The UK should be doing huge construction projects like this consistently but unfortunately our government doesn’t have any foresight and ambitions for the future
@@ccjelley2390perhaps make high speed rail from the highlands down to London, upgrade many motorways to 3/4 lanes, build flooding barriers the list goes on
@@canzukcommonwealth7309if there is good high speed rail affordable, we won’t need the mway upgrades. Freight goes back on the released rail capacity, and local and long distance travel is catered for. Remove airline subsidy.
@@garrett69 HS2 trains will go North of Birmingham as the HS2 line carries on North from Birmingham Interchange Station upto Handsacre in Staffordshire where the HS2 line connects onto the West Coast Main Line taking HS2 train services to Manchester, Liverpool and Scotland
Why would HS2 trains go from Euston to Sheffield when it would be far quicker to take a train from Sheffield to Lonon Kings X or London St Pancras International
@@bobtahoma Don't agree, there is no logical reason for HS2 to go from London Euston to Sheffield via Birmingham what so ever levelling up or not when there are quicker direct routes from both London Kings X and London St Pancras International
I live in this area. Its hell. I've no idea why HS2 states it goes to Birmingham. What about the reconnection to WCML 8 miles north of Birmingham through Staffordshire ? It's hell living here and has no benefit to Staffordshire.
HS2 does go to Birmingham, it leaves the main route after Birmingham Interchange Station and goes through a Tunnel to Washwood Heath in Birmingham terminating in Birmingham City Centre at Birmingham Curzon Street Station, the line also from Birmingham Interchange Station goes North to Handsacre Staffordshire where it will connect onto the West Coast Main Line, and sorry it is not hell living arround the construction of HS2 in the West Midlnds area Not sure where STAFGORDSHIRE is though
@@cbsingers Well I live 2 miles away and travel through Water Orton regularily and exept from Gilson Villiage and the piece of land near the M42/M6 where the Delta Junction is being constructed between the Motorway's and the A446 and Coleshill Water Orton Villiage is no different than 5 years ago so no there is no devestation, are you sure you live in Water Orton or are you just looking at you tube channels on HS2 in the area and guessing
It is they keep shutting the roads, the environment is turned to wasteland, traffic jams are horrendous all the way past stonebridge and down to barston and berkswell and beyond
Paying for it over the construction cycle isn't the problem. Overcoming the whims of short term political convenience so desperate to get work started before they know enough about the scope/spec to accurately estimate, then irresponsible enough to junk decades of planning simply to satisfy their own short term populist agenda is the problem.
@@dickturpine2250 That's what Council Tax pays for. Most roads are the responsibility of your County Council - irrespective of whether one has use of a car. Are you willing to pay MORE council tax? Thought not.
It doesn't go into Birmingham city centre, you either have long up hill walk to get to the city centre, or catch a bus or taxi. And it doesn't go into London centre either, so what's the point. Any time saved by speed of train is lost.
That's what I said, but I have been informed that curzon street is right next to Newstreet. Must be something else they have changed in the city centre since I last went through. That's progress.
I think mate you need to either come and visit Birmingham, go on Google Earth or do more reserch, as a Brummie ( Birmingham Citizen to you ) I can catogorically tell you that HS2 terminates in Birmingham City Centre, you are getting confused with the old Birmingham Curzon Street which did not terminate in Birmingham City Centre but at Curzon Street on the extreme edge of the City Centre reqiring a Hackney carrige ride to the City Centre resulting in the Construction of Birmingham New Street Station, but the new HS2 terminus in Birmingham, Birmingham Curzon Street Station will have 2 Entrances, one will be at Curzon Street which will have Taxi and Tram stops, but the main entrance will be in Birmingham City Centre with the main entrance being on Moor Street Queensway in the City Centre next to Birmingham Moor Street Station and next to the Bull Ring Shopping Centre with a Bus interchange out side and connected to an improved Birmingham Moor Street Station making a new Midland Rail Hub
I don't think you know what you are talking about or have done any reserch into this, Birmingham Curzon Street Station's main front entrance is right in the center of Birminghm on Moor Street Queensway next door to Birmingham Moor Street Station and the Bull Ring Shopping Centre and facing the large Primark store
@@barrypickles6546 I think some thing may have been done to Birmingham City Centre to put Curzon Street Station next to New Street, as a Brummie I can tell you Birmingham Curzon Street Station is no where near Birmingham New Street.
@@peterwilliamallen1063 o good they have moved moor street, and knocked down the rotunda, got rid of the shopping centre, closed the roads. A good job because it took about 10 minutes before just to go from New Street to moorstreet. Christ it takes 5 to get from New Street to the Queensway. I hope you know where I am referencing, otherwise I am just wasting my time.
So the viaduct takes the HS2 over the M6 /M42 link at a height of about twenty metres above carriageway, descends about another twenty metres to a depth of at least ten metres below the level of the same motorway below Parkhall Wood, that's a drop of about one hundred and fifty feet within a kilometre, at 'high speed', on a curve; and partly in tunnel. Great for the engineers and contractors, not great for any passengers
@@mrglide7078 I'm pretty sure that when a train approaches the curves it will slow down or else we will see a similar derailment to that in Spain some years ago!
It's strange to see politicals has turned people against this project. I've lived in Germany for just over 10 years now, you can see the infrastructure like trains and autobahn's really are an important part of keeping the economy going. If you don't have good transport links you won't get more jobs because businesses just won't invest in that area. The German government might be lightyears ahead of the UK government, but I wish the German government would invest even more.
They have took the piss with this no wonder the cost was spiralling out of contro if the Japanese had done this it would have been done on time and for the price they said bu the goverment awarded contracts to their mates and that was it a lice print money
A bridge for a railway from nowhere to no place in particular crippled by corruption and greed by a government whose members are totally self-interested the question still remains unanswered as to why the project like so many others in the Uk was ever allowed to proceed without the required safeguards already clearly identified against poor returns but also against political interference. It is the taxpayers that have suffered from this farce and they will continue to do so until such time as the full HS2 railway is completed and not just this pathetic withered stump.
Actually this Rsailway runs from the UK's second largest city, Birmingham to the Capital of the UK London and runs from this junction to Handsacre in Staffordshire where HS2 trains will jointhe West Coast Mainline tking thrains to Mancester
@@peterwilliamallen1063 As it was always intended it should and there are numerous other connections from and to HS2 along its current route to the existing network but I believe you are missing the point here in that it is not what they are building now that matters it is what they were supposed to have been building all along. A railway to relieve congestion and add capacity to the existing network plus additional capacity through to Leeds and by association York. The problem has arisen here with Johnson being allowed to chop the project into phases meaning he could quietly cancel any part of the project he felt gave him political chops which alongside the extended time scale of the project has meant that any additional capacity HS2 might have realized has already been consumed by organic growth on the original network ergo no gains there for the public at large. What was meant to be a connection to HS2 for central Birmingham became the primary route for the project and the stump running to Handsacre, purely a connection for HS2 trains to Manchester. Dumping HS2 services off the end of the new route as you point out at Handsacre serves only to load up an already at-capacity WCML with little to no prospect of infrastructure improvements in the works to cope with this additional traffic through to Manchester airport and Piccadilly. In addition to this, the chopping of Phase 2b cuts out the Central Midlands interchange hub and a new line to Leeds so again, no gains there. Old Oak common, the to-be or not-to-be railway plan and operation still has not been finalized and if the connection through tunnels is not completed to central London then again we see loading up of the existing network already stretched to capacity by lack of forward thinking and spectacularly bad planning. To meet its Green credentials this country needs significant increases in rail capacity and reinstatement of connections long since lost and has for decades and I stand by my statement. What the country got is a railway from no place in particular to a place no one really wants to go to with total confusion brought about by this Tory government as to how this came about and what their intentions are now. Meanwhile, the existing network gains nothing at all from HS2 that is unless they change the way it is to be operated and downgrade it to join the rest of the network in which case why were they in such a hurry to rip up the GCR in the first place, a railway that did go to all the places required now buried under redundant shopping centres and acres of car parks with no one willing to even contemplate the glaringly obvious.
@@jamesedwards7241 Well reading your encyclopedia britanica self idea about HS2 is typical of some one who does not actualy live near HS2 and in the West Midlands or Birmingham to be exact like I do, Being a HS2 supporter, living in Birmingham and interested and working on a Railway I do know a lot about HS2. First HS2 being a primarily a West Coast project was desighned primarily to ease up the congested Southern section of the West Coast Main line from Rugby Southwards mainly where there are not only multiple lines converging at Rugby but a lot of intermodal freight service branching off to different parts of the Country plus the fact the Birmingham branch is just a two track line with speeds not getting much above 90 MPH plus Birmingham New Street Station, the busiest station outside of London often gets grid locked, so the whole idea of HS2 as they failed to upgrade the WCML twice is to bypas this lot and build a totaly new high speed Railway, and the bit to Crewe and Manchester is not over crowded. The next part was that it was never intended to run to Leeds and York as HS2 is a one operator Railway Line being operated only by Avanti West Coast Trains who will be the sole operator of the new trains and HS2 line and do not run to Leeds or York, not only that these two places have fast services already on the Est Coast Mainline operated by LNER and LUMO trains. HS2 which is a Birmingham based project having both the HQ's of Avanti West Coast Trains the HS2 operator and HS2 Ltd's Head Quarters in Birmingham City Centre and its main terminal building, Birminghm Curzon Street in Birmingham City Centre plus it's main maintainance depot in Wshwood Heath Birmingham, it's main core routes are based on Birmingham and HS2 is not being dumped off the end of the route at Handsacre, but if you bothered to do some reserch you would of read that the Mayor of the West Midlands combined Authority Andy Street and the Mayor of Greater Manchester Andy Bunham have met in Birmingham recently to find a way of resurecting the high speed link from Handsacre to Manchester but the HS2 trains will still requuire to use the existing WCML to get to Liverpool and Scotland and part from Handsacre there are no other connections between the HS2 line and other lines long it's route and also HS2 is actually now going into London Euston as OOC is not desighned as a terminal station and would not be able to cope with the traffic. HS2 will improve the existing rail network on the West Coast side by moving all West Coast high speed services from the existing West Coast Route onto the HS2 route so creating more capacity on the existing WCML as for the Great Central Rooute, it was closed due to the fact that it mirrored the East Coast, West Coast, the Chiltern Route and Midland Main Line into London and after Nottingham did not pass through any places of high population plus te old Great Central Line never went any where near to Birmingham, so HS2 is what it says on the tin, a high speed line from London North to Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool and Scotland.
@@jamesedwards7241 The only reason for HS2 was to relieve congestion and produce more capacity on the Southern half of the West Coast Mainline from Crewe to London Euston only, it has nothing to do with Leeds which is at lest 90 miles east of the HS2 line
I take it you don't live in today's reality where many people are struggling to make ends meet and yet there's funds for this kind of vanity project. Let's not forget we already have two perfectly good rail lines between London and Birmingham, but no we need more. Beggars belief and these private companies are leeching us dry.
Its a way to link the london elisabeth line to the rest of the country. No one in birmingham is going to use it, it takes 15 minutes just to walk from newstreet to the new station, so it will take at least 5 minutes longer.
@@peterwilliamallen1063 I didnt really make it clear but i was referencing more towards the cost of it. £66 billion + just for a high speed train line that is going from London to past Birmingham when u look at the original plan for it to branch of towards Leeds and then also Manchester Piccadilly/Manchester airport - in my opinion it really isn’t worth spending 66 billion you’ve scrapped the most important parts of the project ….
@@garrett69 Yes it will do some reserch mate, the HS2 line not only goes into Birmingham City Centre but also goes past Birmingham via the Delta Jinction at Water Orton and North To Handsacre in Staffordshire near Litchfield where the HS2 line in it's present plans will join the existing West Coast Main Line going North towards Crewe which will take HS2 trains to Manchester, Liverpool and Scotland, but the Metro Mayors of the West Midlands Andy Street and the Metro Mayor of Greater Manchester Andy Burnham have met in Birmingham to sort out a way of building the Hi Speed Link from Handsacre to Manchester, do some reserch mate
Its a pity it's all waste of money. Try working on something useful that benefits everybody, not just corrupt (at least morally) self-serving politicians and banks.
surely it does not take 2 mouths to weld a few beams together, should be ashamed of yourselves,could have done both sides north/south at the same time,pushed one over as seen then push other one over, u can understand why its costing a lot of money, ie time wasting
It's such a shame you didn't offer your evident engineering skills to the project, you could really have taught these hundreds of thousands of engineering experts something they didn't know.
Wow Such a shame HS2 never consulted you as you clearly know far more than hundreds of engineers. "Lovely Rita Meter Maid Nothing can come between us Give us a wink And make me think Of yooooooo ..." 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Really harmonising that North and South divide 🤣 what an absolute failure of the project. No one should be proud of this miserable overpriced useless technology that no one's really going to use but now doesn't go to the North and doesn't go to London. Everyone involved should be completely ashamed of themselves it's spending so much money on something no one's gonna use. By the time it's finished all cars will be electric and just like TV no one will want to fit into a schedule. Our first an infrastructure project to fuel the economy and put money in the hands of the people in charge is just as exhausting money wasting as our thirst for dropping bombs on innocent people.
Just a pity that with all the virtue signalling nonsense and the greed of the main contractors the project is woefully overpriced and now cancelled. Well done.
Its been cancelled by a lame duck PM trying to bribe his way out of the mess he created with help from Johnson and Truss. He's now promising 'HS2 money' on all and sundry despite HS2 not needing to spend on those parts cancelled because construction had already been delayed by the Tories desperately seeking ways to pay for their PPE / T&T / fraudulent taxpayer loan shambles.
@Williams-fq8mg The current HS2 Chair / CEO Thompson brought in to replace Thurston told the PAC that's precisely where HS2 problems began. A hopelessly poor estimate based largely on assumptions and a floppy scope of work and undecided build specifications. Politicians desperate to announce work had commenced to an agreed budget while the Parliamentary Hybrid Bill Committee were still adding huge amounts of extra work (e.g. tunnelling) to the scope of Phase 1 (and hardly started on Phase 2b). The problem aren't solely construction costs albeit those are directly impacted by political policy. It's the shambles of the UK's infrastructure planning, legislation and development policy owned by politicians unable to comprehend the consequences of their prevarication and meddling which dogs every major project across ALL government depts.
I know. I used to work for a national Contractor in the construction industry on the cost side, preparing bids. Cost Consultants who put construction budget costs in place don't have the technical knowledge necessary to be able to put a realistic cost budget in place.xtypical example was the British Library. The budget was 68 million, final cost 445 million. I worked on the Crossrail project and it was apparent the work scope at the interfaces between each contract missed a lot of work out resulting in cost additions.
What a waste of money 🤮 stopping before London now. Diversions hours, waiting at temporary traffic, lights, countryside, trees, torn up gone forever, putting a few twigs in its place. Complete waste of money. How many hospitals could they have built?
It’s attitude like yours that has cost the project so much. You lot are never happy even if they said they were to build the whole thing in its entirety (which they should), you’d still complain. A railway doesn’t make much of a dent on the countryside. It is a totally normal thing in the rest of Europe, Japan, and China yet here we you to deal with…
What a complete white elephant this project is! Already massively over budget and no track laid. Completely unneccessary - we don't need it and never have. You could have upgraded existing lines for less than the original budget.Just another epic government fail that the taxpayer has to fund.
@cjkenning schools raod and emergency services don't make the money back hs2 will eventually make the money back might take a decade but it will also create businesses every country that has a high speed rail does well
@@mattgoodchild8215 No Soft Lad I live in a rather nice place thank you very much. And I support HS2 even though it will not benefit me in any way whatsoever because this will make a massive contribution to reducing our CO2 output. But never mind - you keep paddling along your canals mate even if you are using a diesel engine and not a horse ... 🤣🤣
Imagine if our predecessors had taken that attitude. We would have no railways, no sewers, and no fresh water supplies, electricity grids or road and motorway networks.
