I remember reading about a similar mortar round back in the 70s, I believe it was Swedish but may be wrong. That mortar was a spingot type with no tube
That's basically how this works. The US also has a silent 40mm which works on the same principle but the projectile obturates instead of using a piston. All these projects were declassified likely because sound suppression doesn't matter that much when your payload goes boom.
Would be interesting to see how much ammo a team can carry, and how much room it takes up for all that silence. Even though standard mortar rounds take up a bit of space with the protective packaging. Still a cool weapon that I hope to never be on the receiving end of.
Actually I saw that those secure packaging is used when there is a supply car nearby. In the fields those rounds stored in the bag without any additional protection since they are not 'activated' and dangerous. You may even play basketball with such mine and it won't blow. Regarding actual ammo... I saw that for RPG operators carry from 6 to 9 rounds (3 together with launcher and second person up to 6 additional) but those rounds looks smaller and lighter. So we may defiantly say that carrying of 10 rounds on two soldiers is not a problem.
@@Volodymyr_SVD yea, depends on the size of rounds, 120s will have trailers, 81 and 60, a max will be packed in backpacks, without the tubes, along with carrying cases to be carried over shoulder, supporting infantry would carry an extra round each along with belt ammo for the MG, in the FFL we had the LGI a spring loaded with charge mortar, that's sorta the same as the 2B25, less range though.
@@jhnshep as a 81mm man I can say with confidence that walking in without a ammo cart is a really bad move. Usually it takes 8 to 12 shots from your first position to be on target. We had a company foot manoeuvre and the captain told us we needed to walk all our gear in. About 10 km so what we carry is what we shoot. This meant the whole company had to carry 2 or 4 rounds to have some effective fire support. (About 4kg per shot). That is offcours on top of mg’s + ammo, At4’s, radio’s, food, water, medical supplies (like stretchers) and all the other good stuff. To ad to that every round needed to be walked in to the mortar pit. So all movements were true one route. In my 6 years of service I have never heard so much upset sgt’s. Yes you can walk in a 81mm with ammo but no you shouldn’t.
@@MultiBjorn21 Oh I get that, Though I was a paratrooper, and even I was milan we trained carrying rounds on top our milan stuff, buggies and trailers would come later, just answering the question, how would the guys carry them, without tubes, which he said takes up space
Great design, russian ingenuity! But ... why the extra weight of the tube? Is there a function we do not know? And: how about using the enclosed gases to extend range?
Not saying it is useless, but the "silent effect" is only effective for the first round (the detonation of which will tip off the target), and the odds of the first round being right on target are small. At best a very niche market weapon.
Mortar rounds leave the barrel at faster than the speed of sound. Even if the sound of the shot arrives first, it'll still be pretty close to the mortar rounds arrival. Did no one think about this during the whole development process?
My guess that this stuff is really for deploying chemical weapons and pyro like phosphorous for instant smoke screens. I doubt Russian special forces would care much about frag when they should have air support.
Keeping the mortar "silent" helps prevent detection of the precise position from which shelling is occuring from, the less cues the opposition have for determining where to launch counter-fire towards, the better.
@@Vrilltrooper-of-sillymaxxia I could make one with common tools, so, they definitely could make it work or you could make these yourself. The shells are expensive to male but the tube is just the aiming and firing device
Peppermint Patty's sister. M229 60mm is awesome as well. Has a handle that 1 man can use it. Seen some videos a few mortars being fired in AFGHANISTAN.
I'm not a weapons designer, but in the mock-up of the weapon used indoors - the shell just seems to rest on the side of the tube - This makes me think the whole thing is pretty unstable and will result in terrible aim. To me this just seems like a WWII era grenade-range-extender.. No real tactical purpose other than just throwing more explosives downrange.. We're not fighting like that anymore in 2021..
Why isn't it a spigot mortar? The outer tube tube is Al alloy, it's a suppressor. Could even be fiber reinforced polymer if Americanski toys like AR, LOLski. The charge detonating is the noisiest event which is muffled by the tube. The moving piston is noisy & the tube would need some complex pressure seal or as it likely is some burning gas escapes, noise & flash muffled by the tube. Rather the tapered constriction at the end of the round jams & seals the piston. If it smacked into an abrupt ledge that would be noisy and an unreliable seal. Ze Russians know little trick or two about suppressed small weapons such as the PSS SP-4 piston pistol cartridge that works on the same principal.
It's the same with silent guns: How far does a 45 ACP, or 300 Whisper shoot? The latter could shoot quite far, but the bullet drop makes aiming difficult. Plus, it takes much longer for the round to reach the target, which in turn could result in shooting behind the enemy... Plus, it's more sensitive to wind...
Every goverment and people in there will labeled as russian collaborators, that will mark them as traitor in politics which is will ruin their political career, so no one crazy enough to be labelled as that
@@telurkucing5006 My government declared war on me and hates me. So, since there is no way for me to be reconciled to them, I do not care. Go Russia 🇷🇺! Of course, they would probably try and kill me as well because governments all pretend to be at odds so they can make wars to kill off their strong young men and women and enslave their own people. Now, why dies every nation get along like best friends in Antarctica but up here in the real world, they are all enemies? Exactly. It's all fabricated lies, TV propaganda and world leaders are simply actors. There is no reason for this germ and lockdowns, inflation, crop failure, shipping blockades and troop massing except to kill us regular folks. Stay sharp and on the ready, Telur. We definitely are not lead by righteous men.
Я думаю дело было так: - Алё, Михалыч? - Да, слушаю. - Дай мне двух оболтусов, буду звезд ютуба делать. - Через пятнадцат минут будут, тащ полковник. - Отбой.
As an American, is there a way to express to the Russian people and government that I am not hostile to Russia? I even like Hardbass, Barnaul Ammunition, Wolf and Tula, even Brown Bear and Silver Bear Ammo. I would also lobby for Kamaz trucks to be sold here. YRA!
So, America is now paying its bots to lick our balls and lie that they are our friends. This pendosses are definitely up to something, they definitely want to attack us.
@@OKOK-hm2is Russia has good ammo and the VEPR is a superior firearm. I would prefer that rifle to my American junk wagon which is so finicky its like trying to keep a Kardashian happy.
Interesting... So can we assume that you would like your President to remove sanctions from Russia because of occupation of Crimea (Ukraine region) and providing guns, ammo and other supplies to paramilitaries in so called LDNR in the south of Ukraine? And, just to continue same thought - you actually don't mind that in 21-th century one country (Russia) will just occupy anything it wans from anyone else (like Ukraine)? You are totally OK with that? At least while it is not US territories?
@@Volodymyr_SVD Vladimir, bro, or braht, I live in the USA and we are being invaded By EVERYONE! Our army, federal agencies, local police, border patrol and even the Taliban are flooding into the nation to murder us at the appointed time. So, whatever is bothering you about Russia or Biden the Usurper, I get it. Are Ukrainians going.to.supply us with cheap ammo and VEPRs and all the other goods? If not, then I want.Russian ammo. Your government is so crooked, like the US, that they won't give new weapons and equipment to the front line troops. Our US military will kill Americans when they are told to. So, I want.Russian ammo and other stuff they used to sell here. Joe Chi Minh Biden is not.the elected president. He will 100% betray the Ukrainian people. I guarantee it! Better get yourself an AK and two crates of ammo.
1 minute to assemble? did you not watch the video? the thing is already assembled. and mortars are not going to be over run in 3minutes because they have infantry with them. think before you type moron
I like the new light weight ammo too. Rosboro - please make a manual set proximity fused RPG 7 ammo type. Like an egg timer dial on your oven just turn the knob on the nose cone to 250 - 275 - 300 meters and shoot! You'll make it so those jihadi corner fighters can't hide so easily from direct fire.
@@travistucker1033 won't that just set it off when it gets close to anything? ground included? or the wall that the target is hiding behind? i think this idea wont work as intended.
Other than lighter weight alloys are used, this is hardly new tech. The trigger fired spigot mortar was seen on the battlefields of WW1. The captured piston system i remember from fifty years ago and i remember the WW2 British PIAT as a parent concept of this.
Угу , сейчас. Если один выстрел стоит дороже чем сам миномёт то хрен его закупит армия. Тем более что старых ещё хренова туча, вот ими и будет пользоваться "мясо".
Однако АК-12 же закупают и армию перевооружают. Но тут я с вами соглашусь т.к. в самом ролике было сказано что это для СПЕЦ операций. Линейным войскам такое не выдадут.
для крупносерийных поставок в войска эта штука не подходит. Ее максимальная дальность в районе 1 км. Для обычного миномёта это очень и очень мало, а для спецслужб и разведки массовое производство не требуется. Несколько сотен таких миномётов вполне удовлетворит текущие нужды. но выстрел с запиранием пороховых газов очень дорогой, к сожалению.
@@MultiBjorn21 just look how long the ammo is 😂 honestly why didn’t they consult with actual soldiers who use those weapon systems ? Even our SAS use our 81mm Mortars
@@MultiBjorn21 we trialed using quads and small trailers to help carry our ammo around had mixed results usually had one unimog per mortar section ie: 2 barrels our Mortar Platoon in my Infantry Battalion had three mortar Dets/Sections 81, 82 & 83 for a total of six Barrels was a great job
@@MultiBjorn21 we first used Singaporean Tampella Ammo the switched to German Hurtenburger ammo the Tampella was fantastic because they came in really durable waterproof boxes four rounds to a box in individual carry cases of 2 bombs and as the boxes were expendable items we always kept the ammo boxes had 101 uses chilly/esky bin or tool boxes or storage I left the Army with 23 I only have 3 left everyone wants one lol
Why not spigot mortar? Outer tube tube Al alloy suppressor! It is fiber reinforced polymer if Americanski toy like AR, LOLski ! Charge explosion suppressed by mortar tube. Moving piston, no complex pressure seal, little burning gas flash & sound. NO! Suppressed by mortar tube! Taper constriction at end of mortar roundski quietly jams piston, seals round too! Russian know suppressed small weapons little trick or two! Same way PSS SP-4 piston pistol cartridge, silent but deadlyski!
Almost all videos on Rosoborn channel starts with "Hi everybody " ...so naturally we repeat "Hi doctor Nick" ;-) p.s. Did she just said "Butt of the tube " Oh my good... :-)
Почему до сих пор не на вооружение Российских Войск и не на Украине ведь запад поставляет такие тихие миномёты украинцам и это очень большая проблема для наших ребят на передовой ведь они вылета не слышат.
@@Dennis-qf6gf I was thinking of taking the powder out of the shells and leave just enough in there to scatter a wad of gospel tracts in the vicinity of angry people who are too "mean" to actually approach in person.😉
Compared to peer conventional mortar systems, this is a mouse fart. I’ve been on the receiving end of mortar fire, many times you can hear the round being launched and take cover long before it hits. Won’t happen with this system.