It's good that you are patting your bros on the back and all but I think you've been in the business long enough to know that this didn't save the customer a dime; it cost more. Of course, unless you guys are doing fixture work for free or reduced rates now. I gotta say, Jessie and you are what's up. The goofy interactions between you two are how we are at the shop I run. Looking forward to more content from you both.
I love how this shows that 3D printing is more than a novelty. It can be used for complex parts as well as fixturing. I was working in an R&D lab and used fiber reinforced resin to print one time use light duty fixturing. Worked a treat and was super accurate. The fixturing was actually more accurate than the cheap manual mill it was being used on.
Few years ago, I saw a story about a more efficient fuel nozzle for a jet engine that was 3D printed and couldn't have been made any other way. Yep, 3D printing has a big place in the future.
I've 3D printed jaw soft covers for my lathe chuck....but I never considered printing the jaws themselves for unique geometries.....Off to Fusion 360 I go.....Thanks guys.
I was learning this stuff I/E tool and die b ack in the early 1980 when CNC first showed up and if that computer got hot by, by, to that part and production shut down as it most used for just production. Now I watch and the machine does everything but put the part in and lock it down or that's the way it seams. I am amazed how far this has come and now you add in 3-D printers it seams to make almost anything possible.
We have been waiting for this video for a long time. I love this kind of video which you explain how to work on MasterCam Thank you Mr trevor and Mr Tyson BOOM 💥
man, i can't wait to see the assembled aerospike in action. Its really cool to see lots of 3D-Printed parts in practical application from you. Working in the injection mold industry, i still hear that the printing of mold parts is still to expensive, and that disadvantages do not outnumber the advantages. It seems that making 100 deep holes into a steel block, closing all holes with threaded plugs and baffles, is still cheaper then just printing it in a kind of rough-cut stage. If ever, they use it only for fancy organic cooling holes that are bound to clog due to the rough 3D-Printed inside surfaces
Lets be real here. If I was in a team meeting and someone suggested this demonstration as a final solution I would call the idea moronic. Lets reason here. It makes no sense to print STAINLESS STEEL jaws in a CNC printer, which will take a day or more, have runout, and cost more than off the shelf jaws; because CNC printing frees up a CNC lathe, which is scheduled for the job regardless, can cut the jaws in 30-60 minutes at most, leaves little to no runout. The fact is, regardless if a machine is running unattended or not, the customer is still being charged the same amount per hour. The benefit of running unattended is it allows the operator to run another machine, which is free labor to the company. In this demonstration you cost the customer more money.
Jaws like these have alot of hidden costs to them if you machine them. They are tapered inward, and have clearance cuts for the radiused ribs as well as the square ribs.. Most guys arent going to be able to do these manually. So, you would have to tie up a programmer, machinist, and CNC machine just to make a set of jaws. All we had to do was hit print and walk away. The cost of the printed jaws was actually much less than machined ones in this case!
@@barrysetzer I cut dozens of jaws and yes printing a pair could have some benefits but even in the video I don’t see it. Roughing out and than finishing the contour with a inside radius cuter and the machine is ready to go. Maybe half an hour. No run out, no realignment with the base jaws. I assume that the part shown doesn’t need a lot of clamping pressure but when I got 20 kg on my spindle spinning at 1000 rpm, that would be a true test. So in the end really interesting approach for highly specific tasks but for a standard operation too expensive
@@barrysetzer Certainly the jaws wouldn't be produced manually. I've watched enough videos of Tyson; he can do it. Especially since he's already importing the model into Master Cam anyways and setting the job up. To me, it doesn't add up. Time is money. Regardless of the machine, the customer is being charged by the hour. Additive machining takes WAY more time than traditional machining and it's not like Trevor doesn't have time tied up programming the printer and completing the post process work. Like I said, it doesn't add up. I can't fathom how making jaws with specialty(low demand compared to traditional stock) 17-4 material(why why why?) for a 3d printer is more cost effective than buying mass produced off the shelf soft jaws and machining them. Maybe in a decade or two after additive machining has really taken hold but not right now. You guys can shut me up just by saying that additive is the future and we feel it's important to demonstrate the impact it will have.
@@barrysetzer That question is loaded with a ton of other questions. I would need to see the print first. 😁 Out of curiosity, how accurate can the Trumpf and the MarkForged print? Within +/- a couple tenths?
One thing occurs to me here: you only need to do this once for this part. Once Tyson gets done facing this nozzle he’ll put this set of jaws in the tool room with “use with Chuck 15” on the end of the box. Six months later when the rocket company orders 50 nozzles, Trevor’s not going to have to make new jaws.
I feel as if a 4 jaw chuck would have been able to utilize these type of 3D printer jaws better.. not only would you be able to knock out any sort of concentricity issues, but also would be able loosen 2 of the jaws while easily relocating to place the next part back in!
Hey, guys! Great content as always. I'm so sorry that my question isn't addresed to the topic of the vid, but when Mastercam Fundamentals will be published on the Academy? And thank you a lot for a teaching content.
I going to be blunt. Are you not wasting more machine time by 3D printing them? What about accuracy? Sure it will be good but each chuck is slightly different. We had shared jaws between 2 lathes, jaws were true on the one it was machined and about 2 thou on the other. Why not take 30 min and machine the jaws properly?
This is a perfect example of a use-case for additive manufacturing: small batches or highly individualized parts. Do you have any rough comparison if these jaws would have been manufactured using conventional methods?
I like how you guys are using computer hardware confiscated from aliens to be able to run your software and machines. My goodness, if only I could get my slic3r to work so smoothly. :P Seriously though, nice work. I love this channel.
Hope you make videos like this Tips and detailed videos And I also have some questions What if we want to trim some toolpath from our program in Mastercam
Can you explain your reasoning for claming onto the radii with clearance on the flat surface,instead of the other way round.My thoughts are it would clamp better that way..Cool video though,3d printing is awesome.
Is there a way we can implement conductive material into 3D prints? Imagine if we could have copper 3D printed within a similar melting point material that was non-conductive.
I like the the idea of being able to 3d print jaws but would it be faster to just bore soft jaws? Unless Trevor printed them at the same time which would be time saving then, also how are you touching off the part with all the tools. Do you have to make adjustments typically with a tool setter or is your tool setter spot on everytime?
The idea here is to reduce the amount of actual man hours and spindle time spent on our jaws. I can print the jaws while my vortex nozzle prints, everything runs unattended and I can go work on something else. This way Tyson doesn’t have to program the jaws, set up tooling to run them, or use valuable spindle time to cut them.
To me it looks like it's more proof of concept ie.. "look we can do it 💪 " as for this specific part yes it would be no issue to bore it out but on a more complex part with a bit of pre-planning it would be very useful so the CNCs are only making money instead of tool making. Obviously this is just my opinion and full disclosure I've never worked anywhere that needed to be that efficient lol
@@trevorgoforth8963 True but not true. The customer is charged by the machine hour not by the operator hour. Time is time, it doesn't matter what machine it is on. You guys act like Trevor has no time involved. I don't care what you say or they say. In this instance, additive is in no way cheaper than the extra hour/hour and half(programming, setup, and running) it would take to machine massed produced off the shelf soft jaws.
Idk, 3D printing jaws sounds a lot better than hunting around the shop for the perfect scrap of metal to hold jaws in the middle of stroke for cutting 😛
@@BillJonesiii on doosan puma 2100sy if you turn the pressure right down you can rotate the protective sleeve in the front 30 degs and the jaw rails will hold on that lol it's a bit ghetto bu5 it works in a pinch lol
This is so cool. I wish I could convince my boss a markforged metal printer would be a good fit for our shop, but he already rejected that when our foreman suggested that. And btw one question how's the run out/accuracy with those jaws?
I own a small machine shop and these comments make me laugh. Ya let's spend 150 grand to buy something that we can use to make fixturing once every 2-3 years. That being said we do have a plastic markforged printer that we use for fixturing but it was only a few grand.
@@GrumpyMachinist I know. But i also know that regular subtractive manufacturing isn't going anywhere, ever. Many 3D printed parts need some work on regular mashines to hit some tolerances and surface finishes
It makes no sense to print metal-impregnated filaments on FDM while you have SLM: you could basically print those jaws with nozzle in a single batch which would be shit ton faster, hell a lot more accurate and most definitely cheaper.
And precision went out of the window the moment you chose a FDM printer for jaws, more so after sintering. Pffff, pretty lose specs for a rocket part.....
@@barrysetzer 20 minutes might not be bang on, but you get my point.... In say mazatrol it would take 5-10 minutes to program 4-5 minutes to put boring bar and od turning tools (maybe a full rad internal groove tool depending on those features) in holders and probe them (if they weren't already in machine) and what 20-30 minutes cycle in 17-4 (although I'd obviously use standard mild steel soft Jaws like most people would)
But you get my point? Say it took you an hour. Say it took 2? At some point, there is a decreasing return on investment. And THAT is the point. 😂. Thanks for engaging, love it. Feel free to chat more in my Fb profile. Barry Setzer.
@@barrysetzerJaws take minimal time if you know what you are doing, it's really not that hard to understand ffs 😅 I make all sorts of shapes and size soft Jaws, tapered jaws, dovetail Jaws, Jaws to hold irregular shapes, eccentric Jaws, even threaded Jaws to clamp onto threads, it really really doesn't take that long or require that much skill and the blanks are inexpensive, how much did it cost to print those jaws? Did they run true? I'm not knocking it,... Its cool as hell and I'd love to have a go, but it definitely 100% isn't the best or most efficient way to make them.
@@barrysetzer Not exactly. When you’re done using soft jaws they can be easily repurposed. I’d have to agree with Alex. Boring soft jaws is far more efficient, precise and accurate. You can program a boring cycle in about 10 minutes and have finished jaws in 15.
In some instances you can but during sintering the material is heated almost to its melting point so if you remove the supports before you could get some sagging in the areas where you now have have unsupported overhangs. The Metal X prints a ceramic layer between support structures and the part helping with support removal after sintering.
Seemed a bit unnecessary. I could have machined a set of soft jaws on a manual lathe to do the same thing in a very short amount of time. Probably in substantially less time than it took you to draw the part you made. This is why everything costs so much. Guys like you don't really know how to get things done. Yeah, you can make the part. But can you actually make money doing it and what was your overhead?
Great job you did a Great video Plz kindly make more videos like this Deeply instructing about Mastercam It was a great video Thanks alot Titans and tyson especially 🖤🤍 From Pakistan Edicted to your videos
Oriented! Not Orientated! Not a word. Functionally illiterate professional don't inspire much confidence. Sorry not trying to be a troll but that just trips my trigger...
You Americans have no idea, it’s embarrassing watching this. I make parts for nuclear and aerospace industries. You guys use all these unnecessary techniques to ‘save time’ yet ‘3d printing’ metal takes a long time, a lot longer than simply boring the jaws, or make a mandrel that matches the minimum size inner profile if you wanted to eliminate the risk of crushing this part, I don’t think you quite understand the use of making machining fixtures so you use sub par setup techniques. Also you never seem to use coolant which will wear your tools quickly and put heat into the job which can cause distortion in the cooling process, especially on thin walled parts or certain materials like inconel. I don’t really know what you guys are about or what you use these parts for but I can tell your certainly not precision engineers you guys seem like a group of hobbyists to me.
Here's the problem with your statement, you said you don't know what Titans of CNC is about. Most of your assumptions can be debunked if you took the time to do your research. Titans of CNC is focused on producing free manufacturing education globally. Coolant isn't typically used for filming purposes, which has been stated multiple times in past videos. Not only does the team produce CAD/CAM and machining tutorials that emulate real parts being made in industry, but they also show what their tooling and machinery are capable of. Many operators don't get exposed such practices early in their careers. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. However, it would be nice for you to share your experiences with manufacturing overseas. Every country has differences in their approach to education, safety procedures, and manufacturing processes. If you're willing to keep an open mind, I promise you'll walk away learning something new.
