3.8 GHz Intel's highest clocked Pentium 4 

That’s dope! Very similar to what my grandpa had actually. I loved going to his house to use his PC as it was so much faster than my computer at home.

The IPC is terrible on those chips, divide the clock with 3 , if you want to compare it with a modern Coffee lake or Ryzen CPU!

TheGyuuula: Oh yeah the IPC on Netburst was never good, hence why I mentioned the clockspeeds, it's clear to see that lower clocked P4 Chips struggle now compared to their AMD Counterparts. Its more of a testament to the chip itself, not depending the Architecture it's from.

And then there's this youtube channel called 'Compatibility Madness' - P4 965 @ 4.82Ghz + GTX 780Ti GTA 5 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DF4K0xkPB14.html Doom 2016 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HosMiOD3FQw.html Battlefield 1 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DZ1xSsaBwJM.html

you see, you're not taking the p4 effect into account. every 3 or 4 of those mhz should count for one of current cpu mhz. also it's single core.

It gets used as a cock sock by Athlon 64.

Exactly. In the 3 years from 2002 to 2005, intel bumped the Pentium 4 from 3.06 GHz to 3.8 GHz. In the previous three years, they went from the Pentium III at 733 Mhz to the Pentium 4 at 3066 MHz, a 318% increase in clockspeed. That really made the 24% increase from 2002 to 2005 feel like we hit a wall with CPU performance. AMD was doing a bit better at the time with the Athlon 64, but not much better.

Dat boii To top it off, lithographical node doesn't mean what it says on the tin ever since finfet if not before. Nothing on a 14 nm chip is 14 nm. Not the fin width, height, length or pitch; not the gate length, width, height or pitch; not the metal 2 pitch or width; there's nothing you can measure anywhere on a 14 nm chip that is actually 14 nm. Two different processes that both say they are 14 nm have very different measurements, transistor densities and performance. In the good old days you would expect a 1.5 µm chip to have 4 times as many transistors as a 3 µm chip, because all dimensions scale down linearly. For 14 nm to 7 nm, it is only about twice as many transistors. TSMC 14 nm has the same transistor density as TSMC 22 nm. Intel is trying to increase transistor density by a factor of 2.7x from "14 nm" to "10 nm" which is very aggressive, and they're sort of failing, or at least taking a very long time. Intels plan for what they call 7 nm is to abandon silicon, as it won't really get you any gains in performance (thermal density will increase so you have to clock things slower); the stated plan is to deposit InGaAs and InP onto silicon for the transistors. You never know if they're going to get the yields they are looking for if they're going to do 10nm+, and ++ and +++ for 5 years. EUV looks like it is finally comming to save us from self aligned quadruple patterning and other cost drivers (7nm without EUV implies about 80 litho steps, up from 60 or so at 14 nm; already at 14 nm that's a huge cost for masks and validation etc at about $300 million per chip design; if you only sell 1 million GPUs you need to add $300 to the price of each to make sense of that). EUV really sucks though and has been just around the corner for a decade and a half; in EUV the clearest lense you can get is as dark as a brown beer bottle. It's a huge pain and has been put off repeatedly and may still not be completely ready, but Samsung will give it their best college try.

I remember Sandy Bridge bringing around 40% better perf compared to the previous gen, that was a nice year (still using a 2600K today)

Yes that the chip was a brilliant investment, but still nice to see how the end of an era performs.

Also have a Pentium 4 desktop-in-a-laptop Toshiba Satellite back then. But it didnt melt the grills lol

Ayu Natsume I use to use it for visual studio and on a table not that demanding I think it was just cheap plastic. Lasted for about 2 years I think, before I cut the grills out. Replaced that with a Ferrari 4000, that I still have but keyboard area has turned sticky because it was that weird rubber surface they use to put on stuff to make it look modern.

Hehe nice :D Get in while prices are still cheap!

Nice! Good for those cold winter nights. I sport an Athlon X4 840 and 650Ti so I don't exactly have a cool (in more than one way) build myself.

EJ Taylor - I don't know if I understand correctly. Replacing a CPU does not require any kind of soldering at all. You just remove the heatsink, clean up the paste, and then you remove the CPU. Do not forget to apply some new paste before putting the heatsink back on your upgraded CPU. Socket 775 is fairly straightforward and there are plenty of "how to" videos. You can also have socket 478. It is pretty much the same, just be a bit more careful, that CPU will have pins on it. Either way - cooling a P4 with a bare heatsink (without any fan) is pretty uncommon. Either you have another powerful fan in your system, that blows air at it, or your temps must be sky hi. I would love to see your system.

This is a very nice system indeed, lovely design. Since you only want to play older titles, you're alright. My main rig was a Pentium 4 630 for many years (accompanied by Geforce 7600GT) and it was plenty for all I desired. There is a rumor of someone running a Pentium D of some sort on your machine - with BIOS A7, but it gave an "unsupported CPU" message. Hardly worth the hassle though. I also wouldn't go too far with the video card, a 1G is probably far too much for your needs, but if you can find more modern one cheap, why not. It will at least accelerate video for you. Also take note that this system is what they call "compact" or "low profile". Therefore you will need to look for your video card accordingly. I would go for e.g. HD 5450 or HD 6450, those are relatively cheap and work even under Windows 10. You will need it with a correct bracket and make sure the card will not stick out of the case with its cooler or VGA pin connector (it may, it may not - I have never actually worked with this particular model of Dell). You might not be able to put on the side panel then. Just measure before you buy. The fan, being in a different spot that the heatsink itself is a classic Dell design. The only problem these machines used to have are some bloated capacitors around CPU (from all the heat). But replacing caps is also quite trivial thing, so no big deal - note that you need some basic soldering skills or a skilled friend for that job.

EJ Taylor - HD 7470 is a pretty darn good find for a given price. Let me know if it fits. Regarding the recording, I must disappoint you. Nowadays - I have pretty much zero skills recording the screen - so I will be of no help here. Back in the day of my P4 630 though, I used to use a program called Fraps. This managed to record all I was working on using that CPU and GPU. I'm sure Fraps still exists. But keep in mind that I used to record a resolution of 1024x768 (4:3). I have no idea how would your hardware manage higher resolutions - mainly those like 1080p which is most suitable for RU-vid playback today. You can always get a capture card, providing you have a free slot in your machine (and providing it will again fit a low profile), but I have no knowledge in that area. I used to edit those videos in Adobe Premiere from CS3 suite. It ran well on hardware like that. But again, I never worked with HD content there. All I can tell is - best of luck with your plan. You may have some trials and errors in front of you. It may be safer to ask people who know the current stuff.

the extreme edition is way too expensive and rare... but you can get a normal pentium d for 1 euro on ebay

ID guess it would be pretty close

You can find the Xeon equivalent to the Pentium Extreme 965 (the Xeon 5080) for about 50 bucks on eBay. You will need a LGA 771 to 775 adapter or a server/workstation board for it though.

Marcus60661 yup

Pentium Dual-Core E2140/60/80 master race

Yea it's also super reliable and stable, everything just works and that's huge. Working with old computers, well the experience can be quite different.

The 3.46 is even faster, has the 1066 MHz FSB.

It's actually freezing cold Winter here, so the P4 helped :D

It is, you should always check the manual, it shows you what to do.

Get one with Cedar Mill core!

I can see the appeal, but I stick with desktop parts, apart from a few occasions.

I don't do laptops, sorry.

PhilsComputerLab thanks anyway

that played a big roll.. LOL

It's the GOG version, runs great :)

I was older than a teen..

Richard Tuck that board should support all the way up to the 9000 series quads.

Yea that's what we will be looking at in a future video!

still very expensive...

Oh, that's a shame. I guess it's not that common a processor and it is one of the best for socket 775. I really do enjoy using it :)

yeah other socket 775 cpus like the q9400 are much cheaper and the difference in performance shouldnt be that high... especially when you overclock it

The core 2 quad q9550 is literally the same chip and can be clocked to 3ghz easily.

Talvisota Yea, for whatever reason, the top 775 CPUs still cost a small fortune.

It lost. I actually found a review yesterday on the FX60 and even the x2 4800 was faster in most applications and games over the 3.5Ghz p4 that it was put against. The only thing the P4 was much better at was encoding quicktime video format. Good read, I knew the k8 was faster but a revisit to benchmarks surprised me just how much P4 was behind k8. www.anandtech.com/show/1920

@@3800S1 does pentium 4 support 64 bits?

@@reboxtherapy 🤷‍♂

I have two P45 boards with DDR3, but none take any of the Pentium 4 unfortunately.

I have one and I can asure your, the difference is neglectable, some games are a few frames faster others a bit slower, overall the Prescott Extreme and the 3,8GHz 2M are almost the same. The EE is actually worse as it doesnt support EIST witch the normal 3,8GHz has

Nicholas Neilson that usually indicates board or capacitor damage since something on the power rail isn't being feed

Good point :)

It has Intel VT-x for virtualization.

Yea it seems 775 coolers are slowly disappearing, I should stock up on a few of the more powerful units.

PhilsComputerLab hyper 212 evo is a beast of a cooler with great compatibility and fairly cheap. That intel q9300 has a tdp of 95w stock and overclocked to 3ghz still managed to top around 60 degrees in load. With stock cooler was more around 75 - 80 in summer.

got same results with Celeron 420 back in the day.

Dank.

Celeron D is also great for overclocking... managed to get it running at 5+ ghz on a cheap micro atx board

5 ghz Celeron D should be on par with 1.6-2 GHz Celeron 420

could be lol. was still nice to see 5 ghz in the system infos

SvD KILLSWITCH Unlatched, straight from CD, it ran much worse...

Now you see why Phil has been ditching optical drives entirely lately...

no way. Conroe was much faster and more efficient than any P4 or Pentium D

this was beat by ~2GHz Core2, even overclocked celeron was faster than best P4

No, that video is quite old and I built it just for this video!

We will find out soon :D

Always check the manual, it's not always the same rule.

not good. with that graphics card it wouldnt even start

Talvisota I actually have an old pc that was given to me that has a socket 478 single core celeron at 2.0 ghz with integrated graphics and an agp slot. Believe that pc is from early 2003 with a 120 GB harddrive and xp. Still works, just haven't figured out what to do with it.

well put a decent agp card in it and you can play games until around 2005 just fine. even though i guess its a northwood celeron so much slower than a P4 with the same clock

Talvisota I guess the thing is that decent agp cards are getting harder to find since they stopped making them in 2006 and I'm not wanting to put allot of money into it. It does have integrated graphics though. I suppose that the northwood celeron at 2 ghz is probably relevant to a pentium 4 at 1.6 ghz. Something like that p4 cpu I remember came out in early to mid 2001.

an older card like ati 9600 pro is still pretty cheap and more than enough for a northwood celeron.

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Netburst did have its strengths, especially when it came to multimedia and gaming.

Netburst had its advantages on desktop, it was until they hit the walls and they looked into their Pentium M architecture which was supposedly a low-end chip (Pentium 4 M was their high end). From P4M came Core and Core 2 and eventually first-gen i5 and the iconic Sandy Bridge arch which is the grand daddy of all i5s in architecture until now. Pentium M is when they realized clock-speed isnt the only thing that dictates performance.

The pentium m if i recall correctly was based on the pentium 3, it was designed in israel. So intel basicy realised netburst was a dead end, and re enginered there older designs

@@computethisblockhead No way!--even Semproms were able to easily outperform high ends P4's in every aspect.

@@retrogaming2422 The AMD cpus of the time were superior in some tasks such as games and productivity applications, but the P4 was a good performer when it came to multimedia related tasks as well as multitasking due to the hyper threading. They were also able to overclock much better than the AMD chips. It really came down to what types of applications you were using your PC for.

A bit over 200W when gaming on the 3.8 GHz.

PhilsComputerLab that's not so much, but what about Cedar Mill in similar conditions?

I thing it was around 140W or so? But I didn't do exact measurements, just glanced at the power meter when running games.

PhilsComputerLab that's interesting to see - slightly better performance for around 30% more power consumption.