270 Winchester Long Range Test (165 ABLR) 

Well the 6.5 PRC off camera struggled on the smaller plate

Browning has a 26” barrel 270 with 1 in 7.5” twist. Thats what I would be buying right now if I wasn’t buying all the bitcoin I can.

​@@YotacivBitcoin🤣🤣🤣 Good one.

270 Win, 26" barrel for the Win, any day!

Browning 270 Win, 26" barrel gets it done !

The real gunsmith said "a 270 Winchester is damn near a magnum with a 26" barrel"... If guys are getting 3k with a 165 that's going to be one of the "best out west" guns!

@@jackbuendgen389 Yes you have reason!

@@jackbuendgen389I watch Randy Selby as well. Awesome info from him. Brownings max long range sounds awesome

I bet these heavy 165 gr .270's are pricey as hell

Haha yeah

Pretty soon he’ll have a 300 Weatherby for sale Ron! lol 😂

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👨‍⚖ Truthfully, If I Were to Buy Another Magnum Rifle, It Would Be The...270 Winchester! 😂 Just Kidding...It Would Be the 300 WBY Magnum! 🤑 It Has Proven Itself All Around The Globe, Against the Biggest of Game Animals That I Will Likely Ever Shoot and Gets The Performance Advertised! 🎯 It is Truely An Impressive Cartridge! 🏆

I’ve never owned a Weatherby cartridge. I owned a 300 Winchester magnum for a while when I was younger but didn’t see a lot of upside from the 30/06 for the extra recoil I was getting 🤷🏻‍♂️

🤕 Yep, to me it just isn't worth the Additional Recoil and I've owned Alot Bigger Magnums than the 300 WM, but haven't noticed alot of difference in the results on the "expiration time" of the animals! And, I have taken Elk to over 500 yards and Deer to 850 yards with it! So, to me, the 30-06 is as Big as a Cartridge as I will "Ever Need" to hunt with, regarding North American Big Game Animals! Plus, the Tolerable Recoil Lends Itself to Shooting Accuracy! The same could also be said of the 30-06's "Offspring" too - Very Pleasant to Shoot and Very Effective on Game Animals! 😃

When I started elk hunting (I live in Utah) I chose a .270 win in a Browning Abolt. Several .270’s were used in our elk camp to harvest our elk. Bear in mind that resident tags were spike tags with the odd bonus cow permit. I have harvested Colorado elk with the .270 as well; 130 gr Partitions at 3000 fps work very well.

*300 dollar rifle

Did you ever have any success??

I didn't know Nosler was still making the 160 partition I have only saw them in the 150 grain

🕵️‍♂️ Do you want to know the difference at 500 yards, between the two in a 24" barrel? The Difference Between the 270 Winchester (165 Grain Nosler ABLR bullet) and the 280 AI (168 Grain Nosler ABLR bullet) is pretty similar to the Difference between the 280 AI and 7mm Remington Magnum! About 1" difference in drop at 500 yards, 0.1" in wind drift, and 80 ft lbs of terminal energy! But, at what expense? Austin's Load (because I already asked him the grains of powder that he was using) will use 13% less powder than the 280 AI and 19% less powder than the 7 mm Remington Magnum - Which translates to basically the same % in felt recoil energy (ft lbs)! So, is a 2" difference in drop, a 0.2" difference in Wind Drift (10 mph cross wind), and a 160 ft lbs in Terminal Energy at 500 yards Worth Absorbing About 20% More Recoil? 🤪 Not to me! 🤯

🕵️‍♂️ So, Jess, I actually just got finished caliculating the 7mm prc! But, if we look at the Nosler Online Manual, what we see is that the are actually closer in performance! With 65 grains of H4831 powder, the 7mm Remington Magnum actually gets 2,920 ft/s! Now, I asked Austin about his load and he said that he used the 160 grain Nosler Partition data to help him develop it! He said that his loads were 53.5 gr and 54.5 grains of H4831SC powder! He got 2,811 ft/s from a 22" barrel, so if we add 50 ft/s to bring it up to a 24" barrel, or 2,861 ft/s! But, with about 59 grains of Reloader 26, you can get that up to 2,900+ ft! Looking at the 280 AI data also, we see that with the 175 grain bullet - which is slightly longer (1.54"), and using 59 5 grains of Reloader 26, you can get 2,930 ft/s! But going back to the powder comparison of the 270 Winchester and the 7mm Remington Magnum (a more stable/temperature resistant powder) - the difference in powder charge = 1 - (54.5 grains/65 grains) x 100% = 16.15 % more powder (or 10.5 grains) to get an additional 59 ft/s in velocity! ☹ Now, if we calculate recoil in a 7lb rifle for both (which is the current weight of mine, fully scoped and slinged), the what we get as a difference in Recoil is 25.53 ft lbs (for the 7mm RM) - 21.57 ft lbs (for the 270 WM)! This is actually 15.5% more Recoil for the 7mm Remington Magnum! So, Now, let me actually run the Ballistics Numbers, for comparison....🤖:

First, using my "Typical Hunting Conditions Data" for both (Elevation = 8,000 ft, Relative Humidity = 20%, Temperature = 32 F, Zero = 200 yards): For the 7mm RM (168 grain Nosler ABLR bullet B.C. of 0.616, 65 grains of H4831powder, and a MV = 2,920 ft/s) - Drop @ 500 yards = - 35.2", Wind Drift = (10 mph crosswind) = -10.4", Energy = 2,027 ft lbs, Velocity = 2,352 ft/s! Buy comparison, the 270 Winchester (Using the165 Nosler ABLR bullet with a B.C. of 0.62, 54.5 grains of H4831SC powder, and a MV =2,861 ft/s) - Bullet Drop @ 500 yards = - 36.7", Wind Drift (10 mph cross wind) = - 10.6", Energy = 1944 ft lbs, Velocity = 2,303 ft/s! Now, if we wanted to use Reloader 26 and get the Velocity up to 2,900 ft/s, then the difference would be Drop @ 500 yards = -35.6, Drift = -10.4, Energy = 2,002 ft lbs, Velocity = 2,338 ft/s! Now, Why did I mention the 280 AI and Reloader 26? Because both the 270 and 280 AI Have the same SAMMI psi pressure ratings, unlike the 7mm Remington Magnum that does not! Additionally, that extra 6% of unused powder space in the 280 AI can be fully utilized by the 270 Winchester with that same powder! What you will see, as you go to the bigger cartridges- including the 7mm Remington Magnum- is Just because they have bigger cases, doesn't mean that they can utilize that extra space before hitting their maximum pressure limitations! So, it is essentially unused/wasted space and also doesn't lend itself to accuracy (because you get an uneven powder distribution and ignition, when you lay the cartridge on its side)! So, is 59 ft of extra velocity, 1.5" difference (I said 2" yesterday, so it is actually less here) in bullet drop at 500 yards, 0.2" difference bullet drift at 500 yards (I said 0.2" yesterday), 83 ft lbs of energy (I said 80 ft lbs, so my estimate was very close) worth an extra 16% more powder used and 15.5% more recoil? 😬 I don't personally think so! 🤕

🤪 I am not sure why my text was cut off, but that 7mm velocity number was 2,352 ft/s! 🤷‍♂️

It also cut off my 270 calculations! So, using 54.5 grains of H4831SC powder, the 165 grain Nosler ABLR bullet (B.C. of 0.62), and the 270 Winchester Muzzle Velocity of 2,861 ft/s, we get - Bullet Drop = -36.7", Wind Drift = - 10.6", Energy = 1,944 ft lbs, Velocity = 2,303 ft/s!

How do you know this is a positive video for the 270 Win?

🤷‍♂️ I don't and never said that! But, I'm Not Going to be shooting at 700 yards either and that isn't the reason that I want to shoot the 165 grain Nosler ABLR's out of My 270 Winchester! I think the 165 grain bullet would be a "Great Timber Elk Load"! For open country, I have already found that the 150 grain Nosler ABLR bullet will shoot a 1 1/4" 5 shot group, at 300 yards, out of my hunting rifle - without me even "fine tuning it" yet! 🥳 Thus, that combination will be pretty hard to beat! 🤑

🤷‍♂️ Don't You Like My "Name Change" Suggestion? 😂

@@ronlowney4700 No. Haha

🕵️‍♂️ There Are more 270 Fans Out There Than Weatherby Fans...So,, If You Want to "Grow the Brand", Then You've Got to Know Your Audience! 😃

Use H4831SC. I don't remember my Dope

What elevation are you at? Elevation plays a very large roll in getting them to stabilize

350 ft above sea level

Haha no

See...😂

Keep me updated

A 270 wby factory chambered in a #1, sweeeeetttt !!

@@allen4758 It’s a great rifle and I know where another one is in a pond shop !……

I think it stabilizes enough... should be okay with all rifles

@@ReloadingWeatherby thx. I might try some someday.

Your rifle will be just fine

The bullet was flatter than I thought. Initial shots were high. It could have been that I was off with velocity... data called for 18 MOA. I found success at 17 MOA.

Thanks

Do it

16x power and 22 inch barrel.

Nice

Unfortunately I don't have the recording anymore. I'm sorry

@@ReloadingWeatherby Ok, dont worry and thanks.

Possibly higher velocity

I'm using H4831SC

​how many grains you putting in?. I had someone quckload It said max would be 56.5. I've got some loaded up at 54-56 grn. Sounds pretty stout to me. Starting to question

I've heard it can be a picky bullet. Hasn't been the case with my rifle. As I said I'm getting below Half MOA with it.

You just have to load short. The ablr likes jump. Really likes jump! 😂 start at .070 and don’t be surprised if you end up at .120-.150 off the lands. They’ll drive tacks, but it seems they have to be under .005 which is not a good idea for hunting, or way out there in weatherby land.

2800 FPS

It's not a stress mark

I know of him... but I haven't read his stuff

I used the 160 gr Nosler data as a reference. Start low and work up

@@ReloadingWeatherbyawesome, yea I found it. Hopefully works out for me!

Yes

@@ReloadingWeatherby I've been thinking about a 270 and a Savage rifle. Is yours free floated? I looked at one today that was not...not close. Perhaps I just need to find one that is. The price is hard to beat!

@clayp520 Mine is "free floated" but it's not a good free floated rifle

Hi!

I assume you mean the 270 Win with the 165 ABLR? 50 gr of what powder?

@@ReloadingWeatherby yes that's correct with h-4831

I put a $20 replacement spring in the trigger. Made the trigger go from 6 pounds to less than 1 pound. Made a world of difference. That is the only thing I've done to the rifle.

​@@ReloadingWeatherbythat's all you need leave it alone the money spent on all the changes is not worth the return in the rigs accuracy

If he is hitting a small target at 700 yds , why would you change the barrel ?…..

This was at 6800 ft

@@ReloadingWeatherby That might be why the bullet is stabilizing in your 10" twist. It might not work at lower elevations.

@@451whitworth4 Elevation helps. But another RU-vid channel is shooting the same bullet out of his 270WSM at 1000 ft with no issues. Frontline Rejects is the channel

@@ReloadingWeatherby Interesting. Thanks

At 5000 ft of elevation this specific bullet in my gun won't have issues until 1200 yards. With that being said I shot at 6800 ft in this video. And when I use this for hunting I will be hunting at no lower than 8000 ft. Most likely around 10,000 ft. I believe this bullet is 1.51 inches long, someone already did the calculations for me and told me I was good out to 1200 yards at 5000 ft.

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You think it will stabilize at or below sea level Austin??? After seeing this I'm really thinking about selling my Bergara or Cva 6.5 prc to get a tikka 270 wsm was like it's no point in a 270wsm since 6.5 prc shoots same weights 130 to 150 gr but that 165ablr will make it worth it no need for 2 prc

😂 Actually, if you watch the difference in downrange Terminal Performance between the two cartridges - at the times 3:30 and 4:30 - I would say " No Need at All For Any 6.5 prc", especially if you plan to hunt elk and other big critters! The 270 Winchester is simply the better cartridge for that! 😃

@jmgates09 I think it will. Go check out Frontline Rejects channel. He shoots the 165 ABLR in his 270 WSM with very good accuracy

Nice

I used Nosler 160 gr data. It worked well for my rifle.

@@ReloadingWeatherby sounds good to me did u use exact or backed off at all prolly wouldn’t have to starting load and watch pressure

@@ThemantleofElijah Exact. I hit pressure as soon as I loaded over what the book says

@@ReloadingWeatherby k I will just start at the starting load, was accuracy good only when pushed faster?

@@ThemantleofElijah I was near the top, best accuracy was 1 grain below max.

Go for it

H4831SC

What data would you like to know? Velocity= 2750 FPS Energy= 2771 ft.lbs As far as energy goes for elk you retain 1500 ft.lbs out to 650 yards.

Wow that’s amazing. Hope you find a way to sell those rounds. I’ll definitely be in line to buy them

@@ReloadingWeatherby Not being a reloader are you selling these rounds and will they work in a standard twist 270 win barrel?

To shoot elk should not shoot more then 300 yards according to ballistics on 270 maybe 350 if your above average in skill

@@ReloadingWeatherby That will do the job.

Glad you enjoyed it

@@ReloadingWeatherby Also a great cartridge! ;)

.270 for the win 🏆 still one of my favorites. 👊😎🇺🇸

So I punched the numbers and at 775 yards the 6.5 PRC has more energy... barely. I guess the weight of the heavier bullet is providing more impact energy for the 270 Win. The 165 is also going almost 100 FPS slower than the 143 at 775. So... numbers on paper don't always tell the full story.

😉 It Never Does! ☹ But, Thanks for Providing the Video Evidence of the Obvious Difference in Terminal Bullet Performance! 😁👍 If It was a Real Animal, instead of a Gong, the 270 (Using that 22 grains Heavier Nosler ABLR Bullet) would Also Show a "Noticeable Difference" in Terminal Performance on the Animal, compared to the 6.5 prc's ELD-X bullet too! Another Factor to consider, for example, is Alot of those "Magnums" - like the 7mm Remington Magnum - Don't Do Well With Temperature Stable Powders and Also Can't Utilize All of Their Case Capacity, Before Hitting their Designed Pressure Limits (Especially When Those Limits are Lower than the 270 Winchester's 65,000 psi SAMMI Limit, by Comparison)! So, when it comes hunting season and those "Book Velocity Numbers" that were measured at "Room Temperature" for those Magnums are "No Longer Valid" - because it is Below Zero in Places Where I Hunt and the powder doesn't combust nearly as well/consistantly - thus, Causing a Loss in Energy, Bullet Velocity, and Accuracy! Thus, the 270 Winchester (Using the H4831SC) Comes Alot Closer to their Performance, than What the "Reloading Book Says", With Alot Less Powder! Also, when you are using those "Non-Stable" powders, the Accuracy goes to Hell from Velocity Variations/Temperature Swings! So, Yesterday, I ran "Some Numbers" for Jess with the 270 Winchester vs. the 7mm Remington Magnum (I did this for the 7mm prc and 280 AI too, with similar results in comparing them to the 270 Winchester), both using H4831/H4831SC powder (and using the 165 grain Nosler ABLR for the 270 Win and the 168 grain Nosler ABLR for the 7mm RM)! The 7mm Remington Magnum Needs 10.5 grains more H4831 powder to get an additional 59 ft/s velocity (or only a gain of only 5.6 ft/s, per grain of powder gain)! So, What is the Tradeoff? Is the Additional 83 ft lbs in Terminal Bullet Energy at 500 yards, a 1.5 inch Difference in Bullet Drop at 500 yards, and a 0.2 inch Difference in Wind Drift (using a 10 mph cross wind) at 500 yards - Worth using 16% more powder and enduring 15% additional recoil (and affecting your shooting accuracy)? 🤕 NOPE, I DON'T THINK SO! 🤪

😃 You Were Definitely Right About One Thing - the Use of Heavier Bullets in the 270 Winchester is "DEFINITELY" a "Game Changer"! 😎 I bet Chuck is getting Heartburn over this latest video too! 😂 Here is another Great Thing, Now You have a "Bullet Load" that You can use on anything from antelope and deer to elk and moose, because the 165 grain weight bullet is such a "nice balance" in weight for ALL of Your North American Big Game Species! 🏆

Another example of why ( WE DON’T NEED ALL THESE NEW CARTRIDGES ) !….. It’s all about selling new rifles !…….

65-70

2750 FPS

Thx. That's even cooler. Same velo as 150 eldx in 7mm08...I think, but with a 165g!

Elevation seems to be the reason why my rifle will shoot these well.

Doesn't exist. 270 Win should have been originally designed around a 1:8 twist, but they just didn't have the same knowledge back then. It's the downfall of the cartridge. Someone will eventually get smart and figure out all the light bullets will shoot just as well our of the faster spin and make a faster twist barrel for heavier bullets. Till then shooting bullets over 150 grains (most 270s are a 140 max grains) is about as good as you will get.

2750 FPS

@@ReloadingWeatherby with that high BC bullet be devastating elk load. Gonna try loads with mine. Never loaded with a round above 150 grain for 270 win so this should be interesting.

@@patriotichunter6434 What elevation are you at? This works because I'm at 5100 feet.

@@ReloadingWeatherby home is 2703 elevation but I hunt a lot from 3500-6000 and have gone higher occasionally. I use 270 win locally for whitetail, pigs and exotics( I live in Texas so year round exotic and pig hunts). I have browning xbolt western hunter 270 win that I love so curious to see if can get decent load for mine with that heavy bullet that will stabilize. Mine loves 140 accubond with rl19 but not maxed powder so getting 2950s. But it’s sub moa with that load.

@@patriotichunter6434 That will work. I've seen it be successful as low as 1400 feet.

2700 FPS up to 2800 FPS with the 165 gr ABLR depending on powder.

@@ReloadingWeatherby - I was hoping for a bit faster. Thinking this puts us in the 308 space with a 165.

@@steverutkowski8141 Has a lot higher b.c. though

I originally tested these bullets at 5000 ft. In the video I'm at 6800 ft. I have a friend that has gotten the same success at 1400 ft with this bullet in a 270WSM. With that being said I've had a few report they can't get the bullet to stabilize around sea level

@ReloadingWeatherby sounds like the polymer tip must help it behave like a shorter bullet. I just shot my first 165 ABLR hand loads from my 6.8 Western and had excellent accuracy. Should be a good hunting bullet

My stability factor is 1.41. I shoot at high elevation.

@@ReloadingWeatherby Then your BC will drop by 2-3%. Very usable if you can make it group decently. The 150 ABLR works great too., especially if you can launch it at 2900 fps.

@@ReloadingWeatherby WTF

H4831SC

H 4831 and it doesn't matter if it's the Short Cut or not.

Thanks

I was using H4831SC, I was using the Nosler 160 gr recommendations. I would start low and work your way up. I measured to the lands and went 20 thou off of it. Which for my rifle was 3.372". I would highly recommend you find the measurement to the lands with this bullet and start there... wherever that is on your rifle.

H4831SC

Thanks for watching!

Because it works... oh this junk gun shot better than the $1400 guns

Here is my honest answer on the b.c. not being optimized. I missed originally because my velocity I calculated was off. Once I found my DOPE it was extremely consistent. I found no loss in b.c

@ReloadingWeatherby well then you don't know what your doing .

@@nonetheless01 Right... why so defensive and rude? Could it be your favorite cartridge is the 6.5 PRC... and my cheap rifle did better than it?

@ReloadingWeatherby lol , no not at all .

@nonetheless01 FYI Berger twist rate calculator says my b.c. loss is 2% at the elevation I was shooting this target at. This elevation was only 6900 feet. So when I take this hunting at 9000-10000 feet.... I have zero b.c. compromised