4/12 C64 repair using a great $57 portable oscilloscope (ZEEWEII DSO1511G review)

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#c64 #commodore #repair
On today's video, we have another C64 repair. This time I'm going to be using a very inexpensive portable oscilloscope which I bought from AliExpress for a total of $57 shipped. Will this cheap scope be good enough to help me fix this computer?
0:00 Intro
1:21 The ZEEWEII DSO1511G
17:26 C64 Repair
40:09 Summary / Outro
43:28 Bonus footage
Episode 1: • 2/12 C64 black screen ...
Episode 2: • 1/12 C64 repair: "Out ...
Episode 3: • 3/12 C64 repair using ...
Episode 4: This episode!
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ZEEWEII DSO1511G Oscilloscope
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@Epictronics1 Год назад

Thanks for the mention Adrian : ) It was good fun meeting you and repairing the number 6 Commodore. It sure had an interesting fault! Never seen any Commodore like it. Looking forward to fixing the number 4 board : )

@oldguy9051 Год назад

You certainly produced a nice repair video out of that one!

@Epictronics1 Год назад

@@oldguy9051 Thanks. It was good fun : )

@adriansdigitalbasement Год назад

I put a link to your repair in the description. And here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HrEyytUZ1O8.html (When I uploaded this a few weeks ago, you hadn't yet published yours.)

@Epictronics1 Год назад

@@adriansdigitalbasement Thanks Adrian, Looking forward to repairing the other board, I hope it has some weird and interesting fault too : )

@Ramdileo_sys Год назад

@@adriansdigitalbasement cheeper than the dso-151??............ dso-138 with the JYE firmware update ;-) ..........

@meko1896 Год назад

Now that brings back memories. I had 2 repair centers in the early 80's and I specialized in the Commodore 64 and Amiga Computers. Worked on literally thousands of 64s. Bought ram chips in quantities of a thousand at a time and had custom PLA's programmed in batches of 500 at a time. Also built several hundred power supplies that I sold thru my store. Many memories! Glad to see they are still around. Thanks for the stroll down memory lane.

@00Skyfox Год назад

For being a C64 repair video, I love that the little oscilloscope has a RUN/STOP button.

@KuntalGhosh Год назад

A very important thing u have to be careful with this scope is that the ground of the probe and composite is certainly shared. So if u have the composite plugged in somewhere then u have to be super careful with where u stick the ground. Any mistake can kill the scope or tv.

@adriansdigitalbasement Год назад

Almost certainly the USB ground is also shared, so that's another danger if testing AC things.

@nickk6109 Год назад

Same with a normal scope through - best use a HV differential probe.

@KuntalGhosh Год назад

@@nickk6109 battery scopes have the advantage of being floating so u don't need a differential probe.

@orion310591RS Год назад

Could you elaborate this for beginner level? What means ground of probe and ground of composite? What is composite? What means composite plugged in somewhere? What scenario is considered "mistake"? Thanks for answers in advance.

@genki0 Год назад

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@tony359 Год назад

The "please" after "Remove the probes first" message in the calibration menu! Impressive! Jokes aside, indeed a very impressive little scope for the money you paid. Great video as usual, always learning something new! Thank you!

@McTroyd Год назад

Hey, high-end scopes don't say "please." I'd count that as a feature. 🤣

@tony359 Год назад

@@McTroyd Indeed! "Polite user interface" :D

@martinortega9279 Год назад

Really liked this video. I liked that everything was real time from out of the box to troubleshooting, repair and retesting not only the C64 but putting the O-scope through the full test. I have been looking for scope and had no idea that there are portable scopes at this price. Thank you for making this video and will look forward to more in the future

@Scubagon Год назад

The C64 repair videos are great, and the 8-bit dance party just makes it that much better!

@lwillms38 Год назад

I was blown away by the protection value. Love the multiple camera views and clear troubleshooting process. I've repaired several and sometimes it does devolve to chip swapping. Great work saving another one!

@brussell2932 Год назад

WOW! It is not enough to say that I am merely impressed. That is spectacular! Well done. Well done indeed! And now, about the scope and the review. Again, well done! I really like how you explored it and reviewed it using real world troubleshooting techniques. Frankly, most of them are at least a bit (no pun intended) over my head, but you explained the scope so well that I learned a lot from watching your review. Thank you Adrian!

@nobuckle40 Год назад

Great scope review. I was just speaking to a friend, the other day, about scopes and how expensive they can be. Also glad to see that you got the C64 repaired so quickly. Thanks Adrian.

@robertleemeyer Год назад

This is all your fault. I had to immediately order that scope because it's just what I've been waiting for to fix MY old C64. Your channel is awesome!!!

@ninefingerdeathgrip Год назад

That actually looks like a really handy oscilloscope for automotive fault finding. Cheap enough to buy one to throw into a toolbox. My old analog scope is pretty cumbersome in automotive applications.

@MrStillions Год назад

Thats actually a really great point.

@Graham_Wideman Год назад

Some scope is better than no scope, but... much of the merit of a scope in automotive diagnostics is to see the relative timing of two or more signals. For example, cam-crank correlation, or crank vs spark and so on. So two channels are, in my view, the minimum requirement, and there are some two-channel inexpensive hand-held scopes. But a single channel is still good for looking at an individual PWM signal, or an ABS wheel encoder etc.

@cheater00 Год назад

Yes, or elevator or lighting repair

@OzRetrocomp Год назад

I have what appears to be the same scope (only under a different name and without the AV out... d'oh!), and can confirm that it's useful for automotive applications. It'll never be a substitute for a proper bench scope, but for casual use or applications where a bench scope is impractical, this is infinitely better than not having a scope at all.

@TrapperAaron Год назад

@@Graham_Wideman u make an excellent point here. It's not that useful without at least 2 channels for comparing data. I suppose w USB C u might be able to capture data and compare it outside the scope, but definitely a pain in ass. Would definitely pay an extra $20 for an extra channel.

@GenerationAI2024 Год назад

This is a great way you have captured the footage. I like that i can see you, the oscilloscope and what your probing :) Thanks for sharing

@markwiehenstroer2831 Год назад

I'm impressed with this miniscope. But even more, I'm impressed with the presentation and chapter layout of this video. I'm now a subscriber and look forward to viewing more of your videos.

@George-jy7op Год назад

Thanks for the pocket O-Scope review which, is how I got to your channel. I really appreciate an educated quick review from someone in the know.

@fred.chapman Год назад

👍🤩👍 Adrian, I had no idea oscilloscope reviews and computer repairs could be so riveting, but yours are! Time just flies by. This is the fourth scope review of yours I've watched, and it prompted me to buy the dual-channel ZEEWEII DSO2512G on Ali Express for only US$78.48 after discounts, tax, and free shipping. It's amazing what you get for the money! Thanks so much for all you do. 🙏💖

@GeorgeWMays Год назад

Good one Mr. 8. I personally like having small test devices on my desk while the big stuff stays on the bench. I'm always grabbing for the transistor checker, LED tester, battery checker, small DMM, a small scope, function generator, and the TinySA all get used. I keep all of that stuff in a plastic shoe box size bin in arm's reach of the desk. The dog appreciates these as well because I don't have to keep getting up from the desk to get something. It really is amazing how such handy little guys have become so compact and inexpensive. Thanks for the video. It's appreciated.

@michaelmadore4855 Год назад

Used to repair Commodore in the late 80's this video brings back memories. Thanks for doing these videos!

@eirewind Год назад

Great job teach. Your really smooth, your video presentation is stellar and your showing your experience and efficiency. Hard to Beat, Thank You Tom

@Stefan_Payne Год назад

Yeah, more bread bin repair videos! Nice! I miss repair videos in general, can't get enough of them.

@johnpenner5182 Год назад

love to see how you apply analytic method to isolate the PLA by clipping the lead to isolate the problem. nicely done! ✨

@JakeBirkett Год назад

This was a really awesome piece of detective work on the PLA. Loved the pin clip trick.

@sp277 Год назад

First time in the channel. Great video! Thank you.

@mikefr24 Год назад

I love your repair videos Adrian. I have learned so much about electronics troubleshooting from them. I also bought one of these tiny oscilloscopes off Amazon like you have and they work great! I have fixed a NTSC C64 and an Atari 800XL with it. For the money they are a deal for what they can do for 8 bit repairs. Another option to fix the LED in the EASY FLASH CART is to drill a larger hole in the case so it can move around? Thanks again for sharing your knowledge with everyone.

@Alkimi Год назад

that was awesome. i learned a ton and really enjoyed watching you do all that.

@Mr.Thermistor7228 Год назад

such a cool video and excellent demonstration on the use case for an oscilloscope and the type of problems it can help you solve. im a diesel mechanic and all out gearhead and i am somewhat recently finding the urge to expand my skillset to a deeper level, for lack of a better term lol. i want to learn about the more intricate and detailed and exact way of how and why certain components do what they do. i cant seem to find the right words to get my point across but this video is exactly what i ant to learn. things like electrical currents, frequencies, the components on pcb boards i want to learn how it all works at that level, i find it so interesting. thank you for also giving a really good demonstration on how you can utilize an oscilloscope and actually interpret what it is displaying. i was having trouble wrapping my head around the general concept of an oscilloscope and what exactly it does and ive been trying for a pretty good amount of time about 2 months at least. your video finally made it click in my head and i feel i have a really good understanding on what exactly they do and what type of problem they can used to solve for. thanks man i am definitely subscribed

@kd4dcy Месяц назад

Never commented here before as I normally watch on Roku. After watching this video I immediately ordered one of these. A year later the price is a tad lower. Thanks for putting me onto a great little super-compact scope that will travel even more compactly than my Fluke 123!

@OzRetrocomp Год назад

I've been using an earlier version of this scope for a couple of years now (the AV output feature wasn't available when I bought mine). It's perfectly fine for diagnosing and fixing vintage stuff as long as you're measuring below 30MHz, and is ideal for a casual user or newbie that can't justify the big bucks on a bench scope right now. That being said, it's not a bench scope substitute, but it's more than adequate if you have realistic expectations of what it can do. Thanks for the great practical reviews of affordable gear, Adrian. Long may they continue.

@monad_tcp Год назад

as a newb I loved it. bought one

@markesys Год назад

I also have the earlier version, and find it to be a perfectly serviceable oscilloscope. I keep in in my tool bag for field work. Adrian didn't exercise the scope thoroughly enough to check the frequency response. Mine is only rated for 100 MHz, not 120, but when I used my HP 8654A signal generator, it had no problem getting to 100 MHz. In fact, the issue I found was a small increase in sensitivity (a bulge in the frequency response curve of about 15%) above 90 MHz, which it seems likely to me is a result of the "100 MHz" probe rather than the instrument itself. Still, this scope was easily good enough to make my list of "cheap test equipment that's actually pretty good".

@johnelectric933 Год назад

Followed the link to the product. They fixed the price. There is also dual channel version for $81 plus discounts on both. Looks great, thanks for the find.

@8bitmark530 Год назад

Interesting video I’d assumed these would be no use when looking for my first (cheap) scope. Having seen your video I’ve now ordered one to try and fix my C64 that’s been driving me crazy :-). Thanks for a great video

@jdmcs Год назад

The pink LED matches the EasyFlash boot screen. Nice! Also, another great C64 repair!

@hernancoronel Год назад

Thanks for the video Adrian! I was just yesterday thinking about getting a small oscilloscope for troubleshooting mains voltage appliances due to the danger of using mains connected scopes with such appliances. Keep up the great work!

@adriansdigitalbasement Год назад

Yeah battery powered is much safer on mains -- although I would be wary still. You could get a 100x probe (For cheap) which I would feel a bit better using with this on mains, especially if you're in 240v land.

@TheEmbeddedHobbyist Год назад

For mains troubleshooting the best thing to have is an isolation transformer.

@marshr32 Год назад

Great video, I'm definitely going to have a look at those little scopes! Not sure if someone else suggested it already (and I guess you probably thought of it) but you could drill out the LED hole on your cartridge to stop the stress on the LED legs when plugging and unplugging.

@stevelester6276 Год назад

C64 repair really takes me back! Late 80's, tiny repair shop, do 4 or 5 every day. My goto diagnostic was a game cartridge, just by close observation I could determine the faulty chip about 80% correct

@frankmc4294 Год назад

I came to look at that scope and was interested in your commodore repair too. Took me back 40 years to when I was repairing Sorcerer Exidy Z80 computers in the UK. Thanks for the trip down memory lane !!

@phoenixgaming746 Год назад

very interesting and very informative video regarding this portable oscilloscope and has a really cool feature Adrian I really enjoyed hearing your individual thoughts/views on the c64 being tested using this portable oscilloscope Thanks for sharing the above informative and technology video with us all on here, its greatly appreciated by me so thank you Best regards Tony

@GREGGRCO Год назад

That's a neat scope !! Good trouble shooting ! Thanks so much !

@horusfalcon Год назад

"It freakin' works!" 😆 That does look like a cool little o-scope. Thanks for putting it through its paces.

@kurt1391 Год назад

I bought the scope based on the review. It's really nice for the price. The manual is actually well written and brief enough that you can find what you want quickly without also being too brief. I find the screen is easy to read (with reading glasses if you're older like me), and navigating the menus is simple. The up arrow to go sideways is weird, but I got used to it.

@rickdorsey72 Год назад

Thanks for trying this out. I've wanted a cheap oscilloscope for quite a while and just ordered one today. Looks like they fixed the price, I paid just a bit more than $50.

@josephjorgensen3282 Год назад

I really love watching the c64 repair videos. I learn allot

@MattPlachecki Год назад

Thanks for the oscilloscope review! I picked one up for $65 including tax. I’m hoping I can finally diagnose my Apple II Plus 😊

@adriansdigitalbasement Год назад

Good luck!

@apeterson23 Год назад

So good! Love the way you troubleshoot

@ronniejr1969 Год назад

Great video, screen shots and instruction.

@fluffycritter Год назад

I feel like this is the first time that one of those included pop-stands is genuinely useful. As far as these cheap little eBay oscilloscopes go this one seems pretty good! Also I'm surprised to see that it's not on the same F/OSS stack that so many of these are.

@markw4164 Год назад

Like the scope reviews. Keep them coming!

@parrottm76262 Год назад

That scope is so surprising. I recall the first scope I ever saw very long ago. No one was allowed to touch it except the guy trained on it. It was super expensive (think it was a Tektronix). Amazing how far that tech has come.

@Wtfinc Год назад

where was that? I would have touched it and probably tried to open it. A scope is the kind of thing where if in a room full of techs, all the techs will be trained to use such a tool, not just one guy, nor would just one guy be allowed to use it in a room full of over smart toddlers. Just saying, doesn't sound like a great environment wherever that scope was you speak of. I could understand if it were a scope today, so light and expensive can be swiped off a table onto the floor by accident. not the iron cabinet full of glass they used to be. imagine being the guy who knocked over one of those big scoped on a cart with racks on racks of tubes, shattering when they slam the ground

@parrottm76262 Год назад

@@Wtfinc This was when I worked at Boeing. It was in the QA/QC department.

@3dsmaxrocks699 Год назад

I snuck in later that night and touched it, singing la la la la!

@daveparker4415 Год назад

Tektronix is THE scope company. I was a calibration technician, and most of the scopes I calibrated and repaired in the military were Tek scopes. They're great.

@jgunther3398 Год назад

i can say exactly the same about the first 386 motherboard I ever saw :)

@lozD83 Год назад

Seems reasonable for the money. Just ordered one off the back of this video. Figure it'll suit my needs. Thanks for the demo 👍

@orion310591RS Год назад

36:22 - just put led closest possible to board, and use drill to widen hole in plastic for LED. Also a little bit of hotglue would help board stay in place. EDIT: After this video, I decided to buy this oscilloscope, and its the first one I have in my life. Its way easier to see how PCB works now, way way way easier and better to understand, just poke around probe and you see all in real time. Thank you for making this video.

@JohnLRice Год назад

I was thinking the same. 😎👍

@jkeelsnc Год назад

Nice little oscilloscope. It’s amazing what it can do for the price. When I was in technical school years ago I remember using tektronix 20mhz analog scopes. Of course, those were dual channel and built like a tank. This one is great for a tool box and It even came with the yellow rubber baby buggy bumper. Video output is a great thing . If I had a problem with my C64 this could be useful.

@ruediix Год назад

I'm half tempted to see if I can get one of those back rings for my phone. Those are nice.

@GREGGRCO Год назад

This is a surprisingly good tool for $56 ! I'd make a 600 ohm shunt across it. Use it for level checking troubleshooting. See if it can read in dBm ?

@charlesreid9337 Год назад

ive owned a few (used) scopes as a hobbyist.. all but one i think a tek. My favorite honestly was a dirt cheap old 20mhz 4 channel brand id never heard of

@buddhistsympathizer1136 День назад

Thank you for the review - You answered a question I had which was 'Ignoring the silly specs, will it go up to 10Mhz' - It does. Another feature with one of these which is often missed . . . the thing takes a tiny amount of desk space. Ideal when a full size scope is taking up far too much room on a small repair desk.

@michaelohiggins9178 10 месяцев назад

I really enjoy your videos. In 1980 I bought a North Star Horizon (Kit) Z80A 4MHz S100 bus with 64k ram, 2 Micropolis 77 track 5 1/4 floppies, CPM 1.3, a VT100 terminal, and a Centronics model 101 printer. I thought I was a computing god! Friends came from as far as Seattle and Medford just to bask in its hum! I've been hooked ever since. TRS-80's, Atari's, you name it I loved em! I wish I had found you earlier as I lived in Portland for years. Much of that time I worked at FreeGeek doing tech support and repair. You would have been a great resource. Now I live in the Czech Republic. Just getting to know my way around. Lot of people using retro machines. If you need any Euro specific Items let me know. Cheers, Michael

@barry7608 Год назад

Thanks, gave you a thumbs up and subscribed. Sadly you are a couple of levels above me but your detail gave me enough to follow. So much to learn and great review.

@mUbase Год назад

Again Adrian, you're so lucky to be in the States. A bargain price for that oscilloscope ! It would definitely come in handy for work (portable) and for use on my synth gear t home. :) As always ;) Great video. Thanks !

@byteforever7829 Год назад

Great video again, love the handheld scope

@jamesdarlack4898 Год назад

Wow. Wish I had saved some of my old early made computers, TRS-80, CPM machines, etc. Truly, I have learned a lot today. Many thanks!

@warwickgibbons6277 Год назад

A minor comment about your reference to the lack of sockets used on the Commodore 64 board. My first "PC" was a Nascom that I bought in the late 70s. I can't remember if it was the model 1 or 2. I bought it second hand from the person who had built it, from a kit, using sockets on virtually every chip and it was completely unreliable. Several friends also bought them and every one built with sockets was unreliable and every one soldered directly worked perfectly. It led us to formulate the "Law of PC Boards": "Using sockets to mount digital chips makes it 10 times easier to repair faults BUT makes the occurrence of faults 10 times more likely". I completely stripped every socket off the board and rebuilt it using direct soldering and it worked perfectly for many years. Thoroughly enjoyed the video. Brought back memories of when "building" a computer meant a double sided PC board and a plastic bag full of components not buying a few pre-built boards and connecting them together.

@markuspooch8224 Год назад

So, pink is the new red… Thanks for this great video and the sid music at the end… As kid of the c64 time i‘m addicted to this kind of music

@rawberg_se Год назад

Great video Adrian! i'm a C64 youtube repair-video-holic so it was a nice surprise that you had a C64 repair in this video too.

@johncornwell1026 Год назад

Maybe it's just me, but: I have very little electronics background, and don't know how to use an oscilliscope, but I still watched this whole video. The explanations and pacing are so engaging, and I was able to follow a lot more of it than I thought I would. Thank you, Adrian!

@paulg3336 Год назад

Think of an oscilloscope as a graphic volt meter with Voltage change over time function

@charlesreid9337 Год назад

Ok so heres what an oscilloscope can do.. Measure >>anything

@jj74qformerlyjailbreak3 Год назад

Hey thanks for helping me get over my fear to probe. That’s a great product right there.

@JLMtime Год назад

This was great im still learning and was able to follow you completely thank you for going little more in detail compared to other videos ive seen.. uff i threw away so many c64s I bet they could have been repaired

@craigrotay3732 Год назад

Adrian, you are totally freaking awesome dude.

@dash8brj Год назад

Whatching you bop along to Cybernoid II was awesome - one of my favourite SID tunes :)

@Torbjorn.Lindgren Год назад

They also have a 2-channel model with signal generator (2512G) which also has a marginally larger screen (2.8" vs 2.4") for not that much more. Drawbacks with that model compared to this is that the signal generator output and USB gets moved to the bottom to make space for two oscilloscope inputs at the top - so it won't stand up with any of these connected. I've been looking for someone I trust that has tested one or the other, I have to say it handles it a lot better than I was expecting... Not sure whether go for the $62 single channel or the $86 dual channel yet, most of the time a single channel works as you've demonstrated.

@adriansdigitalbasement Год назад

Yeah -- 2 channels can be useful but it's far less useful. I find myself using two channels maybe 5% of the time during repairs. The price creep is real -- it's easy to keep spending a little more to get a much better device .... that's the danger. The $160 Hantek portable scope (And the Owan version, which is probably a bit better) is far superior to this, but it's that thing about the creep. If it's something that will almost always just end up in a drawer only being used very occasionally, just get the cheapest one possible.

@johndaniel9424 Год назад

Thank you for your help! It works perfectly!

@scottlake5280 Год назад

Thanks for this intro to this scope. I’m buying the two channel version for diagnosing my Ensoniq VFX synth, which by the way that synth company was founded by engineers that left Commodore

@jcudejko Год назад

That's really an incredible little scope. I couldn't find the exact one you are testing here, but I found a duplicate on amazon listed for about 74 bucks. Screen and controls look exactly the same, but it is listed as the FNIRSI-5012H. I will be checking out your channel more over the next few days, thanks!

@johndododoe1411 Год назад

Did you receive it? Was it anywhere near as good as the one in this video?

@kuro68000 Год назад

Something like this, or maybe one of those scope meters that has a multimeter in it as well, is really handy for debugging and diagnostics. While it might not be super accurate or have 4 channels, for just getting a quick look at a signal to see if it's there and looking reasonable is all you need a lot of the time. Being small and portable it's more handy than a full size scope. I can believe the 500Ms/sec spec. 500Ms/sec ADCs are pretty cheap. In fact it's probably a 1Gs/sec ADC running a bit slower for power saving or because the CPU is a bit weak. Even very low end budget scopes sample at 1Gs/sec now. 120MHz bandwidth is dubious though, as you said. Thanks for reviewing this scope.

@bruwin Год назад

It's literally the price of an okay logic probe. If you can consistently get it for around $60 I see no reason buying a logic probe over this. It gives enough info to be useful even if you can't trust the accuracy.

@johndododoe1411 Год назад

I wonder where you find 1 Gsps ADC chips cheaply. Last I looked, I only found slower ADC chips in the catalogs.

@kuro68000 Год назад

@@johndododoe1411 China

@Z-imon Год назад

I'm getting one of these Phone Ring Holders lol. Great video. Thank you

@TalmadgesArcade Год назад

time stamp 36:20 - Put a little hot glue on the corners of the board before closing the easy flash case. Then it won't wiggle and stress the led legs. Wow, found this video by accident. So cool and random,. you made my day. I hope to be you when I grow up :) Thanks

@sophiad4297 Год назад

This is amazing video with a lot of great helpful works very you.

@whitehedr Год назад

Based on your experience using the ZeeWeeII scope I bought the two Channel model. They stiffed me on the ring stand. The two channel scope seems to work just fine. Thanks for showing us the device. ROG.

@danlscan Год назад

Thanks! Great presentation.👍

@JohnLRice Год назад

Great job! 👏

@DrTeddyMMM Год назад

I managed to source a few coupons and grabbed a scope for $45!..Sweet!

@michaelcarey Год назад

It's amazing the bang for buck you get with test equipment coming out of China. It's certainly not a high end scope, but it does the job very well. I purchased a NanoVNA-f to test antennas (I'm an amateur radio operator) and it's an insanely useful bit of test equipment for the $$!

@bruwin Год назад

This'll be amazing for those ham meetups to quickly test broken equipment. 'Cause there's always someone bringing something to tinker with, and I have seen bench oscilloscopes out for testing.

@andyleatherbarrow7322 Год назад

Me too, and I've just pulled the trigger for the scope. Damn him. 73.

@adambourne5523 Год назад

Your getting good at this Ade!

@stevekoehn1675 Год назад

Thanks Adrian. All the enjoyment of debug without the "work"

@thomasbland6428 Год назад

Looked for this on Geek/Wish and found the DSO2512G dual channel version instead for about $108. The specs and features looked about the same though when it came to the 120 Mhz bandwidth, it mentions this drops to 60 Mhz when in dual channel mode. As for the 2511, it might have been interesting to see exactly what was displayed when the music spectrum FFT was selected and the SID was playing the test songs.

@aaronbuildsa Год назад

I was about to say that I'd really like to see a 2-channel affordable hand-held scope tested on your channel.. then I scrolled down and YT reminded me I'd already watched your Hantek 2C42 review. D'oh!

@Brettski777 Год назад

You don’t need a scope to mend C64s , you just use the force ! Great work as ever Mr Black. ❤

@Brettski777 Год назад

A prize for me. O wow , I cant wait to send you my personal details over to you !!

@mcgam2000 Год назад

Vary interesting... as an older geek (my first computer was a VIC-20 in 1983 I found your channel very interesting... and I ordered the little scope on your recommendation... I don't know much about that but perhaps I will find some use and learn something new (for a 76 year old).... thanks again...

@TRONMAGNUM2099 Год назад

For the money it can't be beat. I have a similar pocket scope and it can do roughly 30mhz which isn't too bad. This is nicer with the additional features. The video out is really nice. The Hantek can do video out through the USB to a computer but it is horrible. Super laggy. Your review was very fair for this scope. For a retro hobbyist on a budget there isn't much that can compete. So thanks for the excellent review. I'm ordering one as a stocking stuffer for my nephew. He is going to love it.

@adriansdigitalbasement Год назад

Yeah I tried the Rigol computer software and it's honestly not usable. It would only be useful for taking screenshots, IMHO. I was honestly very pleasantly surprised about this scope -- I was using it last night and it's just quite the useful thing since it's so tiny and quick to use.

@RetrogamerGenX Год назад

Nice.. I might have to get one. I really need to replace my old dinosaur Tektronix scope. I really need something smaller, instead of something the size of a SX-64 LOL.. Great video, keep them coming. I enjoy your content, from one techie to another.👍👍👍

@felixcosty Год назад

Thanks for the video. For the Easy Flash and your LED problem is drill the hole bigger so the LED has room to move around with out stress.

@rpk5568 Год назад

On cutting IC legs to isolate pin. I was a tech at Digital Equipment in 1969 and we used that to open the circuit. It came down to us that it was causing damage internally to the chip. Not sure how true that was, but I found another way, which was to suck the solder out of the plated thru whole and center the IC pin in the hole to isolate it. On the processor boards in an 11/45 any single data, address, or clock line went to several places and no single chip could ever be depended to fail. Interesting little scope, but I still prefer an analog scope.

@IanSlothieRolfe Год назад

The 120MHz bandwidth probably refers to the analogue bandwidth of the input stage. If you want to see a 10MHz square wave, you need to have an analogue bandwidth high enough to see enough of the harmonics to form the wave shape - typically at least 5 times the fundamental. So if you feed in a 100MHz square wave it will display a 100MHz sine wave, because the input stage will not be able to handle the harmonics (This is something that catches people out with even expensive oscilloscopes). Also, with 500MSpS each cycle will only be 5 samples, so you wont really see much of the sine waveform. Also, analogue bandwidth is usually measured to the 3dB point, i.e. the point where the signal displayed is half the ampitude of the actual signal, so you need to take that into account too. That said, you should be able to see reasonable square waves upto approx 25MHz which is good enough for most purposes in retro computing, unless you're fault finding something like an Amiga video stage. And of course you will see *something* up to much higher frequencies, although it might be increasingly tricky to spot timing or rise time problems.

@danman32 Год назад

Might be able to determine the bandwidth by measuring the displayed rise time of a square wave.

@michaelmoorrees3585 Год назад

The frequency claim on that scope seems to be honest. For the uninitiated, a bandwidth of 100MHz, means that 100MHz sinewave will be attenuated -3dB (70% voltage). A squarewave is mathematically made of many sinewaves, and to look decent needs sinewave components, at least 20x, the squarewave frequency. So for a 100MHz scope, 5MHz is the highest squarewave freq, to display it properly. Those 8MHz and 14MHz signal images, are not representative of their true signals, though still pretty good. I use to fix computers, in 80s, with a 35MHz analog scope, and those 8MHz & 14MHz signals would have looked closer to a sinewave, on that old scope.

@dimitrioskalfakis Год назад

useful and in-depth review.

@stevemcknelly5036 Год назад

That'd be a great starting oscilloscope to have for retro repair streamers/CCs. Thanks for the review!

@RetroJack Год назад

Damn you, Adrian! My DSO 150 just arrived and now you're showing me something better?!? Just kidding - keep up the good work! 😋

@durandalgmx7633 Год назад

6:26 "It stands up pretty well!" **pushes it over with his finger trying to push the buttons**

@pascal8300 Год назад

I like your "cheap oscilloscope" tests! 🙂

@bruwin Год назад

I am super surprised by that scope. It fails the Louis Rossman test for equipment ease of use, but I feel like it's easy enough to use for the price paid. And having video out is super good, even if it is composite. I have an old 4:3 lcd TV that I use for my nes on my desk that would be a perfect large display for this. I'm really all for this era of cheap, usable test equipment that isn't just used.

@OzRetrocomp Год назад

100% agree, especially with that last sentence. Good luck trying to find a used scope for this kind of money in the current market.

@georgen9838 Год назад

Dumb question: what's the Louis Rossman ease of use test? Don't think I've seen that particular video of his.

@geographicaloddity2 Год назад

Great video. Thanks.

@bb-ov3pi Год назад

I use to repair C64, VIC20, and C128 back 30 years ago. I also programmed them for people. I also had a C64 briefcase machine that I used at work.

@jussikuusela7345 Год назад

I have understood that the SID was produced in a process that is better suited for analog circuitry than digital, and this presented some difficulties in making its digital workings accurate as in meeting uniform trigger voltage levels both inside and between individual chips consistently. Especially the first four revisions that operated on 12V and yet took TTL level input. I may be wrong and will be happy to be corrected.