Had a stainless beretta tomcat, never had any problems but sold it to friend for his wife after I bought a keltec p32. The tomcat was like carrying a potato. Too bad the keltec was lost in Reelfoot lake when the tackle box fell overboard
@@mikekokomomike Man, people need to be better about making sure their guns don't fall overboard. I'm hearing basically every day stories of guns lost.in boating accidents. No wonder magnet fishing has guns turn up constantly.
Walther PP, Beretta Cheetah, Colt 1903 is basically what you want with a 32 ACP. There older designs, slightly bigger and heavier but they shoot 32 ACP comfortably and accurately.
I have a Cheetah in .32 ACP. It’s reliable, has good capacity (12 + 1) and a lot of fun to shoot. It has happily digested every FMJ I’ve fed it with zero malfunctions. I’ve had exactly ONE FTF with some Hornady Critcal Defense, but the gun was pretty dirty. It ran flawlessly when fed 40 rounds of Underwood Xtreme Defender standard pressure (an expensive test!). I’ve heard conflicting reports about +P ammo in the Cheetah. If it didn’t weigh so much, it would be my EDC loaded with Underwood.
@@philcalvert5432 I have a Beretta 81 in .32ACP and it's a dream to shoot, minimal recoil with good accuracy. I've tried a couple of Underwoord +p rounds and didn't notice anything negative beyond more recoil and louder report but like i said, i only tried a one mag load of them.
Same here. I live in South Florida and we're never very heavily dressed here. It's a great pocket pistol and I've never had a feed or ejection problem with it.
Brooks Pitts most gun & ammo stores call it .32ACP for off the shelf sales. Hard to find in my area, got into reloading. It is a smaller cartridge different from .380acp.
what ammo do you use for it ? In India the civilian load allowed are only 22 lr and .32 acp , and the guns offered for .32, ashani 1 is fairly inaccurate (1903 clone in a 1905 casing) , i am not sure about the latest one though , but the ammunition manufactured here is not that good , it just plain sucks here , I am a gun nut and here its a very tedious process to own one legally .
prabhat singh have you lived there all your life? Must be tough with few opportunities for shooting. So India has strict gun laws? So is the assumption true, that countries with strict gun laws have less violence?
@@grumpysquid I am 23 yold native Indian , born and bred in Delhi (India's Capital) , Its very tough when concerned citizens are not allowed to carry arms for their own defense , and India has one of the most strict gun laws making the citizens totally dependent on law enforcement agencies for their protection , which dosent prove adequate at times , although the crime rate is low to moderate considering India's Population it wld have been way better if citizens had a right to bear arms . We never had school shotings though , but have suffered from Pakistan sponsored terrorism from decades , latest prime example 26/11 attacks in Mumbai , in which few American citizens also lost thier lives .
I find it astounding how important the 32acp was around the time of the world wars. In Europe it was almost like there were 2 handgun calibers; the 25acp or THE BIG ONE - the 32acp. Strange way of thinking by modern standards.
Yeah and think of all the hundreds of thousands of bodies that little go to hell round put in the ground a hundred years ago but I guess people are just real bad ass's these days and are impervious to the meek 32acp round 😂😂😂😂 what a bunch of morons😂😂😂
European laws often stipulated that any pistols carried by civilians had to be "sub-military" caliber. I remember .25s became popular in France the second they adopted .32 into a military pistol because of such laws. In general though, every single thing they did regarding handguns seems to have been pretty stupid: grips, stances, methodology, etc. I think the reason why stupid BS regarding pistols lasted for so long is that pretty much the practical purpose of any pistol for most people and in most situations is to blast a fucker 10-15 feet away from you repeatedly until they drop.
@@Nathan-jh1homany of them. But there were many that had lots of different systems. Especially during the First World War because everyone was trying to figure out what worked well and what was a dead end. But most 32s today are still just blow back because of how light shooting it is
I own 3 pistols in .32acp and love them all, however I'll go on record as saying that I find the Kel tec P32 to be the most versatile, and easy shooting of the 3. Nice video. I would love to see .32 make a comeback! Since I posted this 3 year's ago.... I've added another 32acp to my collection. The Beretta 81 Cheetah. Long live 32acp!
most easy shooting and by far the most reliable in my experience. Never have had a malfunction with mine and has eaten everything I've fed it including steel
Glad to see some lesser known calibers getting attention on the channel. I love the .32 ACP as well as the .327 Federal Magnum. Many shooters only purchase what is available at the counter and miss out on these hidden gems.
The P32 is in my backpack. It has traveled thousands of miles with me in some harsh environments. I won't go into trail stories, but it has never failed me when needed.
.32 acp is my favorite caliber! thank you for covering its history, it was also john moses brownings first handgun cartridge design! I think you were 100% right on the .380's being uncomfortable to shoot in small pocket pistols. I got an NAA guardian chambered in .380 to pocket carry but after shooting it thoroughly, it would irritate my rheumatoid arthritis in my hands and wrist, so i opted for the guardian in .32 acp instead and i couldnt be happier! its much more comfortable to shoot and carry. I also carry fmj ammo. I tried underwood/lehigh's 50 grain xtreme cavitator bullet in standard pressure and +P which i think is an excellent option in .32 as a self defense round. Fiocchi 73 grain fmj has been the most reliable for me and is usually loaded a little hotter than most american manufacturers so that european surplus guns will operate reliably. Fiocchi might also be your best priced ammo because .32 acp is usually expensive!
I’m an 84 yo. male, who has carried every day for 63 yrs. in an ankle holster,a passed down through the family, 1934 Beretta pistol in 7.65 (.32 cal) w/a 3 1/2” barrel. It still looks and works like new, has an 8 round magazine & 1 in the chamber and is single action only, loaded with Hornsby Critical Duty 60 grain FMJ defensive ammo. ( $ 1.12 per round is too expensive ) So at the practice range twice a week, I use Fiocchi 7.65 FMJ 73 grain ammo. I own 4 pistols and 2 revolvers. This Beretta pistol is my favorite and I feel safe with it. For those with firearms older than the Korean War, the point of aim was held at 6 O’Clock at the bottom of the bull, not on center of impact. If your old gun shoots high, that’s why.
P32 is surprisingly good. I traded some ammunition for one back in the panic and I like it a lot better than I would ever have imagined. Also, if you can't conceal it, you can't conceal anything. That sucker is tiny. I gave it to my partner, who is very recoil-sensitive because of hand injuries. She named it Leroy, of course.
To keep your 380 and smaller guns reliable. 1) clean every 250 rounds. 2) test 50 rounds of ammo before you carry it. They can be ammo finicky and each gun is different. 3) grip it better.
If you carry a gun shoot it 4 to 5 times a month so you're accustomed to it, You may need it to protect your life. Practice your draw daily,stay safe !! THE life you save will be your OWN
50 rounds? Depends on the gun. Kahr pistols have about a 400 round break in period. I knew a guy once who bought a 22 LR pistol at the pawn shop and was carrying it (with 4 rounds in the magazine and nothing in the chamber) without ever shooting it. I told him he was probably going to die.
My step-grandfather was a Quaker and Conscientious Objector, but flew a B-17 for the Army Air Corps in WWII and was obligated to carry a sidearm. He chose the Savage 1907 pistol in .32 Auto, as it was the smallest duty sidearm one could have.
I've been carrying a Seecamp 32 for over 10yrs and never felt under gunned. Its reliable, easy to carry and with practice i can keep all my shots on target at 20 ft. It a very well made pistol. Like I said when I bought 10 yrs ago its a work of art.
I carry My Grandfathers Colt 1903 in .32ACP. JUST LOVE IT! Small, Thin, Light Weight, excellent carry in an IWB Holster. I wish someone {hint, hint ] would do a comparison using one of these pistols. Mine is an early version with a 3 1/2" Barrel. Great Video by the way!
I have a 1903 that I got from my Mother-in-law. My Father-in-Law was an Army officer in WW2 and they were issued these guns for garrison carry, I suppose. Haven't shot it yet.
.32 ACP (or 7.65 Browning as it's called here) has been a perfectly adequate caliber for self defense for over a century here in europe, provided that - you shoot your target more than once. - you place your shots correctly - You shoot FMJ ammo for good penetration. Compared to 380 ACP, 32 ACP has less recoil, comparable penetration and a 1-2 shot advantage in the magazine. Considering that both are in the lower range of energy and that, as said in the ballistic gel video, energy has very little to do with a handgun's capability of stopping an opponent, compared to shot placement and penetration, there's no real reason to go for the 380 over the 32 but the long known love of american shooters for larger calibers. Anyway, if you want a really accurate and sweet shooting gun in .32 ACP look no further than the Walther PP and PPk.
In an ironic twist, the .32 ACP hollow points I have feed reliably in my NAA Guardian. It's the FMJ rounds that I have noticeable reliability issues with. Perhaps it's the ammo but I'm just not sure. There isn't much .32 ACP on the shelves for me to try and what little amount I've been able to find is about $1 a round, for such a small pistol caliber.
@@mysticmago7613 Not only we have, but for example here in Italy short barrelled rifles and shotguns are legal, no need to pay weird taxes and such, as are large capacity magazines and "assault weapons" (whatever they may be, but since there is no ban mentioning them, they are legal). Come visit, enjoy the fun, the history and the cuisine.
I have a Keltec PA3T and have put at least 1000 rounds in it. No issues. Love mine. A little snappy but I hit what I aim at. Good video. I think the 32acp from keltec is another good option. Thanks.
Love that you did a video on .32 acp pistols man! .32 acp is so overlooked nowadays but a great little round and so fun to shoot. I appreciate your efforts and vids!
I once saw Palmetto State Armory put the Kel-Tec P32 on sale for $150. It may not be pretty like an LCP II .32 would be, but my P32 runs like a champ with FMJ and the Underwood Xtreme Cavitator +P I carry in it. The sideways glances from the RSO are worth more than $150.
If Ruger made a LCP in 32 acp it would give a boost to the popularity of the cartridge. It would probably increase the choice of ammo. 32 acp is much handier in these very small guns.
Excellent, what else can I say? You hit it all with data and your commentary. As a .32 ACP snob this caliber is far ahead of .380 for CCW and thanks so much.
The RELIABLE Keltec P-32 is also very accurate when we do our part. Yes it’s also a great pointer gun. We get all rounds into the 6” bull at 10 yards, and then when we put Armalaser red laser sight on, it became easy to hit golf balls at 15 yards. The reduced recoil is what makes the difference for shots on target. The tiny difference you found (less than a second) isn’t significant in a real world situation. Thank you for excellent research and demo.
One nice thing I have found with my P-32 is that the locked breech design reduces the felt recoil by a large factor, I also have a CZ-70 which is a blow back and it kicks like a mule.
32 acp is the biggest caliber Mrs. Benthere will carry, she's very recoil sensitive. But with her Keltec P32, she is wicked accurate out to 7 yds.! The P32 is an excellent "Get Off Me!" gun.
@@kazoolordhd6591 Sometimes the men are assuming for their wives, but in this case he said his WIFE won't carry anything bigger. Some of us ladies do make our own decisions on things like this. I'm an older woman with small hands, and honestly I can't tell a lot of difference in the recoil between my .38 642, my BG380, and my Shield 9mm. They all have recoil but so far I can manage it in all three. (The Shield is by far my favorite to shoot, but it's also the biggest.) I've never shot a .32 but as long as I can shoot the other calibers I will. Another + for a .380 or a .32 is that most women's pants pockets are microscopic nowadays. Often the BG380 is only gun I own that is small enough for me to carry. (I don't like purse carry and I don't wear a belt.) Lots of variables come into making a decision. (At home I have an M&P 9C.)
I have a Beretta Tomcat in .32acp. I love that little pistol and carry it every day. VERY accurate since it's a fixed barrel, no extractor to break, almost no recoil whatsoever. And like that the Tomcat has some thickness to it, you can get a great grip on it, and it feels good in the hand.
So glad to see someone talking about a Kel-Tec pistol in an unbiased manner. I often carry the P32, and I've shot it quite a bit without issues. Yes the company has some quality control problems, but everyone out there seems to think they just only make crap guns. I love this gun, it feels so good in hand for its size. Also I learned something new, I feel kinda dumb for not knowing 32 acp was semi-rimless and could have rim lock issues...definitely should've known that since I've been carrying it. Thanks for the info, great video
Wow, Very informative, I have listened to this man in the past n he is correct. I just want to say, I bought,sold n traded guns for 40 years, and he knows more than I do on these 32s and 380s. Most men would never admit this, but I appreciate Truth.
@Baxter James "where the 22,25 and 32 fail miserably is according to fbi, those calibers have a 5x higher total failure rate" - Those studies lack important information on who used the gun in each shooting, so you have to be very careful reading them and infer some of it from other bits of data they provide. Who is more likely to use mouse calibers compared to service calibers? Older people, and people with weak hands. Exclusively? No, there is a population of healthy and strong users who employ those calibers. Now read the study. It shows a very high first shot incapacitation (more so than service calibers), and also high failure rate. What this tells me in view of the likely user demographic is that one-shot stops were achieved by able-bodied shooters who took advantage of caliber controllability to get better than average bullet placement. The high failure rates were likely by people who could not control the gun enough to achieve reliable hits. That last demographic would have most likely done even worse with service calibers.
@Long Schnozzed Tribesman "You’re never going to convince anyone that a 22 has a higher first shot stopping rate than a 45" -- Please show me where I am trying to do that. You want to have a chat with a strawman, be my guest, but do not use my name. You completely missed my point. Please ask someone to read and explain it to you.
I've been carrying the P32 since 2011, though it's usually backing up another Kel-Tec product, the PF9. I chose it over the P3-AT for its easier handling, lower recoil (which contributes to faster follow-up shots), a last-shot slide-lock, and an extra round in capacity. I did just pick up a LWS-32 Seecamp a week ago, but have yet to shoot it. It's unlikely that I will carry it much, though. The little Kel-Tec is easy enough.
And frankly most people do not shoot their guns period. They buy the gun shoot a half a box of Ammo to verify function, reload it, and stick it in the proverbial sock drawer.
How many times do you need to use a fire estinguisher to know how to put out a fire? Not all gun cultures for self defense are equal.... once every 90 days for Americas Arch Angels is the norm....
@@slthbob I'm trying to make sense of your second sentence but I just feel like I'm reading Revelations while having a stroke edit: I've put more thought into it do you mean the police train every 3 months? Cause yeah but this guy is criticizing people who have only ever put 15-25 rounds through their firearm.
@@MrOliver250 Your frame of reference is causing confusion sir (I am retired military, Americas Archangels are those that live at the "sharp end" of the spear. Not costumed security guards for a municipality generating revenue under the threat of violence... every 90 days is the norm for those whose only job is executed with extreme prejudice by default, when you absolutely need to kill everyone you meet not dressed like you.) Does that help with your "stroke" or am I causing another one?
I have both the NAA and the KelTec. For my large hands, the Kel Tec was a much better fit. The NAA also has a lot of trigger slap which doesn't help anything either. I recommend the Kel Tec hands down. The ten round mag also works well and makes it even easier to shoot. And with these small calibers, more rounds are definitely a good thing
Those watching in 2024...or later...look into Underwood Ammo. They make an amazing 32ACP round that cycles in a Tomcat and is within the Beretta recommended muzzle energy threshold of 130 ft lbs maximum.
If you believe that .32 acp won’t kill I can wholeheartedly tell you it can. Don’t ask me how I know. I just know a well placed .32 acp shot will stop an aggressor dead.
The seecamp is built like a tank and of very high quality. If your going with 380 i highly recommend underwood ammo is a game changer along with ruger LCP and you can't go wrong.
My keltec p32 was one of my favorites. Gave it to someone I dated as a parting gift because she was a single mom who has a carry permit but no pistol and she liked the dang thing. I'm gonna have to get another one one of these days. And I agree with the "make a Glock in a 32" comments but more likely we could possibly get an lcp lookalike Ruger in 32. I would buy the SHIT out of one of those
DID YOU MAKE HER DO A UBC BACKGROUND CHECK? I mean, how can you just trust somebody who has a permit, and who you dated? Seems to me that the government should get involved! 🙄 People just giving away guns to people... epidemic!
@@samue1991 don't listen to haters it's not illegal to give away or sell your gun at least in my state. I think that's cool what you did obviously a good person.
I have carried a Keltec 32 for several years now. It is one with a low serial number. I had a jam problem at one time. I sent it back to Keltec and even though I had owned it for years, lost the receipt and didnt do a warranty card, they fixed for free. I still carry it to this day. I have shot firearms all my life and think my little pocket pistol at 21 feet is just fine for me. For all other shooting I like big bore, with my favorite auto being .45 cal.
Nice to see someone giving small calibers a chance. I’d like to see some coverage of the Lehigh/Underwood defender loads for the .32 and .380 on your channel. Removes all of the “doesn’t meet FBI standards” issues for both calibers. 👍
It blows my mind, and at this point it's upsetting, that extreme defender ammo isn't the most popular defense round carried today. In my opinion which I concluded based on data and personal experience it blows every hollow point made out of the water. Even the almighty HST rounds from federal don't come close to beating it. -Superior FT lbs of energy -Superior penetration consistency -Superior tissue damage (if not by width, length) -Superior barrier blindness -Superior feeding (feeds like fmj) If there are any other boxes that exist that one would want checked I don't know what they are.
@@warriorcaste4304 Don't forget it doesn't require mushrooming to work, like almost every other defensive round. Which automatically makes others less reliable.
Lenny Nedza yep. This is the reason why when I watched the video Lucky Gunner put up a few weeks ago talking about ballistic gel, great video BUT... When the guys from federal were talking about how velocity wasn't that important I caught a case of the eye rolls lol. BULL freakin SHIT velocity isn't important. If there is one thing a hollow point relies on it is velocity. And then he goes on to talk about how energy isn't all that important "bEcAuSe MuH TiSsUe ThReShoLdS" Lol Ppppsssshhhh... this is what spending all day in a lab and/or flat range does to folks. They start off trying to recreate and/or solve the problems of one aspect and next thing you know they lose sight of all the other aspects that are involved in the thing they were making a medium (gel) of in the first place... a living human being with thoughts and nerve endings. Energy matters a lot. People who shoot gel all day have apparently forgotten that energy, even if it's not enough to disrupt the solid makeup of the gel they're looking at, is still going somewhere and the "somewhere" it is going is called nerves and all those nerves are connected to the primary goal that we're trying to hit, the central nervous system, and that central nervous system is connected to the thing that makes bad guys make decisions. To say that doesn't matter is either a lack of understanding of human anatomy or lack of foresight.
@@warriorcaste4304 "Energy matters a lot" - except that it doesn't. Assuming no resistance and a pure conservation of energy, if a 200lb man jumps two feet in the air and falls back down, that's a 400 ft lbs impact. Does the man drop unconscious on the ground or get collapsed lungs/heart failure? No. Because energy doesn't matter as much as how the energy is applied. "People who shoot gel all day have apparently forgotten that energy, even if it's not enough to disrupt the solid makeup of the gel they're looking at, is still going somewhere" - if anything, people shooting at gel have observed that energy used by bullets is extremely inefficient because there's energy that is imparted to surrounding tissue by simply pushing it aside. Just like falling two feet from the ground will definitely shake your organs but everything springs back into place. "the "somewhere" it is going is called nerves and all those nerves are connected to the primary goal that we're trying to hit, the central nervous system" - I'm gonna need sources for the claim that "energy" deposit on nerve endings will shut down the CNS before you start making claims that people lack understanding of any topic.
Love the little kel Tec as a backup pistol. An extra round over the.380 and less recoil. Mine like the fiocchi fmj the best. If you ever come across a Sig P230 in .32, it is likely the best .32 ever built and very light recoiling, akin to a .22LR autoloader.
Back rewatching this this because your recent tests made me want the Kel-Tec P32 as my pocket gun, mostly because I can get the gun, transfer, holster and 300 rounds of ammo for $350 or a little less. If I had more spare change I'd consider springing for the Hellcat or P365 but that's closer to $700-$800 with transfer, holster and ammo. I've loved this series learning about these calibers and I'm glad I came out of it wanting one. Mostly an occasional pocket carry, won't replace my Sigma 9, but it'll be a fun addition for the range too!
I have a P32. It has almost a negative level of recoil. I don't really carry it because a .380 isn't much larger. But its been a great little gun during the 7 or 8 years that ive owned it.
good analysis for JHP vs FMJ, and I appreciate the critical review of NAA. I think both .380 and .32 are under appreciated at the range and on the hip. I have kids and they can shoot my 1911 380 for a "real" experience beyond .22. Having a smallish gun in .32 would even be better for them.
@@Xavier_Coogat_the_Mambo_King yes, it is the browning. It shoots great. I bought a compact, then bought a "full size" gun because I liked shooting it so much.
A guy I shoot with bought a scarred up Browning 1922 in 32 auto, gutted it and rebuilt it one winter and milled the slide to accept S&W Jframe adjustable sights. Owing to the better sights and the size of the platform he shoots literally one hole groups with that pistol. It is a great pistol for what it is. Besides the 32 autos mentioned, older ones like the Browning 1922, Colt 1903, Walther PPK & PPKS, CZ 50 & 70, Beretta 19345, S&W 1913 35 S&W (yes it will run very happily with 32 acp) are all commonly encountered on the used market and most would serve very nicely as a sidearm.
Great subject, love shooting my .32's, however all mil-surp stuff, Beretta, Walther ,FEG etc., except the NAA Gardian, which you hate, but always better than a sharp stick, lol. Thanks for posting this great series!
My .32 acp is an FN 1910. It is a really beautiful pistol. I found it in the Mojave Desert. It was in very rough condition and missing several parts. I restored it. It shoots really well and is pretty accurate. I had rimlock problems until the mag was tuned. Having a .32 acp is better than no firearm. Oh yeah with an almost 4" barrel my .32 acp is plenty of close range protection. I also have a tool to convert a fmj ammo into hollow point. It work very well. I shoot my 32 often.
Cuts a big X in the gel block... looks impressive as hell. However, when it was tested on actual hogs in I forget which Nordic country, it just made bullet holes... not near as impressive.
@@marcusborderlands6177 What actual tests? The devastation it does to gel blocks is highly impressive, but the damage to hog cadavers was lacking. We need some real street data.
it's been a minute since I did the math, but the p32 fully loaded is around 9oz which is baiscally zero even as pocket pistols go. I consider buying a p32 as a gun that can go into any pocket and be hardly if noticed at all.
I think Lehigh 32 Xtreme Cavitator and Underwood Xtreme Defender are the best choices. Best penetration AND wound channel. Also Sellier and Bellot has a strong fmj rated with 1050 fps but this is from a longer 3-4 inch barrel I guess. The 7,65mm in europe were much stronger than the .32 acp. They were known for overpenetration!
..... I’ve owned a P32 for 10 years.... I always carry it on bike rides in a frame bag behind the handle bars.... Underwood/ Lehigh cavitator is my chosen round ever since MAC did gel test with them.
@@santarogasurplus4300 Still much. I guess the 1200 are from a CZ 50 or 83 both have a 3.8 inch barrel. But I was wrong it is rated with 1050 fps. There is a 75gr lead load from buffalo bore ratetd with 1150fps
I just picked up a North American Arms .32 today $300 came with both front pocket and rear pocket holsters and 3 mags, extra grips. Looking forward to trying it out
Loving my P32 with FMJ. My wife and daughter have both shot this and like it also. I’d buy two more for them if they ever decided to carry (working on that)
For the suggestion box: If you have a block left over, cut it short and leave a gap between that and the next one so we can see if the FMJ has energy to hurt the last block of gel.
My P32 is a gem and so easy to carry. Yes, it's meant for up close and personal ranges. I often carry as backup but with summer weather it can easily be carried when wearing shorts or even swimsuit. Always carry in good pocket holster and if you load the magazine carefully you won't have rim lock issues. Cost and performance of ammo isn't an issue because I reload all my ammo.
Many moons ago I owned a Beretta M82w in .32 ACP. Ergonomically it was a well fitting mid-size auto loader. I was a hand loader then and found the gun very particular as to what could be fed from its magazine. Its small case size and pressure curve demanded a very fast powder (Bullseye) and a very hard cast bullet for reliable feeding and extraction. If I had continued to own this fine pistol I would of had the barrel feed ramp polished and a couple of additional magazines for the gun. Have to agree with Lucky; its the lack of pistols (such as the M82w) with really good sights and availability of ammo that has negatively affected what would actually be a decent round for paper punching and fundamental pistol training. With it and the .380 ACP, bullet placement in quantity is of primary importance in absence of sheer impact power when discouraging a perp determined to do you bodily harm.
I have one of these. It's lighter and smaller than an lcp. I painted the sights. Carry an extra flush mag for it. And load it with extreme cavitator ammo which is arguably better than .380.
In '96 my dad bought me a Beretta Tom-Cat .32acp , and (3) weeks ago I fired-it for the 1st time . I never thought the .32acp was a wise decision when it came down to "Self-Defense" . I still don't , however , after firing my Tom-Cat I've changed my mind . This is a close-proximity "ONLY" cartridge , and the Tom-Cat fits the role.........Perfectly !
Great episode! I'm really interested in these pocket pistols and this RU-vid series has been very informative. This is why I subscribe to this channel and enjoyed it so much. Great info, great presentation - very understandable for someone like myself has not shot these small caliber pistols before.
Im sharing this , to every schmuck I know who has bashed my putting sights on my p32 Not affiliated with the company but very happy with Inovative Arms milling and refinishing and sight install on my P32 .. Rim lock isnt a issue if you use the right ammo FMJ ammo is a lil peppier round anyway . I would love to see the return of the I frame revolver in .32 mag or 32 acp
Back approximately a decade ago, I wanted a very tiny pocket Kel-Tec p32s were everywhere and were cheap. I went to one store that had a whole counter full of them and all the colors the rainbow. Since the clerk all but pressured me into trying them out I picked up eight of them and each one had a perceptibly different spring rate to cock it. I've never seen anything that wildly different in brand new pistols some were smooth some were gritty. I was going with a friend who wanted to buy a concealed carry pistol and it's what she had in mind. We both went away knowing we wanted something very different from that.
Underwood is now manufacturing 32 ACP 55 gr Xtreme Defender in standard P & +P. It would be nice to know how its performs and consistency of performance. They are also making 380 ACP Xtreme Defender now.
You have to be careful what pistol you use it with though. Some 32’s are not meant to take the pressure and a Seacamp actually states to only use Wolf steel case ammo.
Just got done shooting some .32 ACP today. Got myself a Spanish made Ruby from 1921, shoots a bit low but shoots smooth and consistent groups. I've been an advocate for .32 ACP for quite some time now and will likely always be an advocate for one. Getting good expansion and penetration with Silver Tips in both a revolver and the Ruby. Super small may not always be the best with .32 ACP, but a huge pro is you can get ultra tiny guns. Btw... there may not be as much data but looks at the number dead from them in WW1, looks at how effective similar calibers were during the era which they were prominent. That should reveal a lot. Graveyards full of people from those eras as well as even modern day in places like Mexico where it's still widely popular. I do wish there was more technical data but the fact is, it's no less effective than a .380 ACP on average.
A Romanian MD-74, a Cold War PPK clone, in .32acp is my daily carry. I've put 3 shots inside the size of a quarter at 7 yards with it, I probably just got lucky though.
Intelligent and straightforward discussion of the issues with various guns. The final comments were especially illuminating. Subscribed. I'm not a "gun-person" per se, but I know and respect the history of my country. And shooting is fun. Responsible adults can have nice things.
Lmao! I think he's trying to say it felt like carrying half a gun! All handguns, especially ones for concealed defensive use are a compromise! Remember the first rule....have a gun on you!
Nothing wrong with a 32, if that is all you have. Don't take it hunting (unless you are Paul Harrell, who claims either he did or witnessed a deer taken with a .25 ACP). I noticed the difference in recoil between the p32 and the tomcat. I am not very good with a tomcat and don't carry it much at all. I got it as an addition to my carry choices. In that size, don't laugh, a RM 3680 is much better and cheaper alternative.
@@tombats6428 if you're speaking of the Remington 380 then I don't think many ppl would/should laugh. That is a great gun for CCW. It's one of the best 380's I've ever shot.
FYI - the frame cracked on the Beretta 3032 TomCat, not the slide. Beretta tied to address this with wider, heavier slides in their INOX versions. Beretta recommends ammo rated at no more than 130 ft lbs of muzzle energy. (PS - while the cracked frame cannot be repaired, many users will simply make a relief cut where the crack is with no noticeable affect on the performance of the gun.) 8 rounds, pop up barrel, DA/SA with a manual safety makes this a great concealed-carry/pocket pistol for almost any attire.
Please review the Underwood extreme cavitator and new extreme defender 32acp ammo. I hear they penetrate within the FBI specs and make jhp like wound cavities or better.
I had a P32, but I sold it. It was very reliable, but I couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn past 5 yards. It was just too small for my rather large hands. Bought a Sig P238 to fill that niche. Not as small and light, but I can shoot it much better.
I started with a Seecamp. Lack of sights bothered me, as did the "WINCHESTER SILVERTIPS ONLY" (early Seecamp mags were dimensioned for just that load), but investing in WW Silvertips is wise. Check out Evan Marshall and Sanow's treatise on stopping power from the 80s and 90s. The KELTEC is brilliant, and I don't miss the Seecamp.
You make a very valid point about the shootability of the 380 in a super lightweight pistol. When I've taken out new or newer shooters and let them shoot my 1st Gen Kel-Tec P-3AT, then my Taurus PT-111 G2 Millenium in 9mm, they almost ALWAYS shoot the Taurus better, let alone commenting negatively about the perceived recoil being so much harsher and abrupt in the 380.
I have a Seecamp in .32 acp. I really like it. It is a finely built heirloom quality gun. I carry it when a Glock is just to big. Zip it into a pocket and it disappears.
The round will make a comeback just as the 380 did. more people carry everyday and will begin to understand that it is capable and very easy to shoot well. Ammo will improve and the pistols offered will improve in quality and number.
Pete Zaitcev well I bought a ton of 380s in the 90s for virtually nothing:) Colt mustangs for 300 for example; because no one wanted them. A few years later, the guns I bought for 300, I sold for 700. The 32s will do the same. They are plenty potent with longer barrels, and are very easy to shoot well. In fact, they have similar actual efficacy to the service calibers in real life shootings. Even better then most, because shot placement is much better. You will see pistols in these smaller calibers continue to grow. John Browning knew what he was doing more than anyone who is living today.
With all the complaints of tiny pocket 380s being too poppy and uncomfortable to shoot, I’m betting that most of those complaints would disappear if these same platforms were offered in 32 acp.
32 acp glock that’s double stack comes with magazines that are made of metal without polymer overlay from factory and it being based off the 43x but a bit thinner
@@zm1786 Oh so true, I've seen several reviews on the G44, some good, some not so good. I think Glock Perfection needs to massage some love into it to make it as good as it's other items.
@@roleymarx3811 aftermarket. 22lr glock has existed for over a decade they should've made a .32 ACP, or tokerav glock, I'd buy the shit out of one of those.
Kel Tec’s sub2000 should also make the reliable list. I’ve never heard anything but praise for them and mine has been flawless for it’s first 1000 rounds with 1 cleaning.
You didn't cover the fact that some people, such as my 74 year old mother, cannot run the the slide on a .380 caliber pistol. While she can easily run the slide on my FEG AP 765, and the Kel-Tec P32 I bought her. As far as ammunition, during the great depression my grandfather and great grand father used .32 ACP and .25 ACP pistols loaded with jacketed lead round nose bullets. No one manufactures that style of ammunition today that I've found.
I’ve heard many people trash talk “cheap guns” and especially kel Tec, but those same people agree with you, and will say this is an excellent pistol! Hope I can get a chance to shoot one soon.
I'm a big bore lover but these recent videos have me looking at which mouse gun to add to my LCP II. 32 is sounding like something I'll definitely try. Thanks.
People used to make fun of me for carrying a .32 ghetto blaster-pocket piece. I had to remind them, lots of people have been killed by them too. And its better than NOTHING. GREAT VIDEO LG ! If the ammo wasnt so expensive and hard to find, id buy another.
I collect .32 ACP pistols from the Art Deco period. It leaves me pretty much unchanged in terms of respiration. My own conclusion is the hollow point loadings are pointless (no pun intended). I'd go for the heaviest FMJ, at the highest commercial velocity I could find. Then make careful shots seeking the central nervous system. Like hunting elephants, depend on penetration and brain shots.
I have been carrying the Kel Tec P32 for 15 years. I have a pocket holster and this gun is great to carry because of its weight. In the summer I can stick it in my pocket without any protrusion in a shirt or shorts. I learned early that the FMJ is the ammo to carry as the penetration is far better. This is not an offensive weapon, it is strictly a close quarters weapon. A head shot will get the bad guy off of you and give you time to move out. I keep it clean as it can pick up lint in your pocket but is not hard to clean. No failure to feed in 15 years with FMJ ammo.
I had a llama .32 acp mini 1911 a bunch of years ago but sold it when my wife said I had too many guns(like there is such a thing) but I missed it. It's a great SOB carry, reliable and accurate and I can, having purchased another one last year, put several very accurate rounds on target very quickly. It should also be noted that Air Marshals and many police agencies in Europe use .32 ACP because over penetration is a significant issue in crowded circumstances and aircraft.
