27. Judea in the Time of Jesus (Jewish History Lab) 

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Well, depends. The Ebionites and Nazarenes were still around in some capacity.

@Jon N I think he was alluding to the changes to Christianity once Constantine appeased the pagans and allowed them to maintain their sun god worship as long as they named them for biblical events. 2 great examples are the summer and winter equinox. Shortest and longest days of sunlight which the sun god worshippers observed. You may know them better as Easter and Christmas. These pagan traditions found their way into Christianity by way of Constantine. Lent is another which is another sun god reference for the weeping for Tammuz. You can also see idolatry as well as sun discs behind the heads of all the important figures in the Christian Art. There is no doubt that Christianity in the first century looked more like what Moses taught to the Israelites as well as adhering to Feasts and other requirements of food restrictions etc. Also no one was worshipping Yeshua. Some understood he was the prophet who would come from the people like unto Moses that we must hear and obey. Apparently it was told to Peter through the ha-kodesh that he was a son of God. It’s likely no self respecting Jew today would accept the nonsense post modern Christians try to convince them of. Most of it flies in the face of what they know of God and would never convince any of the faithful. Had Christianity stayed true to its origins it would fall more in line with what they understand from the Torah and the promises of God. They might be more likely to accept YESHUA as that Prophet like unto Moses. Yeshua of the first century is not the Jesus of today’s main stream Christianity.

Hi Dr. Abramson. Could you explain why the royalty of the kingdom of Adiabene has a palace in Jerusalem and there relation to the Jewish state and the Herodians and Hasmoneans. Why there is another royal family living in Jerusalem aside from the Hasmoneans and Herodeans. Adiabene is a vassal of Parthia very weird for them to live in Jerusalem in Judea a Roman vassal.

@Jon N as a believer in Yeshua as the Messiah myself I diverge from the typical Christianity that is today more a blend of paganism introduced by Constantine (which speaks to the OP’s comment) I wouldn’t agree that it’s a blend of Judaism as far as Pharisee law would interpret Judaism but it absolutely is foundational as far as the Torah and prophets are concerned minus the made made commentary of the Mishna and Talmud. My take on what Jesus taught was that he taught the Torah but went as far to describe the interpretations of his day to be false doctrine. It even exists to this day. He condemned the adding to or removing from of Gods commands. This isn’t limited to the Pharisees as we have seen this same thing occur in what is known as Christianity. As far as Paul, that’s a different subject entirely and I will save most for another time. Let me just say that it was Yeshua that we were told would be the prophet like unto Moses that we must hear and obey. I do not believe that describes Paul. All who take hold of the covenant will be greater than sons or daughters and should not be set apart. Isaiah 56. I see Paul’s teachings as being interpreted by many as Noahidism. I cannot conclude, but I concern myself with being grafted in to the tree. If we are to understand that there is no Jew or Gentile, only those who follow the word of God then we are in agreement on the basics of who will have a part in the world to come. Thanks for your generous reply.

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@@HenryAbramsonPhD How long has this one been in the fridge? Tasty!

@@HenryAbramsonPhD That is exactly what somebody that doesn't sleep would say

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@@HenryAbramsonPhD how do you do all these things on top of full or more than full time job?

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Hi Dr. Abramson. Could you explain why the royalty of the kingdom of Adiabene has a palace in Jerusalem and there relation to the Jewish state and the Herodians and Hasmoneans. Why there is another royal family living in Jerusalem aside from the Hasmoneans and Herodeans. Adiabene is a vassal of Parthia very weird for them to live in Jerusalem in Judea a Roman vassal.

Just following the chronology.

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Hi Dr. Abramson. Could you explain why the royalty of the kingdom of Adiabene has a palace in Jerusalem and there relation to the Jewish state and the Herodians and Hasmoneans. Why there is another royal family living in Jerusalem aside from the Hasmoneans and Herodeans. Adiabene is a vassal of Parthia very weird for them to live in Jerusalem in Judea a Roman vassal.

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After Watching:..A Better explanation of the Histro-Political situation at the time of Jesus...then I've ever got in a Bible Class... ...I've decided I'm going to watch your whole series on Jewish history from the very beginning...

Not really up to the level of detail you're asking.

Just worked out that way.

Thanks for the kind words!

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Queen Helena converted to Judaism with her sons.

@@HenryAbramsonPhD thank you very much for sharing your wisdom. 🙏🙏🙏

A lot of my further lectures will deal with this topic in one form or another.

@@HenryAbramsonPhD thank you!

Tampering with texts is remarkably common in the ancient period.

Eusebius tampered with his own texts. He had to rewrite an already-published version of his Histories because it originally praised Licinius. Well, Licinius lost to Constantine, so oops!

@@HenryAbramsonPhD I see, thank you!

@@andrewsuryali8540thank you, I didn't know that. I've only started studying the early church this year and it's been a challenge trying to work out who is reliable and who isn't!

Hi Dr. Abramson. Could you explain why the royalty of the kingdom of Adiabene has a palace in Jerusalem and there relation to the Jewish state and the Herodians and Hasmoneans. Why there is another royal family living in Jerusalem aside from the Hasmoneans and Herodeans. Adiabene is a vassal of Parthia very weird for them to live in Jerusalem in Judea a Roman vassal.

Yes. Try this, and then poke around for specific biographies. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3mjXHOP4R-A.html

@@HenryAbramsonPhD thank you

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Hi Dr. Abramson. Could you explain why the royalty of the kingdom of Adiabene has a palace in Jerusalem and there relation to the Jewish state and the Herodians and Hasmoneans. Why there is another royal family living in Jerusalem aside from the Hasmoneans and Herodeans. Adiabene is a vassal of Parthia very weird for them to live in Jerusalem in Judea a Roman vassal.

Ha, that’s actually funny!

@@HenryAbramsonPhD I updated my comment to take your lecture on Gersonides in 2017 into account. :-). Great lecture, BTW. Catching up with all the older material. The great thing about history as an avocation is that once you learn something, you almost never have to redo it. Well...maybe that's not true anymore, with revisionism in style.

Best answered in another channel.

Hi Dr. Abramson. Could you explain why the royalty of the kingdom of Adiabene has a palace in Jerusalem and there relation to the Jewish state and the Herodians and Hasmoneans. Why there is another royal family living in Jerusalem aside from the Hasmoneans and Herodeans. Adiabene is a vassal of Parthia very weird for them to live in Jerusalem in Judea a Roman vassal.

He wasn't a Palestinian. There was were no Phyllistines in Judea!

A question asked by many Christian scholars.

Well he was divine.

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Most welcome

Hi Dr. Abramson. Could you explain why the royalty of the kingdom of Adiabene has a palace in Jerusalem and there relation to the Jewish state and the Herodians and Hasmoneans. Why there is another royal family living in Jerusalem aside from the Hasmoneans and Herodeans. Adiabene is a vassal of Parthia very weird for them to live in Jerusalem in Judea a Roman vassal.

Don't know, sorry.

Not a Rabbi, just a regular guy.

@Eli Parnez Jesus quoted from Lamentations when he said turn the other check. Leviticus says that your shall love your neighbor as yourself. And Jews have always paid their taxes.

@@HenryAbramsonPhD So what are your qualifications to discuss Jewish history?? Perhaps a PHD from some noted university??

@Eli Parnez I totally agree with you that letting someone hit you for no reason is suicidal. However, the quote from Lamentations exists. I don't agree with it, but there it is.

Interesting

@@HenryAbramsonPhD : Indeed. There are even records of a 1st. Century Messianic community of Notzrim in Vienne. See 'Mishkan Journal' 2015.

Sorry that my comments and question to you below are so late in coming. I only just started watching this series, months after you posted your comment. I am not terribly well read on early Christian history, but I do know about this tradition of Mary Magdalene evangelizing Marseilles from my graduate studies in Middle English literature in the mid-1970's. Her legend can be found in numerous compilations of saints' lives, but the general scholarly consensus as I remember it was that many of the details of her life, as well those of the lives of the other saints in these medieval works, were highly elaborate fictionalizations designed to appeal to readers and listeners (some works were written as sermons) in much the same way that contemporary romances would have. When you read the legend of Mary Magdalene in the South English Legendary or the Legenda Aurea, you can often see elements of courtly romance filtering through in style and tone. So I'm curious to find out what information has come to light confirming that Mary Magdalene actually spent the last years of her life in south France as opposed to, let's say, the claim of Gregory of Tours that she retired to Ephesus in Asia Minor?

@@karnebo : to avoid needless conjecture, one would do well to weigh up the Magdalene traditions of both the Eastern and Western branches of Christendom and draw conclusions from there. Compatibility between the two ought to steer the researcher to a safe harbor in identifying the Magdalene.

@@terrytzaneros8007 Thanks for responding. If I may quote Prof. Abramson - "Hmm." I'll leave it there.

Why 10th century when we already have the passage quoted in the 4th century?

@@HenryAbramsonPhD They're different, and Maier contends that the 10th century version more likely reflects the original text. It does not claim with certainty that Jesus was the Messiah, and it does not connect the resurrection with Biblical prophesy. The traditionally accepted version suggests that Josephus was a Christian, which he obviously was not. The 10th century version could have been written by someone who was not a Christian.

@Son of Elohim If "that document" is the 10th century version, then I'd say yes. If I understand him correctly, Maier's point is that the traditional version asserts that Jesus _was_ the Messiah, while the 10th century document admits this only as a possibility.

Hi Dr. Abramson. Could you explain why the royalty of the kingdom of Adiabene has a palace in Jerusalem and there relation to the Jewish state and the Herodians and Hasmoneans. Why there is another royal family living in Jerusalem aside from the Hasmoneans and Herodeans. Adiabene is a vassal of Parthia very weird for them to live in Jerusalem in Judea a Roman vassal.

Ha!

@@sefad1157 most ancient writers put herod's death around 1bc. i have more confidence from ancient sources than from some blow hard from the 1800s. their historical records would have been intact. especially if the sources were before the reign of aurelian. the tabularium would have been intact until the invasion of the huns

I'm reporting on the scholarly consensus. There is still room for debate on this specific question.

Smooth talking Jew

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Hmm.

@@HenryAbramsonPhD Quite.

154 with my like, there's only one Psalm with that many verses, and they happen to come under the Resh portion of that particular Psalm.What took me to Psalms, it just popped up in my thoughts, and happens to be right in the middle of my Bible. I like your short lectures. Peace be with you.

Oh you Cabalists!!

@@veaudor Always liked maths, and am interested in "Synchronous events" Carl Jung. Some people say coincidence, but there is no such thing, everything is for a reason, all that is, and all that ever will be. It's not just some chance event.

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Back in the 60’s, as a grad student in History at Temple University, I took an ancient history course with a professor who was finishing his PhD at Dropsie. He was also a brilliant linguist, able to read and write all the languages he dealt with including Sumerian cuneiform. He was also an ordained minister, I think Lutheran. He insisted that the passage you describe from Josephus regarding Jesus was a fabrication inserted by a Russian orthodox priest to give the appearance of a contemporary source as none really exist. I never followed up on this as my area of concentration was East Asia.

Glad you found the lecture interesting.

Caesar and Ceopatra died 40ish years before Jesus's birth. Herod was a friend of Anthony but he opted to steer clear of Egypt in favor of gaining the trust if the incoming Emperor. The Egyptian was called Ha-Mitzri and is mentioned in Acts 21:28,

@@amyk6403 You mean the Jesus who was invented by the Romans in 325AD ? Christianity is an invention , and as such is a sequence of lies .

That was a common name in Hebrew like "John" ...The Yeshu mentioned in Talmud was long before your JC . Besides you claim Talmud is evil and fake anyway.. Bizarre to now try to use as a proof text.

Your comment seem like you want some Jewish validation of Jesus Christ.

I'm proceeding chronologically. The biography of Jesus becomes very relevant to Jewish history as Christianity becomes a state religion.

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Quran opposite Bible Mainly Judaism , Christianity Quran Anti semantic religion, Quran opposite Torah

More likely Aramaic (he is cited in Aramaic in the Gospels in a few places), probably read Hebrew.

Hi Dr. Abramson. Could you explain why the royalty of the kingdom of Adiabene has a palace in Jerusalem and there relation to the Jewish state and the Herodians and Hasmoneans. Why there is another royal family living in Jerusalem aside from the Hasmoneans and Herodeans. Adiabene is a vassal of Parthia very weird for them to live in Jerusalem in Judea a Roman vassal.

Thanks for your observations.

Neither of Josephus' two famous books was originally written in Aramaic. The Jewish War was a propaganda piece for Vespasian written for the Roman audience originally in Greek with a later Aramaic version, while as far as we know Antiquities (where the Testimonium was found) came in Greek only. I mean, it's literally addressed to the Greeks. The earliest NT found (Codex Sinaiticus) is dated to the 4th century, as it is also the earliest you could find a complete NT compilation. In previous centuries canonization had not been consolidated for the full collection of 27 books. You're instead talking about P52, which is just a tiny fragment of papyrus with a section of the Gospel of John inscribed on it. The few passages written on it do not display significant variation with the current version of the Gospel of John. Codex Sinaiticus DOES show significant variations with the modern versions of the NT, so that's where the confusion probably came from. The Trinity was inserted into the NT in a single passage found in the Vulgate sometime before the 15th century.

@@andrewsuryali8540 Maybe look into Academic sources. The original was in Aramaic. Not Koine Greek or Latin. The JC insertions are known to have been done much later by early church. As with the original Septuagint which 72 Rabbi s were forced to translate no one has the original Septuagint which were Bereshis to Devarim only (Torah). That is a fast day of morning on Jewish calendar 8th of Tevet Oxford and Caimbridge Universities are a good source. Also the oldest New Testament scripture ever found are the Koine Greek papyrus from 125 CE to about 300 CE. These are also in major academic institutions for veiwing.

Uh...for what it's worth, "Jesus" is a Latinization of the Hebrew name Yesho or Yeshua (related to Joshua), which relates to the root meaning of "salvation." Do I get two apples now?

Yea .. the latinization of a name from the very prople who stole, plagiarized in the hellenization of .. But actually you deflected aptly from what is the real truth.. Yahusha Ha'Moshioch is the name of the true messiah.. JESUS means "HAIL ZEUS" .. and apples 🍎 are given freely..

Not a Rabbi, just a regular guy. Sleep? Plenty of time to sleep later...

@@HenryAbramsonPhD Yes but you are a teacher ,and very good one at that. Todah

I don't agree with your assessment, but I hope you found the video of use.

@@HenryAbramsonPhD Do you accept the scholarly consensus that the messianics at least of Qumran and their parent sect (the "Essenoids") did expect the coming of two messiahs, a priestly and a princely one?

@Eli Parnez That isn't what the discussion is about, though. The Qumran community seemed to have been struggling with the divergence between the normative messianic prophecy of the general Jewish population who were waiting for a human king from the house of David and the apocalyptic prophecy of books like Daniel, Enoch, and the Maccabees, that proposed the coming of "one who is like a son of man", which they interpreted to be a spiritual or divine being taking the form of a man. Their solution was to posit two messiahs, a spiritual being sent from the divine realm (the "priestly messiah") and a human prince born to the house of David (the "princely messiah").

@Eli Parnez Yes, and this is completely irrelevant. I was asking Dr. Abramson personally whether he accepts the scholarly interpretation of the Qumran materials which posits that the community was expecting two messiahs. That's it. Your continued ludicrous assertion goes entirely out of bounds of the discussion. Nobody CARES what you think a messiah means. The question is whether an orthodox Jewish historian would accept a specific interpretation of the variant belief of the Qumran community that the orthodoxy have insisted for milennia to be both wrong and nonexistent.

Google translate: Slovak for "murderers." I have some comments you might not enjoy regarding this in the next lecture (28. Jesus and the Jewish Community).

The Hebrew Scriptures are the Tanakh (Five Books of Moses, Prophets and Writings) as written (and understood) in Biblical Hebrew with a smattering of Aramaic. Whether you agree or disagree, the 1st century writings popularly known as the "Christian Scriptures" or "New Testament" were written in Koine Greek do not fall into this category.

@@bereldovid8179 Shalom, You are missing the whole point, The People wio are in the New Covenant are ISRAELITES, the MASHIACH is from the Tribe of YAHUDA, His disciples were called Nazarenes. The New Covenant is made qith the Hiuse of Israel and with the House of YAHUDA and nit with the christians, These are the people who reject the instructions (TORAH) of ELOHIM. S'haul (Paul) was a Hebrew, he never claimed nor taught Christianity, He rather said in the Epistle to the Roman's 3:31 "RATHER WE ESTABLISH THE TORAH" I hope you will understand my view. 🙏🙏🙏

@UCjXJVFLcvuKkmUoDpIZRG9Q Shalom, These christians make S'haul appear to be false and he is teachings against the TORAH, but no, he doesn't and is always for the TORAH, These christian pagans and heathens do not know the front of the book and so misinterpert these Hebrew Scriptures. 🙏🙏🙏

@@pgloffshore This is why I appreciate Dr. Abramson's teaching. I have been learning from him for years. He respects history and primary sources. Too many read scripture, believe or don't believe and draw their own conclusions based on their previous (and mostly unchangeable) indoctrinations.

Glad you are having a useful discussion. Thanks @Berel Dovid for the kind words!

There's exile, and there's exile.