Well reading this not the RAM "was posted by Australian Expedition Vehicles back in June .... "As an approved person engineer, AEV has been swamped with requests to provide a GVM upgrade post registration to RAM 1500 vehicles. It is not good news. These vehicles have a stated GVM and GCM from RAM. GVM= 3450kg GCM= 7237kg FRONT axle Max load= 1770kg REAR axle Max load=1770kg Total = 3540kg is the maximum that can be certified on these. Note the sales pitch has a 4500kg Max Brake Tow Capacity. Real towing is= 7237 - 3450 = 3787 kg At Kerb weight of these vehicles are 2605 kg. That's only measured with full tank of fuel and no driver. So with a 4000kg van with a ball weight at 10% = 400kg + driver plus full fuel, these are nearing overmass. Another known issue is the factory rims are only rated to 885kg (1950 lb), so restricts them from reaching their full axle mass. AEV has undertaken a full ADR 3505 for a 10% GVM upgrade to 3750kg ( which is for Vehicle Category NB1, medium goods vehicle) brake test on factory brakes and tyres. The vehicles failed the component test at full GVM for the 20 stops from 0 - 60 kmph. Brakes at 530° C. So please do your research on these vehicles. They are not suitable for a GVM upgrade of even 10%. Jmacx offroad solutions is working on a SSM GVM to 4200kg, but will require brake, rim and axle strengthening. Link to brochure from RAM Australia. www.ramtrucks.com.au/download-brochure/" I guess the lesson here is to make a detailed investigation and don't take the sales pitch as gospel"
Good video, but in my opinion required more information on the down forced through the truck with 300kg on the ball. In particular the rear axle load. I’m currently looking at the Silverado, which only has 524kg to play with through the rear axle. A 300kg TBW results in approximately 450kg through the rear axle. Put the two of you in the vehicle and your looking at being overloaded! To quote 4500kg towing and 750 payload, without going into the details, has the potential to leave prospective purchasers overloaded ( and hence uninsured) if they don’t do their sums.
Brilliant. Thank you for doing this. I don't really care about the acceleration. What matters is the braking, downhill while towing. I'd love you to do this again with a 5th wheeler on each of these.
Your review videos are excellent mate. Thanks for going to all this effort to share with us your thoughts on the U.S. trucks. The only suggestion I have is if you’re going to all this effort in sourcing the vehicles, you may as well do a quick review of the vehicle when not towing too.
Good video. Would have liked to have seen a table with the GCM, GVM, payload etc. particularly how much payload you have left when trailer weight and ball weight is taken from the GCM.
Hi guys, thanks for the video. I agree that the only thing omitted is as Daniel said - how much payload is left when you take trailer weight and tbw into account. I think you’ll find these trucks don’t come up so good once you do this. It doesn’t matter that the Ram has 1.2t payload if the GCM won’t allow it to be used.
Thank you. Good to see a real test done. Wouldnt mind seeing the F150 v6 joined to the the line up. Nice to watch your videos with out all the adds & the click baiting & presure to like comment & subscribe. Keep up the good work.
The 2500 diesel crew cabs always have payload issues due to the 1100 lb weight of the diesel. You are better with a 3500 SRW if you want a diesel, but don't want a dually.
Great review , im sold on the chev 1500 trail boss with its rear auto locker and 10K price difference. Plus the ridiculous price on 2019 Toyota Prado help with the purchase
It is more important to highlight the Kerb Weight. The Tare weight is the unladen weight with 10L of fuel. Therefore, the payload of the 2020 RAM 1500 Laramie RamBox SWB is 800kg. Towing more than the vehicle's weight on a rear hitch is not a good idea. I would suggest a dually with a fifth wheel would be a more appropriate configuration.
I tow 14,000 lbs on a conventional hitch all the time. The truck weighs 9,000lbs empty and is rated to tow 30,000 lbs on the conventional 3 inch hitch receiver.
Finally a towing review on these trucks specifically for what they are intended for! Excellent & very professional review with spectacular photography scenery in the background. Though would’ve loved for the F150 3.5L V6 ecoboost to have been included as the dark horse, especially with much more torque than any of the V8’s. Love the F150 Lariat 3.5L V6, but concerned with its towing capacity given its low kerb weight of around 2.5 tons? I have always been taught never to tow anything heavier than the tow vehicle. Would appreciate your professional opinion on this?
It's not a problem towing more than the weight of the tow vehicle as long as you have around 10% of the trailer weight on the hitch. My truck weighs 9,000lbs and is rated to tow 30,000lbs on a conventional hitch (33,000lbs on a gooseneck). My car hauler is my only conventional hitch trailer and it gets very close to its 14,000lb GVM/GVWR quite often.
not sure on the new ram ... my 2013 ram has the best gauge set up one screen ..water temp , trans temp , oil temp,oil press can monitor them all day, my transmission never get s that hot oil temp can get up there. I change oil before my long trips and when I get back never seen a rhd American car /truck
@@michaelchristopher8266 I think those were defects from the early years, this engine has been out since 2014 and they weren't the best when they came out, but over time the problems got fixed. then they introduced DFM a few years ago and got problems all over again, then again ford and ram are in the same situation too now.
The actual payload of all three of these is in the 750-850 kg range, which is barely enough to have 350 kg on the towball and five people plus luggage, let alone 450 kg on the towball towing 4500 kg. I certainly wouldn't want to tow 4500 kg with a 2400-2600 kg tow vehicle.
G'day love the videos keep them coming, so much info thank you Do you think you could do a review on a Volkswagen Touareg 190TDi, it has 190kw 600Nm air suspension etc I have heard the tow 3t no worries and are real good on fuel, what do you think 🤔 Cheers Mick Keep the car reviews coming great job
I went with the F150 when I got my truck. I've driven and hauled with Rams at work, they have that accelerator tuned so hot that I've also spun tires while hauling. They also fold like a lawn chair in wrecks. Normally I'd recommend not crashing, but if you're gonna do it, the Ram is not the one you want to do it in. I can also drop into sport mode and play with a Hemi. The ram bodies also rust the quickest, idk if its a paint or prep thing, but the F150 with the aluminum body if undercoated, should last as long as that motor can take it. I remember when I was looking at trucks, looking at a few Rams 2-5 years old with paint already bubbling. Rams also have lifter issues due to the cylinder deactivation, Chevy's are even worse. I didn't even consider Chevy with the reputation for their cylinder deactivation issues. My buddy's 19 ram has the tick. The 5.0 was efficient enough that they avoided using cylinder deactivation until like the 22 model year (might not be the exact year.) Time will tell, but over all I felt the Ford would be the longest lasting and that's what I consider the most important, it hasn't disappointed yet. I haul just under 7k lbs (3100ish KG) via an enclosed trailer/toy hauler conversion with a KRX and dirtbikes from the prairies of middle America to the mountains, around 1400 miles one way and it pulls like a dream.
I would have loved to see the transmission oil temps, coolant temps after each flogging. Especially the Chevy after 3, 0-100 runs back to back. And you didn’t mention the down weight on the ball of the Chevy which was half the reason I was here. Other than that, great video. Except I had to keep skipping the long shots of driving along with pretty crappy music dubbed over it. I’m all for seeing how they look on the road but I thought it was a bit overkill and short and sweet from a few different angles would have been sufficient ✌🏻👍🏻
the funny thing is you had a nearly top end chevy and ford but a rather base ram lol, the direct trim for a lariat is a ram 1500 Laramie and that can come with 4 wheel air ride from the factory and tows even more, great video glad to see you guys down there testing American trucks even though the ram 1500 Sport is a Canada only Trim level. time to do the HDs lol trucks with 1400nm + please do this
The Ford lariat is just below mid spec and costs $40,000 US and the sport Ram cost is just under $60,000 US so you have your categories mixed. to be on par you would need a King Ranch or Platinum in the Dollar stakes. The Ram Sport is just over $135,000 plus on roads here in Australia. When the F150 gets here in 2024 we can make a better judgement on the price and power etc as the ford will only be available with the V6 twin turbo which is a lot higher in towing and power than the 5.0 V8
@@Sabumnim666 I don't make the rules, this is done by the big 3. Here are the trims as follows XL Ford, WT Chev, ST RAM. Base trucks. Mid level is XLT Ford, BIGHORN RAM, LT chev. High-end LTZ Chev, lariat Ford. Laramie RAM. Luxury Trims, Platnum Ford, High Country Chev, Limited RAM. All of the other trims are parts of these 4 base trims and the Sport is an Option not a trim it's more picked on the BIG horns so you can have colour-matched bumpers and stuff. I know this from the back end as my wife used to work for FCA when they owned it. hopefully, that clears some stuff up.
Super interesting review - Brilliant! Some details on those flash looking vans would be good too. Would not be surprised if you have over 1.7 mill views same as your “Ford Ranger” review. Great stuff - please keep em coming. THANKS
@@MountainTrailRV I've been trying to bring this up, but none of the importers and reviews or public are on board. With our air brake laws we don't really need the diesel 2500s which are more suited to 6t towing and up. Similarly we have our Ute's and SUV's for 3.5t towing. So we don't really need the 1500s for 4t ish towing. We're kind of getting shafted here in Aus with what's on offer. A 2500 petrol will tow 4.5t all day with big payload, cost less then a diesel, be easier to maintain and more capable then a 1500. Anyway see what happens or if it opens up some more discussion.
@@Dan-rg7jj Completely agree. The 2500 diesels are actually a bit of a strange setup. The additional engine weight and maximum GVWR of 10,000 lbs (for class 2b) make payload a problem. I have been running a 2011 Ram 2500 CC diesel since new and payload was always the limiting factor. I was fine towing my 30' enclosed car hauler (14k GVW) at capacity, but my 24k gooseneck flatbed would overload the truck way before the trailer got near rated load. It was always a battle that I finally got sick of, sold the Ram a couple of months ago and am waiting for a factory order on an F450. If you want to go diesel you are better off with at least a 350/3500 SRW. What are the "air brake laws" in Australia? We have to have trailer brakes on trailers over 5,000 lbs (weight varies by state), but they are electric and 2500s and up have trailer brake controllers from the factory.
Great comparison guys. Thank-you. Quick question about mirrors and visibility for towing using the standard mirrors only. I am specifically interested in the RAM. I noted that on none of the vehicles did you use any towing mirrors. Is the width of these vehicles sufficient that towing mirrors are unnecessary? I also noted the Ram seems to have some sort of convex insert in the top outer corners. And feedback on this would be welcome. Cheers.
some trucks have a mirror head that pushes out farther to see around body trailer. I add on my ram a removable ext mirror on the mirror head, my airstream is 8.5' wide .your caravan s are 7' wide id still use one, bet clear view might make something for a US as you call them utes .like my 2013 rams gauge set up monitor water/tran/il temps, oil press set up the #s to see what gear are huge. haven't looked at 2021 ram , 10speed automatic in ford, chevy some are liking the fords echo boost
Towing mirrors are an option on the 1500 Ram. They were the same units as the 2500 and they work well in the "out" position, but they are terrible when folded down. They are also a PITA to adjust every time you extend or drop them so most people just leave them up. I could easily see around the sides of a 8.5x30 enclosed car hauler.
It's a shame you didn't also compare a 79 Toyota duel cab. That is the best Australian delivered rhd tow ute. I would like to see how it stood up to these bigger more expensive trucks.
The Toyota is nowhere near any of these for towing. Max 3.5 tonne towing, so effectively, you will never put 3.5 tonne behind one, ;egally. These are all good at 4 tonne. Tiny GVM. of 3250kg for the Toyota, and a high tare. And every bit as thirsty as the petrol v8s when you really put the boot in, without the power. And that is without getting into creature comforts, and value for money, where the Toyota is just a farm ute, and not a very comfortable one at that. Toyotas will climb mountains better, but this is a bitumen tow test.
@@ralphblundell9479 A 2022 RAM 1500 Laramie only has a 3450 kg and 779 kg payload, too. It's nowhere near a one-tonne ute. In fact, it has less payload than a 2009 Discovery SE TDV6.
I agree with the outcome based on performance and weight capacities. But there are other considerations like price and equipment levels in the vehicles. I don’t think the Silverado comes standard with SatNav
Yes, that is true. Our comparison was based on engine performance, fuel economy, suspension handling, and towing specifications. All of the vehicles had different specification levels so we could not compare that aspect evenly. The Chev was the highest spec level as it was the LTZ and it certainly had some great features!!
Hi. Great video. Checked out the payload on the 1500 ram on their website. It states they vary from around 700kg to 820kg (depending on model). Where did you get the figures for the Australian rams payload? Thanks
The only one that offers a diesel in the Chevy. You have to go to 250/2500 or higher to get a diesel option in all 3. The Ram also does not offer a high output version until the 3500.
Great test between the three best. Only a bit dangerous though as the kept driving on the wrong side of the road. I’m sure they don’t care much though, as they kept talking about “kilos,” so I’m pretty sure they’re running drugs from Mexico.
1423 nm and 475 hp just checked ford 6.7 diesel ,fyi my c15 cat diesel is twice the capacity nearly 15 liter and 550 hp torque about 2500nm torque and over in in Australia our road trains pull in excess of 130 ton
I'm curious as to what's the total combination weight a driver with a car license is allowed there? & the fuel economy of each truck with and without the caravan please?
The only half ton left with a diesel is the Chevy. Diesels are too difficult to make meet EPA regulations in the entry level full size pickups. You need to get up to a 3/4 ton (250/2500) or higher for diesels to be viable for the North American market.
Would you be upset if you bought the biggest baddest truck then someone easily and effortlessly pulls a bigger trailer faster while going away from you with your foot flat on the floor? Well that's exactly what you'd experience in America if you bought the Chevy or the Ram! Ford has committed serious resources to what's next and that is the Hybrid Plus 3.5 Ecoboost with a 7.5 kw powerstation in the bed. It walks the other two effortlessly!
Why would you do a test/review on the petrol versions when only the diesel versions are available in Australia (except for the Ram 1500)? It does not make sense????
Great B-roll footage and transitions and a great idea trying to have 2 presenters, you guys probably want to script your characters a little better. Your Operations Manager is definitely more capable than just nodding and reading off a piece of paper. Feel free to take multiple takes, it would take your production to the level your ideas deserve.
Great video guys, however would you rate the RAM or the CHEVY towing the full 4.5t? (Ignoring the GCM figures of course). I have a 4t trailer and wondering if I could get away with one of these instead of going up to a HD 2500?
If you are going diesel skip the 3/4 ton (2500) and go straight to a 1 ton SRW (3500). The diesel eats too much payload in a 3/4 ton. I was always having payload issues with my Ram 2500 diesel. Fixing it with an F450.
idk i disagree... i test drove LTZ, Lariat and the Laramie for 2023 and i took home the Laramie sport 1500... and i was a ford guy, i still have my other ford... this is my first ram but i fell in love with the comfort, the trim package was way ahead of both ford and chevy and the Ram just wants to go
I would not buy any of them. The best is the Silverado with the 6.2L V8, but it lacks in its payload. The Ford's engine at 5.0L is too small for towing. Why not the Godzilla 7.3L? The Ram also has too small an engine at 5.7L. Why does it not have the Hemi 6.4L? When you are towing there is no replacement for displacement.
I don't think you should be gunning any of these vehicles from a standing start with a caravan on the back! I did it a long time ago with a max load trailer and twisted the towbar!!!
I would take the Ford in the same range as the other 2, that is the mid range ford as the top spec ford is a long way more than the other 2, you do not mention the Ram is the hybrid version. The Ford in this level should have been the Lariat version V6 which can tow 5987kg, has a payload of 1465kg, torque 637nm, 297kw. from . If you were to use the no hybrid Ram the GCM drops almost 500kg. I got the figures from a company called performax international
@@billblonco They only make the hybrid in that tow configuration look at their web page. Unless of course the information on the video was not correct.
It’s not a hybrid, it has a etorque mild-hybrid system Definition: The new eTorque Mild Hybrid system is a replacement for the traditional alternator. It sports a belt-driven motor generator unit that executes several different functions. So basically it has a fancy alternator with selective marketing wording to make the consumer think it is going to be more efficient.
Love watching these non domestic takes on domestic trucks. Interesting note - the f150 is the number 1 selling Vehicle in america. Period. Also no one here gets the 5.0, everyone buys an ecoboost of some type which wipes the floor with the 5.0 for towing power
