I hear that Pioneer, now under the new brand of AlphaTheta are moving towards making everything subscription-based on future products. You'll have to now pay all sorts of extra fee's on top of buying the units to use certain features etc which will kill the brand and price out a huge chunk of the market. If that's all true, it's seems Pioneers days as kings of the DJ box may soon come to end... I hope I'm wrong or misinformed on that, but if not - what a pity... i guess as they say, all good things must come to end.
Unfortunately this is the goal for most corporations. They are no longer content with making money from good products, they must exploit their customers in ever changing ways to extract as many cents from the customer as possible.
It is called enshittification (alternately, crapification and platform decay) and it is a corporate plague that is present everywhere from Netflix to Pioneer. It is very real and happening.
+1. Not allergic to playing analogue or digital. Hyperallergic for companies that think they are an insurance company with their subscription based business model.
Pioneer are still more robust, but it’s not a million miles away. My advice is buy a pair of 1210s and use DVS, best of both worlds then. My 1210s with Serato are way better featured than a CDJ.
Denon started of good in the early 90s, but never could beat Pioneer in the club from the year 2000 on. Since SC5000, and even more with SC6000, Denon has a product that is as good as the CDJ3000. This is a huge leap closing the gap. To some extend the Denon out performs the the CDJ3000. I don't think Denon will be a the industry standard any time soon. In the end everybody has to make most out of the gear you got. Anyone comfortable using the pitch, the platter and the cue and play button could start playing in the club. All the rest is just there to overcome boredem or boosting energy to the music. But all of this is less important with good choice of music. You could bring something extra with the functions available, but sometimes less is more. If you can dj on an old CDJ, you could as well do the same on later CDJ models.
Unfortunately having every feature under the sun crammed in and being a pinch better won't make Denon the industry standard. Denon needs something ground breaking to truly break Pioneers dominance.
@@DJ.B_74 Well my Prime 2 has touch screen FX, an internal SSD (that is lightning fast for exports), the match feature on the library, more effects, better streaming capabilities, a sampler (admittedly basic) and various other functions that the XDJ-RX3 as a comparison doesn't do, and came in £700 cheaper. This is before we account for forthcoming updates that will add even more features, for free. Id call that a much more compelling option than its competitor.
This should be title "30 Years of Pioneer" - Technics and Sony had broadcast CD players with pitch control, cue, and jog wheels in the 1980s. They were being used by forward thinking DJs at the time in clubs as well. The Denon DN-2000F came out in 1992, and was a standard in every single club (along with subsequent Denon models). Pioneer CDJs weren't widely used until the CDJ-2000 in 2001.
These CDJs were mostly released by Pioneer under the Pioneer DJ brand, you can see when the innovation stops and they just become slight improvements from one CDJ to the next after the Pioneer DJ brand got sold around 2016. Really sad seeing such an innovative company slowly going into bankruptcy.
Where Technics (and Denon) missed the mark when it comes to their professional CD DJ players and UX, Pioneer did a real good job within an evolving and changing dance scene 👌🏻 The future of CDJ depends on for instance the future of mega EDM or mainstream Techno parties. In the 90s and early 00s the DJ started traveling a lot more, and moved from being a residence DJ at a local discotheque or smaller club to those big international venues and parties. With the vinyl and live performance revival in more but smaller scenes, and also the trends in interactive IX, I think the ever expanding ‘growth’ of CDJ devices has come to an end. The AlphaTheta move and developments also indicate this for me.
After using double CD Players for a few years i bought two used CDJ-500 II LTD wich was a blast to me. Then I bought two CDJ 800, later CDJ 400. Now I'm using a DDJ-1000 controller with rekordbox 6 because I think the current CDJ/DJM products are highly overpriced for what they do. 2600 € for an MP3 Player? com'on... But I still like the feel and workflow of Pioneer wich i never expierienced on other equipment.
Find it funny that they all claim and proud not using the sync button, but they all have in big Number in their screen screaming the current BPM so yeah there is no need to use the sync button then is there?
Yeah its kind of a weird cope. "Nooooo I dont use the sync button that will make everything too easy" meanwhile theyre praising the big screens with waveforms and tempo information etc. Like boy, youre basically using sync but youre just scared of a word. I use sync, I have no shame in this. Sometimes I do without just to keep myself fresh etc but if someone goes their entire career using sync, let em, who cares.
I had cdj’s almost since their inception… I had a buddy that was sponsored by Pioneer and was an early adopter of the cdj-100’s, which I too was also able to grab a pair, along with the djm-300 mixer… I was doing things that other local dj’s couldn’t… I had a HUGE library of CD’s, so this worked in my favor - Every genre available at my fingertips… I had all the dnb/hip-hop tracks that people wanted to hear… and I would create insane mashups with acapella’s as well - It was indeed revolutionary, AND I WAS HATED MERCILESSLY FOR IT!… 😂 When cdj’s first came around, they were pretty controversial with the “elite’s” and “purist’s”… Good times!… 👍
This is not really about the evolution of CDJ's in general, just an advert for Pioneer. They were not the first to produce a cd player for DJ's, not by a long way, nor did they bring out the first dj controller. They may be the biggest name in that market now, but this makes out they invented the whole thing! An unbiased history of digital dj'ing would be more interesting.
I'm glad I learned using vinyl turntables! I compare it to the analogy of learning to drive a car: Learn to drive using a standard transmission and it'll be even easier to drive an automatic transmission 😄
This is just DJ Mag brown tonguing Pioneer for a half hour, or did Pioneer actually pay DJ Mag to do a half hour advert for the brand? Pioneer are on the down massively, especially since Alpha Theta took over and are ruining it. Yes Pioneer made it popular and bought it to the masses years ago but they lag behind now in all departments and that has been completely ignored in this video. They should re-name it to '30 years of the Pioneer CDJ'. Denon are making much better CDJ's and have been for quite a few years now. Their latest SC6000 Prime is insane and makes the Pioneer look like a toy but DJ Mag don't mention that. Won't be long before Denon are the industry standard in every club.......
Pioneer have to rename their next upcoming Media Player as XDJ or DDJ 4000. Cause Its just no longer a ''CD'' Player ! However i started and learning to Djing back in 2002 . from then on i owned two Iconic Technics SL 1210 MK 2 ,until late 2008 ! Then i sell them ( of todays View unfortunately ) . because i no longer was playing at the Club anymore . At the Beginning of this Year i bought two Technics SL 1210 MK 7 besides my DDJ 1000 Controller after more than 15 Years ago . Pick Up my two ''100'' Recordcases of my basement , and put the Vinyl on the Platter and put the Needle on after more then 15 Years ago ..A Pure nostalgic Feeling after 15 Years ago again ! Then i start to buy again Vinyls on Discogs ,which i just can't afford or dont know about to be released back in the Days .. Of Course they are no longer as cheap as their Original Release Date from Back in the Days , But for me its absolutely worth every single Vinyl 🥰💙 and i will buy still so much more good Vinyls in future from Discogs :) Modern Technique like all the CDJs from the first 2000 One Model mybee rules the Clubs and Festivals Today , but never can reach the Feeling of a Legend ! TECHNIC SL 1200 / 1210 MK 2 MK 5 MK 7 .. 🙏🙏🙏
My mate bought a couple of CDJ500's, I thought they were crap. Stayed with turntables, used scratch live, and stuck with turntables until I got a controller.
Pioneer cdj's were industry standard. But what alpha theta is doing is killing Pioneer! But whatsoever...I am playing with Serato... 😅 I hope industry would mashup whole cue point thing into standards...that no matter which brand you are playing...you can bring your cue points and waveforms with you. If you are recordbox dj, you might not noticed this, but maybe in future 'coz Pioneer has left behind.
I never jumped on this train because i always loved and still loving analogue sound which vinly media provides....for me sound is first and then nothing more important then this i am actualy an extinct species of Djs which I no longer consider any opinion of other peoples in this business untill i die warm sound will be my trademark there is nothing more important then sound of the recordings that i play nothing itself emotionaly moves me more then sound itself i know they are moments in my mood why do I still persist in what I enjoy? when my dj set surpasses newest technology and sound manipulation and other gimmicks or sync button options anyway if i play wav or flac files i am using controllers and recordbox serato or even traktor software when i am using steams and external sound card DAC for better sound quality..... if next generation of cdjs will not have hi resolution steams features in standalone mode why even bother releasing them? controllers and software apps with mobile phones will do the job with younger generations of djs.
Personally as a dj who has experimented on all platforms. The cdj still has its flaws opposed to laptop dj processing power. The cdj standalone has much to improve. My laptop with xdj is more precise and has more functionality than the current cdj3000, which has a latency problem.
If you cannot mix on a pair of Technics Direct Drive 12'10s, you ain't shit. Any DJ worth his salt in the 90's could knock out a 90 minute mix on a classic TDK tape without missing a beat.
I always wonder why Technics couldn't come up with the same concept of cdj. They used to dominate the market, but they dissappeared within short period of time after Pionner cdj... Maybe similar situation like Nokia? Too much arrogance or extreme self confidence...
Innovation isn’t for everyone. Pioneer obviously spent a ton of time and money developing those early models. Vision is one thing, having the fortitude to pull it off is another.
@@brocklambert yes I agree with you. In fact technics was also innovative for late 70s and early 80s with a pitch control vinyl player. However I believe that dominance in market for couple of decades made them blind or narrow minded and couldn’t follow the coming trends…
actually they did with the DZ1200 CD player. It was the first player with a rotating pattern in the same size as a 12" vinyl and it was able to read musicfiles from SD Cards! But when it came out, the CDJ 1000 was allready everywhere.
They did! In 2004 Technics released the SL-DZ1200. It was very expensive and pretty much a huge fail with lots of issues. Techmoan here on youtube has a very nice video about it
