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It is so hard to build something that is fully working! Why does the intake speed drop so much?
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@graysonyu6177
@graysonyu6177 4 месяца назад
i know the season is over now but i wana say that the more pressure you have pushing two gears together (PTO) the lesss force will be "conducted" through the two motors, same goes for your motorsharing video :)
@flyingcheese22608a
@flyingcheese22608a 4 месяца назад
Yes, that makes sense. Thank you!
@Ultra-nl7mv
@Ultra-nl7mv Месяц назад
this is why we used a gravity gear instead of pneumatics
@gsli-alt
@gsli-alt 6 месяцев назад
@flyingcheese22608a The pneumatic system draws a crap ton of power, since the air compression system is not efficient. One of our school teams tried utilizing full pneumatic systems, but the battery (2nd gen) drained within three driving attempts
@flyingcheese22608a
@flyingcheese22608a 6 месяцев назад
Agree. So now we just turn the pump on for 20 seconds each round.
@madisoglrobotics
@madisoglrobotics 6 месяцев назад
@@flyingcheese22608a Wait?? The pumps whats draining the battery? I thought it was because I was drawing power from 6 motors?????
@SyntaxERRORRobotics
@SyntaxERRORRobotics 6 месяцев назад
​@@madisoglroboticsheck yeah it does lol
@Lee-squak
@Lee-squak 6 месяцев назад
its a cool yet challenging concept. one of my sister teams actually tried a 4 motor drive with pto motor share for intake and elevator. but they didnt have enough time before states so they scrapped their design. u guys have potential to do it though! keep it up!
@flyingcheese22608a
@flyingcheese22608a 6 месяцев назад
Yes, very challenging. We even burned a 2nd gen brain on it. 🤕
@Lee-squak
@Lee-squak 6 месяцев назад
ohh man, hope u get that replaced soon! (especially before import costs skyrocket!)@@flyingcheese22608a
@SyntaxERRORRobotics
@SyntaxERRORRobotics 6 месяцев назад
​@@flyingcheese22608adang
@SyntaxERRORRobotics
@SyntaxERRORRobotics 6 месяцев назад
what if you try on your rubber band wall on the intake try off brand rubber bands that are long but grippy this might help because you said the issue was collecting a lot of cubes at once and i think if the rubber bands are longer but grippy, the cubes can be pushed further back to allow purples to go over the greens. the "mechanical bulls" youtube channel shows a cluster collect video how they have no back wall just rubber bands and the green cube can sit there as the purples go over the green cube. if your issue is collecting a lot at once, this might help.
@flyingcheese22608a
@flyingcheese22608a 6 месяцев назад
Thank you, my friend. We found the Mechanical Bull's video, what they did is amazing! We will look into it.
@SyntaxERRORRobotics
@SyntaxERRORRobotics 6 месяцев назад
​@@flyingcheese22608a no problem! if you need anymore help, let me know!
@AEKicks
@AEKicks 6 месяцев назад
Nice robot! What gear ratio is it, and what are the gear sizes?
@sindy343
@sindy343 3 месяца назад
Weird because my robot intake is a two motor 3:1 ratio and it also can barely pick up supply zone and many other robots have same ration and can clear supply zome in 25 seconds.
@cstial
@cstial 6 месяцев назад
although it looks identical and the spacing may be, the pieces are still different. there may be multiple causes of this: 1. bent axles 2. bent beams 3. broken pieces 4. friction in the PTO and chain towards intake
@flyingcheese22608a
@flyingcheese22608a 6 месяцев назад
We are pretty sure they are identical. Bent axel and poor building quality will not give you a decent intake speed reading, which is not our case. The PTO gear frictions is around 5% speed reduction, which is also acceptable. The intake is fast when free spin but speed will drip dramatically while handling multiple cubes, we are not able to explain why.
@pradyumnaaiyangar1024
@pradyumnaaiyangar1024 6 месяцев назад
I think that you should try using a suspension wall and try to make the bottom ramp a little better for this bot.
@flyingcheese22608a
@flyingcheese22608a 6 месяцев назад
We failed on a good suspension wall. (Isaiah may yell to me: "what's wrong with you, I tought you already!"😓)@@pradyumnaaiyangar1024
@pyre46168G
@pyre46168G 6 месяцев назад
@@flyingcheese22608adon’t worry, I have faith in you bro
@thecappedpin
@thecappedpin 6 месяцев назад
i think i know if you use a bttery holder it gets hot easily so it affects the brain and the motors on the pto might disconnect
@flyingcheese22608a
@flyingcheese22608a 6 месяцев назад
Right, we recently noticed the battery holds did get hot.
@Ninjacookie331
@Ninjacookie331 6 месяцев назад
battery holder? @@flyingcheese22608a
@apollo4582
@apollo4582 6 месяцев назад
What does using a battery holder do for the bot
@unrealandunlike615
@unrealandunlike615 6 месяцев назад
Flying cheese building this right before the state competition I’m in with them 💀💀
@gameblade744
@gameblade744 6 месяцев назад
Same states is next week for us and I’m afraid rn
@unrealandunlike615
@unrealandunlike615 6 месяцев назад
@@gameblade744 what’s ur team #
@gameblade744
@gameblade744 6 месяцев назад
2499A
@gameblade744
@gameblade744 6 месяцев назад
@unrealandunlike615
@gameblade744
@gameblade744 6 месяцев назад
I hope we get paired up togheter
@broham5648
@broham5648 6 месяцев назад
love how all the good teams are dropping reveals now. I have regionals in one week :)
@madisoglrobotics
@madisoglrobotics 6 месяцев назад
are you going to create us open this year? I love flying cheese! Nice reveal!
@SyntaxERRORRobotics
@SyntaxERRORRobotics 6 месяцев назад
does the supply zone bar push your robot up at all? if so that might affect your robot considering how good it is OFF the bar?
@niyin4593
@niyin4593 6 месяцев назад
wait could the problem be that one of the PTO gears are scraping the supply zone bar slowing it down?
@flyingcheese22608a
@flyingcheese22608a 6 месяцев назад
It’s a 24 teeth gear, it should not scraping the bar. But we will double check.
@SyntaxERRORRobotics
@SyntaxERRORRobotics 6 месяцев назад
​@@flyingcheese22608awhen you figure it out can you make a quick update video? I'm just interested in how it's going lol
@pyre46168G
@pyre46168G 3 месяца назад
Unfortunately we also had this problem with our worlds robot this year 😔
@flyingcheese22608a
@flyingcheese22608a 3 месяца назад
But you look the best in the pride of nations. GO USA!
@pyre46168G
@pyre46168G 3 месяца назад
@@flyingcheese22608a thx 😁
@sayhellotolane
@sayhellotolane 6 месяцев назад
It might be because you are drawing power for all 6 motors at the same time now instead of just 4.
@flyingcheese22608a
@flyingcheese22608a 6 месяцев назад
Yes, that makes sense!
@madisoglrobotics
@madisoglrobotics 6 месяцев назад
@@flyingcheese22608aI don’t think so. Because that was one thing that was a downside of the PTO the battery drains like wild. However, it does slow down a smidge while driving but it’s way less insignificant than the drop on your bot. But that’s just our expierience.
@apollo4582
@apollo4582 6 месяцев назад
My PTO slows down the rest of the motors when it runs, only by 5-10%
@Nameless66556Z
@Nameless66556Z 6 месяцев назад
wow! great job!
@Ultra-nl7mv
@Ultra-nl7mv 3 месяца назад
nicky
@madisoglrobotics
@madisoglrobotics 6 месяцев назад
why do you use a 4m drivetrain? Also I think its cause your pto gears are scraping btw which is why it looses speed.
@flyingcheese22608a
@flyingcheese22608a 6 месяцев назад
Still trying to full park.
@HappyChap8
@HappyChap8 6 месяцев назад
Full Park is still possible without 4m, we currently have a desgin that has like these pneumatic arms that grab onto the low bar and just like climb, it's pretty difficult but should be possible for you to do.@@flyingcheese22608a
@ultranoobthing
@ultranoobthing 6 месяцев назад
maybe it's not the intakes problem, but rather the rubber band walls problem or ramp
@madisoglrobotics
@madisoglrobotics 6 месяцев назад
try not using bevel gears for your lift you loose torque
@flyingcheese22608a
@flyingcheese22608a 6 месяцев назад
We use them to change the motor rotation directions, otherwise, there will be bevel gears involved.
@madisoglrobotics
@madisoglrobotics 6 месяцев назад
I know I'm just saying from my experience it is more sturdy to just use chain going the same direction as the PTO shafts because changing the direction from my expierience looses torque. Great bot though!@@flyingcheese22608a
@flyingcheese22608a
@flyingcheese22608a 6 месяцев назад
Agree! Through the whole season, we could never build a solid chain lift, but we think we built pretty good linear lift, that's why we were trying to stick to it.
@madisoglrobotics
@madisoglrobotics 5 месяцев назад
@@flyingcheese22608atry using linear slides. Linear slides with your chain maker the chain extremely good.
@Vexguy1
@Vexguy1 Месяц назад
@@flyingcheese22608awe are the exact opposite I couldn’t build a Leinear motion lift but I can build a chain lift 😂
@ayeeitskenny6418
@ayeeitskenny6418 6 месяцев назад
don't bully me in state pls! my robot so bad! my teacher not let me go to nw comp! You guys are like so geniuses!!!!!! Also, good luck I will see you at states!!!
@flyingcheese22608a
@flyingcheese22608a 6 месяцев назад
✋high five!
@thecappedpin
@thecappedpin 6 месяцев назад
wdym about the speed drop
@madisoglrobotics
@madisoglrobotics 6 месяцев назад
Intake is going slower in supply. I presume from scraping of the PTO onto the bar cause we had that problem.
@apollo4582
@apollo4582 6 месяцев назад
Ohhhh
@madisoglrobotics
@madisoglrobotics 6 месяцев назад
@@apollo4582 if you have a 2x beam for supply and place a 24 tooth gear on the center whole it scrapes
@apollo4582
@apollo4582 6 месяцев назад
@@madisoglrobotics we have a no phase so it leans up just a tiny bit so ours don't catch even if it's in the center
@unrealandunlike615
@unrealandunlike615 6 месяцев назад
Im just wondering, what rubber bands do you use for your back wall, and how wide is the wall?
@flyingcheese22608a
@flyingcheese22608a 6 месяцев назад
We saw a high-score team using 10 inches wide backwall, scary, right? We can only accommodate 8 inches. The widers the better.
@unrealandunlike615
@unrealandunlike615 6 месяцев назад
@@flyingcheese22608a thanks for the isight, i still can only run like a 7 1/2 inch wall. Anyways, I think your idea of a 4 motor drivetrain is really unique, and is a new approach to using pto.
@niyin4593
@niyin4593 6 месяцев назад
why can't you just replace ur new robot's intake w/ ur old one
@madisoglrobotics
@madisoglrobotics 6 месяцев назад
they use PTO
@niyin4593
@niyin4593 6 месяцев назад
@@madisoglroboticsyeah but the front intakes are still the same.
@madisoglrobotics
@madisoglrobotics 6 месяцев назад
@@niyin4593 ik the PTO is prob scraping on the bar
@flyingcheese22608a
@flyingcheese22608a 6 месяцев назад
You always want to have a working robot, we don’t take things out of old one, always make sure drivers have a reliable robot to practice.
@anonymou-mj4jc
@anonymou-mj4jc 6 месяцев назад
I think it may be your pto mechanism. Maybe it is slipping just like in your previous videos.
@flyingcheese22608a
@flyingcheese22608a 6 месяцев назад
This time the gears are holding tight, as shown in the video, we are able to lift big load.
@anonymou-mj4jc
@anonymou-mj4jc 6 месяцев назад
@@flyingcheese22608a hmm ok, is it slipping for the intake at all. Also the 5% reduction in speed is making a difference, and it can't handle multiple cubes very well
@AleMelara
@AleMelara 6 месяцев назад
Bro y’all sold at states
@flyingcheese22608a
@flyingcheese22608a 6 месяцев назад
We had great day at least.
@Drslime09
@Drslime09 6 месяцев назад
Need more torque…
@redflagzrobotics
@redflagzrobotics 6 месяцев назад
w flying cheese
@redflagzrobotics
@redflagzrobotics 6 месяцев назад
for the intake we replaced our rubberbands with 117B and it helped us with supply
@flyingcheese22608a
@flyingcheese22608a 6 месяцев назад
@@redflagzrobotics Yes! We are using the same thing.
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