It's pretty hard, but I don't think it's as bad as 2 waves of 2 concentrated beasts. I think they are hard for different reasons, it just feels this one is more about being able to do it on time rather than just being able to survive and deal enough damage.
Ikr it took me like 12 retries with nilou bloom, I ended up switching teams to a ayato xq fischl beidou team (the team that sevy used) to clear it. So painful.
thing with Hydro is: it has THE smallest 4* roster of any element, we haven't gotten a single hydro 4* since Candice and before her, we only had Barbara and Xingqiu who are 1.0 units so this situation was inevitable
Mihoyo: we don’t want more endgame content because it increases player stress. Also Mihoyo: we make these inhumane stress-inducing abyss 12s where you are just screwed if you don’t have certain characters, if you don’t have certain gear, if the monsters does weird shit, etc…
-"inhumane" -still possible to get *36 STARS* with only 4 stars on 1 STANDARD BANNER 5* SUPPORT like bruh, it's still easy AF as long as you've been playing for at least 6 months
@@guillex6443 With 6 months, not really. You're just not going to have the cons, artifact quality, or roster depth to make it easy. Just look at how close it was for IWin, and then realize his Kuki is C6. This matters, because Kuki get a bunch of extra elemental reaction triggering from her cons. That said, I don't think it is a bad thing that a 6 month old account can't easily 36 star floor 12 of the Abyss.
But I do enjoy this new a bit difficult experience in abyss.. I think it's time for hoyo to raises the difficulty to compete with other games and bring fresh experience. Also easy abyss is so boring like sometimes I hadn't even bother to play it.
12-1 is the hardest. Not in terms of enemy difficulty but it's multi wave. 4 waves on the first and 3 on the second, and they made sure you'll use a fast Hydro applicator with Pyro Lectors 😂
After hours of trying I finished 12-1 with one second left on the seven minute mark. My characters are super well invested; this was just actually insane.
I'm really Curious... What Team Comps did you use for both Parts on 12-1? I'm asking since on my first Run-through _(of 4.7's Phase 2 Abyss)_ for the Rewards, as usual there was absolutely zero Challenge until Floor 12 _(I understand how so many Players are having trouble with Floor 11, especially protecting the Monolith, but it went well for me),_ and then, after trying a few Team Comps, I ended my 1st Run with 7/9 Stars for Floor 12: • 12-1: 2★ • 12-2: 2★ • 12-3: 3★ Today, I came back to get the 2 missing Stars from Chamber 1 & 2, and while I got my 3 Stars for 12-2 on the 1st try, I seem to be hitting a Wall in 12-1 !!! Tried a few variations on the same Teams, but no matter what I do, I end up 20-30 seconds too late! Teams are: - Part 1: • C1R1 Alhaitham • C2R1 Raiden Shogun • C2 Zhongli w/ Homa • C2R3 Nahida _Zhongli's on Noblesse HP/Geo/HP._ - Part 2: • C1R1 Neuvillette • C2R1 Furina • C1 Kazuha w/R2 Xiphos¹ • C6 Charlotte w/R5 Favonius Codex *¹-* _I do have Freedom Sworn, but in this Case, since I recently got Furina's Sig Sword and haven't had time yet to Farm more Golden Troupe Pieces with better ER Substats to compensate for Switching from an ER Sword (the Pipe), taking what I already have, Lvled it Up and thankfully got a few good Pieces with a bit of ER Substats, _*_I use R2 Xiphos' Moonlight on Kazuha for the Passive that gives ER% to everyone._* I have tried a few Variations on this Team, on top of what I used on my 1st Run, which was an Ayato Team _(to take advantage of the Abyss' Blessing that favors Normal Attack DPS)._ Tried substituting Kazuha _(since he's not useful against Pyro Lectors as his Burst always Absorbs Pyro when they're around)_ with: *• Fischl:* for her fast Off-Field Electro Application, *• Xinqiu:* for obvious reasons, but he didn't help much even if I was using some NA here and there, as it doesn't work with Neuvillette's CA Laser Beam, *• Nilou:* for her Skill's Hydro Aura, as I had found that it ripped through Pyro Shields from prior Experience, but it simply isn't really good enough for the Pyro Lectors' Tanky Shields, ------------------------------------------- Except for when using Nilou, the Clear Time stayed pretty consistent! Nilou made it worse. Now thinking about using Kokomi instead of Charlotte, and not sure about the last Slot. Kazuha sure helps clearing the other Waves faster, and Charlotte helped too for gathering Fanfare Stacks as she's an Off-Field Team Healer while Kokomi, even though her Jellyfish will boost Hydro Application against the Lectors, needs Field Time to Heal the Team. Had other ideas but message's already long enough as it is! *_ANY HELP, SUGGESTIONS, TIPS YOU COULD PROVIDE WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED!_* *_THANKS!_*
@@christiangauthier727 Not sure how much help I’ll be but 12-1 was Nilou, Furina, Nahida, and Baizhu. It was all about spacing bursts and skills. Baizhu is the driver. Nilou skill, Nahida skill, Furina skill, Baizhu ult. Then run to the Ruin guard. Furina ult, Nahida skill/ult, baizhu skill, Nilou skill. Run to the right for the two mechs Nahida skill, Nilou ult, Furina skill, Baizhu ult. Run all the way to the emerites as Nilou to immediately do her skill. Nahida skill/ult, Furina ult, Baizhu skill. Side two- Clorinde, Fischl, Kazuha, Kokomi. Fischl and Koko skill, tap kazuha skill, Clorinde ult and attack. Then fly with Fischl’s burst to the lectors. Quickly swap to Kazuha and burst so he swirls electro before the lectors ignite. Skill to pull them in. Koko Skill, then Clorinde Burst and attack. If you are strong enough to make the lectors go to phase 2, Koko ult to refresh skill. Fischl skill, tap skill Kazuha, back to Clorinde. If the shields aren’t done when her skill is over then attack with Koko. Fly to separate knights with Fischl Ult, Koko skill, Kazuha skill/burst, Clorinde burst and attack. If they live, Fischl skill, Kazuha skill, and by then you can probably go right back to Clorinde for another burst into skill and they die. Like I said, I had one second left. It took a lot of muscle memory. Granted, I only had two five star weapons and it’s two copies of Furina’s sword. One on her, and another on Nilou. Everyone else had 4 stars and Furina is C1. Fischl is C6 and everyone else is C0.
@@jonathanrobinson198 Thanks a lot for that! I'll try this after I get some sleep! I have ~35 different 5★ Weapons, have all Characters except for Venti and Xiao, and most of my 5 Star Characters have a few Constellations (I have plenty at C0, it really depends on if the Char is really 100% Complete at C0 and if C1 and C2 are really worth it), with only a handful of 4 Star Chars not being C6. So unless you've got Godly Artifacts compared to me, or are immensely more Skilled, then I'm pretty sure that I will be able to manage! Thanks so much for the Rotations & explaining a few key aspects of the Playstyle (like Absorbing Electro with Kazuha's Burst), this is really the Blueprint for Victory. I understand that you eventually got 3 Stars with barely 1 second to spare, but I think that it's normal with this insane Room with so many Waves of Monsters, many of which are really tough and/or take a long time to beat! I'll certainly practice the Rotations and I'll get there! I believe that your Team Comps are going to work! I can't thank you enough! I'll try to remember to come back to Post an Update once I'll have succeeded (unless I run out of time, since there's only a few days left)!
One, it's endgame mode Unless you started some months ago, you'll have quite a few C6 4* and w/e 5* you picked up. You can take the video as a baseline and then update the teams based on what you've got. So calling this F2P is pretty true seeing how you won't actually use just 4*
damage wise thats just not possibel i guess. youll have to compensate with an actual 5* damage dealer to make up for the damage. were talking abyss 12 here
They trying so hard for players to pull for 5 stars to easily clear abyss. Next time they'll put 9 waves in 1 floor and somehow, players can still clear it using 4 stars.
If only getting "perfect" artifacts is much possible these days, i would just give hoyo a middle finger and clear abyss without feeling disappointed of the difficulty spike regardless. Rn i have no choice but to feel stressed even if my 36s clear time isn't even that slower nor faster compared to the easier abyss rotations.
People are misremembering, they said other types content like the Abyss a.k.a. timed content with your own teams. Nothing about hard content in general, they also said they didn't have plans for it at the time which was shortly after the game's release, it has been nearly 4 years since then so they planned it a few years later so now we also have Imaginarium Theater.
Yeah this is where I start sitting out on abyss with like 30 stars and wait until the new region comes out. And people say Genshin doesn't have powercreep, we've been having Abyss HP creep for like 4 patches straight.
For those players who said this is easy/the easiest abyss, answer these questions first: 1. Do you have a lot of C6 4 stars? 2. Do you have Neuvilette or Arlecchino? 3. Do you have 5 star weapons/constellation? 4. Do you have Kazuha/Nahida/Zhongli/Yelan/Furina? 5. How long have you been played? Just a reminder: Not everybody have a equal condition or resources/build that you have, so stop saying others is weaklings, be considerate please.
In wuwa its basically the same. You just trying to clear a lvl 90 boss with character level 60. If you pick 4 stars level 60 to fight the weekly Arlequino 90 it will not be an easy task. Every mistake will be the last one. Newbies don't cry about chalanges, they just want more wishes to overcome difficulties with specific enemies. And when they get it, they starting crying about harder abyss ;) Lets wait some time and we will see how people deal with imaginarium.
My Nilou literally made this abyss cycle a breeze (in 2nd half). AoE + Multiwave floors = Nilou Bloom Destruction! LOVE IT SO MUCH, NILOU MAINS eating good rn ❤😂
Damn, I didn't think about bringing her team to 2nd half 🤣, though I do bring her team to finish 12-1-1 because it's just so frustrating clearing that one when I used Alhaitham quickbloom (skill issue + play on phone, don't ask more)
@@diego6991True, their E6S5 Himeko really made things brain-dead easy on the other half. The swapping of abbreviations between Genshin and HSR is pretty relatable tho if you play both games a lot, lol.
imagine IWTL strugling in the showcase speedrun with his C6 4 stars all great artifacts and weapons... XD now imagine many of us f2p or golden fish :,V
Nothing like the enemies in the final wave of chamber one just deciding to phase out of existence for a second. So fun. I love when I can't damage the enemy :)
Its easier with AOE tho she's not made for it so anyways I did it with her and it was a success did took me 3-4 tries tho I kept E'ing and Q'ing whenever I get the chance to get AOE and stop caring about her mark but using it instantly as its made to be this way
@@eraba661 yeah clearing the slimes where easy, the annoying part is both a hydro and ice slime freezing you while the other slimes focus on the obelisk. The only one reason I cleared it without freezing was when I finally switched to my kazuha from the first team.
@@imjustaguycalledsano I meant her range is alot lower than Nuvi, she's made for both single target and AOE and can do amazing in both of them but I specifically meant it for range here not that she cannot do it or her kit doesn't allow it
@@Arrmorant one thing mihoyo should learned that most casuals would stay committed to F2P experience and regular players mostly a low spenders. if they want to win the hearts of players to the point f2p will think about spending some buck on this game, hoyo should not be stingy to add better content that many players have been asking for, and it's not just endgame content. it's also UGC, QoL features. and proper bug fixes.
It's time to make restart at each stage if they want to go in that direction... I don't know if they did it that hard to show WuW that GI have hard content too but it's just make reverse effect, it's unreasonably hard.
adding 1more wave of single fking ruin guard and 2 waves of shielded enemies doesnt make it hard, its just stall impact since the attack patterns of enemies in genshin is braindead, its either the mob actually try to attack you or it circles around you for 1minute doing nothing
since its 800 primos now after every clear, hoyo is making sure most of the players wont get the full amount by adding these enemies cause for the first time in a while, i actually need to reset multiple times bruh 😭
Hi mate, for the pyro lecturers u can group them up by simply waiting at the edge of where the pyro mages first spawn. The second pyro lecturer will move forward after one second and they will be side by side ! But this has a bit of rng sometimes but I hope it helps
In order to 3-Star floor 12-1, I used 3 archons between the two halves. Side note : Xingqiu can kick the lectors together, same for Bennett’s Q. I find these methods faster than going to the rim of the battle field to wait for the lectors to come together.
This is gonna be a challenging one for me. I appreciate that it reset every month now tho bc I'm not in the right state of mind to challenge abyss rn there's quite some time for me to do it.
And I thought last week 2x Electro Lecter was hell. HYV never fails to surprise us. It’s simply a wallet check combined with dps check, unit chdck and element check. not just usual skill check. “Don’t want to frustrate players with end game content” 😂
For chamber 1 2nd half a lil tip is if you have kokomi and yelan/xinquo it's amazing if you can group them together just use hyperbloom with nahida and raiden or kuki hope this helps someone this aybss is terrible imo I'm sick of it just being shields
I wish people can make a content or video of actually being f2p and a new player for 4.5 or 5.0 and above. Too often I see these "F2P teams" that almost assumes you're a veteran player by having C6 4 stars or just 4 stars that rarely shows up and it's annoying. The game is genuinely easy, but it's getting annoying if you're new to the game and f2p that you feel too much pressure to pull meta 5 star characters because too many 4 stars don't show up enough.
I dunno what you mean by meta but almost any limited 5* as long as they fit the needed elements can clear this Abyss quite easy. For first half you go Clorinde \ Al-haitham \ Nahida or any overloaded team(btw you dont need cheuvresse if you dont have her yet and use kazuha \ sucrose) and for Second half you go any hydro oriented team. For this abyss as long as you have some limited 5* hydros and Dendros you are fine. Nilou \ Yelan \ Ayato \ Childe \ Neuvilitte \ Furina there is plenty of them. But yea for sure if you just hate every hydro chars you ll suffer pain not because this specific abyss requies them but because Hydro is the strongest Elements in this game, much more universal than others
@@feyandhisstuff9888 That's hardly what you would call a "f2p" team. The way I define a F2P team is one where you use vanilla 4* characters that the game gives for free, including events, bonus if it doesn't require limited events so new players/accounts can try it themselves. Technically, any team for this game is F2P friendly if you've been around long enough. I know it's hard to make a content for that but that's honestly the type of video that would actually be useful. If people have been either playing for at least a year now or they have several 5* already like what your example implies, "F2P" contents/videos in this format are almost useless when the 4* market is almost as competitive as 5* characters.
@@ryanspinoza6586 Noone will ever design a hardest content to be cleared with day1 vanilla 4* after almost 4 years game exists. If you play long enough you can clear with c0r0 old 5* or c6r5 old 4*. Or if you brand new player you have something Like Clorinde \ Arlechino \ Navia \ Neuvilette etc so you can clear with them c0r0 with c0 old 4* as companions. In both ways f2p can clear that abyss. if the game was desighned to be cleared with Ember Keya c0 without any new 4* or new 5* or even old 5* invested whats the point to even play and get new heroes? And then whats the point in those primos for abyss 12 if you dont even need new heroes to play with? Also this patch we have Clorinde + Al-haitham and Furina + Sigwein if you start to play right now you'll have Clorinde + Furina at least (even if you lose 50\50 for both of them) and they both will clear you this abyss 12 before the day it resetts.
@@bushy9780 if you are still having doubts, he just posted a solo video with ganyu on 1st half and neuvillette on 2nd half. You should watch the video ☺
Why no one complaining about abyss changes ? They increased rewards but also increased It's duration so technically reduced overall reward. I just noticed that today that abyss last 30days and give up to 800 primos while before it was 15days and up to 600 so basically 600*2 = 1200, I'm devastated
wake me up when we have actual difficult content that isn't just absurdly timed dps checks but content in which I can use the characters i spent months building and actually have fun
When he thinks c6 Chevreuse is f2p friendly. What a great time to be alive. "I had to use Mona oooh and my c6 Chevreuse nvm her don't pay attention" She is just the same as c0 , sir just no.
1st half: Clorinde Zhongli Nahida Keqing 2nd half: Furina Yelan Xingqiu Jean I used 2 teams. It took about 01min10s to deal with on chamber 1st half In the wave of 2 pyro lectors, we can group them together by running to the edge of the left/right side so that our character and they are in a row, then 1 of them will go close to the other.
ive always one tried/speedrun the abyss before this, but this one really humbled me lmao. that multiple waves on 2nd half caught me offguard. will revisit again tonight.
It is the first Abyss since over a year that I could not 3-star as a f2p-player. At least I 2-Stared all the chambers. I feel like this Abyss was designed with the new/broken carrys in mind. If you do not have them and/or godly artifacts it is verry difficult.
Players: Abyss is not challenging and don't reward skill Hoyo: "ill just increase HP of each enemy to million + make it more of dps check and character check. And any enemy ai can do whatever it likes including running 500 metere away from player. And about skill? lol what is that? 😅"
I thought my 36* star clearing streak would finally come to an end, but I still barely managed to 36* as a light spender, arguably the most annoying boss we've had in forever
Super, IWinToLose!! I love your clear explanations, and that you do this for mostly 4* characters and weapons! My problem is, I haven't really been able yet, to level my weapons to 90... Sometimes I seem to see only a very small level difference for a high price, so I thought it wasn't really worth it. But I begin to see that it can make a ton of difference. Focus, another issue I have :D. The fact that some weapons are promoted by lower leveling costs doesn't help of course, but I am the one to choose if I fall for that, if it is actually worth it. Thank you so much for sharing that it took you several hours (2-3 hours), because in videos like this it all seems so easy! I have never been able yet to clear Abyss 12-2, and only once or twice 12-1, without losing. But never a star... hehe. Weapons, that'll be it I suppose. And of course my characters: they are not 90 yet either, except for Kazuha. Anyway, if you see and have some remarks/recommendations, I'll be interested, but I understand if you don't have the time for it. I mainly and really mostly wanted to express my gratitude!
theres literally like 4 waves per chamber nowadays, like you really need to kill them fast, the consecrated beast are so tanky and dangerous if youre not careful against them, literally bullet sponges that takes so much time to be eliminated and I hate their stalling so much, good thing I still manage to 36* it and my streak is still going strong, I have no trouble in some enemies, well tbf the pyro lectors are tricky to be group together but I have neuv and furina so theyre just getting lasered easily and I dont need cc unit for it, but 7 waves in 12-1 you really need some high aoe dps unit
@@lachillea i mean i dont utilize dendro in the 1st place. Also i said consecrated beast over electro lektors. If you wanna shred it then u either use vv shred or break the shield by infusing the core of the corresponding element ie electro and pyro. In this case the real threat is the mech boss bc baptist is basically a joke compared to 2 electro lektors.
Yeah. It’s not F2P. I mean sure you can replace Yelan with Mona and Nahida with Traveler. But next phase will be a terror without any hydro. Overload can work obviously but those beast scream hydro and shielder. I used my premium Neuvillette team just to finish it with ease Floor 1 - Hyperbloom Yelan Xingqiu Nahida Kuki Floor 2 - Neuvillette Hypercarry Baizhu Neuvi Furina Kazuha
Consecrated beast was hoyo response to "the enemies are too easy" lmao They really proved that soo many players complain about everything in abyss XD. Enemy hits too hard = bad Enemy can stun you = bad Enemy that actually uses reactions vs you = bad Atp, it's not even funny how people don't want to use different characters for abyss....
@@batoulizzakia1816 "we want abyss to be more difficult" Well, here's a nice check on your rotations, DPS, and understanding of the games mechanics and team building. Always nice to get something worth testing characters and skill like they did with that event with the bosses with more skills and difficulty to them.
Tbh, most Abyss enjoyers will actually complain about annoying bosses instead of hard hitting ones. Personally I would take consecrated beasts over the desert worm, the dancing mfs or the Chasm snake anytime.
They are not hard either, the only reason it feels hard is because we are on a tight timer. What a good desing, giving fck ton of hp and annoys with crap movements, yeah, just make a good fight ffs, not this cheap difficulty
Idk but the teams in this guide aren’t f2p at all. C6 Chevruse is the sole reason the second team was able to clear it in time. And C6 Chevruse isn’t f2p. My raiden & chevruse are C0, so they don’t have enough dps.
I knew it was gonna happen sooner or later The power level of new unites lately, especially in fontaine, has been rising So it was, but a matter of time until hoyo made abyss match the new level
man, this abyss just a bit stronger than 3.7 abyss and over all if you have ayato \ tartag \ nilou you'll be fine even without any of new chars. Also Al-haitham still insane for the first half. This abyss just a bit tricky because of pyro shields not about hp
@feyandhisstuff9888 yeah but it's hp pull id definitely much higher than any we had before and this stayed true throughout fontaine Abyss hp pull have been increasing slowly, but yeah I have nilou and she deleted the second half while my clorinde deleted the first
The fact that I had to play like 45 minutes to clear this abyss is ridicilous. Devs should touch some grass. For reference most abysses I cleared in 1-2 tries
i genuinely love it when the abyss is hard, which it's generally at a medium-ish difficulty most of the time and i plow through them a little too quickly also, the comments here complaining it's too hard are the exact reason why genshin doesn't implement hard content much at all... everyone claims they want something challenging but when the same mechanics they use is turned against them, everyone cries about it... then you have casuals and the f2p's saying they difficulty is not fair... all i gotta say is skill issue. it means you're not ready for this content and you should go back to the drawing board and figure put how to approach it... you don't need whale status (i am far from a whale) to overcome these challenges, that's like the go-to explanation for why people can't beat harder / endgame content you're in a mode meant to... you know... check your dps and skill... what did you expect of this mode...
fair, but the spiral abyss is one of THE main ways to get primogems when you've already done a lot of exploration and quests. can't get those primogems? guess you can't get those characters that would actually help you clear that content then! i never do floor 12, but it's only natural that people would say its too hard. it's the people with actually built teams (and most of those people have at least bought a welkin, or played for many years on end grinding the perfect RNG artifacts) who can clear this kind of stuff with absolutely no problem. it mostly boils down to; they need actual end game content, not something most players above AR 55 are expected to have 36 starred already, and better rewards.
@@bbysiea i'm not the best person to ask about rewards cause idc about them, they've never been a motivating factor for me to do anything. i'll never say no to rewards but they're just not my priority. but also, isn't the point of spiral abyss to be a dps check for people who have made it that far? why would rewards be given to people who aren't ready for it and don't have built characters? it's hard for people to admit that they're not the target audience for content. people who can't clear content because of their skill and lack of built characters shouldn't be criticizing the abyss for keeping awards from them because they're not ready to challenge it, they're missing the point of rewards for hard work and dedication to their characters and team building. the abyss /is/ for people who have grinded their characters and honed their skils, I don't expect the abyss to give rewards to people who aren't ready. i don't think bringing up "we need more endgame" really means anything when the main concern from lower skilled or casual players is not getting the rewards from content designed to be harder. casuals, lower skilled and, to an extent, some f2p will always complain about rewards regardless of endgame if they perceive it to be gatekeeping them from it. saying it's lack of endgame's fault isn't addressing the problem players have when it comes to feeling like they should get rewards regardless of the content's prupose.
Totally legit to use 5* here. Truly the hardest Abyss so far. I usually do not watch videos and enjoy beating it myself, but that Chamber 1 was just pure insanity. Uff.. took me 3 hours, but I 36* it.
This abyss I challenge myself with 4star characters & weapons (F2P weapons). And I can complete this challenge by Top half : Heizou C3, XL C6, Benny C6 and Faru-senpai C6 / Bottom half : OG taser by Sucrose C1 with prototype amber for healing. Heizou’s burst can group 3 triangles first wave and 2 eremites after their summons die. Beidou, Fischl and XQ can clear pyro shield very effective. For 12-2 and 12-3 chamber, They are easy when you can past 12-1.😂
genshin players try not to complain about moderately difficult content, challenge impossible.. i hope one day they straight up put character bans in abyss
Genshin team: Lets make endgame actually hard Players: And you're increase rewards to match the difficulty increase.... Right?... Genshin Team: Anakin face*
I am glad I am not the only one who thinks that this abyss is so annoying like oh my gosh that 12-1 1st chamber like WHO FCKING THOUGHT THAT DOING WAVES OF ENEMIES IS A GOOD IDEA. Even though I 36 stars it, I am still annoyed on that chamber.
I think last abyss was more annoying. For me the fatui operatives are the most annoying creatures in teyvet. This abyss was more of a dps check and my team dps isn’t that good.
The "F2P Showcase" in the vid has the same energy as "Hiring! No work experience required* (20 years work experience needed)" or like having 15 years work experience when you're 3 so you work 5 jobs at the same time.
