Dude, I'd buy that shirt faster than you can explain the ranking of your three favorite batman movies. Especially if there is a tagline somewhere that says "The show whose only real crime was loving pop culture too much. And arson, that one time."
"Everything is preceding as I have foreseen!" Palpatine had the power of foresight, which was fortified with the spread of the dark side of the force across the galaxy. You'll often hear the Jedi complaining about how clouded their ability to perceive things through the force is, or how blind they felt going into the clone wars. The dark side is impenetrable to a light side user. But Palpatine was a Sith. His actions were preceded by his own ability to see the future. It was only when the galaxy was flooded with hope and light once more in the form of the Rebel Alliance that he couldn't see past his own arrogance, and he mistook his own delusion of turning Luke to the dark side as yet another vision of the future. As far as his goals were concerned, he wanted to destroy the Jedi, exterminate them completely. The only way to do that was to spread them out as thin as possible across the galaxy, and smash them between two armies. The Jedi were blinded from seeing the future, or across space, but that didn't change how fast they could move. An entire army of droids wouldn't be enough to destroy them, as can be seen with how quickly just a single Jedi and his apprentice could cut through the peak of that technology in episode one. Clones on the other hand were living beings, and were interpreted by the force differently. Droids taking aim and firing was more like a falling rock that they suddenly were aware of supernaturally, whereas a Jedi would sense intent from lifeforms to determine their threat. But what if the person firing at you had virtually no intent or ill will? A living person that brainwashed could theoretically take a Jedi by surprise. Only a force user would even be aware of this tactic, so it makes sense that only the last Sith in existence would make it a part of his scheme. Even so, you'd need an army of brainwashed beings, and they'd need to act like normal people and befriend the Jedi first to be able to even catch them off guard once you give the order to kill, and their programming kicks in. The clone army was the only way to eradicate the Jedi Order so widely and all at once. The only way a Jedi would march with a clone army would be if it were an army of the republic. The only reason the republic would need a clone army would be if it were at war. Thus, to leave nothing to chance, Palpatine literally took control of the republic as well as the heads of the major alien economic powers, and slammed them against each other in war, creating the perfect trap for the Jedi. The Clone Wars were just a meat grinder designed perfectly for the Jedi Order.
You forgot to mention that if the coin flipped the other way that the Joker would be dead, and no one would be left to organize/manage the boat scene for Batman. His plan literally was so good it affected fate.
But that's the whole point of the joker - misdirection. "Do i look like i have a plan?" is the confusing part to "Well, you obviously do - but certainly a lot of this could be impromptu" his existence is an anomaly, his "agent of chaos" is "chaos caused", not enacted
I think it's a simple as this: Palpatine is a Sith. THE Sith. So what he wants is to bring the galaxy into the dark side, by taking control of the government, killing off the Jedi, and subjugating the galaxy into a state of fear and oppression. How else would he do it? It's not just as simple as "he's evil", but it's pretty close. BTW manipulating the Chosen One was just a way to circumvent the prophecy which he knew of, so it was the smart thing to do to cover all his bases.
Cesar The Salad He also knew the actual background of Anakin, that being that the force created him as a counter measure to Plaugius's fucking with life.
Could you maybe put the shows name(OPCD in case anyone forgot) in the title? Actually could you always do that? Not just this show, but with all your shows?
1) Luke and the gang's rescue of Han, as we saw it in the movie, wasn't the plan. It was more like Plan D. Plan A was probably Lando finding some way to sneak Han out, then realizing off screen that it wasn't going to be that easy. Plan B was Leia unfreezing Han, then escaping with the droids, with the help of Chewie and Lando. Plan C was Luke coming in and Jedi-mind-tricking everyone to freedom and/or bartering/reasoning their way out. Plan D was everything has gone to hell at this point, so let's just wing it. R2, with the lightsaber, was like Lando -- an ace up the sleeve that would be used only if it was needed. 2) I haven't seen the movies, but from what I gather the Joker thrives off of chaos. "Some people just want to see the world burn." He's not in it for anything specific, except to cause a whole lot of confusion. 3) Palpatine had control of the Senate at the time, but not the government. He still had the Jedi to contend with. And while it's true that the Jedi were chasing their tales at that point, so bogged down under the weight of their own tradition that they were all but useless and off chasing moonbeams of The One restoring "balance" to the Force (whatever that means), that would have changed really quick if the realized that the new Supreme Chancellor was a Sith Lord. He needed a way to whittle away at their numbers without them noticing. And a war where the Jedi suddenly has a huge army was actually a really ingenious way to do that. Not only does it put the Jedi front and center in the conflict, it also means that the clone army is in place and trusted when Order 66 comes through (the order to kill all the Jedi). It also keeps them busy, so they don't notice right away just how well Palpatine has maneuvered himself into government. It also produces a lot of chaos and death, and that's something that the Sith thrive off. Chaos and death fuel them, make the dark side of the Force stronger (and the Sith by extension), while weakening the Jedi (who rely solely on the light side of the Force).
I kind of assumed the Joker just improvised a lot. Like Jack Sparrow. Apparently you can get better at it with practice, especially if you have some kind of disorder that makes you creative. Not sure just how far into Sith logic I want to go, since part of their training is murdering their master/teacher/male authority figure that they're related to. But there is no defense for Leia and Luke's plan to get Han back. They should be dead in extremely slow-working digestive juices in which they would probably have the time available to figure out another ridiculously complicated escape plan before it even ate through their skin. What a universe.
the joker doesn't make plans, he watches for - and in some cases helps set up - opportunities which he then exploits. It's kind of a meta-planning, which when viewed in hindsight seems like a circuitous and unlikely plan, but in fact, that's only because we're seeing only one outcome. what I mean is, free from a plan he is more flexible and can adapt to any situation making the best of what falls into his lap.
I get that Ocean's 11 should have been a plan from the beginning and that it's overly complicated for the audience's sake. But I always thought that the rescue mission of Solo was botched from the moment the Princess was captured and that everything after that was contingency plans that they had just in case they needed them. And maybe some of that idea of ever-evolving plans is true for the other Star Wars scheme.
Actually Jar Jar gave Palpatine the emergency power to use the clone army. Also, Palpatine had more power as the Emperor than he did as Chancellor. In the original trilogy, people were scared shitless of the Empire and Palpatine could have Vader do whatever without interference from the Senate. ALSO also, the Han plan wasn't one plan, but one plan and multiple backup plans
michael: You like me are confused. Every starwars fan ever both hard core and noves: Nope make sens to me if you actually do some research and know anything about the Sith and jedi.
As to the last point, everything you said makes total sense. If you overlook the fact that the force allows you to predict the future. Palpatine, being a sith master, was probably pretty good at that.
Palpatine's plan wasn't as convoluted or reliant on so many specific occurrences as you say. While it was complicated, too much so, it was fluid enough to change details to get it done. He could have easily done it without Anakin. Order 66 was there to take out the Jedi. I don't know why his plan gets so much shit. It made sense to me.
I think with the joker he dosen't quite have a plan, he just has options as with some of the overly complicated plans. Things could go this way, but they could also go this way. I mean he said when things go according to plan, people don't freak out where as if they don't, the world spirals into chaos. Plus not to mention his gang under his command. What is baffling to me in that movie is that freaking bus scene! Did those school buses just continue driving seeing one backed up into a bank and say nothing as it drove off like nothing? What kinda plan was that bullshit?!
I think Palps orchestrated the Clone Wars as an excuse to have a clone army for his own, personal, end goal of wiping out the Jedi. And he also got Shmi pregnant with Anakin through influence with his force bacteria. So Sheev is Anakin's father in a way.
1:55 Two years in carbonite left Han blinded with hibernation sickness. Who knows what 100 years would do to someone? Also, according to wookiepedia, a Hutt's lifespan can be over a thousand years. Now that I've outnerded Daniel, I'll crawl back into my hole now.
Sigh... Anakin was not integral and Palpatine's plan wasn't just to rule the galaxy, as a Sith he wanted to exterminate the Jedi. Sure, it might not have been the greatest plan, but it was a way better worked out plan than many give it credit for.
Hey DOB, I'd like to see a video on how "The Truman Show" is a lovely film that is also a not-so-lovely violation of privacy and human dignity. But the Philip Glass soundtrack is stellar. But the film is super fucked up. But the soundtrack is so goddam beautiful! All of that! love the show and channel, by the way. :)
There are lots of movies where the plan is actually so dependent upon every single thing along the way working that they are just stupid. Return of the Jedi isn't one of them. None of the things you're saying had to happen had to happen. They COULD have just unfrozen Han and gotten away. They COULD have negotiated his release. All those elements were just there as failsafes and the confluence of events just happened that they all played a part in the actual eventual escape (although as you said, they weren't all needed for this). It's not a good example of what you're talking about.
I'm not even close to the first person to comment on this point: But are we just supposed to ignore the fact that there is a galactic WAR going on? That the lives and freedom of billions of individuals hang in the balance, and two of the most vital figures in the Alliance (Leia, who after her father's death became second only to Mon Mothma in the Rebel command structure, and Luke, the literal LAST trained Jedi Knight in existence) are off on what is essentially a personal errand? Han was NOT technically a member of the Alliance yet...and he was NOT in the custody of the Empire. You couldn't even say they needed him back because they were afraid of him revealing information about the Rebellion: If Jabba wanted to interrogate him and sell the secrets he revealed (assuming he had any) to the Empire, he wouldn't have left him frozen in Carbonite. The only effect the rescue of Han had on the Galactic Civil War was that it put two of the Alliance's most important leaders out of commission for at least a few months. And speaking of wasted time, what was the rush? Han was neither in pain nor physical danger: If Jabba wanted him dead, he would have taken him out of the Carbonite and executed him soon as Boba Fett showed up on his doorstep. No, he was content to keep him hanging on his wall, alive, and in perfect hibernation indefinitely. Leia and Luke could have taken all the time they liked rescuing Han. They could have gone ahead with the Battle of Endor, and picked up Han after they blew up the Death Star and killed the Emperor. Seriously: They HAD Chewie, Lando, and the Falcon...what, tactically speaking, did they need Han for? What did he contribute to the eventual Rebel victory that could not have been achieved without him?
Palpatine wanted the war because he wanted Anakin on his side and he knew that the only way to get Anakin to the dark side was to start a war were he had to make tough choices or similiar things, like killing an unarmed, old count. And sence Palpatine influenced and controlled (probably bribed and threatened) almost all the senators, it's no wonder he got to be Supreme Chancellor and the emergency power. And he didn't control the galaxy untill he became Emperor, before that he had all the senators to speak too and lots of official channels he would have to go through. Instead he chose to become the Emperor over an Empire that he, and only he controled. It might be a far fetched plan but he did control almost everything through the whole prequel trilogy. The death star is made because he wanted ppl to fear the empire, more than they probably allready did. He wanted ppl to know that he could blow up a planet whenever he wanted to. Hm... Makes me wonder why he didn't threaten to blow up a planet every 24 or 48 hours untill the rebels surrendered :)
Han Solo is not really his name it is Hansel Organa, his parents were Bail Prestor Organa and the Queen of Alderaan, Queen Breha Antilles Organa. and they are the adoptive parents of Leia Organa who ends up married to Hansel Organa
Palestine was born regular. He was dealt the cards he was given and became a senator on his home planet. The war was because only after the clones succeed on geonosis is he given emergency powers. In order to rule the galaxy, the goal of the sith, he wanted to create the empire. The Death Star was a huge mistake, but by creating a war that would scare people into trusting him, he is given confidence by senators. As well, during the clone wars, he engineers a plot where an ex-separatist is put into the intergalactic banking council, then tricks the republic into thinking the man called the separatists to the neutral bank world. The republic comes in and takes the bank and suddenly he has all the cards. He orders more troops and makes sure the separatists are doomed, the final straw being the battle of coruscant, absolutely wiping down the separatists' underpowered fleet. As well, he continually blames the clone wars on the Jedi. After this, he has control of the economy, control of political opinion, a war to show that maybe an empire is the only way to peace, and a reason for the Jedi to go rogue. Especially after they tried to kill him, but the public doesn't know what he is so it's seen as the Jedi being evil. Whew this was long. Hope u see this, cool videos.
Yes, Leia had to become a slave girl. Because Slave Leia is the ONLY sexy thing that happened in all six of the Star Wars movies, and yes, I'm counting Amidala. OK, the dancing Twilek was sexy, too, but how much screen time did she get? Three seconds? Without Slave Leia, the series has no sexy, and every show needs at least a LITTLE of the sexy. Just a bit.
Your argument is just a little bit on the weak side for "Dark Knight" Dan. You could argue that, according to Joker's archetype, the first half of his plan involved several tests for Batman in order to determine if he was a worthy opponent or not. Remember that Batman , according to the Joker, represents the ying to his maniacal yang. JS. Love these pieces you guys do ;)
the joker was ex cia and Palpatine had shmi skywalker impregnated somehow, you do the math, because he said he learned how to create life using the midichlorians in episode 3
In the Empire Strikes Back one, Their plan wasn't that detailed. They had some original plans, which failed and then they had some safeguards in place (like Lando, the lightsaber in R2) in case the plan didn't work. Which it didn't. They pretty much winged it from there. It wasn't a detailed plan of "Okay we'll be here, and here and here, and we'll wait for....". They tried to just straight up rescue Han, but had a lightsaber stashed just in case they got caught. Just like maybe you keep an extra gun hidden on you in case you get caught and disarmed, but you aren't actually planning on getting disarmed. Luke didn't PLAN to fall into the Rancor pit. Gold Bikini wasn't part of the plan.
Actually, I think we see several competing plans. Like, I don't think Leia and Lando knew about each other. Lando was just there, hoping for an opportunity. Leia and Chewie had a plan. Luke may or may not have known about that plan, but wasn't part of it. And if he knew about it, he expected it to fail. And Luke had multiple plans, but not detailed plan. As in Plan C was "if all that didn't work, I'll come up with something. R2 will have my lightsaber". Plan A ("I ask nicely and Jabba gives Han back") was expected to fail, but you have to try. And, of course, the Force is strong with young Skywalker, so a lot of things fall into place for him. I mean, Luke didn't come up with a plan that said "And Lando will disguise himself as one of the guards," but the Force said "He could use an ally in Jabba's palace, who could we nudge into going there?"
@@spyone4828 They cannot possibly know each other's plans. Because everyone had the same goal (free Han) without being dependent or coordinated with each other. Biggest problem is that Lucas had no plan. He just put together something that looked awesome. Therefore, it is not possible to understand what plans were involved, there were none.
Yeah, I know this is a comedy show, but it seems like the criticisms are supposed to be semi-serious? I don't know why they came to the conclusion that the plan went as executed?
@@Theopheus probably that line from Luke saying he's thought of everything? Seperating the mess into unrelated plans only superficially makes it better, because then the other people's plans are even more simplistic dead ends. Lando was either there as part of Luke's plan, or...what? He was with Leia and showed up way early and then did nothing to help? They were supposed to just leg it out the door after freeing Han? Luke specifically sent his weapon in a droid so he showed up unarmed? Why? That's not a contingency, that's a handicap. One theory I saw was that Luke saw that he'd end up killing people and wanted to avoid it. He got too cocky and tried to be clever, forgetting that historically, he's an idiot with bad plans. See: no plan for escaping death star, and Luke at cloud city, basically all of it.
Actually, I was thinking this. Like, I'm someone who doesn't like prints on shirts unless it looks really, REALLY good but a mug? Shit, I've used a mug that said "best mom" just cause I didn't give a fuck and I wanted my Oolong tea! lol
I would go so far as to say they are the best things on the entire internet right now. Except for porn. The internet would wither and die without all the porn.
The Clone Wars was Palpatine's elaborate scheme to weaken and destroy the Jedi. He knew they were his biggest threat. What better way to maintain complete control by waging a war in which you control both sides of!
@@sciencenate That's not a real rule. "Do you want this ice cream I've licked both sides of?" Alright it's not a super common sentence but that's not the point.
@@mariooliveira6302 si Palpatine really that obvious of a bad guy if one hasn't seen the original trilogy? Most of the arguments that he's obviously evil is dependent on the knowledge that he is the emperor.
Ok, in defense of Palpatine, his whole point was to manufacture a crisis in order for the Senate to dismantle itself (and associated inefficiencies of Democracies) in favor of the security and efficiency of a Dictatorship. Rome did this to itself accidentally over the course of several decades before Caesar Augustus did his thing. Also, he's a little bit clairvoyant.
There's also some heavy hinting in Revenge of the Sith that Palpatine was directly responsible for Anakin's birth. If we assume that he did in fact influence the midichlorians (leave me alone) to create Anakin, everything else in his plan does make sense. I don't know if I would necessarily choose his plan if I were interested in starting a galactic empire (seriously, he directly caused mass famine and suffering among his own people in Phantom Menace), but all of the details do fit if you make a few educated assumptions.
I'm pretty sure the two Star Wars examples were plans where "Plan A" went wrong and so everyone had to improvise a "Plan B." Return of the Jedi: If Leia had made it out of Jabba's palace with Han in the middle of the night, pretty sure Luke wouldn't have needed to involve himself and Lando would have gotten Chewie and the droids out or something like that. But, as Sun Tzu once famously said, when stealth fails, your only recourse is to blow up a hovering pleasure palace. Prequels: Sheevy P's plan at first was to mire the senate in bureaucratic BS with the whole trade blockade thing. Then Qui-gon and Obi-wan get in and mess up that, so Palpy figures he can maybe finangle his way into the Chancellorship with more bureaucratic BS. Pretty sure running both sides of a war was always in the cards for him, though; it's hard to justify killing a bunch of space wizards that people respect (who you secretly hate) without a war going on. Also easier to get your army of clones to do the job for you instead of going around lightning bolting each one individually.
Same, to some degree, with Joker's. He's the Joker: he put bombs in a ton of people because: Joker. He had corrupt cops capture Dent and Dawes because: Joker. He had 20 other things he did that we aren't aware of because they didn't come to fruition.
Thing to remember about Joker is that he didn't HAVE a plan, he just did things. The fact that things worked out in his favor is just plot and/or luck. If both people had gotten blown up, he wouldn't have cared. If both the ships blew up? Fan freakin tastic. On to the next thing. The Joker is literally insane, he just DOES things. He doesn't care about outcomes, he just cares that things happen.
I always kind of assumed that the plan to save Han Solo just went repeatedly awry, and that by the time everybody got to the Sarlacc pit, Luke was on Plan C or D or Q or something. Maybe I gave the movie too much credit...
No, you're absolutely right. They sent in Leia to unfreeze him and smuggle him out; she got caught. Luke went in to ask Jabba to turn Han over or else. Jabba refused. They then went to, at least, plan C: violence is the answer. Maybe there were more; I haven't seen it in a while.
i mean the final plan is pure desperation of r2 hiding the saber and throwing it to him at the last second and han inadvertently knocking the son of the model of the clone army into the pit i think it's all hinting at the force being at play more than luke's master ability at intricate planning, that's why the movies are perpetually salvageable because there should be some way to make the force a more active element of the action than making it so much about political bureaucracy (except that works well as an exhibition of the sith mindset)
@@SchulzEricT Luke entered Jabbas fortress unarmed and he had no hand in where R2 would be used by Jabba. If violence ever was an option, it sure was strange why he didn't enter the fortress armed.
Yeah, i'd always thought, that all of these plans are more like half the "plan" was planned, and the second half, improvised. Give these plans the benefit of "there is a plan" but what actually happens is "the plan" + improvised reactions....since no plan survives contact with reality is a common saying.
Except he brings up a good point. R2 had Luke's lightsaber. He was just going to give R2 to Jabba as a gift to get Jabba to release Han and then leave without R2 or his lightsaber?
Brett Colmer And it also gave Palpatine the ability to keep the origin of the Clone army a secret. In that the public, including the Jedi, wouldn't just stop for a moment and ask, "where did this army come from, who paid for it, and why?" He only says that he will use his emergency powers to create an army, then a finger snap later, fully supplied army pops out of thin air.
Plus, the galactic conflict was made so that the Jedi are too busy running around the galaxy, they don't realize that their biggest threat is at their home. The Jedi were to proud to let the Senate know that they had lost the ability to sense important things so the government never became independent. They stayed dependent on the no longer relevant/useful powers of the Jedi that had been apart of their government for Millenia
Yeah Dan's being an idiot. As usual Cracked's shtick isn't actual analysis, it's just pop culture references, speaking fast, and trying to sound intelligent. Guess those Journalism majors have gotta go somewhere.
Also, Tarkin outright states that the senate is abolished as soon as he finishes testing out the Death Star, meaning that before this, as implied in Rebels and Rouge One, the senate still had some power until Paly had his doomsday weapon.
