@@Gr3nadgr3goryThe difference here, though, is that the stripper-clips are still in the gun and holding the rounds while firing. I think that the Enfield might have been an exception, because I'm pretty sure that it kept the clips inside until the last round of each was ejected (I could be very wrong, so don't quote me on that). Then there's technically the Garand, but it had a very different type of clip, so I wouldn't personally count it.
It’s really a genius design because everyone around you will have ammo. Sure it may not have the ability to sustain fire like a belt fed would but I think it’s practical in its own way
This. It served its purpose very well. It's not as complex as I always used to think it was too, for a machine gun it's a pretty simple open bolt design..you could make one in your garage if you really wanted to waste the time and material on it
yeah I mean depending on how on-the-spot the mg crew is, you could probably load this thing really fast and be shooting soon enough that it might provide the same effect as a different gun with a larger magazine.
Since the arm in the "hopper" provides downward pressure needed to sit the bottom clip onto the strip feeder thing, it is not hopper, but rather a magazine. It really is a clip magazine.
I learned about this type of gun through the game Enlisted, its advantage is that it is easy to reload, the soldier using the Arikasa rifle can use his own magazine to give to the machine gunner without having to look for bullets.
My paternal great-grandfather used this gun on the Chinese front. It was probably good enough for use in countries such as the Philippines, but apparently it was the worst for use in mainland China. Sand got into the exposed hopper, causing the ammunition to jam, and the gun oil to get stuck in the sand, making it useless, so in the end he used a ZB26 captured from the Chinese military.
@@adamthompson626 My great-grandfather didn't think much of the Type11, but he did appreciate the ZB26's sturdy construction and reliable operation. The fact that it used a 7.92mm Mauser bullet, which was more powerful than the 6.5mm bullet that was Imperial Army's mainstay at the time, was also liked.
I'm using Google Translate, but when translating from Japanese to English, it seems to convert the wrong words. Therefore, my English may be very strange. sorry
Also, I don't know if it is known overseas, but during the Pacific War, the Imperial Army manufactured ZB26 and 7.92mm Mauser bullets at Chinese arsenals. They were deployed in large numbers, mostly to the Kwantung Army, but some were also used in the Pacific Theater until the deployment of Type 96 and Type 99 was completed.
@@ヌベヂョンヌベヂョン The english in these posts seems excellent. I don't know if it is exactly what you wanted to say, but it is grammatically perfect, and the words all make perfect sense in combination.
This gun is probably the only thing making sense with Japanese ammunition situation. They have 6.5mm and 7.7mm rounds in service, but they also have 7.7mm rimmed rounds for some MG, the Navy use 2 different rounds because they can’t take the round Army has. It’s a nightmare.
The feeding mechanism is particularly unique, a claw moving in a circle to move rounds into the chamber whereas a typical clip has rounds pushed via spring.
I have a bare barrel and bipod for this gun. The bipod clamps around on one of the fins of the barrel. I never knew just what model and history was of these parts until this video popped up on my YT feed. My father was in the US Navy from before the start of WWII until it was over. He served mostly on the cruiser USS Minneapolis and a short time on a destroyer while the bow of the Minnie was being repaired after having been badly damaged by a torpedo. He was on the Minnie as it was headed back to Pearl when the base was first attacked and seemed to have been a part of every major Navy battle in the Pacific during WWII. After supporting other forces and pounding an unknown island during the taking back from the Japanese, he boarded a landing ship and came up on a beach after the enemy had been neutralized. He found this Japanese machine gun on the beach and picked it up and took it back with him to the ship. He was planning on cleaning it up and putting it on display but was told he had to remove the main mechanism and just use the barrel and bipod. He especially noted that in an effort to clean the remaining parts that there was no solvent on the ship that would fully degrease the gun. He brought these parts back to the USA when he got out of the Navy, and it has been in my family ever since. There was originally a spring-loaded valve mounted under the front of the barrel that could be depressed and rotated into various detents. I believe this valve was originally connected to the gas tube and probably controlled the fire rate. Somewhere around 1968 or so when we moved that valve disappeared and didn't make the move. I hope to clean it up someday and display it. It got some rust on it, but a good cleaning and black oxide treatment would make it appear as it was when I first saw it 60 or so years ago. I am happy to know more about what this gun originally was and its war history.
@@christopherneufelt8971 at least one requirement is pretty clear for this one: must use standard issue stripper clips identical to the ones in normal rifles.
I guess the one bit of praise you can give this design is that it uses the same ammo as the rest of the infantry. Not needing to make special ammo belts for it helps make logistics easier, and any of your allies can lend you ammo.
This would make a great range toy. Not ideal for combat. It used oiled cartridges, which is always a bad feature, and combined with that open hopper, would lead to disastrous problems. It would be great for shooting old refrigerators at Knob Creek though.
For the era the idea is pretty genius. Having your ammunition on clips that all other servicemen also carry makes the logistics easy. If they made the gun more portable and akin to a modern squad automatic rifle, it would be similar to an RPK in concept.
The hopper is less of an issue as the oiler. Much like the Italian Breda 30, this gun used an oil dabber to lubricate each round so it could extract easily. Oil and dirt have an intense, passionate love affair so the gun ran poorly in most environments.
Always thought this was a really cool design. Outdated by WWII but when considering the ease of logistics to supply this with simple rifle clips it is neat. Especially for a 1920s design.
I had actually been looking for a 3D model of this for a few years, Im glad I got to see a video of it with not only a 3D Model, but with a description of its operation as well, thankyou!!
Here are things that could make this gun "acceptable" to modern standards : > Implement reusable 10-round stripper clips > Use lighter materials without decreasing reliability of crucial parts > Implement picatinny rails for modularity/customization Even then, these changes probably wouldn't make the military adopt this gun 😂🤣
The whole point of the rifle is that it allows the machinegunner to resupply from any nearby infantryman. It wouldn't make much sense today since we don't use stripper clips anymore.
@@iotaje1 stripper clips are still used in the military, some ammo packs have the ammo on clips with an adaptor (in the US known as "the spoon") for use to quickly load magazines in a firefight. I can see this type of contraption made as a closed bolt semi auto range toy/home defense emplacement in jurisdictions where normal and larger capacity magazines are banned.
@@slimjim2584 The box would still fit the definition of a magazine so no luck on the legislation front. If a machinegunner has access to ammo boxes he would have had access to belted ammo, and soldiers nowadays carry already loaded magazines. A modern equivalent would be something like the minimi that usually has a belted ammo box but can use M4 mags if needed.
@ZaHandle M14 used a magazine instead of a box that can hold stripper clip ammos. But yeah, maybe the gun wouldn't work fairly well for the military even after a lot of these points were being implemented, just like M14 😂🤣
@@iotaje1 Yeah, mags are the meta for the military firearms nowadays. Stripper clips are just for holding on the bullets inside the ammo carriage box when there's a shortage of mags.
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I played Enlisted for quite some time, and I played Japanese heavily. The Type 11 is at a usual disadvantage against allies due to the Browning but when positioned well and used in understanding the Type 11 as a gun that has really fast reload you can put in some work with it. My favorite variant is the scoped Type 11. Amazing short to mid range capabilities with the added benefit of still being able to use it long range when you control your shots. Just like the real life counterpart it runs off the same ammo as other guns and anyone in your squad with that ammo type can supply you rounds. I really enjoyed this video and the animations that showed off all the mechanisms. You've earned a subscriber today
It's not exactly awful, considering the bigger the magazine, the more likely it is to jam. By keeping each individual magazine small, you reduce the risk of jamming. On top of that, if you need to load something in a pinch, a single small magazine that can be loaded quickly could make a difference in response time. If you have to relocate rapidly while under fire, even one small magazine with you can make a difference, better than having to relocate and ditch everything because the magazines are too large to take with you. Also probably helped against recruits who were a little too trigger happy and would waste more bullets than needed, forcing them to focus on making what they have count. It's like a meal, the larger portion in front of you, the more you'll eat. Same thing happens with rounds, where if you give someone something that holds a lot of rounds, they'll tend to use more of them to get the job done, but that can quickly add up to bullet shortages.
As others have commented, with this method, sand does not get into the gun.Belt-fed systems were newly invented and their reliability was still low. Unlike in games, machine guns are used by two people, so this method is more reasonable. Additionally, there are pistols in Japan that misfire when you press the side of the gun, but according to the regulations of the Japanese Army, it is prohibited to load ammunition into pistols when they are not in use, so this flaw is not a problem.
Man, the Japanese had to MacGyver so much of their military equipment to stand a chance against other nations militaries and won a lot of their battles by either suprise or attacking weaker forces like they did in china, Air power was the one place they held the advantage over anyone for a length of time
I always wondered if you took something like this with 10 round clips and a modern rifle system. You can reload 10 bullets at a time without changing the whole mag. Plus ammo is easier to carry in clip form
Huh. Thats a great solution to logistics. I can see in an alternate universe where box magazines didn't become standard practice a modern version of this using the same method but refined.
To be honest, a quick look at the thumbnail, I imagined that it was a ridiculous joke machine gun inveted to fire all the bullets at once by how they were stacked. Like a shotgun, I imagined the phrase: "atleast one will always hit. It has to."
I'm no engineer or gun designer but this seems as if it could relatively easily been shortened, lightened, given a front grip and you'd have had a pretty decent assault rifle-ish thing given the light ammo
Maybe they originally intended to use it for larger rounds, or intended to make it have durability. Let's keep in mind, the Japanese were largely defending at this point, so troops were already propped up and dug in somewhere with it, so they didn't need highly mobile weapons. Maybe the metallurgical durability wasn't that good, or maybe they just wanted them to work for a long time. I'd imagine the size was also partially for general cooling capacity so that the barrels experience less wear and tear from heating up. The barrel was clearly designed somewhat like a heatsink with fins in order to aid cooling. It might have had other uses, but I'm betting cooling was a big factor in design of the barrel.
The Chauchat also had the same problem during WW1 with its half moon magazines having open sides for dirt to enter, eventually ending up in the chamber causing the gun to malfunction.
so in a sense, this is basically a miniature sideways handheld Bofors 40mm, i wonder how long it can keep firing when it is constantly being fed clips.
like many MGs, it'll likely keep going until the barrel melts. If you have a gunner that can burst-fire slow enough that someone can slap new clips in as old ones get ejected, and that guy had enough clips to keep it going... you could keep up the fire. But just imagine how fast someone can get the thing back in action if they're well drilled compared to other MGs of the time.
man the preview font got me thinking about some crazy space magic level stuff like a machine gun that spew bullets that fly around a screw like structure on its barrel and at the same time doing it like a shotgun reality is a bit more timid and bland
There's nothing primitive about it, the idea is just as sound as in case of any other squad level LMG. On the other hand, full interchangeability of ammo between regular grunts and SAW crew was ahead of its time and technology to make it work reliably simply wasn't there yet.
Thank you for your comment. Having been a machinegunner I disagree with you. But the purpose of public forums is the sharing of ideas, opinions and information so I welcome your comment.
@@rascal0175 Maybe you should look at Type 11 from different angle then. Sure, if compared with more modern designs it may look weird at best but if you'll consider it a forerunner to such accomplished guns like RPK/RPK-74 or M27 IAR, this entire concept really makes more sense. Plus, it was the first domestically produced LMG in Japan so I would be surprised if such design was really successful. That also explains why when IJA was looking for its successor, they based it on foreign model instead of developing Type 11 concept any further.
@@gratius1394 All I said was it appears to be a primitive design. The intro to the video noted the firearm was designed in the 1920s, making it about 100 years old. You mentioned “forerunner,” concept, better designs, surprise if the design was successful, and Japan seeking a successor. I think this is a primitive design compare to better weapons developed in later years. Substitute early for primitive if you like. The Japanese made great swords. Their skill in firearm design in those very early years was lacking. Now it is different. I have a modern Japanese rifle that is excellent. One hundred years has brought tremendous progress.
It's crazy to think about but this gun is the same principle as the M27IAR or other standardized magazine accepting automatic rifles but a whole 100 years earlier.
It looks stupid when compared to other weapons of its time, but being able to accept the common infantry ammunition makes it far more versatile. Considering that it is Japanese, it makes sense that they would make a light machine gun that uses the same ammo type as regular infantry to save on cost. If the design was improved, or Japan won the war, I’m sure it would be considered revolutionary.
@@Blashmack Well, yeah. RPK and M27 IAR are just heavier versions of infantry rifles that happen to take longer than usual magazines, so in a pinch you can borrow some mags from a buddy to keep going. This design just happens to kind of live in a transitional era where belts or box magazines aren't common but everyone has internal Mauser style actions and clips, so having an LMG feeding from a hopper like it does makes total sense.
