the highest quality cores for best performance per watt or best performance without caring for cost. It's suggested to be user configurable, but I haven't looked into doing that. It's a noticeable bump without tinkering. Scheduling balances throughput with latency better than anything before. I wonder how it took so long to get it since this was pretty much someone's research from decades ago recently put into code in the kernel.
@davidnaden
@davidnaden 7 месяцев назад
Currently, the cost per TB for most SSDs is approximately $50. For a 256TB SSD, that would be approximately $12,800. If reliability could be guaranteed, that would still be a great price based on the $$$ per TB...
@shaunwhiteley3544
@shaunwhiteley3544 7 месяцев назад
11.00 minutes in, Windows Home Server WHS, had that technology, and de duplication technology, and client backups. I was gutted when MS ended support of it. Just add another disk to your existing disks and your pool just got bigger.
@UncleJimsBand
@UncleJimsBand 7 месяцев назад
All this on one bit data paths. ...
@uncrunch398
@uncrunch398 7 месяцев назад
Technically it's possible for someone to develop SSDs, just configuring existing tech, we can line our walls with and use direct FSO (free space optics) for IO and power.
@uncrunch398
@uncrunch398 7 месяцев назад
@@SpoonHurler Free space optics is line of sight p2p ota, not fibre. A hub could point a light beam at a device to transfer data and charge its caps. Similar could be done with other directed energy.
@OGHawkeye
@OGHawkeye 7 месяцев назад
not even considering a hard drive in my new build. m.2 only
@johnpaulbacon8320
@johnpaulbacon8320 7 месяцев назад
Technology is finally overcoming More's Law.
@johanjacobs9240
@johanjacobs9240 7 месяцев назад
Will a 256 TB SSD even be supported by Windows 11 or later?
@redslate
@redslate 7 месяцев назад
I don't think there's a conceivable limit with NTFS.
@whitebeartigtig
@whitebeartigtig 7 месяцев назад
As of Windows 10 1709 and later, the maximum NTFS volume size is 8PB, earlier versions supported a maximum size of 256TB. So I think we're good.
@AlexRoseGames
@AlexRoseGames 7 месяцев назад
256TB is absolutely mental
@ericneo2
@ericneo2 7 месяцев назад
This isn't the first time Samsung has announced massive SSDs, last time they never brought them to market.
@alberttechchannel7250
@alberttechchannel7250 7 месяцев назад
samsung number 1
@SlydogFPS
@SlydogFPS 7 месяцев назад
WuZuP?
@FireSonic102
@FireSonic102 7 месяцев назад
As a kid that grew up finding a 500gb hard drive impressive, this is just mind boggling for me
@wildowarkson8774
@wildowarkson8774 7 месяцев назад
My first phone was an android with 4gb of storage, growing I notice iPhones had 32gb wnd now 64gb… now this ? I’m not old but I feel outdated.
@ehenningsen
@ehenningsen 7 месяцев назад
I grew up thinking a 30MB hard drive was impressive 😂
@stedz2000
@stedz2000 7 месяцев назад
@@ehenningsen yeah times changed eh :) I stilll got my 386 somewhere :) I remember meeting head of squaresoft europe when the PS2 was about to be launched and he told me we would be using TB of data and I swore that we would never need that much data. Well he had the last laugh 🤣
@Tindergate
@Tindergate 7 месяцев назад
This is nice and all but holy, it's gonna cost like $50,000.00 lol I think it's going to be more for data centers, icloud system and such. Nothing a regular user is gonna need or afford.
@idan678
@idan678 7 месяцев назад
Finally i could play COD WarZone
@goldenheartOh
@goldenheartOh 7 месяцев назад
PB SSD? We need a tech word that starts with J that we can put on the end so the world can have PB&J SSD's. 😎
@blkspade23
@blkspade23 7 месяцев назад
That word, would be an in context acronym, JBOD.
@ElladanKenet
@ElladanKenet 7 месяцев назад
SSDs are already cheaper than HHDs. As cheap as HHDs seem, when you factor in the increased speed, performance, power savings, physical size, longer lifespan, longer warranty, etc., SSDs and m.2 drives are both cheaper. Hell, they were effectively cheaper two years ago, back when 2TB m.2s were still going for about $400. Now that they're half that price or less, they are ABSOLUTELY cheaper, when you're looking at the longterm picture. And honestly, wouldn't you prefer to just get a nice drive that will do your needs, last a long while, and not have to worry about it? Out of the last four computers I owned, over longer than a decade, the first part to fail was the harddrive, every single time.
@mttrashcan-bg1ro
@mttrashcan-bg1ro 7 месяцев назад
They need a solution to NVME and the lack of slots, having 1-4 slots in a motherboard is a joke. I've had 27TB for the last year or so, I just removed my HDDs as I don't need them and dropped down to 15TB. I have 10TB for games, which across 2x4TB SATAs and a 2TB NVME, and you better believe that's 2 thirds full. Then I have 2TB for Media stuff and 1TB for my music stuff with a 2TB for the boot drive. If I went all NVME because eventually SATA is gonna be useless, you can't use it for direct storage, They need to either improve SATA to be able to handle those speeds in the gigabytes, or allow bigger NVME drives at a reasonable cost. You can get an 8TB Gen4 NVME, (there might be Gen5s) but it's $1500AUD, an 8TB SATA is $600AUD. That's fine because the NVME drives are so much faster, but currently aside from Direct Storage, there's no difference between SATA and NVME, like I've never seen a game load quicker, play smoother, or Windows load quicker or anything on a Gen5 NVME vs even a slow SATA SSD. HDDs will still exist for stuff like camera recordings, I've done some CCTV stuff and SSDs won't likely improve CCTV, it'll just mean less drive failures. But if the same size SSDs like a 10TB SATA dropped down to like $250 where the HDDs are then it'll be fine. Aussie prices are pretty stupid, I know.
@TechDeals
@TechDeals 7 месяцев назад
Drive sizes will fix the NVMe slot limit for the most part... however boards with 6 NVMe M.2 slots now exist as well.
@TechDeals
@TechDeals 7 месяцев назад
Regarding SATA SSDs, the 8TB Samsung 870 QVO has been hovering near $300. Not exactly what you had in mind, but it's close. The 4TB SATA drives have been $140 for awhile now.
@jamesbowen6144
@jamesbowen6144 7 месяцев назад
Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive $350.00
@jollygreen4662
@jollygreen4662 7 месяцев назад
if one m.2 is 10tb, i am happy
@TheArgoBots
@TheArgoBots 7 месяцев назад
They can barely handle 250 gb SSDs enough to last a solid year. I've got 10$ SSDs from Amazon that have already blown all Samsung drives out of the water. Well, i take that back because technically all Samsung drives have misfired and blown themselves out of the water.
@Crossfire2003
@Crossfire2003 7 месяцев назад
I got rid of my last HDD in 2019 & I've never looked back! I only use M.2 NVMe SSDs now. #HDDsAreObsolete However, SSDs aren't created equal! The NAND cells get worse as technology advances! The new ones are just TLC & QLC! No vendor makes consumer products using SLC, or even MLC NAND drives anymore!
@SilkenLuna
@SilkenLuna 7 месяцев назад
Letting microsoft handle where you store data? Please don't.
@justtocomment3512
@justtocomment3512 7 месяцев назад
I for one will never buy another hard drive. It's SSD's all the way from here on out for me. They'll only get cheaper and better over time.
@oib0y
@oib0y 7 месяцев назад
Same. Well, unless a NAS drive dies. But as far as my gaming rig I bought a mobo with 1 Gen5 M.2 NVME & 4 Gen 4 M.2 NVME slots. I have 2 Gen4 drives currently. I'm hoping to fill the other 3 come black Friday. Including a Gen5 for my boot drive. When my PC has just fully booted up, all you hear is the faintest fan hum, but basically all but completely silent. I LOVE it!
@pepeshopping
@pepeshopping 7 месяцев назад
Advertise how to get W10 Pro, NON OEM, for LESS than $60, and then I will respect you(r) weak proposal...
@ghostshadow9046
@ghostshadow9046 7 месяцев назад
I'm still buying HDD, under $100 for 8TB, HDD still massively beat SSD in $ per TB
@AxiomofDiscord
@AxiomofDiscord 7 месяцев назад
I could go for a 8TB SSD at 200 dollars even if not as fast as my 2TB boot drive be good for just the games that recommend/require SSD speed of somesort. But at that time I would still buy one or two 20 plus TB hard drives for my main machine.