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I don't think there was really a Pokem=ball for items. You can store impossible amounts of items within your fanny pack in Legands: Arceus. Sure there's Pokeballs in that game too, but they were recently invented at that time so it is less likely that Item Pokeballs would've been a thing back then.
While the rest of the theory makes sense, the names of Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres shouldn't be taken into consideration, since they're something that was changed in translation.
Almost right. Thunders and Booster are Jolteon and Flareon. Zapdos and Moltres are Thunder and Fire. Point still stands, though. No 'uno, dos, tres' to be seen.
What if the unknown Pokemon from the first theory is infact, unown. Tell me you couldn't see an unown turning into a wynot tail. I love the idea that what if unowns hidden power determined what it evolves into ie grass tangla, water shelder.
While the Unown being the building blocks of reality is some sort of a thing them evolving into actual Pokemon under certain conditions is highly speculative, however the black blobs do have a naturally occurring evolution and it's the black sphere with teeth. It's depicted in Shelder when it evolves into Cloyster where the black blob turns into a sphere, develops teeth and hardens to mirror a pearl. We now also know that at one point a baby Tangela was one of these amorphous one eyed spheres with morphed legs and a Tangela evolution or split evolution was going to be a sphere with teeth. There is something going on in Pokemon with the blobs but judging from them evolving sinister smiles it cant be good.
5:06 Could also be Mimikyu in Alola. We never truly get to see its eyes but that could be the same Pokémon. Its just a lot scarier in Alola but not to us. Why? Bc we're not from Alola naturally٫ so we had more of an experience with this Pokémon unlike those from Alola. (Yes I know there's evidence against this in the anime I dont care. 😇)
I actually hate everything about this especially the logic and sense. As in there is none and you should feel bad for not being a good thing. People are going to laugh at you and you should feel shame.
7:53 It does not work. Japanese names have no Spanish references. Moreover, you were wrong. Their appearance resembled the legendary we know and that's why they are called so
There's also the fact that they are also coming from a land where there are plenty of legendary Pokemon coming out of wormholes, so there's other reasons that they could be there outside of flying north for the summer. Honestly, I'm surprised he used Canadian goose as the example for "the fact that its a regional varient doesn't mean that it isn't necessarily from there" since we got a regional variant that is apparently the original: Zigzagoon.
Another additional argument for black blob theory is that shelder can alter the evolution of Slowbro line by attaching itself on the body of said Pokemon.
Quick note on the "item ball," though due to the nature of the source, ymmv on how canon it is: in Colosseum and XD, the found items were contained in pokéball themed boxes.
I've seen a theory that Wobbuffet might be related to Unown due to the eyes and black body. Given their placements in the Johto dex and shared typing, I think that Wobbuffet might have originally been its evolved form.
Dude, did you also forget the Other glaring issue with the Legendary Birds? Namely that their names aren't actually in Spanish, but English.... Freezer, Thunder, and Booster... with Thunder not to be confused with Jolteon (Thunders).
It does makes sense with the first theory, especially since they specialise with defensive stats, either physical defense, hp or both, as well as each being 2 stage evolutions each
The items in Pokeballs makes sense because in PLA you only have satchels with limited item space and requires you to either store items or get upgrades
But at the same time it doesn't make sense, because in Legends Arceus Professor Laventon says that Pokémon have the natural ability to shrink themselves down to tiny sizes, so it's not the Poké Ball that makes them small.
@@ShayTheValiant Maybe that info is outdated and incorrect though, considering it's the first time it's been said in the series and also happens to have been said hundreds of years before the other games.
@@ShayTheValiant Kind of make this even more plausible. Professor Laventon noticed this in the past, where Pokéball were first invented. It would make sense with all the canonical Pokémon researches that someone, somewhere found a way to artificially replicate a Pokémon's natural ability to shrink and apply this to items with modern Pokéballs as technology was advancing fast and it became more and more difficult to transport everything efficiently. Personally I don't really like the idea as this new "type" of Pokéball would just be the Capsule Corp's capsules from Dragon Ball (although those can canonically transport fully functional houses) but with how advanced their researches became it would make sense that this exist in the Pokémon universe.
I REALLY really don’t like the idea that the Galarian birds were the “originals”. I’ve said this before on your channel I’m sure, but I’m pretty certain that it was directly called out either in the game or somewhere canonical that they are NOT related to the original birds; they were just named after them due to the people seeing a resemblance. I don’t think that there’s any reason to suggest that all regional forms must have an “original” version - its more likely convergent (or divergent, I forget which one is which) evolution, which is the real-world name for when two species that seem very similar evolve totally separate from one another but at the same time (roughly). I’m sure it’s fun to try and look and find out which one was “first” but that’s not always how evolution works.
I agree with this, and the likelihood of Scarlet and Violet introducing more of these Convergent Pokémon Species make it seem even more like those birds were added to get people used to this new variant of Pokémon...
So I’m pretty sure legends arceus expressly says that the Pokémon itself is what’s shrinking. Poke balls are just kind of a trigger for their inclination to shrink. While I understand it’s pretty nonsensical the ball itself has almost nothing to do with shrinking the Pokémon and everything to do with keeping the Pokémon INSIDE after it shrunk. The first theory doesn’t make a bunch of sense. Because that means the Pokémon can also choose its evolutions freely and also you forget that the evolution of shellder specifically looks like ghastly. Also that the “blob” has only one eye in wobuffets baby evolution. I feel like that’s a VERY broad stretch to say the least. The Galatians bird part had me scratching my head and I say that as someone reads science papers for fun. While you aren’t all together wrong galatian Linoone and zigzagoom also exist and I’m absolutely certain they are not migratory and they also are said to be the originals of their kind. So I can’t say I put too much weight on the idea. Not to mention there is a giant tree SPECIFICALLY for them in galar and they don’t exactly seem like the kind of birds to mate which is normally why that sort of thing would exist which leads me to believe they spend a lot of time there for very different reasons that makes me feel it’s unlikely they spend a whole bunch of time in many other places. (Not to mention america is huge which is probably why the Canadian goose spends so much time there but the Iberian peninsula… isn’t, really.)
To add onto the Galarian bird thing, something is interesting. With a clear past and future theme from the professors and legendaries, it would make sense to consider the Galarian birds as teasers due to Articuno looking futuristic and Zapdos looking prehistoric. Moltres's involvement as a teaser is also present, but that's only the case if the recent wave of leaks is to be believed. (which they more than likely are, but still, don't want to spread the leaks to those who don't want them)
I’ve always subscribed to wobbuffet being maybe a pre-evo rework or related to girafarig in some way. What are the odds that two unrelated Pokémon would both have two black faces as tails in the SAME generation. Especially because gen 2 only had 100 new Pokémon. Wasn’t someone at GF able to see the similarities because myself as a 6 year old did 😅
Ok but Articuno Zapdos and Moltres in the Galatians form are completely different, and they got their names because they possess similar traits to the original kanto trio
The last theory is actually true, since in Gen 1 there's actually an NPC that talks about an Item Ball when referring to an overworld item near them on the screen.
I don’t know about it being true; since Pokémon shrink to fit a bit, a ball doesn’t shrink the Pokémon to make it fit the ball (canon from PLA). I think item ball from the very early gens was just an easy way to reference an item on the overworld. If they’d have said ‘see that potion over there?’ you’d have been like ‘uh, no. I see a ball.’
@@Bruhkake That is true, but I don't know how reliable Laventon's info is. It could be outdated science, considering the time period. Pokémon could've evolved (Darwinian-wise) to not need that ability, or it could be untrue, even.
@@Lokear that’s true, I feel like since he’s considered the expert it’s at least true in his time frame - they’d know if it was the pokeball or not, as they’d have to at least implement the feature in the ball & could test by removing components. Darwinian evolution is interesting when you come to Pokémon too since it contradicts it so much haha
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With the last theory about items coming in PokeBalls even makes more sense now that Legends Arceus is the first game where we need to buy extra slots for items in our adventure bags. Since PokeBalls are hand made in the game it'd be almost impossible to get that amount of items mass produced in the time period of Legends Arceus.
If there is ever gonna be a Germany region and there will be regional Deino, Zweilous and Hydreigon then the theory about Legendary Birds might be true
I’ve always disliked that theory. The original Japanese names have no Spanish reference. Plus divergent and convergent evolution are a thing - they could be totally different species who evolved totally separetely, and just named similarly since humans saw similarities.
Different parts of the legendary bird trio theory falls apart under scrutiny. There’s the fact that the Japanese names of the birds have no Spanish motif to them, and the dex entry can’t really be used as evidence since it’s from crystal and is talking about the Kantonian form. The dex entry does mean that Kantonian Moltres would also be found in a region based on the Philippine Islands or Australia though, so that’s neat.
Item ball is just a broken pokeball with an item inside. The “groundbreaking tech” is that pokemon actually shrink, it is canon in PLA at least. So the balls are literally to store them. Yes it doesn’t explain how they all get into a PC but again it could be just a shorthand for a porygon prime same second delivery service.
Well... Maybe not Gastly since it's just a ghost like something died to become it. But... Voltorb maybe since it's more enigmatic than Gastly in nature.
articuno, zapdos, and moltres are only named with references to spanish numbers in the english translation. There's no connection in the original japanese
The white hand ghost is a Pokemon that is always following behind you forever behind you, unable to be seen by you but you can always feel it's present behind you.
The reason pokemon fit into pokeballs is bc pokemon have the ability to change sizes. Like they said in PLA and you can see in SV. The items would have to also have the ability to shrink if they were in balls bc the ball is not what gives the ability to shrink. They are just the catalyst for the shrinking that the mon can already do. Don't know if items would have the size change deposition to them. However if the companies that make the items (and balls) they could make the items with them he ability to shrink I guess. Doesn't explain the bike, 3 fishing rods and any other large item bc they aren't all made by the company who makes the pokeballs. Unless there was some sort of standard technology forced into every consumer item to allow for size change
**shakes head** Theorizing based off of localized names is NOT a good idea for a Japanese franchise. And I'm sorry, but you don't seem to realize they migrate OUT of Canada to stay warm and back when things warm back up again. And it's the Pokemon that shrinks, not the ball that shrinks the Pokemon. But we do still find things that look like PokeBalls that are really containers for items(or are actually Pokemon). We know they aren't actually PokeBalls(unless the item picked up literally is a PokeBall) as once we collect the item, the container is just gone. Also we know the Pokemon universe can teleport items and people vast distances. And I would honestly go into further detail on the matter, but I have been in pain all day.
I think that if we got some Urshifu new forms it would be cool. One could be based on the Roman Empire ( Fighting/Steel) and the other could be based on the rock pillars in England (Fighting/Rock.)
I don’t think the item ball theory is correct; as you said, if they can make pokeballs which hold these huge monsters why can’t they adapt it to shrink down items? In PLA, they actually state that Pokémon have the ability to shrink THEMSELVES down into a smaller size in order to fit in the ball, it’s not a feature of the pokeballs itself, just all Pokémon.
@@thephysicsandtheologynerd3112 glad I’m not the only one who picked up on it! It feels like such a weird bit of canon - just to make the reason they have pokeballs in Hisui make sense, as if it was a feature of the pokeball, I doubt they’d be living in basic villages(!) - but still an interesting concept ☺️
@@thephysicsandtheologynerd3112 then again I’ve just thought; the excess poke balls that exceed the 6 Pokémon cap..? They’re teleported and stored in PCs, and items could be stored in PCs too, so maybe item balls were part of canon but at a later date, taking inspiration from Pokémon shrinking down? I dunno, it’s interesting to think about!
It personally stopped being convincing the moment it was stated that the Galarian variants are the original when it's not exactly stated as such in the dex when the dex could also be using the Kantonian variants as the original forms as it makes more literal sense due to typing while the Galarian variants could be completely different Pokemon only named that due to similarities in appearance and having those Kantonian forms already in the minds of those who named the Galarian ones.
hmmmmmmmmmmm is it just me or when I look at Articuno then think about themes or scarlet and violet being past and future I get the feeling Articuno represents future while Zapdos fits the theme of the past and Moltres just got thrown in the bunch.
The first theory would probably have some merit if it weren’t for the fact that the tail on wynaut only has one eye, other than that the theory isn’t that bad.
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I can't wait for scarlet and violet. I was a huge Pokemon fan in high school when it first came out. I stopped following around the beginning of gen four and just got back into Pokemon. I don't recognize any Pokemon after gen 4.
Why can't the backpack be made with the same technology as a Pokéball? It would explain why houses are missing things like beds and bathrooms. The technology is everywhere.
Here's my thoughts on these stupid theories! Theory 1 - This is a legendary one, and I actually kind of like i! Yeah it's probably not true, but there are a lot of weird but plausible fan theories from Gen 1 & 2 that does makes snese and that alone does make this one very interesting. Theory 2 - Yeah no. Depsite the evidence, the name reference is lost in translation and there's not any hints at all in Pokémon Scarlet & Violet toward this being the case. It's interesting to think about it, though! Theory 3 - This is a fun one, but there's zero evidence that it's actually the case. One again, great video Hoops!
The first theory you covered made me think of Jynx as well! Also, I like your angle on the migratory Legendary Birds! It's in the same spirit as SV's supposed take on evolution. I get the impression they're going to revise their Evolution concept, de facto metamorphosis, hence the ancient and future forms, as well Convergent species. Should be fun to see what they came up with!
Alright! Ready for a GREAT bad theory? Ash's Pikachu is actually a Mew in disguise. He refuses to get into a PokeBall because once being on a PC.or on display at the pokemon center, the secret would be revealed. Same with evolution. If you give a Mew a thunder stone, nothing would happen and the secret would be revealed. Ash's Pikachu is the first Pikachu to learn Iron Tail, a move it could never learn before then, so how is that possible? OH, I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE BECAUSE MEW CAN LEARN EVERY MOVE?
I have a feeling that maybe… just maybe… the slightest, more minute possibility, that we’ll have mega evolution in Scarlet and Violet. My reasoning? Look at Spain/Portugal. They are bordering France. The Kalos Region is based off of France. Therefore, if it likely that Scarlet and Violet borders the Kalos Region. The Kalos Region is the X and Y games. They were the first games to introduce Mega Evolution, it’s Kalos’ entire thing. And if Kalos borders SV… SV likely had some mega stone debris from that meteor that crashed and created the two timelines. Unless Scarlet and Violet is in the Non-Mega Evolution timeline, which every game past USUM has been in.
A lot of interesting theories, but that black blob Pokémon one got me thinking on a few things. 1) Another Pokémon that fits into this category might be Mimiku, given that we never see its real form besides shadowy dark limbs, and it is trying to imitate a(n arguably) more loved Pokémon. Another possibility is a symbiotic relationship with whatever became Girafarig given it's two headed nature, which leads to... 2) If Shelder and Cloyster are it, then it fusing with Slowpoke is another example of a symbiotic fusion. 3) Also, it adapts to the world around it to hide and can become various types... actually makes me again think of the Mewtwo Experiments, given the theory that Ditto were born from that, though maybe instead of being like... experiments that were just released/escaped, they are decedents that are still mostly related to Mew, given they are said to be the first Pokémon. It makes sense on the idea of them having a lesser/more permanent/specialized version of Transform. Dumb thoughts yes, but its what I thought of.
The first theory is bad (It's not hating. Just feedback) The idea is good but they have different sounds, types, movesets and so on. Beside that Slowpoke can't evolve if Tangrowth bite it. So it's impossible that they are the same. The second theory is good. I think there is really something about it but wouldn't then The birds in Kalos look like Titanian/Galarian forms? The third one is not bad. It's pretty good but I have a correction. That's not special balls. That's just Pokeballs. In one Episode Ash caught a rice. So pokeballs can carry items. Why make extra balls if you can use the normal?
So about that blob: it has eyes and is completely black, and in the 1997 Gold demo there was a Pokémon called Gemini, which were kinda two ghosts or so, completely black and looked like floating orbs, they could maybe be that Pokémon. And Girafarig has also that blob with a big grin as his tail. I'd really like it if Gemini would have become an official Pokémon, so we could evolve it with evolution stones to Tangela, Shellder and so on, or if it would have been like Castform, so it adapts the type and becomes the respective Pokémon depending on the area around it.
Wobbufett, Wynaut, Tangela, Tangrowth, Mimikue, Gastly…. and do we REALLY know if Voltorb and Electrode weren’t originally an experiment gone wrong, fusing mon and ball.
when the legendary birds are basically nammed Freezer, Thunder and Freezer in Japanese, meaning their English names probably shouldn't be taken in consideration. Otherwise, when will we have Pokémon Norse and ancient Egyptian? After all, their French names are Artikodin, Électhor and Sulfura.
Backpack carrying all of that sounds impossible?? Let me tell you a tale of this thing called Dora’s Backpack. That thing can hold EVERYTHING. And they’re not in any special pokeball.
I have similar theories: ▪︎Theory 1: This is like the 1st one in this video, but it involves Mimikyu. I believe Mimikyu & Shedinja are the same Pokémon: both are gjost types hiding under a shell, & if someone accidentally sees their true form, their soul deteriorates. ▪︎ Theory 2: Rockruff is related to Eevee, since it has multiple forms that are affected by the time of day. Zorua & Fennekin are related to Rockruff, because they all have the same cries, & they have an evolution where they become bipedal.
I think the Item Ball is more an "Item capsule" like Dragonball series because you don't catch items but store them, Remember You could put items in the PC until Gen 4, Think it about it, How is a Bike, a Watering Can, A portable TV, Flutes and Fossils suppose to fit in a PC and be transported for storage unless they put into capsules.
The first theory is like saying that Cloyster and Gastly are the same Pokemon because they both have a black sphere with angry eyes and the same smirk. What if I told you the marks above the mouth are not eyes? What if I told you Wynaut and Wobbuffet's eyes are on their tail and that's it? Why couldn't they have more than 2 eyes? Wynaut (why not) three or four in total? Mawile has two mouths, anything goes. The second theory would work better if the Galarian forms of the birds appeared in Kalos as well which is based on France which is even closer to Spain than the UK is. The third theory is so good that I'm accepting it in my head canon. You wouldn't mistake a Voltorb or an Amoongus for a potion right? But you would mistake a mimic for a treasure chest.
So Wynaut and Wobbbufet are like Mimikyu? I think the vines are part of tangela and the shell is part of Shellder. Do you also think real clams' shells aren't part of them? I still don't think the Galarian forms would be called that if they are not from Galar. If you believe Professor Laventon theory 3 is definitely wrong. He says that pokémon have the ability to shrink, and that's how they fit inside pokéballs.
Tbh any theory regarding names has very little merit. Since there is unique names for French, German, English and Japanese (of course with exception like Lucario or most legendaries). As an example Flygon being a dragon because its Dragonfly makes no sense in german. The german name being Libelldra, Libelle being the german word for dragonfly wich has no linking to dragons at all.
So I was going to use Legends Arceus to debunk the item ball theory because they state the Pokeball works because the Pokemons genetics allow them to shrink or something along those lines, it was stupid. But what if the Pokeball digitizes the pokemon like we've all probably assumed up to this point, they just misunderstood what was happening because they lacked digital technology. The only thing weird to me about this concept is pokeballs ability to digitize a pokemon before the technology for computers has even been invented. Pokemon are digimon confirmed.
The item ball theory sounds nice, but one argument was completely off thank to official (but vastly hated) piece of lore. The argument was something like "If they have the technology to fit those massive beasts inside a ball (...)" which is abolished in Legend Arceus where professor Laventon at the very beginning of the game says that pokemon has a mysterious power to change their size and fit into small objects and this was inspired people to create pokeball - use their power of shrinking for capturing them in man-made objects. And yes it is vastly hated explanation, and personally I think they tried too hard to seriously explain how on earth the pokeballs could work so deep in the past (and why there are no stacks of fainted pokemon anywhere after your level grinding, since fainted pokemon propably automatically protects themselves from danger by shrinking to microscopical size until they recover) but it is still official lore, so people may not necessary created technology to shrink pokemon and items rather found a way for mass producig object that pokemon will try to hide iside. PS. And I lawys thouth it was neat that instead of standard treasure chest in pokemon world they made their treasure boxes into pokeball shape
I liked my old theory about how Pokémon time worked in the anime. Basically, it was that the Pokémon series experiences the four seasons three times a year (like in the Unova games) and while they do have regular years, an actual aging year for humans only occurs on a leap year. It was weird and honestly a bit complicated, but it made more sense to me than believing that the Pokémon anime was just Ash in Neverland, especially with all the mentions that a whole year has passed in some of the early Pokémon media. (when they returned to Viridian City the first time for Ash’s eighth badge and the Pokémon Party in the Pichu Brothers short) Sadly, this theory is officially not true, but at least now we know why nothing changes in the games unless outside influence is introduced.
I heard a similar theory about Wynaut and Wobbuffet, that they are actually the evolved forms of Unown. The part of the theory that gets me is their typing, both Wynaut and Wobbuffet are Psychic types, but since they're based on punching bags, wouldn't the Normal type work better? I mean, I'm pretty sure a Fighting type would have little trouble beating up a punching bag. However, if they were Psychic types because they're pre-evolved form was, aka Unown, it would make more sense. Also, Unown appears right before Wubboffet in the national Dex.
I can back up the “secret Pokéball” theory with some very critical evidence: PCs in the earlier Pokémon games. You could store items in them. The PCs could take the digitized data of a Pokémon and store it until later… but you can also store items in them in certain games. And you could put an infinite amount of items in there, therefore they aren’t being kept in a little stash hiding under the PC. They are being digitized too, like Pokémon.
I like to think in my head that Red completes the Pokédex before the playable character does in every game and only Professor Oak knows. They let the Pokémon Professor of that region get the glory. We know Red’s got the same obsession with Pokémon as Professor Oak and has the same dream of recording the detailed information of every single species of Pokémon there is. Legendaries are all open too, because of Ultra Wormholes. So only single mythicals are out of his reach.
To the birds ... it might be similar to meowth where we have kantonian , alolan , and galarian , and it originating (in theory) from galar even when it have other forms in kanto and alola It could work simiularry in here , that there is going to be kantonian birds (first we knew ) then galarian (the new ones ) and then the original ones being paldean forms with even different form being THE FIRST encountered ... and being renamed after them in different regions -eventually these will be just renamed from galarian to paldean and will appear in paldea living bit of unused oportunity( especially that game freak shows last time big favorization of kanto Pokemons )-
No, pokeballs abuse pokemon's natural ability to shrink in size. It's said in the book that pokeball was invented after the overdosed Primeape crawled into professor... what was his name... Nishinomori?.. glasses case.
I have a theory that all the dark blob pokemon (shelder, tangla, snorut, etc), voltorb, and wobbufett are all either dead pokemon or people. When something dies, it turns into a gastly. Some gastly go and haunt the places they are buried (lavender town tower), but some go and posses/inhabit certain objects. If said gastly was a human, it will haunt its burial place. If that place is destroyed/they were never given a proper funeral, they turn into Yamask, holding onto the memory of their face in a mask as the last thing remaining of their past selves once they are forgotten. If the Gastly was a pokemon, it will go and find something that reminds them of where they used to live (A shell in the sea, or a tangle of vines). If they had a trainer, they posses a pokeball turning into voltorb. Snorunt is made if something dies of cold or on a snowy mountain.
What if the identity of the black blob Pokémon from the first theory was actually Mimikyu? The mimikyu we know just couldn’t find a body, so it threw a pikachu costume over itself.
My friend came up with the terrible theory that there’s a secret underground organization that works for arceus that puts eggs in the daycare for your Pokémon because Pokémon is a kid-friendly video game. Neither of us believes it, but it’s fun to think about.
The item pokéball theory is great but in legends arceus professor laventon said that Pokémon shrink to fit in pokéballs. So pokéballs don’t technically shrink things.
The wobbufett theory isn’t an unbelievable theory like the title and your description suggests it’s basically confirmed and it makes perfect sense so 🤷♂️
So the translators for Red and Green were like "Listen, I know these birds have completely separate japanese names... BUT - hear me out - what if we connect them with a theme? Here, we'll adapt the elemental names they have in the original and slap the spanish words for one, two and three at the end. You know, in case they make a region based on Spain in around 25 years."
