It's amazing what the stock subaru crosstrek will do. I bought mine new a year ago, and have traveled hundreds of miles of difficult forrest roads in the rockies. I hear people talking quite often "how did he get up here in that"? They just don't realize what this car will do. I don't know if I'm going to get a lift or not, because so far I have gone wherever I wanted without it.
At the elevation that this place is at a turbo model would be perfect. I would personally take an older XT Forester or a lifted WRX wagon. I currently own an 05 WRX sedan.
@@evoman44 it would work great if you can keep the revvs up and are in boost range, but the lower compression ratio and low stall torque can make a trail challenging in a 4 cylinder turbo. Crawl ratio is king 😀. A Naturally aspirated 86 HP Suzuki Samurai with low gear transfer case would slay a high elevation trail like this. My friends that have current gen 260HP Outback XTs with the FA24DIT engine will nearly stall out at these elevations on a paved road from a dead stop.
Awesome. I really appreciated you telling us year, suspension mods , driveline and wheel/tire combos of these vehicles. Most informative subaru specific video I've seen. Thank you!
Beautifully shot. It doesn’t look as steep on video but from the way everyone was revving, you can tell it wasn’t easy. I love the energy from everyone. Congrats on the climb ❤
Poser rock looks cool and I know it's safe if you're careful. But it still scares the shit outta me just the same. I'm glad you guys used spotters and were very careful. Accidents happen when you let your guard down, and that is the wrong place to hit the wrong pedal or have a failure of some kind. This is one of the coolest Subaru Trekking videos I've ever seen. Great Job!
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Well it IS a nice pic. And you actually got drone footage as well. I'm so scared of heights I'd want to be attached to somebodies winch. Lol. Not really, but I'd THINK about it.
I sat through the entire video with this rush of anxiety as if I was there with you guys!! Take me with you on the next one! I'd like to put my battle Pilot to the test 🙌😆. Congrats to the entire team that made it up. So awesome 🔥🔥🔥🔥
WOW! Bruceyyyy and his wonderful wife came from West Virginia! One state over from me. I'm in Virginia. I watch Bruceyyy too. I watch all of y'all 👍🏼👍🏼
Awesome congrats to all of you! Next year damn it! I'm gonna do Imogene in the Disco Sport! Glad you all made it safe and all rigs were in one piece. Great that you ran into German and Jay up there too!
It was a really good time. This being my 3rd consecutive year doing Imogene Pass, I have no desire to run it again. Next year we will have to go somewhere else 😀
A great video guys, your combined car, phone & drone work really tells the story well with your obvious friendship & mutual support shining through. A great group to go anywhere in the outdoors with for sure.
I just drove over Imogene in a ‘16 Outback 3.6. I started on the Telluride side. I have armor etc… I had a blast but this trail maxes out the abilities of the Subaru lineup.
Ive got the same green 3.6 as Brucyyy with same wildpeak trails and my sidewalls have taken a beating too. Ill be looking for some tougher tires next time. Great seein all ya'lls gettin after it, Whaooo!!
You all were a great fun group to watch!!! That looked like so much fun. Truly God's country STUNNING. If I ever get the itch to come do that, I definitely would love to be in a great group like that
Thanks!! Such a beautiful place. Even driving on the Million Dollar Highway an amazing experience! We visit Colorado every year, so if you want to join us, please let us know! It would be awesome to have a Forester Wilderness join in and it would do great!
You know how I feel about the Subi transmission. Kills me to see a big 3.6 engine that is probably producing around 200 lbs stall torque can't climb what would essentially be a loading ramp for a car hauler. Crawl ratio matters and 12.7 is poor, but even still, thats 2500 lbs-ft to the hubs and that should be enough. My Land Cruiser has the exact same crawl ratio in high range and roughly the same stall torque and I know it would make that hill. The altitude makes it hard for sure, but there is a lot of torque limiting going on with the lineartronic and it holds those poor Subi's back.
I took my 2018 Forester, 6MT up cinnamon pass with a week's camping gear and a RTT. We made it over from Silverton to Lake City without a problem but just barely. The biggest obstacle was climbing up the west side, nearly not having enough power to climb little steps without some momentum. These little NA engines just don't have the gearing without a low range case.
That is one thing I loved about my old school subies (i.e. 4x140 bolt pattern wheeled cars) you get some very funny looks from jeeps and such being out on trails like this one lol, I sure do miss my little 76 4wd wagon though but loving the Sequoia I have now. Hopefully in the next year or 2 we will be able to do Imogene pass while over visiting my sister who lives north of Denver.
Yeah, that was the plan! Matt has announced that he gets his forester wilderness in November. Would love to see him make the attempt. Make sure you're subscribed to his channel to find out. I bet one of the first things he does when he gets his FW is take it up Imogene. He lives alot closer to Colorado than me.
Jon, it almost seemed like Matt H’s white forester has a “crawl ratio” like forester wilderness!? The way it went up that steep rock was impressive considering the relivley low H.P. Maybe he just sends it!
@@sneakyracerpr really good observations guys. Theoretically, a longer wheel base should make climbing easier, but the low weight, lightened wheels and direct injection must have made the difference. I think we need to put a big emphasis on the Enkei wheels that Matt was running. Those are 14 lbs. a piece. A stock Forester wheel is 25-27 lbs. Matt's lighter wheels give him more WHP (wheel horse power) and torque. Also, accounting for rotational mass, that wheel choice makes his vehicle perform 208 lbs. lighter.
Always seems to come down to the CVT that's holding the Subarus back. The newer Wilderness Outback with the 2.4L turbo and revised gearing does help, but I've still seen videos of those stuck on steep inclines with the engine trying to rev but it's just sitting there doing nothing. Can't spin, can't move, just sitting there with the engine whirring. I guess the thing is, know your vehicle's limits (and your own). Personally, I'd love to see a normal 10 speed auto in the Outback Wilderness with a low range transfer case. That would be awesome.
I have always liked the Subaru even if have never owned one And I have done Imogene pass quite a few times; just a short drive over to the Ouray area from Moab where I used to live, but did it in a Hummer. You guys did good. Now, head over to Moab and do Hell's revenge one of the easiest in Moab.
Cool to see what a Subaru can do with some upgrades. I have a winch on my '23 Crosstrek Sport. Seriously considering a lift and bigger tires. Mostly so I can make it up and down the unmaintained road to my house!
Thanks for posting. Amazing adventure, with this elevation the engines are done, but you reached the summit. I'm from the Italian alps and got a dual range SG forester with the two liter na engine with twincams. A powerful engine but not the best one for off roading, it needs to be revved, the red line is at 7500 rpm 🙆♂️🤦♂️
Great Video, alot of fun and hard work what a crew. What brand and model of radios do you use they are clear, also what charger is needed. where did you purchase the radios. Thank You Very Much!
I had no issues with the trans overheating and was able to monitor and manage my temps in real time with the ScanGauge 2. I also have a Mishimoto trans cooler.
As noted in the video's information subtitles, all vehicles in this video have upgraded transmission cooling and all vehicles. Just like with @careylando2795 's Outback last year, we didn't observe excessive temps. At the higher altitudes, the thinner air and lack of engine power will bog down an engine enough so that the transmission doesn't get overworked.
I've seen parts of this on another channel, but I have enjoyed seeing it again. Plus there is some added scenery in here. By the way, it was mentioned that some means of monitoring transmiission temps. I have a factory oil cooler because I have the wilderness. I don't know how good it is but I know it is more than most Outbacks get. But I don't have a way to monitor Transmission temperature. I think I ran across a gizmo that hooks in to your inspection port (I forget the name of that) that allows you to , among other things, see your transmission temp, and it has a little cheap looking (but good enough) monitoring screen that looks like it could attach to a dashboard or kneeboard. What do you guys use to monitor your transmission temps. And do you think that the extra cooling advertised on the Wilderness is as good as the aftermarket solutions people use or would I end up having to upgrade anyway? No problem if you guys don't know the answers to some of this, I just thought you might since, well, you guys are out there. This was a great video. Great group of friendly people having fun and getting the most out of their hobby Subarus!
I've always mentioned the Scangauge 2. It was made back in the 90s and is still a really good option. They have the scangauge 3 now, but I don't feel a need to spend all that money, also, I don't need another bright screen in my face at night 🤣
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks.That sounds like the one I read about, but I couldn't remember the name. I need to pick one of those up. And I agree on the versions. If I am only using it for one basic purpose that is satisfied by version 2, I'll pocket the savings. Thanks again.
Do those Subarus not really have low range? Looks like you all had a good time! low range makes night and day difference. I think I would even attempt Imogene pass without low range 😂
44:00 oh boy… nvm redeemed himself 😂 looking good. And 53:12 i don’t know been running Falkens only and haven’t had any issues with them 🤣 and idk about 4LO all day for that
I love this video but I can't understand why these Subarus don't have enough power to make the wheels sleep over the rocks, the engine revs but it seems that there is no power to wheels. With a manual gearbox would be different no?
I'm so curious as to how a Rav4 Hybrid would deal with such a trip. The transmission is a completely different type of CVT, rear wheels have just an electric motor (40kW) driving them with no centre differential.
@@jb6748 just did this 4 days ago with a 3rd gen 3.0H6 Outback with the 5EAT with only a 10.9:1 crawl ratio, and it was able to put down more power than the CVT in Bruceyyyyy’s 5th gen Outback 3.6R with more of a crawl ratio. It was very interesting to see.
At 35:30 or so it's so weird to hear the CVT with the engine matted the whole time it just drones at the same RPM. What happens if you let off there? Do you just have to back all the way down and hit it again?
Im really pissed off right now after watching this video. I just bought a 2016 outback 3.6r and I truly had high hopes for it. I wish there was a way to make better power. Is there a way to change the 12.5.1 gear to a better crawling gear? What power upgrades are there?
I've been saying this for a while now, but if someone would just make an aftermarket transmission upgrade for Subarus, they would PRINT MONEY. With that said, there are really no current mass produced transmission upgrades for a CVT Subaru. If you had a stick shift, you can go with the ZF design dual range transmission swap. Anything is possible with enough time and money, but it would be completely custom. Don't be mad, your vehicle still has alot of purpose. That thing gets good 28 MPGs when left in a similar form as Bruceyyyyy. Just travel within it's limits. It's rare you'll come across a 13,000 foot peak, so there's still alot of other places to go 😀
So.....would you say a Forrester is better because its naturally aspirated and better at altitude and the Forester has better angles? Im about to buy either a Forester or Outback so im learning. Moving from Austin to the mountains to get free.
These are NOT normal Subarus. I’d love to do this, but I don’t know anyone else who would go. Definitely don’t want to go alone. I have a slightly lifted 2022 4Runner TRD Pro.
The green vehicle is my Honda Passport with iVTM4 awd. Definitely a different awd platform. I’d say old Subaru and new Subarus handle very different too, because of different transmissions and the introduction of brake vectoring.
Considering that Matt's Forester with a 13.3:1 crawl ratio was able to make it up. The Forester Wilderness would just do it easier (given the same mods: Lift kit, higher clearance mods on the bumpers).
Thanks, now I’m wondering what that would be for the boosted wilderness. Y’all running another CVT adventure in the future? I’ll keep searching for videos for OBW’s doing this climb, but so far I’ve yet to run into any.
Rener44, you'll see one in an upcoming "Gunnison Colorado" video. We have Javier and his 4th Gen Manual Forester that had the ZF design dual range transmission put in. We drive up steeper climbs and he was able to stop mid hill and continue on. It was quite impressive. That trip was 3 months ago, but the reason I've been lagging on completing the video is because the trip had so many lessons and I want to do the video justice. I'll try to produce it in 2 weeks time.
