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3D Printer 3000mm/s with Mitsubishi AC Servos 

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These are Mitsubishi 100w HG-KR13 AC servos connected to MR-J4-10A Drives.
Klipper is set to 300,000 mm/s2 Acceleration.
A lot more can be done as the motors have enough power, however the belts start to grind and positional accuracy is lost, so linear encoders maybe. (lol)
Using a fysetc s6 v2 and using the Step/Dir signals from the board and converting them to CW/CCW signals using custom electronics.
Printing video coming soon.
Klipper has some idea of what the motors are doing, and I am also using the alarms from the motor drives to trigger klipper.
Thanks to Professor Amjad Ali at University of Engineering and Technology, Lahore who brought this endevour to fruition, Teach, if you are reading this, you are a LEGEND.
Thanks to Team at fysetc for helping me with some sections of the build. Thanks to Kodi at 3DFused for designing this amazing machine and making it open source.
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@philipps3ddruck
@philipps3ddruck Год назад
At those speeds you don't need a heater, the plastic melts by the friction inside the nozzle.
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
now that I think about this, at that speed, friction would really become a big source of back force on the extruder
@C650101
@C650101 Год назад
@@al-Zughal That stealth burner will never be able to cool the plastic fast enough at that speed
@choppermonster2176
@choppermonster2176 6 месяцев назад
​@@C650101use cryo fed air to cool
@ipodtouchiscoollol
@ipodtouchiscoollol 4 месяца назад
time to spray LN2
@a.c.2659
@a.c.2659 3 месяца назад
@@choppermonster2176i though about a phase change cooler and use the air from that accelerate it through a turbo or something and point it extremely precisely
@bengineering3d
@bengineering3d Год назад
Definitely going to need a fusion reactor to melt the filament.
@user-qr4jf4tv2x
@user-qr4jf4tv2x Год назад
boi
@SlinkySlonkyWaffle
@SlinkySlonkyWaffle Год назад
perhaps just a very thick coil heater? also connected to AC xD
@triblax
@triblax Год назад
and cooling? :D water spray?
@sleddarcheddar
@sleddarcheddar 7 месяцев назад
And some sort of gnarly chilled air supply to cool it.
@choppermonster2176
@choppermonster2176 6 месяцев назад
​@@sleddarcheddarI have an idea, s3t up a cryocooling loop to produce liquid nitrogen, then pump that straight into the cooling system
@HevORT
@HevORT Год назад
😱This is completely insane!!!! Cant wait to see more :)
@umitbaba5690
@umitbaba5690 Год назад
Everybody tell you how it can't be done, that's the point. You are on the right way, keep go and overcome all the problems with new designs, I will be waiting for the results, congrats! 👍
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
Thank you, I will
@RoboArc
@RoboArc 7 месяцев назад
Man there isn't much of a point to go that fast 😄 at that point look for another manufacturing process.
@lessdatesmoreonmyplates1457
Can't wait to see how the 3d printer industry keeps evolving going forward
@Magnos
@Magnos 7 месяцев назад
Me too, but i don't wanna have that thing anywhere near 5 blocks of my house while i'm trying to sleep lol.
@bloosabina
@bloosabina 6 месяцев назад
That's pleonasm. Evolving means going forward.
@Jim_One-wl4ke
@Jim_One-wl4ke 2 месяца назад
Looking fwd to see this at the speed boat race 💪👍❤
@TheSpeedy24
@TheSpeedy24 Год назад
Pure insanity! :D
@DailyFrankPeter
@DailyFrankPeter 6 месяцев назад
I imagine this thing splattering all the filament on the walls of the enclosure instead of on the bed :D
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 6 месяцев назад
Finally someone commented this, if you watch my newer videos, you will see a patch of paint missing That's where the head broke off the gantry and hit the wall I have painted over it and kept it as a badge of honor
@onurmemis3618
@onurmemis3618 Год назад
One idea I had for printing at this speed is to store all the filament needed for the print in a pre-melted state in a reservoir on the tool head. You could extrude the plastic with a piston, basically like a big syringe. The next challenge would be cooling. You would probably blow the plastic around before you could reach the airflow necessary to cool the print with room temperature air. You could try cooling the air before blowing it onto the print. I don’t know if you’ll run into issues with warping, printing at this speed is uncharted territory. Good luck
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
I have given a lot of thought to premelted plastic, there is only one problem with this idea, Retraction, for the life of me, I can not figure out a way to perform retraction. Cooling wise, I was thinking of using a plenum intercooler to cool the air below 0 Celsius to create a better cooling effect. The idea is to not flood the print with cold air, that would cause warping, but to surgically provide enough cold air that would instantaneously cool down the extruded plastic, in essence, cause the plastic to crystalize rather than become amorphous.
@woutervossebeld4664
@woutervossebeld4664 7 месяцев назад
smaller filament might also work, yes you need to push longer lengths but it would be more precise and it would allow higher flowrates. It's like what the cht nozzle does.
@e-path
@e-path 7 месяцев назад
@@al-Zughal The plastic will become brittle if it is rapidly cooled like that.
@user-zx4vq4uk9c
@user-zx4vq4uk9c 7 месяцев назад
​@@e-pathpla? Brittle? Really???
@benjimc1
@benjimc1 7 месяцев назад
At this speed, you are basically injection moulding
@Bapate-rh9be
@Bapate-rh9be 5 месяцев назад
Shaken, not stirred. Pro tip: If you create a sonic boom the shockwave can be used to optimize part cooling!
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 5 месяцев назад
I love your comment, I can sense you are a man of culture and like fighter jets
@ericderace
@ericderace Год назад
That's fast!
@mimmolagonigro
@mimmolagonigro 9 месяцев назад
thanks for the content, keep us updated. I seriously think that for such a speed it is better to use suitable XY linear motors with a sized lightness ratio. however, heated plastic and cooling will be the only limit to understanding whether these speeds are actually necessary and useful.
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 8 месяцев назад
Thank you for your suggestion, however I have a test machine with linear servos and it was my original design but linear motors and 3d printing just dont mix well. Seeing the hightened interest in linear motors regarding 3dp, I will post updates regarding that machine some where in future The problems i had with linear motors was, 1) they are too heavy and the ghosting they produce is horrendous, 2) the magnets start to warp even from the heat of bed
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 8 месяцев назад
The benefit of rotary servos in case of 3dp is that the moving components can be made extremely light and thereby, reducing the moving mass allows for better print quality.
@mimmolagonigro
@mimmolagonigro 8 месяцев назад
@@al-Zughal thanks for the reply, I await updates. I'm interested in the system and would also like to know the cost. If you have links or suggestions, feel free to reply. Thanks in advance
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 8 месяцев назад
@@mimmolagonigro The base machine cost me about 4k usd, standard 4080 profiles for frame and other high end stuff The motors I used were mitsubishi coreless linear servos which had a power equivilance of 200w Checking the mitsubishi website, each motor costs about roughly 5000 usd currently
@mimmolagonigro
@mimmolagonigro 8 месяцев назад
@@al-Zughal thank you very much, I will look into the topic further, I don't really need the speed but the precision of the movement. Thanks again
@vinnycordeiro
@vinnycordeiro Год назад
At that speed the main limit is how fast you can melt plastic.
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
agreed
@fluxcapacitor
@fluxcapacitor Год назад
The question is on point. Is there any hotend on the market that can melt 1.75mm dia filaments at a rate high enough for this speed?
@toddsfinsdotsurf
@toddsfinsdotsurf Год назад
Laser time.
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
@@fluxcapacitor the goal of the build is to develop a new melting system as the filament method is just not doing it anymore
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
@@toddsfinsdotsurf you read my mind
@saadqadeer7807
@saadqadeer7807 7 месяцев назад
Wow, never thought i would see a fellow Uetian doing something this cool!
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 7 месяцев назад
Thank you and tbh, Uet was the biggest hurdle in this, you are yourself aware of the culture there
@afullmx
@afullmx Год назад
please update more!!! I really want to see what this bad boy can do
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
Working on an update, creating a new hotend that can keep up with such speeds. This requires extensive testing, I like to show after the product is finished, rather than string people along.
@stefandobmeier2105
@stefandobmeier2105 Год назад
Earthquake Printer 👍🔥😁
@_Xantras_
@_Xantras_ Год назад
I could hear the linear rails scream and see the belts agonize
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
Yessss
@Karuiko
@Karuiko 5 месяцев назад
Killer Move, Serious Series: Serious Sideways Jumps
@WillianMai
@WillianMai 7 месяцев назад
seems promising! hope your channel discloses as much information on how to achieve those speeds when you get some success. Most channels don't share enough details to be able to replicate as they want to hold on know how so no other channels copycat them. I specifically am talking about the two leading channels, HevORT and 247printing. They have great projects but don't share enough. I just bought a second Sapphire plus SP5 and as soon as it arrives I'm going to start modifying my old SP5. I did not do it because I only have one printer and resources are limited. The SP5 frame is good for pushing boundaries. The extruder sucks (the old one) and the new hotend did't change the engineering much, so it is still have some design flaws, such as sometimes leaking filament through the nozzle screw and being a nightmare to switch the heat break. the tmc2225 stepper drivers cannot drive too heavy the steppers as they shutdown on printing runtime so lots of modifications to do. Additionally I'm going to add a second hotend and extruder to print the supports using dissolvable filament with no gaps improving surface finish and details. My goal is to get to 1000mm/s I'd already be happy with that and getting the same printing quality of the bambu labs x1 printing on ludicrous mode (500mm/s) will be my challenge. If I get this printer to do that i then, have the perfect printer. I think everybody just wants that, nothing more. Just some affordable upgrades that would enable them to print on ludicrous mode with same quality as bambu lab x1. nothing more. But off course 3000mm/s is something pleasant to watch evolving.
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 7 месяцев назад
This is probably the longest comment I have received and It deserves to be answered fully, 1 - As a person of science, I do not believe in withholding information as it halts your own progress. However, I still do respect people's hardwork and their choice to monetize their work. 2 - I hope you follow my build and get ideas on how to proceed with your own build. Follow the on going build. 3 - Majority of chinese printers are flawed, not because the components suck, majorly because the design process behind them is next to none. 4 - For mobo, I would recommend the fysetc spider king, its kinda expensive, but it is worth every cent. 5 - If you are into idex, get ideas from tridex and muldex, both great machines in their own right. 6 - 1000mm/s is acheivable with 48v, highly recommend you go 48v. My servos run on 3 phase 110v AC. 7 - I personally disagree with the claim that bambu labs have good print quality, they print, but calling them good quality is a bit of stretch. 8 - There is no such thing as a perfect printer, and as an engineer, thats ok. Newer things keep coming and well performance keeps getting better. 9 - I plan to go beyond 3000, but for that, you have to be part of the journey.
@WillianMai
@WillianMai 6 месяцев назад
@@al-Zughal I do agree, chinese printers suck. But the SP5-V3 is affordable for my budget and has a reasonably strong frame for a fraction of the cost. It arrived and the prints are amazing and speeds up to 350mm/s. Let me tell you what they did to achieve those speeds with the same motors and same hardware (just changed the nozzle for a mid size volcano style and put a good but on budget direct drive extruder). They reduced microstepping to 1/4 of the steps per mm. So the motion board could handle the pulses and the motors acceleration would become better I guess? Strange solution but it worked. Good to know it is possible to use this trick.
@SlinkySlonkyWaffle
@SlinkySlonkyWaffle Год назад
This is genuinely insane speed, i can only think that you should install thicker belts xD maybe 2gt 10mm wide
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
I am leaning towards 3gt as 2gt has alot of issues with slip, even at wider widths.
@SlinkySlonkyWaffle
@SlinkySlonkyWaffle Год назад
@@al-Zughal 5GT >:)
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
@@SlinkySlonkyWaffle seriously considered that for a while, however the weight of the pulleys and idlers is crippling, need to find something suitable as 3gt also seems to be be lacking, 4gt seems to be a good canidate, however the availability of 4gt is abysmal.
@michalpaulas7502
@michalpaulas7502 6 месяцев назад
Those 6mm belts are crying :D
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 6 месяцев назад
Come to my discord and see how much they are crying 😁
@GigaVids
@GigaVids Год назад
we need links to pictures and specs plz sir this is NUTS !!! Also maybe 10mm belts for more speed and less loss , better bearings for the idle pulleys too
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
Thank you for your support, I am currently designing a new machine purpose built for this kind of madness The reason is that the machine in this video has some major issues at high speeds, I will start uploading in a couple of weeks once my CNC machined parts start getting to me
@NeonDreams7
@NeonDreams7 7 месяцев назад
Gotta go fast!
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 7 месяцев назад
Gotta go even fasterrrr
@AliTKhan
@AliTKhan Год назад
Oh bahi sahab!!! :O
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
Ji Bhai Sahab
@lazyman1011
@lazyman1011 Год назад
Input shaping goes 🫨
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
Good eye But the servos have such high resolution encoders, 4.3Millio/rev to be exact, that they can be used as live 'input shapers'
@lazyman1011
@lazyman1011 Год назад
@@al-Zughal Wow, didn’t know you use such nice encoders. Would be interesting which speed you could print with this setup to get a quality print.
@TheMidnight366366
@TheMidnight366366 6 месяцев назад
You might also be the first to turn a nozzle into a projectile with the pressure you're going to need in the hotend. On that note, I wonder if something akin to a lightbulb filament crossing through the flow path would work or if it just doesn't have the strength to withstand flowing plastic. Otherwise you might have to look into a preheating solution the get it right under transition temp before hitting the hotend. Even a few extra degrees is going to work better than room temp.
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 6 месяцев назад
Lol I love this comment on so many levels Firstly, I did turn this into a projectile If you see my newer videos, you will see a patch of paint missing, which is where the print head planted itself on the wall, I keep it as a badge of honor You are going to have explain me about light bulb filament and the corresponding suggestion I have indeed looked into a preheating solution, the only problem I am facing is retraction, how do you retract such a huge flow My calculations were on a glass transition temperature but you also raise a good point Please elaborate further or better, Join my discord and let's get more opinions
@Validole
@Validole 5 месяцев назад
I believe he means a heating filament in the flow path of plastic. Basically CHT but the actual heater, not just a path for heat from the outside, gets embedded in the middle of the flow path. Instead of retraction (which would be limited by the ambient pressure of air) maybe a solenoid-actuated razor edge cutter at the end of the nozzle, or maybe hot-wire to avoid dragging already placed plastic along too much.
@JeepinBoon
@JeepinBoon 7 месяцев назад
Last time I saw something move that fast, I inadvertently clicked the Gain slider to maximum.
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 7 месяцев назад
😂
@multimargejta123
@multimargejta123 6 месяцев назад
Next step is liquid nitrogen part cooling at those speed
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 6 месяцев назад
😂
@morbus5726
@morbus5726 Год назад
do you plan to eventually change the toolhead? The afterburner isn't exactly optimized for weight.
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
Already changed with a brand new hotend, that delivers filament in a new way Stay tuned
@daniellisica3852
@daniellisica3852 7 месяцев назад
lol. would be nice to see it printing. speed is one thing, but have a nice print with that speed would be a challenge
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 7 месяцев назад
Been trying hard to get a print, and I am all for challenges It is my goal to print at such a speed
@daniellisica3852
@daniellisica3852 7 месяцев назад
@@al-Zughal good luck :) it is just meter of calibration and settings. Nice challenge
@RyLeedepressed
@RyLeedepressed 5 месяцев назад
At those kind of speeds, the cooling fan becomes absolutely fucked by the inertia. I would say at that point it becomes counterproductive to even have a cooling fan that isn’t an external module pumping air through some kind of flex cable
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 5 месяцев назад
Great points, I would like to add something to your comment too I have found at such high speed, the fan bearings are damaged beyond repair due to the inertial forces exerted by the moving print head
@tfb12345
@tfb12345 Год назад
I read this in mm/s, was faster than i thought 💀
@tcdiemtube
@tcdiemtube Год назад
I would be seriously concerned about IS tunning ... might bring down the building
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
tuning is actually quite easy with these, the motors have such high resolution encoders that they behave as 'live input shapers' and they perform very well, even at such high speeds.
@tcdiemtube
@tcdiemtube Год назад
@@al-Zughal I can imagine. Originally I've meant in a bit more humorous note due to generating waves that matches the natural resonance frequencies of the building itself... Or creating a black hole heh. Awesome work getting the pieces together, looking forward the next video
@Lucas_sGarage
@Lucas_sGarage Год назад
I remember when the featus rapido was insane
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
New hotend coming soon
@darkstarshred69
@darkstarshred69 7 месяцев назад
Run a small remote co2 line with pressure regulator for steady super cooling.
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 7 месяцев назад
I have given this a thought, however super cooling might stunt the polymerization and result in broken polymer chains.
@gilabides
@gilabides 7 месяцев назад
To paraphrase Key and Peele, “Did any of that actually get on your build plate…”
@GuardianLords
@GuardianLords 7 месяцев назад
The spider when you get too close:
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 7 месяцев назад
And than it jumps on you, which this machine also did, see my newer videos and you will see a patch of missing paint where the afterburner detached and hit the wall
@tombo7719
@tombo7719 7 месяцев назад
new subscriber.. brah.. kek
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 7 месяцев назад
Thanks for the sub, follow the on going series
@Mateo-vx5hx
@Mateo-vx5hx Год назад
Waiting for 1.5min 3D Benchy ;)
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
I'll try, but I don't think it's physically possible
@GigaVids
@GigaVids Год назад
@@al-Zughal don't think .... do
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
@@GigaVids been working very hard on this project, currently developing a new style of hotend , something that doesn't exist in ip yet Problem is I need very high flow and it's been a problem getting to that point, however it's done and now the hotend is being machined I will have it with me in a week or so and than we get crazy
@daliasprints9798
@daliasprints9798 Год назад
​​​@@al-Zughal 2.5 has been done. 1.5 "only" requires a little under 4x the acceleration and a melt rate the Goliath can already achieve (around 150 mm³/s)... and some bonkers cooling.
@trashpanda9433
@trashpanda9433 Год назад
Are you just feeding Step/Dir to the servo drives from a control board? or do you have some integration with the encoder?
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
I'll admit it's not fully closed loop but Klipper still has some idea what the encoders are sensing and does makes some corrections according to it However this is in very primitive stages
@trashpanda9433
@trashpanda9433 Год назад
@@al-Zughal I was just about to start on a similar project this year, but some things got in the way. My plan was to use external drivers and just send the step dir signals and have the driver be closed loop
@RyderUwU
@RyderUwU 4 месяца назад
Holy mother of god
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 4 месяца назад
Indeed
@ameliabuns4058
@ameliabuns4058 7 месяцев назад
LOL this is insane! gosh tho your 6mm belts are probably a HUGE bottleneck.
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 7 месяцев назад
Accurate observation, I am now facing a conundrum in my next build series, wider belts become a nightmare for resonance while smaller belts just don't survive
@Reds3DPrinting
@Reds3DPrinting 7 месяцев назад
spooky
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 7 месяцев назад
5000mm/s machine is underworks, follow the ongoing series
@justchill4886
@justchill4886 7 месяцев назад
watch me go brrrrrr
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 7 месяцев назад
Watch me go even more brrrrrr, with my new printer, this printer, died unfortunately
@OfficialyMax
@OfficialyMax 9 месяцев назад
Have you got a discord invite link? The one in the description isn't an actual invite link :P
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 9 месяцев назад
Hey thanks for pointing this out, discord.gg/uW2W4Ac5Uh This the invite link, we have just made it but will be getting some activity soon.
@alexandredevert4935
@alexandredevert4935 7 месяцев назад
Laser heating to melt the filament when
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 7 месяцев назад
Honestly, that's a good idea
@PiefacePete46
@PiefacePete46 Год назад
Errr... that should shake the drips off!
@juhu34
@juhu34 Год назад
What about a ultrasonic hot end? Microwaves could potentially work as well I think, I'm thinking laser would be very difficult considering the different optical properties of filaments and how different additives change those.
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
Very valid points indeed My thought on lasers is not for melting, but coloring the filament, if we use UV curing polymer that reacts to different wavelenghts, we can effectively produce vibrant 3d prints.
@juhu34
@juhu34 Год назад
@al-zughalch.3761 sounds like a neat idea indeed, allso a gelatinised uv curable resin like proper printing is testing with, could probably be pumped at a higher speed. Maybe it would be possible to flash cure the resin with a properly sized laser to be able to print faster than current technologies.
@drrock5356
@drrock5356 7 месяцев назад
Wow, 3D printed Air! A new, high tech, low cost, light weight material! Bravo!
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 7 месяцев назад
While your comment is a snide one, I still find my work as a great achievement, because I am the first one in 3dp to reach such speeds
@ritirikghosh9290
@ritirikghosh9290 7 месяцев назад
Naruto learned shadow clone technique from here 😂
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 7 месяцев назад
I love the reference 😁
@johnnysun6495
@johnnysun6495 7 месяцев назад
You need a hotend powered by a blowtorch
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 7 месяцев назад
Maybe 🤣
@mistercohaagen
@mistercohaagen 7 месяцев назад
It'll rip your belt off faster than my mom.
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 7 месяцев назад
You should see in discord how I extend belts with zip ties 🤣
@d.shortwave4280
@d.shortwave4280 7 месяцев назад
yea now a benchy with that speed..
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 7 месяцев назад
Been working on getting a benchy at such speeds, the work has been immense but I have reached that point now, please subscribe and follow for further updates
@chrisangelpl
@chrisangelpl 9 месяцев назад
so... now 20W nozzle heater and another 100w servo for direct extruder? :D
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 9 месяцев назад
A 200w hotend is in works with a 50w ac servo driven extruder
@davidl6566
@davidl6566 Год назад
Other than proving it's possible and (very impressive) flexing, is there really any benefit for such crazy speeds? It's starting to really seem like these speeds are nearing the mechanical limits of just about every part, way past current extruders and probably material melting speed limits I imagine the bolts are screaming in agony from the vibrations, and can see the belts preparing to go into a next dimension 😂
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
I couldn't agree more with your statement, but let me add something of my own too. I consider this experiment like F1, most of the stuff is not suitable for the road but still majority of advancment comes from doing things beyond the limit. And yes, my belts and bolts hate me.
@TDPEquinox
@TDPEquinox 7 месяцев назад
800W hotend required
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 7 месяцев назад
Lol, but I have been testing a 200w hotend and for the time being, it has been enough
@samuelhayes5198
@samuelhayes5198 6 месяцев назад
300,000mm/s2 is literally almost an acceleration of Mach 1 per second lol, sure those linear bearings are up for the job?
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 6 месяцев назад
Excellent observation and yes you are correct, I have melted several linear rails The plastic parts just can not bear the heat and melt away For proto1, I am using TiCr4 balls which have a better thermal stability and I also plan to water cool the block itself
@WillianMai
@WillianMai 6 месяцев назад
by the way, we would love to see at least 100000mm/s2 accel + 1000mm/s speed 3d printing with 0.4mm nozzle something at a reasonable quality. Do you think it's possible?
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 6 месяцев назад
Challenge accepted
@rogerwilson6367
@rogerwilson6367 7 месяцев назад
What did it print?
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 7 месяцев назад
Nothing, tried to print a benchy, but volcano was yeeted off
@andyng9314
@andyng9314 Год назад
you sure you want use 6mm belt?
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
I hear your point and I am in the process of changing the belts
@MrXcatalinX
@MrXcatalinX Год назад
No full auto in the building
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
That's not full auto 😉
@snapo1750
@snapo1750 7 месяцев назад
holy crap.... how much is that acceleration?
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 7 месяцев назад
300k
@snapo1750
@snapo1750 7 месяцев назад
@@al-Zughal OMG are those 750w servos?
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 7 месяцев назад
100w@@snapo1750
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 7 месяцев назад
I have run this machine at about 3.3M accels, however that resulted in machine with a catastrophic failiure@@snapo1750
@snapo1750
@snapo1750 7 месяцев назад
@@al-Zughal i think you would have to encase it in a metal cement cage to and everything has to be made of titanium, the belts would have to be approx. 40mm wide to not rip appart with 3.3M accel. Otherwise the Gforce with a 100g head are just too big.
@Elysia119
@Elysia119 Год назад
Random thought, maybe irrelevant to this: If you put the 3D printer in a vacuum sealed enclosure, and then put it to complete vacuum, what would happen? 🤔 The fans would be useless of course, since there wouldnt be any air to pass onto the heat, but that would allow different maybe more effective heating/cooling system? Also if you disregard that part, would the vacuum effect the print quality and how? 🤣 Also would it help with speeds like these - aerodynamics must have to play some role with higher speeds i guess? xd
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
I want to try this experiment, however for the time being, I have noticed very interesting in my experimentation. I have converted the hotend and it is using the 4028 fan, so when I move forwards, i.e. in the direction of airflow, I have seen that the sections under those moves produce cooling artifacts, signaling that the air being blown is pushed against the duct housing.
@conorstewart2214
@conorstewart2214 Год назад
Using a vacuum would mean that there is no convection to remove heat from the printed part, so it wouldn’t print well at all as it doesn’t really have a good way to get rid of the heat, it would be the affects of bad cooling but much worse, probably just end up with a molten blob. There aren’t really any other ways to cool the printed part in a vacuum either, since it is always the top layers that need cooled.
@steven9617
@steven9617 Год назад
have thought that as well: vacuum may reduce the form of tiny bubbles and increase layer adhesion. But the cost for a giant vacuum chamber might be much higher then simply annealing for post processing
@steven9617
@steven9617 Год назад
also I think MIT has some work about 3d printing support-less in silicon gel, no more issue for support and cooling
@conorstewart2214
@conorstewart2214 Год назад
@@steven9617 you need a method of cooling the part as it is printing, it wouldn't work in a vacuum, the whole part would stay much hotter and hence deform.
@eduncan911
@eduncan911 Год назад
But can it run Crysis?
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
Deep inside I was waiting for this comment 🤣
@iniqy
@iniqy 8 месяцев назад
"Printing video coming soon." did the printer fall apart?
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 8 месяцев назад
Yes it did and quite spectacularly at that , I had to make a new printer
@iniqy
@iniqy 8 месяцев назад
@@al-Zughal it was actually a joke.. i didn't expect this. Did belts break? Does your new printer have servos?
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 8 месяцев назад
@@iniqy yeah, I tried with the original volcano on the hotend and it failed to perform, as expected Than a I used a supervolcano and mellow bmg wind combo with a 50w ac servo and it was doing great, until the heatbreak broke and yeeted the supervolcano across the room, burning my curtains I was printing at 6000mm/s The loss of inertia caused the servos to go in over drive since they perform live input shaping and the head literally broke out of the x carriage So yeah, had to design a new machine that could control this stuff, I just dropped a video yesterday, follow the series, it will be worth your time
@RoboArc
@RoboArc 7 месяцев назад
No way the machanical parts in the small ass rollers like any of that shit 😂 but its cool that you csn go that fast. Servos are accurate af. Its really not practical to print at aoeeds over like 1~2k though. Shit looks bad and parts dont preform.
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 7 месяцев назад
You are absolutely correct in saying that the parts don't like this, I have melted the linear rails and broken so many belts As for printing at such speeds, I am still going to try and print at such speeds
@librasd8087
@librasd8087 Год назад
What on earth is this? XD hahaha that's crazy
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
It is about to get even crazier, I have secured some mitsubishi servos with 200w power and rotor inertia even lower than the ones shown in this video, my new printer will be flying Stay tuned for craziest things
@Mateo-vx5hx
@Mateo-vx5hx Год назад
What acc?
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
300,000
@dripx996
@dripx996 Год назад
I wanna see a print or didn't happen
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
The poor volcano on this thing can not handle these speeds
@bbro4466
@bbro4466 Год назад
@@al-Zughal No hotend can... You'd need 250mm3/s for a standard 0.4mm nozzle
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
@@bbro4466 will a modified super volcano with 85mm barrel length do the trick ?
@diesereineNeger
@diesereineNeger Год назад
​@@al-Zughal Make sure to calculate all the forces so that it doesn't break while accel
@benclimo461
@benclimo461 Год назад
@@al-Zughal Unfortunately not, you would need a custom hotend that's over 10cm long to even get nearish maybe. The closest thing we have is the Goliath from the vzbot which can go 100mm3^s. At those speeds you would need support on the bottom of the hotend too. A new extruder will need to be designed too as the current ones are most likely too slow and don't have enough pushing power, maybe a dual extruder may work though.
@SplitPhotography
@SplitPhotography Год назад
Still only 3000 mm/s accel, dont make sense :? What speed?
@nunovicente34
@nunovicente34 Год назад
Not 3000 accel lol, 3m/s it’s 3000mm/s speed. Acceleration is measured in mm/s2.
@SplitPhotography
@SplitPhotography Год назад
@@nunovicente34 oh ok. Yeah, didnt make sense 🤣 So speed is 3000 and accel at 300 000? 🤔😳
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
@@SplitPhotography yes this video has accel at 300k, I am currently testing at 3000k
@SplitPhotography
@SplitPhotography Год назад
@@al-Zughal ridiculous man! Good luck. Awesome
@superchargewither2893
@superchargewither2893 7 месяцев назад
I uhhhh, don't feel comfortable with a printer that is actively breaking the sound barrier as I am napping.....
@magicstix0r
@magicstix0r 7 месяцев назад
It didn't print anything though, it just had a seizure on the build plate...
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 7 месяцев назад
Lol it actually did die, if you see my newer videos, you will see a patch of paint missing, thats where the toolhead detached itself and hit the wall
@SchrauberNiklas96
@SchrauberNiklas96 Год назад
how fast you can print ? Y E S
@danieldaniels4168
@danieldaniels4168 Год назад
Poor belts
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
So many broken belts, I have lost count now
@Killerjack007
@Killerjack007 Год назад
@@al-Zughal Looks like 6mm belts, wouldn't 9mm not to go higher be "Better" Still looks like a beast despite the vibrations seen on gantry. Wonder how it would behave on a crossXY, Keep up Gods Work 😉
@conorstewart2214
@conorstewart2214 Год назад
@@Killerjack007 you get stronger belts with metal wires inside, they might last longer. They do have a larger minimum bend radius so you would have to use larger pulleys but that should affect it too much.
@Killerjack007
@Killerjack007 Год назад
@@conorstewart2214 i've stuck with standard 6mm gates belt. But i did notice on my enclosed delta that long 6mm belts give some issues at high speeds specially when enclosure temp comes to play. I extended my delta to 1000mm Z from 450mm but even at 450mm they ocasionally snapped. Then again i've been lazy and havent bought HT belts cuz i intend to extend it to 1.5m Z Like i said there should be some tradeoff between one and the others, not enough practical testing done to say with certain therefore the questioning
@AntiThesis10125
@AntiThesis10125 Год назад
Dafuq did I just see?
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
3m/s 😉
@Pablosabr
@Pablosabr 6 месяцев назад
😂😂😂😂Обман.... С такими то ремнями
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 6 месяцев назад
I don't see the deception
@AndyHeisz
@AndyHeisz 6 месяцев назад
lmao
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 6 месяцев назад
Just imagine the lmao when proto1 goes awd with these , follow the proto1 build
@danielhastings1705
@danielhastings1705 Год назад
😂😂
@GoodEnough030
@GoodEnough030 Год назад
lol
@peeweewoen
@peeweewoen Год назад
hahahahahahhahahaha omg
@valentinguz
@valentinguz 7 месяцев назад
My sex life
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 7 месяцев назад
🥺
@sethl8905
@sethl8905 6 месяцев назад
Its non funtioning, all your videos are of 3d printers that dont work.
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 6 месяцев назад
Correct observation, I will try to post functional printers from now on.
@laszloszell8753
@laszloszell8753 5 месяцев назад
Insane but useless lol.
@maxkool0076
@maxkool0076 Год назад
No hotend will stay on the machine going this fast. A mental exersise and theory pushing but pretyy much no real use imo..... Need to design a whole new hotend, hotend mounts, extruder... heater.... pretty much nothing on a normal machine like this would work at these speeds other than the motors and rails.....
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
Yup, you are correct and all the points you have mentioned are the exact goals of this build
@Tinkerer5888
@Tinkerer5888 Год назад
Yet another useless Voron mod 🤦🏻‍♂️
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
It might be, but it never hurts to see what the limits are. BTW, you have some amazing work on Hevort project.
@asgokcen
@asgokcen Год назад
It's useless speed. Oh, if there are extruders and polymers that can reach that speed... maybe.
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
The purpose of experimentation is to develop solutions to these problems
@Cncguru-wl9hn
@Cncguru-wl9hn 2 месяца назад
Too fast, it’s stupid and Impractical
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal 2 месяца назад
Absolutely, but someone had to do it
@arteuspw
@arteuspw Год назад
hey, do you have discord?
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
Yes, it's Zughal#9429
@vennox1598
@vennox1598 Год назад
most useless 3d printer
@al-Zughal
@al-Zughal Год назад
It might be, it may be not, but that is what R&D is for
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