27 Reasons why I sold my 2019 Tiger 800 xrx low: at 10k miles!!! 

I find a real life insight like this far more useful than any magazine review. Time and again I've thought about a Triumph or a KTM, but there are just too many horror stories around. My idea if fun isn't hanging around a dealer's trying to get a warranty claim approved. I'll be sticking with Japanese bikes. Currently running a 97 Blade and a 97 TRX850. No issues at all with either, and they aren't garage queens - I ride 7 days a week.

I picked up a 2018 Tiger 800 XRX new a few years ago. 21,000 miles later I am still pleased with the purchase. No problems so far…just tires, brakes, oil changes and battery. The Tiger replaced my 2013 Bonneville that also only required routine maintenance. The Tiger 800 has been a great bike.

I sold mine after getting stranded in Wales. I live in Northern Ireland. Bike refused to turn over. Had to get a recovery lorry to Dublin and my son to come down in a van (120 miles) to collect me from the docks. The antenna wasnt reading the key. No roadside fix. Cost me £350 for repair. £200 for recovery. and 2 months off the road. Handled great. loved it but this was my second Triumph that failed . Not again. On a speed triple the indicators stopped working and the dealer refused to fix it (4 months old) because I had an aftermarket pipe fitted.?! Complained to Triumph directly and they backed the dealer up. Shocking attitude all round. Currently have a 12 year old suzuki bandit 1250 that is faultless, and goes like stink

£900 for a dash? They are having a laugh.Triumphs are way overpriced for a bike made in Thailand,rip off prices.

I had a brand new 2010 Triumph. Once the dealer had my money, they treated me like a nuisance. I was told not to ride it in anything other than sunshine as the finishes where poor and that I had 'an attitude problem' when I complained. I flogged it and bought a Japanese bike, no problems. Sad but true.

"That's why I like old bikes, it leads to conversations" Note to self: never buy an old bike

A proper honest review, too many glowing reviews of Triumphs by people who don’t actually own them and base it on a one hour test ride! None of these issues should be occurring with a basically new £12,000 bike. Headlight condensation is a basic failing.

Sorry to hear about your bad experience with the dealer. My local Triumph dealer in York has been a pleasure to deal with since day one. Just had one year service, some warranty work and new tyre and I'm over the moon with the work and the staff at the shop.

Thanks. I had enough money to choose practically any bike. I got a 650 V-Strom. I wondered if going down market was the right choice. 35000 km later after exactly zero problems, you've confirmed that I did. So far I've changed the oil and filter 7 times, adjusted the chain once, changed 3 tyres on it and washed off the bugs. One of the rubbers between the seat and the frame has gone walkabout. That's it.

I'm going to assume the dealer would be based in Long Eaton? If so, I'm also not a fan for the exact reasons you mentioned. I don't want attitude when dealing with a £10k+ purchase...

I’ve got two cheap Honda’s, both built in japan, both take a hammering, look a bit scruffy but mechanically sound and incredibly cheap to run ... no plans to change, modern bikes just getting too complex and electronic/computery.

Thank you for the heads up 👍 looks like I’ll be keeping my 2017 wee strom then 👍 I always fancied the XRX 🤷‍♂️👎 I knew Triumphs have been going down hill for a couple of years with different models but never realised it was that bad!😱 Safe riding, thanks again 👍

I've been riding a 1974 Norton Commando for over ten years with dozens of worry-free miles.

I've always liked the idea of owning a Triumph but I think I'll stick with my kawasaki versys 1000. Thanks for the insight 👍.

I love my Varadero. It may be 14 years old but it's built like a tank.

You're not the only one to have issues with Triumph. As someone who was considering a new Triumph< I did a lot of searching on the web and found major issues with Gearboxes as well as the issues you've outlined. It was enough for me to go elsewhere. Thanks for a great video

This information is the public service we need. It informs, helps avoid buyer remorse and should help wake the manufacturer up (feedback is a gift and all that). I'll stick with my lovely Honda though dealership observations are all too common. Thank you.

I Live in Spain, own a 2014 Street Triple 675r. I have to say I've always found the dealer exemplary. perhaps its just luck or maybe they take more pride in their service. I do jobs like oil changes myself. Just changed the air filter to a K&N plus I have just changed the coolant . The tyres are changed by a dedicated motorcycle tyre specialist who is completely 'geared up' for the needs of motorcycles.....(not damaging the wheels)....A dealers staff reflects the company image. If they neither don't realise that or simple don't care they deserve to go out of business

As an IAM Observer I get to speak to lots of bikers and unfortunately can confirm that your’s is not an isolated case, lots of Triumph owners seem to have issues. The only saving grace is that the dealer here in Manchester (Youle) seems to be pretty good. However by far the worse from a build quality perspective is BMW, I had a GS which I loved from a riding perspective but in the 1st year the engine and shaft drive were replaced due to the paint crazing leading to corrosion, two months later the exhaust system was replaced because the butterfly failed and is not replaceable on its own, twice it went in for the rear calliper to be stripped because it had seized and finally the cruise control packed in and the left switch cluster had to be replaced. All this in two years. When the dealer emailed me saying your warranty is about to expire, fetch your bike in so that we can replace any failing parts while they are still covered I was gob smacked! Even the dealers know what a bag of shit these bikes are. Again I have countless horror stories of failed ESA shocks, ABS units, piss poor paint etc. I’ve had lots Japanese bikes and none of them have had issues like these. I had a Yamaha Fazer thou that was abused for seven years, washed it once a year, serviced it less and it never missed a beat.

One of the reasons I chose my v strom 1050xt after 7 years of my Ducati multistrada 1000 was I want bulletproof Japanese reliability from my next bike, it's been a beautiful experience so far 🙂 I live in notts & commute by bike everyday always throw you & your learners a nod 🙂 , happy riding.

Good video , sorry to hear ur bike had so many problems .. i currently own a 2014 tiger 800 "bought new" and put 42k miles on it without a single issue n have no plans on selling it cause its such a good bike . Maybe triumph will get it right in 2020 n 21

I’ve heard so many people complain not just about reliability problems with Triumph but also the resistance encountered when problems arise that require warranty claims. I too really like their bikes but the brand reliability and running costs put me right off.

That's just sad. Its a really good bike and does it all. But when these kinds of things happens it just leaves a sour enough taste in you mouth that its not even worth it anymore. And for the price you would expect the quality and reliability.

Purchased a 2018 street triple in May with 4 k on it ,did 287 miles before the factory alarm cooked the tft instrument cluster and left me stranded .Got the bike recovered to a Triumph dealership who diagnosed the u/s instrument cluster £770 +vat + fitting.Bike now gone and will never buy a Triumph ever again ,they look good but low quality components let the brand down.

My 2015 made in Hinckley Tiger Explorer is still going strong, and it's sad to hear that their standards are dropping because it was the build quality of my bike that sold me on it, and after 5 years mine still looks like new (when i clean it sometimes) I've raised the hard seat con on one of my vids in the past, it's an utter exploit

Thays why i like hondas. Never top specs, always heavier and slower when compared to other brands but usually extremelly reliable on all kind of weather.

If the bevel box on a Rocket Three leaks oil it's a £1,000 plus job to repair as Triumph do not make this item serviceable or offer a Service Exchange Part. They will sell you a new Bevel Box though. The Dealer push back that you experienced was disgraceful, especially as these are a premium priced brand. Great to get real world opinions instead of the usual gushing press, too frightened to criticize lest they lose their perks.

I got myself a 2011 triumph tiger 800xc 6 months ago. Guess that gen was build in brithain. My bike has only 6500km on the odo and no gadgets to fail, not even ABS. Still have my 04 Vstrom650 in the garage, guess lm not going to sell it. To bad if Triumph has let quality drop, because when i worked in a dealership we had almost no warranty issues on triumph back then. Not more than the japanese brands we sold. Im a Suzuki man, but l wanted to try Triumph, so we have to see how this ends. I have seen people on youtube ride the tigers 100000 with no issues. Thanks for sharing sir.

Premium brand. Premium prices. Low budget parts and workmanship supported by dealerships that aren’t exclusively Triumph. They don’t care about your problem bike. It takes time away from the money-maker services like oil changes and brake jobs done on the reliable regular bikes. I had a 2011 Tiger 800 roadie (before they called it an XR) The muffler and brake rotor mounting bolts were rusted, and many of the metal fasteners had become “fuzzy.” All within three weeks(!) of ownership. I was told it was probably from tooling during assembly.(forhead slap...) I showed them pictures of my 8 year old VFR800 that they had taken as a trade in and sold the next day; NO rust or fuzz. Eventually the dealer relented and convinced Triumph to replace the rusted parts. The cam chain tensioner was problematic within the first year, less than 5000 km, but never sorted as the dealer felt, like you encountered, “it wasn’t that bad”. Curious. A faulty tip over sensor kept bringing a check engine light in and there was also an odd vibration and associated hum that evolved, noticeable when down shifting / engine braking. The replaced rusted parts were okay for about two more years before starting to show again. I got rid of the bike shortly thereafter. Awesome bike, just not worth the money, or aggravation.

Unfortunately a lot of triumph fan's are ditching the company with the new models due to them relocating abroad and the quality issues big big shame. I think they have pushed core buyer's away. Car industry is the same i see many cars that are the same but all got different badges. Do we even know what we are driving these days? Lol.🤣Old is gold😀👍

This craze for TFT dashes is doing my head in. How many 10-20 years old bikes are still on the road with clocks that work? How many present day bikes will still have working TFT dashboards in 10 years' time?

Oh dear....British Leyland springs to mind in this case unfortunately!

I had a Yamaha MT09 and had two different parts replaced under warranty. Japenese bikes have issues too!

I recently sold my 2018 Tiger 800 XCX. I loved the bike, but 2 things that influenced my decision to sell: 1) takes way too long to replace the air filter. Its buried under a lot of plastic and fairings. It can easily take over an hour. 2) Triumph doesnt sell paper service manuals. You have to buy an online subscription to access the service manual.

I Love it when they say no one else has had a problem.

Hi Rus, Had the exact same issues with my 2019 Triumph and have lost faith in the brand. Seems like the issues coincide with moving production abroad. However, that doesn’t explain the reluctance on the part of dealership or Triumph to provide appropriate levels of customer service and rectify the issues. Sticking with my Honda and BMW.

I had the 2018 xca, I also had the tft screen replaced , as it started showing water marks under the screen. After less than 3k the first discs had warped and had to be replaced. The front screen was scratched while at a service and I had no way to prove it......I did not go for a comfy seat and paid the price on a long tour......now have the 2020 Kawasaki 1000sx.....very happy.......

Thanks for the warnings... I now value my existing ZZR1400 far far more, especially with its analogue speedo...

Not surprised knowing the Bloor family behind it all. Thanks for sharing. Such a shame they let a such a great design team down with production short cuts and cons to part you with your cash. Always been Honda or Kawasaki for me.

I remember Missenden Flyer coming up through Matlock on His Peak District clip some years back (2015 ?) .. I thought it was the same street with all the bikes ..I had to come back and have another look at the begining of this clip ... If we ever get this Coved out or our system I have to come have a look ..Being a traditional potter I need to go to the Nottingham Museum to see its collection of 13th century English pots and Denby as well ... Also Haddon Hall is one I have always wanted to see ... Glad to have bikes in the middle of it all ..

Great video with a lot of helpful information 👌

"This seat isn't very comfy"... "No problem sir, we make one that is". "So why the fk isn't it on my bike then?". "So we can wring more readies from your skyrocket, of course!".

My tiger has a little of that rattle, but it's a 2013 with a 104k miles. Cam chain was out of spec at the 100k service, 4 exhaust valves were tight, and everything else was fine. Added a uni prefilter, 8 gallon safari tank, and heed crash bars. Ever since the tiger 800 came out they've been made in thailand. I did the 100k service myself as the dealer in washington said it would be $800 + parts.

I have a 2017 left over Street Scrambler that I got for a very good price in 2018.. Just under 13K miles on the clock now with mostly back road and dirt riding in New England farm country ... I have dropped it in the dirt once or twice and had to replace the shifter once .. I am amazed at how well the bike is holding up and glad for the high pipes so I can get at the chain .. (Had to get a dirt track chain after 6K ) I am gutted that the trade in value drops so quickly from serious use .. The bike is not bashed about but it has some love kisses here and there from the gravel and all ..Looking at a R Nine T BMW offered me $4500.00 for a bike I bought for $9500.00 two and a half seasons ago ... Looking at the 900 Tiger Triumph offered me the same .. I think I may just get some new shocks for the fun of it and ride this one into the 20'Ks or 30'Ks :) .. I sold a 1979 R80 I put 32 K miles on for a $1000.00 less than I bought her for ... Wish I never sold that one or the R69S ... Simple and bullet proof is what we are after .. . New England is only getting the Yamaha T700 from pre orders .. Having a short leg I cant run that 34 inch seat anyway :)

I had my heart set on a new 900 Tiger. To start with, you just can't get them at the moment, the waiting time is Feb of next year (2021). Then I went for a test ride. I was setup on the Tiger 900 GT Pro. The rear brake was non-existent and the clutch was so badly adjusted it was awful to use. The seat had not been put back properly after the last test ride and that exposed the beginnings of rust around the front seat mounting point. The dealer was entirely unbothered by the whole thing. I am no longer looking for a Triumph.

First? Dunno. Nice one Russ, always good to see you uploading

Mirrors my experience, almost exactly. I had a 1200 Explorer, great to ride, great looking, but horrendous build quality. The only Triumph I have had in 40+ years of motorcycle ownership, never again.

Nice video Russ. I've got a 2016 Street triple which I've from new which has had a rough ride in places as well. It was fine for the first 10000 miles and then things started to change. Mine rattles as well (particularly on a hot day). It doesn't fill you full of confidence! When I had the big 12000 mile service done I had to have steering head race bearings changed. Turned out that they hadn't greased them at the factory!! Luckily this was replaced under Triumph after a lot of pushing by dealer even though it was out of warranty. My dealer was very angry with Triumph and demanded that it was replaced! My clutch started rattling after 10000 miles. At very low revs (2500-3500) when you were initially coming off the clutch it would rattle (like a Ducati dry clutch) until you got up to 4000. Nasty at town speeds. The mechanic and the dealer were not happy with it at the 12000 mile service, told me to keep an eye on it and tell them if it got worse and it did. When I did tell them (500 miles/3 months later), then same efforts had to be put in by the dealer to get it replaced to Triumph. Triumph said a stupid comment to the dealer that "I hadn't done a lot of miles compared to previous years/when I had serviced it?!" No wonder!! I thought the clutch was going to crap itself. It shouldn't have gone in that time and I baby the bike around anyway; I'm a very steady rider. No clutch up wheelies and hard getaways for me! Luckily after around a month and a half a new clutch came in free of charge and with the dealers consent I fitted it all myself using the Triumph manual to the letter. The clutch basket was worn and the selector bearing was rumbly as hell!!! It was perfect at first, and a bit abrupt, but it has become noisier but a lot more progressive, so I just wish that its just bedded in now properly and it stays that way. I've done almost 2000 miles on it. I am a big lover of Triumphs (along with my Dad), we've had 4 over the years (Bonneville, Thunderbird 900, Sprint RS, Street Triple, Street Twin) but not one of them has filled us with complete confidence at times with whether they are quality products. With personal experience Triumph seems to have changed more recently with their "atmosphere" in dealerships and at shows. In 2005 when my Dad bought a new Sprint RS they seemed concerned and aimed at trying to resolve the issue and seemed down to earth and approachable. They have this air of arrogance about them now that they know best and can't take criticism. I've gone for a design engineer job at the factory in the past and I got it there as well. You can sell a bike on a heritage but once you lose confidence and loyalty, it doesn't matter how good something might be in the future it will hard to get someone back.

Got a fair bit of experience with Triumphs. Here's my experience (all bought new - yes I'm a bit of a fanboy) 2012 Thunderbird - 22000 miles, no issues 2015 Trophy - 15000 miles - front electrical harness replaced under warranty, at dealers for a week, lent same model courtesy bike, no further issues 2017 Explorer XRX low 17000 miles - electrical problems, turned out to be a loose earth strap - no further issues 2018 Tiger 1200 (still own) 20000 miles - fuel sender replaced under warranty - gearbox, 6th gear won't engage, now out of warranty for 6 months, waiting to see if Triumph will offer good will fix 2020 Rocket 3 GT (still own) 6000 miles, no issues yet Also have a Thunderbird Commander that I bought second hand, 17000 miles no issues. So most were simply solved with no problems afterwards. The one that pisses me off is the Tiger 1200 gearbox, as otherwise it's fantastic bike that I've been all over Europe on. I wait with bated breath to see what Triumph will offer.

I had tiger 800 11y,30000 on clock,add 18000 never had single problem.best bike I had

Very informative video, I have never been a fan of the TFT screens so I'm glad I got the 2017 model, haven't had any condensation issues and the control buttons haven't shown any signs of wear but they are different to the new ones. Will certainly be listening out for that cam chain noise, thanks for the warning.

30+ year old Kawasaki and I can still read the switch gear .

I had an 800 Tiger back in 2012 and got rid of it after a year. 6 warranty claims for electronic issues and a dealer with attitude issues meant I'd run out of patience. I bought a Z1000SX then an R1200GS, the bikes and the dealers have been flawless. Won't entertain a Triumph at all now after a friends Tiger 1050 had several brake faults under warranty too.

i did 4700 km on my new Tiger 900 GT & i love it; no problem so far; stock seat is very comfortable even full day long rides. I really enjoy the bike. I hope the Tiger 900 wont have so much problems like your Tiger 800 got! Cheers & best regards from Montreal.

Always makes me laugh when, as you order your new machine, the dealer recommends a plethora of add-ons that are a 'must have'. I too find myself thinking "if they're so necessary why didn't the thieving manufacturer put them on as original equipment then"? Such as :Comfort seat; Radiator guard; Heated Grips, Aftermarket exhaust; Double bubble screen; Bar risers; Decent tyres; Crash bobbins......

This is why Russ, when I buy a bike, number 1 it must have a carburettor and number 2 No bloody electronics! Coz back then they made bikes to last and I can work on them myself!

I think this is just what happens with new bike or cars now. Everytime I've bought new I'm in and out the garage. I think because they sell them with a warranty they know they can just sort most the quality issues once it's been sold. Royal Enfield is surprisingly the only vehicle I've got new that had no issues.

I have three modern Triumphs: a 2009 Street Triple R, a 2018 Tiger 800 XRT, and a 2019 Speed Twin. All three have been 100% reliable with only the Street Triple needing a regulator/rectifier and gearbox part recall many years ago. I am completely satisfied with the brand, and have nothing but praise for the engineering and quality of the machines.

I have a 1995 sprint 900 made at Hinckley and do the maintenance myself together with Haynes manual, drives and steers fine. Great engine and never any problems with this Triumph!

Thx for your honest review, had a 2011 Triumph 800XC so pre TFT - and have to say this was up there as my favorite bike together with my current XJR1300 also the 2011 model. Had the 800GS and sold it on quickly - what a disappointment and like with you the service was just a disgrace. I now ride my XJR1300 and found a great little garage in town to service it so happy now.

Just watched the first two minutes of this before being unable to stop from blurting out that IMHO the motorcycle world needs to go back to dual analogue clocks.

I bought my third Tiger 800 on PCP - the current one is an XRT - in March 2019. Within 50 miles of careful riding, a valve return spring had become unseated. Warranty. Then I did a superb trip from Doncaster to Munich (and on to Austria’s fabulous alpine Grossgocknerstrasse) in July and August 2019. The bike performed very well till we were about to set off back home. My German host noticed oil on the floor by the front forks, which had dripped on to the front brakes and tyre. Very dangerous. We cleaned it up but had to take it to a local Triumph dealer. The seal in one of the front shock absorbers had broken and they couldn’t repair it without ordering a part. So we had to bandage it up and limped slowly back home. At this point the bike was only 5 months old with only around 2,000 miles on the clock. A previous Tiger 800 had to have the engine management system replaced (under warranty). All this had made me lose my trust in the bike for longer jaunts. I didn’t ride it through last winter. Then lockdown came. I started it every month to check all was well. In June it wouldn’t start at all. Apparently it needed a new battery, which I had to pay for as it wasn’t covered under the warranty. I’ve written to Triumph on three occasions but they’ve just ignored me. I don’t trust Triumph now. I love the design but they have serious issues with quality control, either in assembly or in the parts themselves. I won’t be getting another Triumph when this PCP runs out in March 2022. What a great way to trash a brand that I had really been drawn to since I first started riding in the 1970s! 😡 Sorry you’ve had similar issues.

I had a Landrover Defender and loved it dearly, but after 10 years i had enough of oil under the car, not knowing, wether it would start in the morning. Now i drive a BMW X1and everything is fine. Never become a victim of the hype again.

I have thought for a longtime Triump has lot the plot. They are too expensive as well. Thats why I have bought an RE Interceptor. Great value for money!

F800GS owner here. I always looked at the Tiger as an equal. Such a shame to hear all the problems they’ve been plagued with lately.

Thank you for honest information. Many reviewers of new bikes are very optimistic, but first of all they are given new bikes with low mileage and secondly in my country they are often somehow in official or unofficial relations with dealers or importers.

I had a brand new in 2001 Triumph Sprint St for 16 years and did 46,000 miles with no troubles at all. Changed in 2017 for a lighter bike but would have loved to have kept the Triumph. Sorry to hear the standards have dropped so far.

Very enlightening... thanks for the info, I have definately taken this on board. 👍🖖

I think I'll stay with my Japanese friends. Would love a triumph, but this is scary..

Sorry to hear about your experiences. The customer service sounds particularly poor. I have a 2015 Tiger 800 XRX, my third Triumph. Triumph is not the only manufacturer to outsource to Thailand. My first bike was a Thai manufactured Honda. My engineer friend has just had a nightmare with his Honda VFR1200 Crosstourer with siezed engine bolts. Simple alloy on steel corrosion that locks them solid and meant he couldn't fit his new sumpguard after the first two bolts were siezed and he didn't fancy drilling and heli-coiling them all. He also pointed to the fact that the quality stamp on Honda bolts is poorer than it used to be. All bikes have their issues and QC seems to be a problem for many manufacturers at the moment.

The best reason to go to Matlock Bath. Chatting to total strangers about bikes like you're old mates

Disappointing to hear, here was me thinking Triumph had turned a corner with quality issues/control of late

Super tenere for me then. Love the tft displays BMW have on their later gs bikes, but give me analogue dials please because I don't want these issues ever.

I'm truly sorry for you the Tiger 800 is a lovely bike to ride. I have been riding for 50 years & learn from your channel all the time thank you. I have a 2018 Tiger 800XCA. It blew the Oxygen Sensor on day 1 leaving the dealership. Other than that I've had no problems. Most of the time I ride once a week /fortnight mainly on unsealed roads & for several hundred km. The rpm seems to sit around 4 - 5,000 depending. I ride with a lot of sympathy for the engine. Sounds like I've been lucky. I took out an extended warranty. I did alter a lot of things for off-road riding even though the XCA is the top of the range off-road model. A lot more emphasis on styling than practicality by Triumph. No problem with the seat although I'm thinking about adding height as I'm 6'4" and the old legs are over bend when going from sitting to standing. I've lowered the pegs by 15mm. another 15m on the seat would be good.

Exactly the same problem with the Tracer 900 seat,I've started using an airhawk cushion.

I bought the Tiger 800XCA in 2018, brand new with all extras. The dealer had lied about the bike, I'd tested the XRT and was after that but was talked into the XCA as being the same but with many of the extras as standard plus spoked wheels, unfortunately I'm a short arse. They hadn't fitted the windscreen right so a bolt came off while riding. The front badge came off. The screen kept failing. The lights kept faulting. Randomly the engine would cut out. The switch gear needed changing. The clutch needed doing. The heated grips needed replacing. A bolt for the pannier mount was never fitted. All of these issues and more in just 6,000 miles of ownership. The dealership were just devious bastards throughout as well. Tried to blame triumph for items that they did as part of pre-sales and for things they'd signed as checked. Almost impossible to get the thing on its centre stand either. When it worked I loved it but it knocked my riding confidence so much worrying it wasn't going to cut out randomly until that got fixed. A huge shame really. I had to get rid of it and due to how much it lost in value had more outstanding on the loan than I got for it (now doubt due to documented problems) so now I've got a cheap 4 year old Honda and it's bringing my confidence right back.

Hi Pete here, you have given me a Delema? I have put a deposit on a Tiger 800 low 2018 model with many extras 8226 mile! On the clock, At 12000 miles that is later this year it will need an expensive £650 Service! I love the look of the TFT screen and the fact that both my feet are also securingley low on the ground! The other option is i also put a small deposit to secure the Brand new 2022 Honda 500X but cant have this until delivery date 1st week in July! It does 65 to the gallon when the triumph only does 45, but By then I will have missed lots of early Honda rides! The triumph also has cruise control, engine Bars top box, heated grips, coloured larger tft screen, and a lower seat! Would appreciate anyone including Roadcraft to give me your choice here? Many thanks Ponty Pete!

I have I tiger 800... Taking it to the mechanic soon, it's probably leaking on the header pipes, and the cam chain sounds like yours. Service done 4 months ago, solenoid and battery replaced 1 month ago since bike wasn't starting and now this... As soon as it's fixed will be up for sale. I'll switch for a Kawa

I understand that a lot of people are reconsidering the Triumphs, but this is one video review. I’ve personally had multiple Triumphs for over twenty years without any major issues like I did with my KTM. I’m not saying Triumph is the best or without their issues, but don’t let one video sway your decision. Many brands are being outsourced these days. It’s just the way it is. Older models are definitely the way to go if you want to avoid that.

Watching this on the cusp of buying a leftover ‘19 Tiger 800; think I’ll be on the cusp a tad longer . . . thanks!

Think I will stick with my 1970 Triumph 650, I have had it for 43yrs and still going strong.

You can’t beat Japanese bikes for quality and reliability, I’ve got a yam tracer 900 and it’s faultless. I like the look of the tiger 1200 but I don’t think I’d get one.

You made exactly the same comments about the seat that I made about my Bonneville T120. On that bike also the suspension was dreadful as was the snatchy throttle. I moved on to a Speedmaster and have just got rid of that after a year due to potential gearbox problems on water cooled Bonnevilles. I’m now riding a Honda VFR800F, I won’t have another Triumph, too many issues.

I experienced a similar problem with a street triple r nine months old engine issues culminating In the engine being stripped diagnosed faulty valve buckets I lost faith as well and traded it in Similar issues with a Thruxton faulty sensor engine lights came on went back to the garage I was never informed as to the problem like you I loved both bikes but my confidence was shot I to worry about the quality control particularly now these bikes are being produced abroad It does not surprise me when I read that Royal Enfield sales are on the increase I owned a gt continental for a while and was very Impressed with the quality of the bike when you realise how much they cost No electronics to go wrong

I know 4 people with the 800 and all been 100% ok, I have the 1200 XRt (2018 with 18k miles) and although there have been a few warranty issues I have the same switch gear - no problems, same lights - problems, same indicators, no problems, TFT dash - no problems. I guess you must have had a Friday afternoon bike. I also have a 2006 1050 Sprint, 73k miles, no problems.... don't write the brand off completely.

2 years ago, I bought a '65' plate XrX Tiger 800 from a non franchise dealer in Manchester area, which had virtually all the things on it, that I was after, for a touring bike and it was mint. The comfort seat(totally agree your seat comments), centre stand, slightly taller screen, bash plate and a few others. It had a genuine 608 miles, when I bought it(illness from 1st owner). On my first ride, I found the cruise control would not activate. I went to my nearest Triumph main dealer, Blade in Cheltenham, and they agreed a new switchgear was required, which was around 200 quid fitted and that cured the problem. The selling dealer reimbursed me no problem. Winter arrived and so it was not used until spring 2019. I have a number of other bikes, including a Yamaha MT10. Each time I wanted to go for a ride, I kept choosing the MT10, with which I am utterly besotted. I've had bikes for 55 years and know quite quickly, whether I like them or not and I just could not 'Gel' with the Tiger, as it buzzed through the bars, giving numb fingers after about 30 odd miles. The bike looked fantastic in blue, but I just couldn't 'fall in love ' with it, so I sold it about 6 weeks ago with 1024 miles on the clock having only done 400 odd miles on it. The other point, which I should have known about, was there were Union Flags on the bike and lots in the paperwork and yet it's made in Thailand. I didn't see anything in Triumph's 'blurb' about it being made in Thailand. Anyway, liked your video style.

Sounds like not much has changed since the 955 sprint then. Genuinely lovely bike to ride, but the joy soon fades when you have to deal with the horrible plastic construction, poor parts support, indifferent dealers. Triumph = high maintenance design with most procedures calling for a triumph special tool that is expensive AND out of production. Don't be fooled by the nice paint and exotic materials on the outside, all the parts that matter are plastic. Love ya videos Russ, keep em coming!

I would love to like Triumph!

At the Trabant factory in east germany was a sign" things that aren't there, can't be broken." More electronic you get,the more trouble you have. My 650 v strom ,4 years 40000 km, from sicily to netherland not one problem. Changed the rear break plate once. In front still fine. 8500 € in 2016 with luggage and 12 volt.

Your dealers service dept sounds exactly like mine here in the US.

I had a 2012 Explorer, it made me realise quite quickly that it wasn't for me. I know they are "better" now, but the brand is one that I won't go near again.

Made abroad and touted as a proud to be British product... #SHAME_IS_FREE

I own a 2010 Triumph 675 STR with lots of mods. Do my own service work now has 60,000 kms and it handles better and is faster than when new. Installed an upgraded R/R and fixed a power supply problem in the ignition harness. Love this bike, wickedly fast and the handling is impeccable. Unfortunately in this day-and-age design engineers are grossly violating the KISS rule and motorcycles in general are becoming overly complicated inviting the inevitable Murphy's Law. Btw Japanese bikes have their share of problems if you check out some bike forums. My advice to any motorcyclist is to purchase a Haynes manual so they can learn all about the innards of their bike.

I've been looking at a Tiger 800 XC 2011 model the past few days. Prior to that I was planning to go with a Kawasaki Versys 650 around the same year model. I could also go for a V-Strom 650, but a friend of mine has one, and it would be more fun to have different bikes so we can try out each of the bikes... I really started to think much of the Triumph lately though, as the price for this particular one wasn't too high, and it got more off-road capabilities. However, after I've stumbled upon these real insight reviews, I think I'll stick to a more reliable Versys 650, even though it doesn't sound as good, nor perform as well off-road as the Tiger. It just seems like a safer option to be honest.

I won't be running out to buy a Trident 660 any time soon !

I have now owned 4 triumphs, only 1 has been trouble free. My 2019 800 xca is currently having the cam chain tensioner and the throttle position sensor replaced. This is at 5000 miles!!

I have a Tiger 800XRt with 46000 miles , i traveled across mexico and many places in the USA, i also own 2 other bikes, there's no other bike that i love and trust more than my Tiger....for the record, i did my 1000 mile in 24Hr challenge on my tiger, is the most comfortable bike i have , so unfortunate that you deal with these problems and a crappy dealership...

2013 Triumph street triple all good here. Newer ones for sure aren’t made the same!

Good video talking to two owners separately both big problems with gearbox & engine both got initial fob off from dealers till both went thru in detail what was wrong citing mechanical issues

Thanks for this RN I was on the cusp of changing my BMW F750gs for one of these "bad boys " I previously owned a Tiger 1050 sport and loved it. It was a quality bike. However it appears that Triumphs cost cutting and outsourcing to Thailand have actually had a detrimental effect on the quality of the brand. I think I will stick with the Beemer. Cheers for your input.