I mean it sounds like the guy just got hypoxia at the worst possible time. His outlined plan was to do specifically what he in the moment refused to high sounds like hypoxia
A key reason that Nanda Devi is illegal to climb, is because it is a holy site of great significance to millions of people. The fact that those people just to decided to, literally, crap all over a holy site, is unspeakably crass and entitled.
That is nothing to a climber hubris and arrogance. Reaching the top is more important than their lives or anyone else they drag into their efforts. We've seen how these people act when heading for a peak. They literally step over the dying to reach it as on K2. The fact this mountain is sacred means very little.
@@juliebear1505 Hubris...and a huge huge amount of selfishness. Not all climbers are like this, but enough are. And the way they treat the Sherpas is unspeakable.
A friend of mine hiked in Nepal near Everest. She didn’t climb Everest, but the Nepal trails are challenging enough. She lost about 30 lbs in the month she was there. She was so cold and affected by the hike she couldn’t sleep or eat much. She enjoyed her trip, but it was physically hard on her.
Makes me wonder how many families are left without a member because someone wanted an adrenaline rush and weren't humble enough to admit they don't have the skills/ability to handle something. Especially considering how cheap emergency satellite emergency devices are nowadays designed exactly for scenarios like this.
I admit to having limited empathy for extreme adventurers who get themselves injured or killed in highly risky places. This forces other people to risk or lose their own lives to haul injured or dead bodies to a hospital or a morgue. Or, that task just becomes impossible. So many become stranded and die on Everest that the mountain is littered with corpses. I read recently that the total is about 300, now. That's just disgusting.
Search and rescue are volunteers, they are never forced to do anything, but they choose to because, having climbed enough to be capable of performing a rescue/recovery, they understand the draw to climb and don’t resent others for taking risks that are quite similar or same to the risks they took in their personal climbing adventures. Same with search and rescue in any extreme activity. S&R folk want to help, that’s why they’re S&R, and they know that people who don’t want to do such activities have no empathy for the lost or injured so they know that even if others could - which they couldn’t because they don’t have the experience climbing - but even if they could, many wouldn’t because they’d be too busy judging others for having the audacity to not like and fear the same things they themselves do. They have to look out for their own. I imagine there’s something you do that may not be as obviously dangerous as high altitude climbing, but is just as dangerous but less visibly so. Maybe it’s smoking or processed foods or sugary drinks, using your phone while driving. Or any number of other similar examples. Mine is smoking and I know there will be people who think I deserve to die without empathy or sympathy because of that. And I am eternally grateful that none of those people are in my life. God bless!
@@sunshineeddy6849 True, if only people who always made "good choices" were the only ones allowed to exist no one would exist. Everyone alive has made multiple bad choices (probably thousands each)
@@sunshineeddy6849 I appreciate your comment. It's very true that the majority of SAR people are there by choice. In the early 2000s, I got into rock climbing. I moved to eastern Kentucky to be closer to the climbing areas. While there, I was contacted by the Wolfe County SAR requesting me to join the team. As I researched the opportunity, I discovered a surprising amount of the people involved with the team, were adrenaline junkies. Many climbers and tons of ATV folks. I would safety bet over 99% of people who risk their lives rescuing others, get as much of a rush saving people as the victim was experiencing before they became one.
@@sunshineeddy6849 -well demeaning people who lack the narcissism and insatiable drive to push the envelope of skills, strength and luck is some kind of disorder. The adrenaline junkies like avid alpine mountaineering like in this video, wingsuit base jumping, cave diving, extreme rock climbing involve extreme deathly risk that is understood, and the loved ones who know that the adventure is avoidable and secretly say goodbye each time that person leaves to embark on a new adventure. Disaster is inevitable and expected. They will keep rolling the dice until it comes up craps. Oh well. They died doing what they loved, like being buried in an avalanche.
Yes that is the way its done. Going without oxygen is hardcore you have the right to introduce any kind of heat you can get. Those chemical heating pouches are nice. People who use bottled oxygen also use hand warmers and foot warmers.
@@sndspderbytes I think you are missing the point. He's meaning that using heated gloves and boots (with batteries) is an artificial help, just as using supplemental oxygen is...
I sort of know what you are saying but why not climb naked? It’s up to the climber which style they wish to climb in and totally your right to judge them if you wish too
Kinda reminds me of some Amish farmers I used to see. They didn’t use rubber tires on their farm trailers since they’re synthetic, yet the tanks on the trailers were polypropylene.😂
I can't even imagine what it'd be like to selfishly pursue whatever I wanted, even if it took me away from my children, because I had a wife or something back home taking care of all the responsibilities. Just wow
You have gotten some beautiful footage in this video ! Wow ! How beautiful ! Nature can be very terrifying, and even deadly! Nothing to mess with ! Great video and content! Liked and subscribed. ❤ 🙏
Sherpas need to be trained to turn around and leave clients who ignore their directions. Once a climber is beyond reasoning on an 8,000m peak they're as good as dead by that stage. Too many Sherpa have died following clients who refuse to turn around due to hypoxia, summit fever or a combination of the two.
They are told by the trek companies that they MUST help the big paying customers. Famously in the 1996 Chomolungma disaster, the NY socialite - the one whom "required" her fax and espresso machine be carried everywhere with her - found herself "tired". So the sherpa (I should know his name...horrible that I don't, and typical) who was meant to be putting the ropes and ladders in place for the other climbers from the same trek company, was ORDERED by the head of the company to actually CARRY her up the mountain. This meant that when all the other climbers reached the spot where they expected to have ropes, and ladders on the upper reaches of the mountain....nothing was there. Then more and more people gathered at the spot and so on.
@@greenman6141 no not quite. Lopsang Sherpa was not ordered to short rope Sandy Hill Pittman for several hours. Guide Beidleman could not fathom why he did it [but didn't question Lopsang] and no one knew why he took it on himself to do such a thing. Scott Fischer was unwell and climbing behind his clients so was unaware what was happening. Lopsang spoke to one of Scott Fischers close friends after the disaster. He knew that getting Pitman to the summit would be a feather in Fischers cap, generating a lot of publicity. Lopsang said that since Pittman was the slowest client in the group he would drag her up the mountain. Read Jon Krakauer's Into Thin Air if you're interested.
@@greenman6141 no one ordered Lopsang to drag Pitman up the mountain. Lopsang was extremely loyal to Fischer and knew that getting her to the summit would generate massive publicity for his boss. Thinking that Pitman was a slow climber he took it on himself to pull her up the mountain. Guide Beidlemen [who should have intervened] said that Lopsang had 'lost all sight' of his actual duties that day and yes, not being in the lead with Halls Sirdar to fix ropes [no ladders, they're only used in the Kumbu Icefall just above base camp] was the cause of the traffic jambs that slowed up both teams.
@@greenman6141 Jon Krakauer was there and he conducted interviews with every other survivor who was there so you must have a err, an active imagination.
Even a successful climb seems like a nightmare experience to me. Ive known one person who was a mountain climber. She was struck by lightening on the matterhorn, leaving her 2 little boys orphans as they had lost their dad the year before to brain cancer. I'll never get it, but i guess it's not for me to get.
I totally agree. If you have small children, you have NO business embarking on something like Everest. Either hold off on having a family or wait until they're adults to finally achieve your 'dream'. That's one of the reasons I have no sympathy for the climber who became the 'sleeping beauty' corpse so many videos love romanticizing about. Her young son begged her not to go on that last trip, but she went anyway.
Sadly its not just hiking high slopes, I live in the Scottish Highlands and every year people die because they thought that following safety instructions or doing such simple things like checking the weather
My sister and her husband climbed Mt Fuji in 1970 they rested at a station and it was really windy she was almost blown off the mountain her husband had a walking stick and he reached out and she grabbed the end of the stick...
Yep. Former SAR volunteer here. I've carried out people who had fallen 70 feet, and spent the night in a pitch black forest looking for a lost hiker. Never one time did anyone force me to take part in any of those rescues. I fully accepted any risks as did everyone on the team.
It's always their ego that makes them want to risk their lives. What always upsets me is that they then expect to be rescued when something happens. This may sound harsh but I feel that if they're prepared to illegally put their lives on the line like this, they should forfeit their 'right' to have rescue teams to risk theirs too. Rescue teams have wives and families; it's unfair that they are expected to risk it all for these people's stupidity. The deal should be 'if you don't follow safety protocol and go where/when you're not supposed to, you're on your own. No one will come looking for you'!
I feel that, for any expert in any field of endeavor, the thing most likely to bring them down is overconfidence. They'll take risks where a timid amateur will stop and rethink.
You do know that they choose to be part of rescue teams... right? Many of the rescuers pursue the same hobbies, hence them becoming qualified to rescue. They do it because they understand the love of the climb. You act like the rescuers are forced into the job. I also don't think most true mountaineers "expect" anyone to do anything on their behalf. They know what they are getting into & understand the thin line they walk. I think what makes me scratch my head more than any of the adventure seekers in these videos, are the vitriol filled comments people leave sitting on their butts at home conforming to 9-5 hustle culture & dying slow & unremarkable deaths. Many of whom never set foot anywhere that isn't comfortable & safe. If you enjoy boring yourself to death as opposed to overcoming fears & pushing your limits to remind yourself you're alive. That's great! But knock off the judgey shit. It sounds... very Karen-ish & tone def. I've seen this type of comment so many times. Almost as if this world is FULL of people who do not understand passion in any form. Drones.
@@artemis2666 Well there you go showing your true ignorance, presuming all sorts and spilling out what you THINK you know about people you know NOTHING about! Here you go presuming, accusing and insulting complete online strangers ; thus making a real fool of yourself! FYI... I live in New Zealand; the 'capital' of outdoor adventure! I'm very far from sitting on my butt and anything but boring myself to death. 😂 Lol I've even made it through 3 big earthquakes. I have hiked over much of this beautiful country and over mountains. I've been to the top of Mt Taranaki and currently live at the base of a smaller mountain. You can hike up one side and down the other to get to town in one hour; which I often do instead of just driving to town! I also walk most days and I am a 65 yr old woman with a very active lifestyle!! However, in my country, safety is very highly promoted, that includes staying on the trails; because of the many dangers all around. And yes I know rescuers aren't forced into the job. Duh! 🙄 My son is a volunteer firefighter!
@@artemis2666Wow. That’s a lot of liberties you’re taking regarding the lives of people who leave the type of comments you describe. It kind of makes you just as tone “def” as the people you decry. You could have made your point better without going off on assumptions.
It’s not illegal to climb Fuji in the off-season, you just have to submit a climbing plan to the authorities. However, it’s definitely not advisable unless someone has strong mountaineering skills.
That's the thing about mountain rescue teams, though, isn't it? They're hardly forced to do it. A fool totally bites off more than he can chew 100% voluntarily. Persons B,C and D all signed up to rescue such folk 100% voluntarily also. That's the way the world works. Your regular emergency services are probably more essential to the smooth running of society, but then life is about seeking happiness (including thrills). So people will do exotic activities and when things go wrong will 'need' rescuing / saving. Obviously, if they can't be reached and saved in time, that's the risk they took. That's life.
I was stationed at mountain home Air Force Base in mountain home Idaho years ago. The state got so sick of spending millions of dollars every year to rescue idiots who were told not to go when logging roads on the off-season because they would be in danger of getting stuck in a blizzard that just popped up out of nowhere and every year idiots did it. Will the state of Idaho made a law. If you break the law or break certain rules and go places that you know you're not allowed to go to will rescue you but you're paying for it! There were more than a few people who ended up with bills in the hundreds of thousands of dollars and their income will be garnished 33 percent until it's paid off. Most of them will never pay it off but they're going to have to spend the rest of their lives for putting up 33% of their income. I guess that's life@@NeilMalthus
I feel some sympathy for Joshua, at least he belonged on the mountain. Shriya Shah-Klorfine is a much more fitting story I think. She didn't belong at base camp and she didn't belong on the summit.
Interesting video. I wonder how long it would've taken before the other persons had been found, if Takahashi hadn't had a GPS locator, or even just Takahashi being found himself. Either way, I hope that it at least gave some comfort to the loved ones they left behind, that they weren't left in that in-between stage of not knowing for certain.
I was going to ask why so many people die on Mount Fuji but I looked up Mount Whitney and read that 3 people died within a week this year. Mount Whitney is slightly taller.
Might be because Fuji is advertised and regarded as an easy climb, even for novices. When I was researching it to decide whether I as an unfit person without any experience in mountaineering could do it, the most common argument I read was that even Japanese elders climb it without issue. And it really wasn't that difficult a climb apart from one or two rock inclines that had to be climbed, but if a bunch of inexperienced people all decide to visit there's bound to be problems. I had to turn around two hours away from the summit cause my friend had altitude sickness and her fiance refused to accompany her down. Middle of the night, pitch black trails, so I decided to not risk her safety and go down with her. A bit salty tbh. Obviously not towards her, but he was very... Aggravating, insisting that all she had to do was continue and that it couldn't be that hard since it wasn't for him. Thankfully we had bottled oxygen.
@@emdove I can't believe your friend's fiance decided not to go down with her. Usually if someone says something or falters on a big mountain hike it's a serious issue and they need to get to lower ground right away.
I climbed Mt. Whitney while in the Boy Scouts. It’s really a rocky trail all the way. No climbing involved. But I did suffer altitude sickness on top. I suppose edema or extreme altitude sickness could be fatal. Every person handles it differently.
Look on the bright side. The Sherpas are wising up to the abuse and are defending themselves a lot more than they used to. Second, I think a lot of people still see Sherpas as peasants. Nepalese Sherpas have an income 3 times the national average. People are just ignorant on lifestyle choices and assume they live in the mountain out of desperation, not that their people have always been mountain people. Many do it to protect their land. As global warming is happening it’s defrosting the bodies, which is seeping bacteria into local water supplies. They need to limit the dead to protect their own families. Or at least bring them down.
I have done solo winter ascents of several peaks in Western Canada and the US. One has to have a realistic understanding of the route, the avalanche conditions, the upcoming weather conditions and make adequate preparations. Even with those precautions there are many variables with winter mountain travel that can bite you. Those are the risks you accept but the rewards of the peace, solitude and unsurpassed beauty are extraordinary.
I read a story about an experienced climber with all the guide qualifications and the whole nine yards. After his last climb of the season he decided he didn't want to haul all the rope back so he left it in a handy cave. Yes, he "stored" his climbing rope by simply leaving it in a cave for the winter. Can anybody guess what happened when he went back and used that rope for a climb the next year?
I remember, it might’ve been earlier this year, I Googled my own name and there, to my horrid surprise, was, as you say, my name, address etc, in full view for everyone to see. I remember writing to that website screaming and swearing at them for to take it down immediately, even threatening legal action (which I simply can’t afford) I mean, I did my f--’n nut, and as far as I know it’s still there! This Aura thing, does that really get rid of it or does it merely mask ‘YOU’ (the rightful owner of the info) from being able to view it? Also, if it does remove it, if you let your subscription lapse, will Aura simply put your information back on again, effectively creating a blackmail approach? Thanks
I was shitting bricks when I saw an estimate of my net worth on top of my address, I have a stalker too and it has made me nervous. The internet has many major flaws.
Yes when your subscription runs out they will resell your information. Mine has run out and during the day I keep my phone on do not disturb bc I get 8-12 scam calls a day! Similar thing happened when I let my anti virus run out. All of a sudden I had a virus on my computer. Everything is a scam. Edited to add: the virus got on my pc with no internet connection which is why I let it run out. I wasn’t online anymore with my pc. So the virus was added by the software bc I let it run out. 😑
@@gingercatqueen4368 So the very ‘Aura’ software you employed to protect your system and personal information, turned on you and actually put a virus on your system when you let your subscription lapse? That’s what I’m afraid of, there is no ‘true’ protection!
I saw a video on climbing mount Fuji and it would be stupid to try to hike here outside of the season. Each base camp has mini cabins, trails are well maintained, food and drinks available. Therefore, if the weather goes bad you have somewhere safe to take shelter and get regenerated. An unlicensed guide is available for your hike, go ahead and go for it, licensed guides are overrated anyway? Nepal never cares about anyone's safety. Nepal requires the expensive permits for financial reasons only, this brings in enormous revenue for the country each season. An African trying to climb Mt. Everest without oxygen, I will put my money on mother nature with this scenario. The last group was like a herd of sheep jumping off the cliff together, the blind leading the blind.
Three climbers all dying of heart attacks simultaneously is so highly improbable as to be immedeiately suspect. Did they share some illicit substance to celebrate the summit?
It can be very dangerous though. On a canoe trip one of my friends climbed to the top of a waterfall. He fell off and got hurt really bad. They had no cell service and still had miles to go on the trip. When they finally made it to the pickup location, it was too late.
@@andrea_7373 That is sad, and I'm sorry to hear that. Before I had brain surgery and gave up most hobbies likely to cause head or neck injury, I used to climb. A lot of things that look like safe, easy climbs can be dangerous, especially around water. I've landed on my butt on flat rock from a trickle of water and organisms creating a low-friction service. Up high, slipping on one is a big risk.
Summiting is only 1/3 the journey as more people die on the decent than the accent, your tired, you put you all into getting up there, summit fever, then you don't have the strength to get back down safely.
Why are you calling going off trail stupid? Thats normal.. you just have to know when to stop.. you always have to know your limits And that stuff happens like an avalanche or a storm.. well. That is the risk you are willing to takre, of you walk where those things can be dangerous
I don't get the appeal. Maybe it's cause I'm petrified of heights & not really a fan of the cold. I don't even like climbing the stairs in my house. Why risk death just to climb some rocks?..
Great footage and narration. They'd be SO enjoyable without the awful background "music"! On rare moments when the godawful noise stops, it's such a joy and relief.
I don't think it is accurate nor fair to say that the first climber's death was a "stupid disaster." Other than starting before the official season (which the video did not say was illegal), he did everything properly. He had trained and was properly equipped - including taking a GPS beacon and telling others his path and due date. Other than having a bit more snow to walk through, possibly straining his heart because it was before the climbing season, he died of a cause that could have happened regardless of whenever he chose to climb.
Deaths via mountain climbing are not caused by one bad decision. The fatal outcome is a series of bad decisions starting with taking up mountain climbing. These deaths are 100% preventable.
I mean to be clear going on an adventure like climbing on mountains or hiking is always a risk you’re taken no matter what even if it’s a trail you’re still taking risk so always be on the lookout for real and be careful on legends pay attention people like my goodness Hundred percent agree that tour guide definitely should be charged but for real people when you’re going on these things you still need to pay attention to your own
Why don't people check out their hiking guides? Or support personnel when doing extreme sports? No supplemental oxygen? EGO - misplaced bravado. RIP to everyone who goes on this path.
I was jumping off the cliffs in tobermory ontario with a couple buddys. We would jump off swim down a bit a find new clifs to jump off. On our way back where we started there was a lady laying at tge bottom of a cliff on the rocks. They had to put her on a coast guard boat and take her to the marina and then airlifted to hospital.
Thanks for sharing that.. You guys probably saved her life.. Did you ever find out about her? She owes you guys some thanks! Being there was by sheer chance! Amazing 👏
It is the way that the people with money regard the Sherpas as disposable and, essentially, slaves, that I find simply unbearable. Over and over I have left comments on RU-vid videos detailing climbing deaths, where the names of the rich people who died are all detailed, and photos of them are shown over sad music, and then there MIGHT be one sentence saying "and eight Sherpa died". No names even. I write that it is terrible the way the Sherpa are treated. And invariably a get back screeds of furious retorts saying, "well they're well paid" or " they know the risks". As though somehow taking advantage of their poverty to make them agree to doing something very risky and also totally pointless (none of these rich people have any actual REAL reason for these climbs. They just feel like doing it, and can't do it on their own. ) somehow makes the killing of these people, year after year somehow perfectly fine. Indeed, the people who leave those comments seem to express actual dislike and disdain for the Sherpa. There appears to be a real underlying bigotry, which reminds me far too much of the way I hear so many American these days, in restaurants or hotels, shouting about "illegals". Because, yup, the "hospitality" industry, catering, meat, and farm industries would all collapse were it not for the "illegals" doing all the work that "legal" Americans won't even consider doing, and certainly not for the money offered. But the reaction of these "legal" Americans to having food and products, and leisure events that they can afford solely because of the work these "illegals" do...is to hate them and speak about them as though they're greedy and lazy. Let's see how many people respond this time saying how good the Sherpa really have it.
This is obviously a sick marketing attempt for a data security company. As a former mountain guide and lifelong climber, I can tell you know little to NOTHING about the outdoors. My guess is you relied heavily on Ai for this script, as well as stock photos and video that had little to do with the actual cases you so poorly analyzed. I’m coming down hard on you because this ticks me off! It’s fear-mongering, using sports you don’t understand to create a state of fear which will then (you hope) transfer to make prospects fearful about their data security as you hawk your product. Manipulative, Disgusting & Damaging! Your implication that the wilderness is so dangerous, human use of it should be government regulated, and that users should only venture into it under the supervision of approved, certified guides, is as ridiculous as it is fascist. You damage the outdoor community when you push this narrative. Most of us climb and venture into the wilderness for the FREEDOM it gives us. We are able and willing to train, analyze the risks, and take responsibility for our own choices. As our skills increase, we can tackle increasingly difficult routes, SAFELY. This is how we make the wilderness “safe”. And as individuals, it’s how we learn to think critically and exercise good judgement that serves us well in every aspect of life. Everyone venturing into the outdoors, beyond the signs & protective fencing that warns tourists, should be encouraged to go through this growth & maturation process. We should not encourage MINDLESS DEPENDENCY on “Big Brother” (whether it’s government, or even certified guides) to tell us where we can go, where we can’t, and what’s safe and what is not. If you viewed this video, please don’t succumb to the fear, and flood the wilderness with rules, laws and unduly constraining regulations. And please don’t buy this “filmmaker’s” data security product. He/she deserves no reward for this (find an ethical way to market, @ExtremeEdgeStories).
I thought I could smell BS in what I was hearing as I wasted my time watching the video. I think I'll go back a page now and make sure I don't get the channel recommended to me by YT.
It should be enough to unsub because it's an AI generated voice. They're taking over YT and I'm not watching any channel that is seriously contributing to this circus.
I don't see how you can say you've actually climbed any mountain when absolutely everything is done for you including base camps with every thing you need and having the majority of your baggage carried by other's
Climbers, for all their 'love' of nature, dont seem to have much respect for nature. I'm an Aussie. We have mountains. Not as tall as elsewhere. But they'll kill you just the same, if you don't respect your surroundings. Climbing everest, without oxygen or climbing other mountains and going off trail is like deciding to walk off into the never never without water or a map.. stupid and vanity will get you killed at sea level, let alone up a whopping great mountain.. its hard to sympathise with stupid
