I served in M113s waaay back in the day, and when I saw the title, I thought, "no need for a witness plate, the round is hardly even going to deform on the way through". Not at all surprised.
I'm not an ballistics expert but I can tell you for sure, everyone sitting behind the receiving end of that 30mm projectile, is dead. Very dead in fact.
The M113 was designed only against small arms and shell splinters so the 3UBR8 penetrating it is not surprising. According to Wikipedia, the most it can protect against with add-on armor is 14.5mm rounds. This makes sense given its design philosophy, in that it is designed only to dismount/pick up troops from the front and then leave, meaning that it shouldn’t hang around long enough for AT weapons to be brought to bear. This is also likely why the M113 has a pintle mounted .50 cal as opposed to a turret, although given the experiences in Vietnam and afterwards, I think they should have ripped the commander turrets from retired M48 and M60 tanks and put them on the M113. Regardless this was interesting to see.
Yeah, I don’t see a PTRS, PTRD, or KPV machine gun NOT penetrating that cardboard box of a troop carrier. 14.5mm could penetrate 40mm of rolled hard armor at 300m from a PTRS
The Australians just that . , fitting turrets from the Cadilac Gage Comando armoured cars. They carried various combinations of 7.62 and .50cal , macineguns and 40mm automatic grenade launchers.
Yep. M113s are only rated against 7.62, as they were designed to be used as a non-combat personnel carrier. Unfortunately, troops tended to use them incorrectly as an IFV, resulting in woeful under-protection and heavy casualties. To be fair… when you’re engaged with the enemy, it’s all too tempting to make use of whatever armoured assets you have.
@@Prometheus19853 wrong. They are literally no more than battle-taxis designed to ferry troops to and from the battlefield, HENCE the thin armor. APC does not equal IFV. They were never designed to stay in battle Do some research before making such ridiculous claims
@@IC3XR My guy, they have to operate on the front lines to get troops there. It's part of their job. They're not a fuckin artillery tractor that is legitimately never meant to see combat. Additionally, you have ZERO idea of the M113 design cycle and it shows. It's not thinly armored "because it wasn't meant for combat", it's thinly armored because it was meant to be both amphibious and air-droppable as part of the Cold War obsession with both of those things. The prototypes actually came in 3 models, and the one that became the M113 was the _thickly armored_ aluminum version, specifically because it provided the highest level of protection while meeting criteria. It wasn't much, but it was what they could get. Additionally, the ARVN pioneered their used as ACAVs, where they did not and generally could not simply run away after disgorging their troops. It was used as an AFV, with a key emphasis on the "F" part of it, and there were multiple variants of it meant for DIRECT COMBAT. In fact, the ARVN were so successful in their use of the M113 as a direct combat vehicle that the US made their own ACAV variants specifically for the purpose. So you can sit and parrot your outdated doctrinal concept of "muh battle taxi", but don't try to get pissy about REALITY.
@@Prometheus19853 Don’t know so why you have such an attitude, prick. Yes I’m aware they were designed to be amphibious and airdropped, never disagreed there. I am also aware modernised variants exist, but this simulation is of STANDARD m113 armour. At the end of the day, most models are outdated crap that does not fulfill an IFV role particularly well. They were originally, and still are, an APC. A vehicle that is not designed to hang around after offloading troops and provide fire support. Rather, they fall back for more troops. Don’t believe me? I don’t care. I literally serve with these things in Australia
@@IC3XR Lmao that's rich, play the victim when you get called out for being patently wrong. BTW, you should already know this, the ACAV kits were just gun mounts that later got shields. The only enhanced armor was on the belly to stop mines. Nobody with a choice in the matter uses a 113 as an IFV *TODAY* because there's actual, dedicated IFVs floating around now, but when the 113 saw active use it was used _extensively_ as an IFV, especially by said armored cav units. They even put TOW launchers and turrets on the fucking things, but sure, never meant to see frontline combat. Again, you're quoting outdated battle doctrine from the fucking 70s, for a vehicle that has JUST NOW been relegated back to its intended purpose of "battle taxi" because it was rendered obsolete by modern IFVs.
@@jugantic4021 I really hate doing steel WW2 aphe simulations since last 10 i did didn't go well and weren't uploaded. It's difficult to find right material properties for steel used since it was hardened differently at different points. But i will try.
The M113 is an Armour Personnel Carrier. It is meant to be a battle taxi to ferry troops, supplies and injured soldiers from the in the battlefield. It is not meant to fight. At best, it could protect against 7.62, and grenade fragments. However it is a versatile platform and some armies have added external armour that can help it withstand 50. cal or slightly more powerful rounds, gatling guns, grenade launchers, anti tank missiles and other upgrades.
In my eyes there is a litle strange conclusion that aluminium amour is bad against tungsten projectiles. Compare to any similar vehicle with steel armour and I'm sure most of them are vulnerable to 20, 25 and 30 mm AP ammunition.
M113 is still a wonderful battle taxi. That's all it was meant to do was carry troops into positions protecting them from artillery shrapnel and small arms.
Мне кажется, если М113 обстрелять из 2А42 в борт, снаряды будут пробивать бронетранспортер насквозь, т.е. входить в один борт, пробивать его, пробивать противоположный борт и вылетать с другой стороны.
I do have model of it that i made few months ago but still didnt find enough data on what kind of tungsten alloy is used. I will make a video on it in the future.
