I love this format of giving several options depending on context. Reminds me of some of your earlier works (like the RNC video with all the different details and adjustments, which is still valuable by today's standards). Thanks a lot for sharing! Please keep more coming like this =)
I have a training partner in mind for trialling these defences. He's heavily reliant on cross collar chokes & to be fair he's very proficient at it, he's had a high percentage of success utilising them. Understanding that 'iron sharpens iron' I guess I get the bonus of developing these counters against a proficient cross collar specialist & he gets the benefit of forewarning about what will come to be more & more common if he overplays a certain tactic. Thanks, great instructional again, Stephan.
As a newbie white belt I’ve used the thrust choke on a purple belt very aggressively and it shocked him so much that it rolled him almost onto his stomach to avoid the choke lol
Hey Stephan, white belt here and just saying thanks to you and Ritchie for this video. I hit the standing thrust choke yesterday and it worked beautifully. Though I definitely need to work my defense more, hahaha!
Great video, but for the thrust choke option would it not be better to attack the side of the arm coming underneath so that you effectively "unwrap" the choke? Coming from the topside may tighten it further
Excellent! Say, is #4 only a counter or an effective technique on its own? My school just started working on guard again and I bet no one's expecting submissions from the top.
Gosh I hate this stupid choke as much as I hate side control. I just started and I had to go against a blue belt. He was a big dude, about 6'4. I could roll him no problem, but he got me with this choke. Thanks for posting this. I'm going to work on this and breaking out of someone's guard. 😁
The "standing thrust choke" os called "amassa pão" in Brazil. It works, the Key is to be fast to escape when your traning partner changes fron choke to arm bar. Other option os Ezequiel choke!
I do plunging choke from bottom when I am in guard position I give a little pull so he reacts up exposing his neck i put my plunging arm elbow on my hip for leverage (this adds incredible power) i'm an old man and I get a ton of guys with this
Standing Thrust Choke. We call it the "amasa pon." It means "kneading dough" in portuguese. It's a total disaster and virtually unused. If you're tall you can use this from MANY positions and get taps all the time!
thanks for this video, my teacher is really good at this choke and gets me everytime with it. But how do I defend this from the guard or mount when im underneath him??
Counter 4 it's called tsukomi jime in Judo, and if you're not in a club very ijf rules focused you can break the grip with both hands, besides it's not illegal in ne waza. not here to irritate, i practice both and love both.
Nicholas NJ The loop choke seems like it's fairly easy to block, though. And with both his hands occupied with the Ezekiel, how does he prevent getting arm barred?
Metal Gamer he won several 1st place NAGA tournaments at Blue Belt, 3rd Place IBJJF and now at Purple belt ... he goes to another gym to "roll" in NYC and even caught a black belt the 1st time he did it ... he pressures down , (similar but not the same as what is shown as #4in this video,
Nicholas NJ Ezequiel is the name of a Brazilian Judô and Brazilian jiu-jítsu competitor back in the day who developed most of the first variation of the “ Ezequiel chokes “ thus the name of those chokes
#4 works, i have done this as a white belt to defend against purple... yeah it gets out 'out ' , never tried knee on hip.... ok I will do this with my uke next week.... domo arigaro sensei stephenru
It's been said, but this move is totally legal in judo! You can't do it in a standing position, but none of those gripping rules apply in matwork (except for maybe the pistol grip, I can't remember).
Curious question, is the cross collar grip (or any technique that replicates it under the other conditions) applicable without the specific kind of gear used for BJJ? Either if your torso is completely uncovered, or very minimal coverage. (like a tank-top or similar)
David Benton Real Estate good point! I assume it doesn't matter too much and he always chooses his right (dominant) side for the counter, regardless of the guard players side of attack. I think it'll work regardless, as the main defense is the hereby created distance. Against a very strong opponent, it may make a difference though. Let's see if and what Stephan replies to this.
Cool techniques here... I tried the Thrust choke on a 3 stripe white belt tonight and he didn't see it coming.. Tried it on a 2 stripe blue belt and the knee in the hip crease to block arm bar was useless when he grabbed the back of my ankle to sweep me. So... be mindful of that.
+McDyloo McDyloo It would be a lot harder to get his lapel out; but as far as blocking his free arm it works about the same. What you could do is use your (in the case of the situation in this video) left hand to start working his grip loose or "answer the phone" with it. Bottom line is: Address the lapel grip immediately. Strip it off immediately, or better still block his hand before he gets the grip. Good luck in your training and I hope this helps.
There is a really simple way to nullify the lapel choke with your chin against the back of the wrist which will create a wrist crank and bruises the wrist which will leave your arms free to finish them with either a can opener or a flurry of hard punches. I personally think that lapel choke is the dumbest move in grappling whether from guard or mount it leaves you wide open to a lot of attacks and reversals. P. S. You will only have to stick your chin in once and that person will never try again pretty soon no one in your class will either. No one does that choke to me or my thirteen year old son anymore
+RyuDragonLaw I can only suppose that your training partners must not be very good with this move. Half the skill of getting it on in the first place is getting under the chin, and you shouldn't be able to punch hard because they should be pulling your head down the the mat next to theirs.
Based on some of the escapes I'm used too seeing we would turn the palm the opposite direction as soon as we broke to get the arm out. A lot of times they say 'Spaghetti Plate Up' or JKD people trainging BJJ might say Tan Sao (check out Master Wong's Tan Sao video). AND pull the Elbow to your knee.
On the GROUND, JUDOKA can 2 hand Grip Break. Just from standing... Maybe you didn't know this? Or maybe it was just a matter of the way it was explained and I didn't understand.
Your vids would be better if they were 3-6 minutes long. I love the info but not the extra time that could be cut out. Great knowledge shared of course, so thank you.
