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Roger takes a look at a problem Carl Fielding has with a leaking chimney.
Here is Carl's message:
I am having issues with my chimney leaking in the attic.
I have had multiple roofers come and look and even had a re-roof done. I was told the issue was gone and even got the attic re-plastered, but the issue is still there. I have had many roofers say different things, from a "Porous" chimney to bad fitting of lead work.
After the many pounds spent and the many useless roofers I have had, I want to try and fix the issue myself. I would classify myself as a good DIYer as I have fitted kitchens, bathrooms, stud walls, fences etc.
I have got to the point where I am watching youtube videos on actually removing the chimney lol.
It would be amazing if you guys could do some videos on repairing an old chimney or lead flashing etc or even common roofing issues as well. Please have a look and see what you think?
Kindest regards, Carl.
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@brownnoise357
@brownnoise357 Год назад
Sorry but to me that looks to be extremely poor leadwork. Too many people don't even know about Soakers or the need for substantial overlaps to keep wind driven rain pushing water up over Soakers if they are fitted, and around Corners, the only way imho to ensure that it is a good job, is to take it apart and start again from scratch. If ot is done properly, Roofers Tippex (Low Mod Neutral Cure Silicone) or Mastic are not needed. tbh, we need to start up proper Apprenticeships again, withbsome decent Roofing Courses at Colleges again. Our Apprentice was on the last Roofing and Slating College Course in Wales, believe it or not, and did an Exhibition Roof Competition at the NEC. He was the inly one who finished off the last course of Slates at the Ridge Properly and securely. The Construction industry is in a bloody bad state all around sadly, and not just in Britain and Europe, it's a Global Problem. Best Wishes. Bob. 😔
@brownnoise357
@brownnoise357 Год назад
PS. The Pointing between Courses is rubbish as well tbh. 😒
@aljay2526
@aljay2526 Год назад
I was on the last city guilds roofing course in sussex in 1990 and that was the year it closed. we have the blind leading the blind in roofing now and its unbelievably bad workmanship.
@Th3_Gael
@Th3_Gael Год назад
Colleges are a waste of time, unless you want them to learn more about not hurting people's fee fees and the religion of rainbows
@aljay2526
@aljay2526 Год назад
@@Th3_Gael Not Really a waste of time, You get to know the right way to fabricate and install roofs & practice cement work. How kids apply that knowledge in a career is up to the individual roofer. For me that was invaluable and set me ahead of my competitors as I became self employed. I was taught by college a 60 year old roofer who knew almost everything about pitched roofs, also being taught to lead weld was an invaluable skill that combined to make me a lot of money in 30 years in the trade.
@brownnoise357
@brownnoise357 Год назад
@@Th3_Gael The Courses at Universities and Colleges are absolute Crap Today, I went back to get Qualifications for Computer Work I was already doing, and nobody on the IT Course I was in, other then two others like myself already working in the IT Field, got a Job in IT with the Qualification they were given, the Course was so bad. Same Cheap Off the Shelf Course is used right across the EU, and Students in Hamburg University (I was a Software Tester with some of them, and we compared Courses, and found they were the same) were so disgusted they went on strike over it. The RealmPurpose of those Courses was the use of Course Projects to Farm good Marketable ideas from the Students which Companies were making large donations to Universities and Colleges to have access to. No Creditnor Payments made to Students for the Theft of their intellectual property, of course. Just a huge Debt millstone left round their Necks for the "Privilege" of attending just to be Criminally Exploited. I ended up Walking out, and just buying the Microsoft Networking Manuals and the Software I needed, that came with them (not cheap, but they gave me what the Course I had signed for had totally failed to deliver. Frankly, everyone should be Homeschooling their Children, and using pre WW1 Syllabus Content Textbooks. Education went off the Rails after WW1, and the Catastrophic Crash happenedvafter WW2, which accelerated into Loony Tunes from the 1960's. 😡
@gypsygem9395
@gypsygem9395 Год назад
So refreshing to hear a builder advocating lime mortar these days! Thank you for the video, Roger
@doobersigaming9312
@doobersigaming9312 Год назад
Roger - literally watching as I’ve a 1930s property bit of a leak down the inside of ours and thought “Stormdry” brilliant stuff would recommend to anyone but didn’t think it would be suffice on a Chimney! Your a legend fella 👍
@jamesmartin2325
@jamesmartin2325 Год назад
Another great video Roger, you could (and should) make a full series on common chimney problems. I’ve lived in properties where chimneys have been taken out badly creating structural issues, others that have leaked and been damped like this one. And I’ve found that some roofers don’t want to get involved and some builders just pass it off to roofers.
@theskilledgardener318
@theskilledgardener318 Год назад
Hi Roger, Looks to me like the soakers are Not over lapping so instead of discharging the water downwards its going straight down into roof space. That indicates whoever did it doesn't understand the principle of flashings and there could be other mistakes with it out of immediate view. Met a few roofers who didn't understand about soakers.
@gypsygem9395
@gypsygem9395 Год назад
Agreed. Even as a lay woman I could see that.
@franknash6602
@franknash6602 Год назад
Really useful video. I have been working my way through the same issue and had decided to use Stormdry next summer. Stupidly I have closed off the chimney to stop the draught in my lounge. So will also open up the chimney (hadn't thought of that before seeing this video).
@TonyFisherPuzzles
@TonyFisherPuzzles Год назад
You mentioned a drone for getting photos. I used some plastic pipe I had laying around taped together with a camera strapped on the end. The flexiness meant it kind of hung over the ridge and pointed directly down at the gutter. A bit of trial and error but worked well.
@truxton1000
@truxton1000 Год назад
I did up a house built in 1850’s and had this exact problem. Had a roofer up two times but was still leaking. After some thinking I came to the conclusion that the whole chimney was like a giant sponge. So spent £1500 to get the chimney replaced. Problem solved.
@brianlopez8855
@brianlopez8855 Год назад
In old stone houses from the 1880's and 1900s in North Wales the stone chimney stacks are like so many "sponge fingers" soaking up the heavy rain. Loads of work for roofers ! Generally they have to be rendered in two coats of sand cement and waterproofer in the mix. Sorted.
@unibks4382
@unibks4382 Год назад
Would it problematic to use engineering bricks for a chimney?
@truxton1000
@truxton1000 Год назад
@@unibks4382 Would not think so? They are stronger and more water proof, but looks a bit less attractive.
@brianlopez8855
@brianlopez8855 Год назад
@@unibks4382 fine but overkill
@bardmadsen6956
@bardmadsen6956 Год назад
That is what I was thinking, look, the stone is eroding past the mortar. Sure sign, they used the wrong type of stone. From the pictures, the flashing and other parts are very questionable. Never saw a show like this, reminds me of getting kicked off a HVAC forum decades ago for knowing the right fix, they wanted to keep their secrets alike IT people.
@jonb12321
@jonb12321 Год назад
It's definitely coursed stone, looks like West Yorkshire (where I am) or possibly East Lancs. That strap pointing was done all over in the 60s to 80s. The structural mortar is of course lime mortar.
@MrWindermere123
@MrWindermere123 Год назад
There's an option I used on two chimneys at my terraced house: render then with a drip strip at the bottom and finish with masonry paint to match the colour of the house walls. I also replaced the haunching around the chimney pot with a harder mortar with a steeper slope to shed rainwater and fitted a metal rain cap with mesh below. I love my woodburner but others can use the chimney to vent a gas boiler (or mount a TV aerial). Chimneys have many uses!
@mktrollop1093
@mktrollop1093 Год назад
I had a similar issue on my chimney, different story, concrete block. The render had been frost damaged over the years a d water was getting in, wicking down and coming out in a huge wet patch in the wall, the concrete cap had gone porus as well I think, I re plastered it and built up what was missing from the cap, no problems since, I think part of the problem was the fireplace for that chimney had been blocked off for years and wasn't vented. I was redoing the floor in that room so I just broke into the old fireplace from under the floor, blocked it off in the room, and now we've good ventilation up through the chimney from under the floor, I think that has a good part in keeping it dry too.
@stevenharrison9257
@stevenharrison9257 Год назад
A few years ago, I had a similar problem with a damp chimney in the attic of our c1912 home. The builder I got in to examine it could find no problem with the structure, render, flashings, etc. The only thing he could suggest was a chimney pot cap to stop rain dropping down the chimney but he couldn't find a cap that would securely fit the oddly shaped pot. I made a cap from 6mm stainless steel plate, which I secured with homemade hooked clamps down the chimney. I also incorporated a 25mm galvanised wire grille at the top, under the SS plate to stop birds nesting in the chimney. The result was a completely dry chimney (& one impressed builder). 😊
@robp9553
@robp9553 Год назад
I had a similar issue with the chimney being wet in the loft. The roof was 90 years old, so we replaced it and also had the chimney re-pointed. The issue continued, I applied stormdry to it and also fitted some chimney caps/cowls/tops. This was done in the spring and 2 years later I've not had the problem again and the chimney inside the loft has stayed dry.
@James1993..
@James1993.. Год назад
The biggest issue in general is most chimneys don’t get used anymore. I had a job had looked couple times tried multiple things could not get it resolved then 1 time I went back up the the tiniest little pin prick on a welded corner sealed that sure enough resolved it water gets in anywhere
@gdfggggg
@gdfggggg Год назад
The stone/brick looks very porous, so pointing with a sand/cement mortar is probably not a good idea. Looking at the stain on the ceiling, I would think the problem is probably to do with the rear gutter. A couple of images of the back gutter may have made things clearer. I had a job where the gutter was holding water as it was blocked with organic matter, and when the wind blew the water went over the lead flashing and into the building.
@ColinWatters
@ColinWatters Год назад
If the skirt at the front doesn't go up very high perhaps the one at the back doesn't either?
@clairebarker9797
@clairebarker9797 Год назад
Stone is porous and year's of acrid smoke damages the stone and makes it more so sadly
@zeus1637
@zeus1637 Год назад
I had exactly the same problem with our chimney, so much so I needed to catch dripping water inside the loft with buckets. I found a crack on the concrete plinth on the very top of the chimney so made a metal cover for that. Coated the whole chimney with Thomson’s water seal…..never leaked since. Interesting video, thank you for sharing.
@audid00dy
@audid00dy 2 месяца назад
In this case without ventilation at the top and bottom your chimney will sweat and rot from the inside 😞
@zeus1637
@zeus1637 2 месяца назад
@@audid00dy the chimney is in use so plenty of ventilation…..but you are right if the chimney had been sealed👍
@edmundhodgson2572
@edmundhodgson2572 Год назад
Hi Roger. Agreed about the pointing. Regarding the waterproofing (stormdry or other), on chimneys, its must important that the haunching and pot are absolutely weatherproof to prevent excessive moisture soaking down the brickwork and overwhelming the breathing capabilities of the paint on barrier as this can exacerbate the internal damp problem.
@JT-si6bl
@JT-si6bl Год назад
Water evaporates in the warmest climes? inside...
@simonbyrne3854
@simonbyrne3854 Год назад
100% the pointing is actually catching the rain, every joint has a mil to a cpl of mil catching rain, which will run down to the lowest warmest point….. inside the attic. Another thing I keep on seeing is bad flashing, first lay flashing goes under the roof slates or tiles, then second course flashing on top, which keeps the chimney bone dry at its base. Storm seal…. Class, 5L will honestly give a chimney great protection! Well worth it. But, if your not burning fires or have gas fires, then get rid of chimney! It’s just another thing to look after. All the best
@aidansheridan4579
@aidansheridan4579 4 месяца назад
Great advice, I’ve got a chimney with exact the same problem. I’ve checked the flashing and all possible issues for Water to get in. I’ve even added an extra event in the chimney to create more airflow. Mel has worked. The chimney is at the corner of the house so therefore there is no possibility for water to evaporate before going into the house inside the roof void. It looks like I’ll need to use storm dry to stop water getting into the brickwork in the first place. I have damp problem with two out of three chimneys all in sum on positions. The puzzler but I’m feeling that storm dry is the only option available, which I’ll do this summer. Thanks for the insight. Aidan
@richardharvey1732
@richardharvey1732 Год назад
Hi Roger, I clicked on this one because I had too many good years trying to solve this sort of problem I did fail a few times and did manage to get to the bottom of most of them, the first thing I notice is that all that new plaster inside was holding all the water used in the mix, about three times as much water as dust!, all that water was just sitting there and as always takes along time to evaporate and even then if it cannot escape will condense on any cold surface. The next thing I was looking for was where was the damp inside?, if it is on the underside of the ceiling and how much is on the wall, the damp that I have seen on walls has never come through the roof, I am not saying that this cannot happen, just that I have never seen it. There was one chimney where I opened up the roof and found no visible issues yet there was some damp on the ceiling. Here you have roughly equal amounts of damp on the ceiling and the top of the wall!. You do not say if the new ceiling was fitted with a vapour barrier and insulation but even if it was it would have been very difficult to seal it at the chimney. The result of all that isn that I would have to open up all the roof from the front all the way up the side and across the back gutter seeking any water tracks, even then absence of evidence is not evidence of absence so re-instatement would involve a new back gutter properly fitted soakers and step flashing and front apron. There would be no guarantee that this would solve the problem!, the two other issues remain unresolved. the second of which is that the chimney itself if unused and capped can trap wet air which will be absorbed by the old soot, that has property known as hydrophilia!, it will soak up moisture if any is available, this moisture will then cool the brickwork when it evaporates the heat then comes through from the inside, the temperature inside can then drop to below the dewpoint of the air in the attic!. There were many occasions in the past when the eyes of the builder that I was trying to explain all this to simply glazed over!, in fact even now I do not actually know for certain that this ever actually happens, just that it is consistent with the laws of physics and chemistry!. I write this and post it to you in the fond hope that you do have the wit to understand it!. Cheers, Richard.
@dworkin7110
@dworkin7110 Год назад
I currently have a problem like this and after inspecting the chimney with a drone (finding that it SEEMs to be OK) suspected that the damp is at a cold point and moisture is condensing there. I stuck a dehumidifier in the room and things have improved. However it hasn't rained much since I did this so it is 50/50 for now. Proof will come in the summer with some heavy rain. If I get damp then I'll start thinking it is the chimney leaking after all!
@richardharvey1732
@richardharvey1732 Год назад
@@dworkin7110 Hi Dworkin, thank you for your interesting reply, as I tried to explain in my post there is not a great deal you can learn from external observation, really only which bits to open up and investigate. The strategy you outline does make sense, always the more time you can allow for observation the more information you will get and the more information you have the more likely you are to avoid silly errors. There is one thing that might still confound you, that it might well dry out when it stops raining because there is less water lying around cooling things down and the relative humidity is lower too, so when it does rain it is possible for the new wetness to create a cold spot where the damp will appear, the trick then would be to either ventilate the space very effectively or apply the de-humidifier before the rain starts and continue throughout, then if the air inside as really warm and dry but it still shows damp that would indicate a real leak. Much of this confusion about cause and effect is down to the fact that all air carried huge amounts of water as vapour, it is of course dry to the touch band invisible so we tend to ignore it!. Writing this has suddenly made me realise that I should try to find out just how much water a cubic metre of air can hols and how that varies with temperature. I will have to go over to Google and see what I can find, there of course what I find depends on how I ask what questions!. So been therE done that and as far as I could fathom it looks as if a the air in a room of about thirty cubic metres could hold as much as a pint of water!. This is a bit less than I expected but actually if you pout a pint of water on the floor there will be quite a big puddle!. Cheers, Richard.
@sergiofernandez3725
@sergiofernandez3725 Год назад
Use some stormdry or other brand on the chimney stack walls. Make sure the top of the stack is waterproofed with some slate on a slope or some domed profile. Then fit a Rain Cowl with Mesh or Aspirotor spinning Cowl. The spinning cowl is better because it helps the natural updraft of the chimney drying from inside to out. Point to note. Check the chimney for an opening or air vent down stairs.
@bordersw1239
@bordersw1239 Год назад
I like the chimneys in Brittany, France, they tile them, seems to keep out the similar weather we have in the U.K.
@henryparrott2447
@henryparrott2447 Год назад
Great show old man may God richly bless you thanks 😊
@richclips
@richclips Год назад
I could really do with your expertise, I have a problem with my chimney, I have had several people try to fix it, but every winter, sure enough we get some damp on the ceiling, flaking paint on the ceiling, salts coming out of the plasterboard and wall.... definitely want it sorted out, Croydon based here. The chimney is part of an extension that was built in 1996 and has apparently never been right!
@andrewwiltshire8796
@andrewwiltshire8796 Год назад
🧐🧐great video mate i had similar job two years ago ..after replacing all lead work and felt batten etc correctly it was still coming back on bad heavy rain showers. on second attempt i did all repointing and could see The problem ..on removing the old cement it was getting behind and most bricks were saturated finally had solved the problem
@alanjewell9550
@alanjewell9550 Год назад
I got fooled by a damp chimney breast. I went up & repaired the chimney rendering, checked all the flashings, ventilation cap etc. And what it turned out to be was hydroscopic salts from 90 years of fires had saturated the fabric of the chimney. So in damp weather, it attracted moisture just as leaving a bowl of table salt out does. I largely resolved it simply by painting the chimney breast with Stainblock & ensuring good ventilation through the unused chimney to keep it as dry as possible.
@SBIGDTSM
@SBIGDTSM Год назад
Roger, before even watching all your video, I was 99% certain it was driving rain getting through, I know because I’m a builder and have seen this a few times and even on my own bungalow. I live at a 1000ft in rural Wales, we moved 3 years ago and was getting water on our lounge ceiling, stack was soaking in the loft, I redone the lead, repointed, re flaunched it, still getting water, gave it two coats of Thompson’s water seal (not as good as storm dry I know) and it’s been fine since, I do it every summer now. Since then I’ve done it on other properties with the same results, you cannot underestimate how much driving rain will penetrate brickwork, they even call for minimum 120mm cavities here because of it.
@user-if6gt4sc7m
@user-if6gt4sc7m 3 месяца назад
Hi interested to know did you repoint in lime or just cement?
@SBIGDTSM
@SBIGDTSM 3 месяца назад
@@user-if6gt4sc7m just sand and cement. The biggest improvement was the damp treatment, Thompson’s water seal or storm guard
@user-if6gt4sc7m
@user-if6gt4sc7m 3 месяца назад
@@SBIGDTSM thanks. Will be asking to roofer to do this on my chimney. It's 1.5m high and lots of water penetrating through. Perhaps 3 coats of stormdry will do the trick.
@alanyoung7532
@alanyoung7532 Год назад
I have only just remembered that I came across a similar problem to this many years ago in a loft room. It turned out to be condensation running down the felt (due to lack of roof void ventilation) and accumulating at the back of the chimney. Condensation could also take place near the top of the chimney breast itself as this will be relatively cold in the winter. Therefore, if the problem is absent in August its probably at least part condensation. If the chimney is used you would also get condensation on the inside as the warm rising air meets the cold building fabric close to the exterior. The other consideration is hygroscopic damps - the products of combustion produce many contaminants, some of which are hygroscopic and these salts may leach into the brickwork where they will absorb damp from the room - which may be humid. I noticed when last in France that they sometimes clad external chimneys with zinc to provide a rain screen as it is virtually impossible to otherwise prevent damp to a chimney breast which is only inches below a saturated stack.
@paulharrison9570
@paulharrison9570 Год назад
Iv got the same problem and have been thinking of using stormdry on my chimneys after good results on a damp wall
@lensleonards2278
@lensleonards2278 Год назад
As you have already hinted at it would appear the damp is trapped within the internal finishes - easy to say but it is advisable to open up internally , inspect and allow to dry out.
@markmcgrath4853
@markmcgrath4853 Год назад
good video roger !! looks like its leaking at the back of chimney as the water marks on the ceiling is a telltail sign and can definately leak by the silicon holes by the flashings !
@andyeveritt9003
@andyeveritt9003 Год назад
by the stains on the plaster first place i would look is the back tray same as you mark and just check the soakers and pointing cant under stand how 4 roofers and so many comments cant see this as water runs down wards think by looks of the pointing just bad roofers
@Chanesmyname
@Chanesmyname Год назад
The rear of my house faces the weather - wind driven rain - and I gave it a coat of storm dry and I swear it even made the rear rooms warmer as well as waterproofing the wall, all for a couple of tubs of it!
@robertemmett906
@robertemmett906 Год назад
Water will allow temperature transfer. Dry material won't half as much. Dry the wall and you're keeping the heat in!
@mikeadamson6696
@mikeadamson6696 Год назад
Hi Roger . One of the potential problems for owners of older properties like me where sand lime mortar jointing dried out excessively due to last years drought . Unfortunately this led to wicking effect . So with the joints getting soaked by rainwater the internal walls can not dry out fast enough during the winter months . We therefore have to wait for the summer months to dry out the rooms .
@davidgoodenough2931
@davidgoodenough2931 Год назад
Great video Roger, I'm with you all the way on the ribbon pointing. Not only can it lead to water ingress, it leaves the masonry vulnerable to frost damage. Another issue to bear in mind with chimneys is that leaks can wash hygroscopic salts (from soot) into the plaster. The salts then absorb moisture from the air keeping the plaster permanently damp even if the original leak is fixed.
@michaelbanfield7987
@michaelbanfield7987 Год назад
Very pleased to see you now recognise cement mortar traps in damp whereas lime will help damp escape.....
@mattlawton4715
@mattlawton4715 Год назад
I have been saying this for years.
@ianpuddick
@ianpuddick Год назад
1min 30 seconds in ….,thermal image the chimney breast & take photos Then garden hose out of the loft window & saturate the c/Breast ….thermal again Depending on outside temperature & fabric temp ….you should see something V difficult (but we have done it) connect G/hose to hot water from combi & spray area with hot water You then have the cooler brick work + hot water / now you have a larger temp differential….easy to find weak spot or spots
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder Год назад
Wow that is very clever but I have a feeling it will get me into hot water.
@utubeape
@utubeape Год назад
I remember you on the Richie Allen show!
@mhoward181
@mhoward181 Год назад
Iv had a roof issue at one of my BTLs for 7 years. Countless roofers couldn’t fix it. In the end I removed the chimney. Think theres still water getting into walls a bit but not as bad. Some projects make no sence.
@johnf3326
@johnf3326 Год назад
I'd absolutely agree with the Stormdry treatment. Also what about the haunching and pots? Is the haunching cracked and crumbly? Are the pots still used and if not have they been capped against rain ingress (with ventilation of course!)
@CAsCurryKitchen
@CAsCurryKitchen Год назад
I get why you'd cap the pots but what is the ventilation for and how is it installed?
@simonworsnop900
@simonworsnop900 Год назад
chimney being damp normally would show on the plaster on chimney breast in bedroom below ... looks like its coming either through a cracked or missing slate above chimney or more likely poor / damaged flashings around chimney. Far too strong a mix used on the stone work ..would of been better to use a lime mortar. There's premixed lime mortars available with lots of colours available now that helps make it a fairly simple process. Just read what Richard Harvey wrote and agree 100%. well done Richard for a well written explanation 👏
@lowrangedifflockers2209
@lowrangedifflockers2209 Год назад
Interesting, i dealt with a stack with saturated bricks, even in the middle of summer with flashing that was fine etc. stack had been used to burn coal only all its life, my conclusion was that soot attracted moisture and kept the bricks wet all that time. In the end the stack was removed and the lower brick was coved with a independent stud wall with plaster board.
@rogerbradbury9713
@rogerbradbury9713 Год назад
At 2:18 to 2:40, I can see that the chimney is leaning to the left; while pretty much square to the roof it isn't vertical. I don't know if that's a cause of the dampness, an effect, or just a red herring, but it doesn't seem right.
@TheGravy72
@TheGravy72 Год назад
The thing with chimneys is that they are meant to be used. They are designed to have a good fire blazing away, and the hot fumes would dry out the brickwork. If this is not the case, then the chimney should be capped preferably with a lead sheet on a timber former. I agree with sealing the brickwork also. Both methods used together, will prevent water ingress past the lead flashing, as you covered with the dpc comment. The front lead apron would benefit from a bigger upstand, in line with the stepped flashing to the sides. Also, to me it looks like the plaster has been applied to the chimney directly, whereas it would have been better if it were battened out and plasterboarded.
@dennisphoenix1
@dennisphoenix1 Год назад
The lead flashing on the side don't overlap each other for my liking . As said a water seal would help if nothing else is done , simple DIY job too
@anthonydickinson2153
@anthonydickinson2153 Год назад
I often find a chimney rebuild with a lead tray. these old stacks were often built without them and were ok while as the damp had a metre or so to dry out in the attic.. the problem cmae when the attic was converted into a room and not allowing the damp from the outside to dry out.
@ukgardener973
@ukgardener973 Год назад
I used Integral Waterproofer on a 1 to 20 mix in water with my sand, cement and lime. Also a bit of SBR and Rendamix for this external render
@lksf9820
@lksf9820 Год назад
In the future you need to give out the area of where these houses are because not only might there be someone there who could fix it, but also local knowledge (of weather and materials) is very useful. It would also be good to know where the most winds are coming from in relation to the leaks. It looks to me like a North Eastern Lancashire house, possibly Colne or Burnley, somewhere round there. WDR and porous stone is a big problem in that area and the fact the house next door has been painted says something. I would agree with Stormdry, but need to warn you of something. If it's done with that and then needs repointing, the pointing won't stick! That is if it's managed to soak into the joints, maybe all that horrible strap pointing will stop it. The other thing to note is that some of the houses out that way (Pennines) get so much WDR that it even gets through Siloxane, wets the wall and still runs in.
@gypsygem9395
@gypsygem9395 Год назад
I have a house near Accrington which was painted when I bought it almost 20 years ago, and quite damp Had the front wall (of stone) sandblasted a few years ago and the wall has dried out and remained dry since. Painting or rendering don't always do buildings any favours
@purplemonkeydishwasher5269
@purplemonkeydishwasher5269 Год назад
I have a very similar problem. It seems like the brick is soaked and went black with damp. Flashing all looks sound. Had a guy come and look at it and sand blasted the brickwork and repoint. Now its exactly the same state. I figured getting a pro in was the best thing to do as they'd sort it quickly rather than me take time off work I'll be going up to clear it up myself now.
@MrDimensionalStone
@MrDimensionalStone Год назад
This house is made from Yorkshire sandstone delph walling, the house next door has been sandblasted. The pointing is way to strong for the stonework, eventually this strength of mortar will destroy the stonework with freeze/thaw, you can’t see all of the chimney, he needs to get up to the roof to have a proper look.
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder Год назад
Thank you for that, I thought it was stone but changed my mind. Sandstone makes sense and you are right the pointing is going to do a lot of damage
@MrDimensionalStone
@MrDimensionalStone Год назад
@@SkillBuilder keep up the great videos Roger!
@LUKECALLUM
@LUKECALLUM Год назад
I'm a builder and looking at the stain the back gutter looks like the problem. If the apron flashing upstand is anything to go by I hope your back gutter has a better upstand.
@mellowplace
@mellowplace Год назад
Just thinking about that pointing, might not apply here but I know with Victorian London properties a lot were flushpointed, so the water just runs down the face. That pointing there looks proud, will it pool water and the porous sandstone will absorb it? Try flushpointing in NHL 5?
@lksf9820
@lksf9820 Год назад
It could be in Lancs and the house next door is painted. All the houses in Yorks and Lancs are pointed with OPC, but to be fair, most of the time it doesn't damage the house at all, it's very rare it does.
@gladiator22666
@gladiator22666 Год назад
I lived in a house for 25 years ...had the same problem . Had all the local roofers take a look and spent thousands. Had it repointed ....new flashing and water seal . It was still leaking when I moved house !
@Clip7heApex
@Clip7heApex Год назад
My chimney was leaking when it rained due to the bricks being very porous so I tried a version of siloxane yogurt stuff which worked a treat. The bricks in the loft were soaked previously but are bone dry now.
@ezzyboo3757
@ezzyboo3757 Год назад
Check,back gutter for leaks,rake out and repoint chimney with weather struck joints,make sure top and corbel course are correctly flaunched,cap and vent any unused flues and maybe hack off internal gypsum plaster and use lime instead? Hope that helps?
@_H_2023
@_H_2023 Год назад
I've also noticed the gaps in the fibre cement slates, depends on where he lives & which way his house is pointing he could have water being pushed up under those slates. basically like a capillary action. If he finds that most of the time the wind blows over this side of the roof then there's your problem.
@ironimp1
@ironimp1 Год назад
Normally I would be critical of siloxane treatments as I am not convinced they are a good idea, however I have used them in a very localised manner and found they can work where all else fails. My advice is don't go to the siloxane as a first port of call as repointing in lime should work, but as you say it might need a bit more help? A point worth making is that traditionally chimneys were always in use and this kept them dry, but today they are rarely used and just get wetter.
@Mao.Loves.Zedong
@Mao.Loves.Zedong Год назад
Could need a lead tray in the chimney and repointing in lime also vents in the chimney would help
@vincenttarling5902
@vincenttarling5902 Год назад
I think the pointing could be on top of the old pointing and not deep enough, also is the flaunching on top of the chimney in good condition as this can let water down through the brickwork, is the chimney being used ? if not it must be vented and a good covering of a water repellent will help with cowls on the top of the pots as well
@devincarter7434
@devincarter7434 Год назад
Might try this storm dry on my chimney. I'm not going up on a roof though, I'm going to use a paintbrush with a really long handle
@boyo57
@boyo57 Год назад
I agree with you, the chimney has had various efforts but attention to detail is the key, the pointing is hard sand/cement (I would use lime mortar) and lead mate in the flashings is good as it dosnt crack with the movement of the lead during temperature change but I would like to see it fill all the joint (look a bit inconsistant/ gappy) as theres no damp course in this I would plumb for sealing it with storm guard or similar and make sure the flaunching is sound on the top with no cracks and fit a vented cap if not in use. You have to remember these bricks have seen it all in terms of "weather battering" and are likley to be very weathered. Chimney is only single skin with a draught going through it (if its an open fire place) so vent it and seal it I aggree. You shouldnt have any more issues. 👍
@rstcab
@rstcab Год назад
New lead work is needed, new front apron side flashing and back tray are needed
@DavidJones-or8ek
@DavidJones-or8ek Год назад
Hi Roger, Are the chimneys still open and allowing rainfall to enter? Are the fireplaces closed up? You know the rest. Love the channel
@PC-oi4kj
@PC-oi4kj Год назад
Is there a lead tray within the chimney? Stepped lead flashings are designed to protect the junction of the brickwork to the adjoining tiles. They do not stop wet bricks allowing water to pass down into the roof void, this is the job of the tray.
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder Год назад
It is very unusual to find a lead tray in an old stack on that kind of housing
@clivefox5072
@clivefox5072 Год назад
This is completely correct, take down chimney and fit new tray, you can seal bricks and replace all flashing, but it will still leak in the long run. If chimney is not being used as open fire, it will never dry out correctly during winter months, brick become porous, so time for lead tray.
@peterthebricky
@peterthebricky Год назад
@@clivefox5072 If it's not being used no point going to the extra cost of a rebuild
@villaman2261
@villaman2261 Год назад
@@peterthebricky only for looks
@clivefox5072
@clivefox5072 Год назад
Hi, in the long run, you are very unlikely going to keep it dry, repointing, changing lead, and storm dry will only give it limited life. They look like a London brick, bedded on lime, very porous brick if chimney is not being dried out regular by heat source,like open fire. also, the sand and cement pointing makes it worse. You can always tell if it's time for a rebuild by inside stain on the breast. They show water is being drawn down through the whole stack, not through flashings. In the long run, it will be cheaper to take down and rebuild. Good luck
@stuartweatherburn8809
@stuartweatherburn8809 Год назад
I’d say there’s an issue in the leadwork behind the chimney, water is pooling on the plasterboard at the back of the chimney and then running down the side of the chimney, the watermarks tell the story. If the chimney was allowing water to permeate through there would be a more even spread of a visible damp patch and watermarks whereas in this occasion it is concentrated at the back of the chimney and then finding it’s way down the ceiling alongside the chimney.
@dennisphoenix1
@dennisphoenix1 Год назад
My sisters house has a small window on the gable end for the landing , it has a brick arch outside and a wooden lintel inside. When it's been raining for a few days it leaks inside because there is no cavity tray to divert the water that has soaked through the bricks back out so it drips inside. It needs a new lintel and cavity tray but she doesn't want to pay for it .
@hoobsgroove
@hoobsgroove Год назад
I wonder if the chimneys blocked off with no air vent You can get condensation building up inside the chimney stack what do you think? Open it up and get some airflow
@johnriggs4929
@johnriggs4929 Год назад
Sorry Roger - not bricks... Yorkshire stone. I had the same problem with my back gutter. Replaced it, but still got water seeping in when the wind drives the rain against it. My chimney is brick. Eventually I gave the whole chimney a coat of that silicone cream. That solved it.
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder Год назад
I said I wasn't sure so thanks for the information.
@edwardcookson4085
@edwardcookson4085 Год назад
It's sandstone. Local sedimentary stone.
@johnriggs4929
@johnriggs4929 Год назад
@@SkillBuilder No problem, I wasn't having a go - just giving the info. This type of stone often delaminates to a degree. If you look carefully at it, it is made up of thin layers of sediment (as Edward has pointed out.) What can happen over the decades is that water gets in between the layers, expands as it freezes, opening up the gap between the layers of sediment very slightly. Once that has occured, water will subsequently be drawn in by capilliary action; it doesn't 'soak' through - it's actually pumping it through. I've seen a case where patio doors had been put in a wall in an old Yorkshire cottage, without a tray. Water poured in above the door, when rain drove against it. Our boss told us to give the wall a coat of DPC silicon (long before this paste came out.) We scoffed at the suggestion, but the boss is the boss 😉. It cured it permanently. completely, so
@gurglejug627
@gurglejug627 Год назад
Quite a few things could be happening there, hard to say from brief pics, but maybe even water flowing along the ridge under the tiles from a neighbouring roof? I think I'd try a process of elimination starting by tying a tarpaulin tight around the chimney to see if the water is really coming from there? Though repeat visits will get expensive for the builder, I suspect, as people like an instant correct answer.
@jamiecartwright5093
@jamiecartwright5093 Год назад
There are no caps on 5hose crown type chimneys! The water pours in , hits an internal shelf and there it is , but there's sometimes multiple issues
@grahamstephenson9393
@grahamstephenson9393 Год назад
The chimney on the right hand side is also pointed in the same way, Probably a pin hole, or tiny crack in the lead at rear of the stack dripping on to the timber support board beneath. Lead goes thin when beaten to stretch around a right angle ,plus age and degradation. Staining on the ceiling is mainly to rear and tracking down part way.
@alfasdelpi
@alfasdelpi 4 месяца назад
We have had chimney scaffold up for two years. Had the pots capped, pointing repaired, stormdry applied. Still a slight damp issue. All the lead looks good. My neighbour and myself are wondering if the lead valleys have become porous. The house is 80 years old. However, it's an ex council property and the council replaced all the roofs in the 70's and sprayed foam insulation into the cavities. Next step is to check all the copper pipes in the loft. Work has been done and we know that in the 70's cheap impure copper was the only tube available and it was contaminated with particles of iron. The iron rusts and small pinholes appear. It's been a nightmare.
@alanyoung7532
@alanyoung7532 Год назад
Sounds like very sensible advice to me as all external finishes should allow evaporative drying as you rightly point out. Also he should indeed follow your advice an have the back-gutter checked. If the flues are disused I might also suggest fitting pepper pots to these to prevent rain going down the pots. Rain-hoods would be an alternative if they are in use. That pointing is wrong practically and visually as you say!
@paulnolan1352
@paulnolan1352 Год назад
Cheers Roger, the bricks look like kiln hand casted with the oxygen holes on the faces. These are hard but porous over time. Rebuild with new lead I’m afraid.
@lksf9820
@lksf9820 Год назад
It's stone.
@eduardocarvalho1547
@eduardocarvalho1547 Год назад
The culprit is that pointing job! Someone used a strong mix of cement mortar and cement will retain water for a very long time. Also as @MrDimensionalStone said the pointing is way to strong for the stonework, so it will crack over time and water seeps in. He probably has the same problem in outer walls but insulation prevents from going to inner walls. He should also check the top (flat part) of the chimney. I live in Portugal and for many years people used to restore old houses with granite walls repointing with cement mortar. This led to problems with water ingress and cracking. These days we use lime mortars compatible with the stone.
@Jeremy64444
@Jeremy64444 Год назад
Easiest thing would be to take down the damp plaster area and expose the chimney from the inside. Dry the timber and wait for the next rain fall, find the exact spot where the water is coming in.
@alexp1054
@alexp1054 Год назад
Surely water can track all over the place making it hard to know the exact entry point or give red herrings?
@Jeremy64444
@Jeremy64444 Год назад
@@alexp1054well there is gravity, which means everything flows downwards. Far easier to remove interior plasterboard , than put someone on the roof. You might even get lucky. On a sunny day, there might be a chnk of light . Especially if you put a blanket on the window and close the door into darkness.
@0skar9193
@0skar9193 Год назад
@@Jeremy64444 you forget capillary action of water. Just because water appears in one location visible to the observer, it might be entering at a totally different location, sometimes lower than seen. But your idea is a good one because it will allow the moisture to dry once the area is uncovered.
@Jeremy64444
@Jeremy64444 Год назад
@@0skar9193 capillary action will leave a trail. Entering at one point, finishing at another. You still will have a track. Use a sunny day to check for sunlight. Use a day of high rainfall to check for the leak.
@robertemmett906
@robertemmett906 Год назад
@@Jeremy64444 Like it.
@mrv123weir
@mrv123weir Год назад
It’s definitely the chimney back gutter area. Also with those particular slates you need 2 eaves! ( one is to hold the copper rivet) ive done lots of Rivendale jobs. I’ve also seen many of them done wrong with regards to riveting. Where is the job? I’m bolton based but do lots of work Burnley way..
@clovermark39
@clovermark39 3 месяца назад
Got a leaky chimney possibly and it’s been given plenty of coatings of modern stuff. Hoping I can get a builder to use lime for rebuilding the chimney.
@Tonk1e
@Tonk1e Год назад
Worked on these for years. Its the soakers they aren't overlapping they aren't long enough. The flashing isn't overlapping enough too. Agree with the storm dry on these old stone houses they have been up 120 years sometimes every little helps. Should see lead poking out of every slate at the side of the chimney
@davidreynolds3654
@davidreynolds3654 Год назад
Lots of logical comments been made already, but the colour of the staining indicates mineral contamination which is probably very hygroscopic and possibly will never dry. I’m a damp surveyor and I see this hygroscopic damp problem a lot below old chimneys. I’ve seen perfectly good chimneys removed completely and tiled over, but the damp patch below still never dries. I think it could be part of the issue here.
@pbysome
@pbysome Год назад
It isn't just to strong a mix it isn't weather struck, the top of the pointing protrudes past the line of the masonry and it should "tuck" under it. Aside from that the flashings aren't great and if the chimney isn't used some damp could be internal.
@edga69
@edga69 Год назад
How should you protect poor pointing in the winter, especially so as to not lock in moisture?
@paulrichardson6
@paulrichardson6 Год назад
Could be water going down the chimney pots. A few builders misdiagnosed damp spots around my chimney.. Suggested I needed to scaffold the whole house and take them down. A new £30 cowl fixed it.
@joostvanheuckelom4496
@joostvanheuckelom4496 Год назад
Another suggestion: What if that area around the chimney is actually just too cold, allowing condense to form and soak into the gypsum. Like a cold glass in summer. I image that they improved their windows and insulation over the years. What might have started this situation where a house has less loss of heat but therefore less chance to get rid of humidity. In a way, the moisure might be coming from inside the house. Possible or ridiculous?
@slyteen2197
@slyteen2197 Год назад
My first thought was the rear gutter but feel this might be an issue at the ridge. Look how next doors ridge tiles look much more substantial.
@jacquiehall5339
@jacquiehall5339 Год назад
I have exactly the same problem! Six different roofers have not been able to fix it. I have a pet paddling pool in the loft catching the water. Am at my wits end after having so much done by different contractors and paid so much. Fed up. How can so many professionals not know what the problem is!
@baldyslapnut.
@baldyslapnut. Год назад
Tray in chimney, pots flaunched, pointing replaced with lime based mortar, professionally made full lead flashing etc. All need assessing. But firstly, check the junction of slates with the adjoining roof, around 0.32, I'd be very worried with the height differential and a full running joint. Water will go in all sorts of directions if heat/wind/absorbent materials are involved. Quickest 'solution' is probably start lighting fires in the hearth.
@paddyglenny
@paddyglenny Год назад
Roger didn't mention much the other reason that pointing is so bad in this situation- it holds the rainwater. It doesn't alow the water to flow off well so it kind of hangs about on the brickwork much longer than it should. The stack needs everything possible tipped in it's favour if it's not going to leak.
@csteele351
@csteele351 Год назад
I had a similar issue ... builder up and made a mess of my flashing which was as far as he could stretch basically, to no avail....popped an old camera on a fishing rod and filmed the very top from a safe ladder height, around the pots and found the crack across the cement cap...bought a scaffold tower and fixed it myself...solved. just need to start from the top, not just where you can get to...
@antsinpants1000
@antsinpants1000 Год назад
Possible water ingress around or through the chimney pot. Wind and rain will push water down any gaps. Possibly a cracked or broken or even missing chimney liner due to an chimney fire in the past or dodgy work
@tinytonymaloney7832
@tinytonymaloney7832 Год назад
Well I never knew about upper damp courses in chimney stacks. 👍
@martinclemmensen8071
@martinclemmensen8071 Год назад
When are we going to have a new series, like when we had James. We need a new extension ore a big renovation. Love the channel.
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder Год назад
We are trying, it is a question of resources but we have some projects coming through in a couple of months
@rogerthedodger5788
@rogerthedodger5788 Год назад
I live in a cottage built in 1820, water running down chimney in loft. The bricks were soaking water like a sponge. Stormdry solved the problem. Fantastic stuff. Goes on white and creamy but soaks in and then after a day or two you'd never know it was on.
@brownnoise357
@brownnoise357 Год назад
Just plain Laminating epoxy Resin works well, To arrive coat fibreglass boat hulls and Cast iron Keels 3 coats does the job at a fraction of the price of Barrier Coat from Chandlers. Silicon DPC Would work on Bricks and be even cheaper. would work on porous stonework as well. Just paint it on until it stops absorbing any more. It's used for putting a Damp proof course into Stone Walls by pumping it in up to ground level, 5 gallon Drums of it used to be a reasonable price. The problem with Bricks , clay tiles Ridge tiles and Finials is they aren't fired at a high enough temperature, so the service life of Facing Bricks for example, is they have a service life if only about 400 years before going porous, and a lot less if the manufacturer drops the Firing temperature to save a lot of money. There are manufacturers who do fire at the correct Temperature but for things like ridge tiles, they Warp, so users need to be aware that a bit more effort is needed to fit them so they look nice, worth it for the much better product though. If a customer bought a roof off me, in Natural Slate (which I specialised in ) I usually earned a nice profit on the Foreign Exchange Currency Purchase, to give them a nice discount on the overall Roof Package , and with assistance on getting things right, it was amazing what a good job DIY refurbished could turn out, and for a lot less money than getting a Cowboy Roofer to do it, all it took was instructions when they needed help, plus Brain engaged and Patience. That was probably the most job Satisfaction I've ever had, and years later, going past their Beautiful Roof, is a heck of a buzz still. Best Wishes. Bob. 👍
@andrewbeaumont5492
@andrewbeaumont5492 Год назад
Looks to me like Bradford / Halifax / Keighley area. I suspect the soakers and back gutter. As built these had a very narrow & sloping back gutter, so when you replace the slates you can't just bang in new lead, it needs new wood under to support it too. It looks to me like the rear gutter has just been 'bossed' that's to say formed by hammering it, rather than lead burning (welding) it. I suggest get a proper roofer to strip the slates then replace & / or inspect the soakers making sure they are fixed to the batons and are the correct height & width. The step flashing front corner requires replacement as does the pointing, as mentioned. Lastly the back gutter may need removal for full inspection as even pin holes can be enough to cause a problem. The back gutter upstand itself should be covered by a flashing pointed into the stone ( yes, it's stone) at least 4" above the flat part of the back gutter.
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder Год назад
You are spot on with all that and yes when I looked at that back gutter again it does look a bit rough. Bossing a back gutter is not wrong but it has to be done properly and not just with your boot. Also the fact that the roofs run downhill means the angle of creep is more.
@RicktheRecorder
@RicktheRecorder Год назад
Bossing, if done properly, is probably superior to lead burning, but the latter is an easier skill to learn to do right.
@0skar9193
@0skar9193 Год назад
@@RicktheRecorder Interesting, as a welder & panel beater in a previous career I would say welding lead is a tricky skill to get right... bossing for me would be the way to go but it needs to be done properly
@RicktheRecorder
@RicktheRecorder Год назад
@@0skar9193 Lead burning requires a knack, but once you have it you can make any shape with equal ease. Bossing requires different skills for each shape.
@0skar9193
@0skar9193 Год назад
@@RicktheRecorder the relevant process for the required need?
@trebor5799
@trebor5799 Год назад
i would check the haunching and fillet on the drip course. if the chimney is not use and the fire places are sealed install vents to each flue , also a top hat on each pot would not be out the way. it is important to have a air flow in the flue
@chasbunn4407
@chasbunn4407 Год назад
I would say a problem with the back flashing. Or wrong instalation of roof felt with water actually coming from further up the roof then depositing at the end of the felt run
@GregAdventure
@GregAdventure Год назад
It's worth looking at the ridge tiles close to the chimney
@igoraustin
@igoraustin Год назад
Seen same problem..the entire stack looks saturated due to the pointing actually channelling rain in and poor silicon job - it will refuse to dry without some help! Solution was to rake it right back, check soakers etc then put a temp breathable roof felt covering over it and make sure its venting well then let it dry out over summer. Once dry weather struck point with soft lime mix
@JACKATTACKED
@JACKATTACKED Год назад
Different ridge on from next door 0.38, tiles split (property join) down middle of chimney by the looks as well. Plenty things to look at 😂 and guess, not enough detail from the pics.
@jamesbrown7961
@jamesbrown7961 Год назад
Should have inspected the capping and the pot bedding ,the damp could well originate from the stack core which once saturated would exude moisture to the interior for some time.
@MPM4882
@MPM4882 Год назад
The pointing is the issue more than the type of sand and strength they have used. Pointing should sit just under the brick above it and chamfered to create run off. That pointing is trapping rain water at the top of the pointing due to it coming out further than the brick.
@mebymyself2816
@mebymyself2816 Год назад
Hi Roger, in a couple of other beating the damp video you used those chemical stick that leach a sealant into the bricks would those work here if the cement mortar is racked out the sand and lime used to replace with these stick set in to make a barrier deeper into the brick work?
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder Год назад
We arer going to do a job soon that has a problem with damp wicking down and we will try the Dryrods and a good coat of Stormdry. We are going to monitor it for the doubters.
@mebymyself2816
@mebymyself2816 Год назад
@@SkillBuilder Hi Roger, thanks for the answer, looking forward to the video.
@jonfenwick6200
@jonfenwick6200 Год назад
Is the cement round the pot cracked?
@newportshapwick
@newportshapwick Год назад
Just a thought, but if the chimney is blocked up, is there adequate venting top and bottom to allow any moisture another route out? Some of the staining looks as though some of the old salts and tar are leeching through the brickwork and along with water wicking it's way down is making the whole thing worse. The traditional cure for the staining was limewash with some cow sh*t mixed in with it!
@alantorrance6153
@alantorrance6153 Год назад
Look at pic on page 8:09. There you can see each bit of flashing is basically a narrow sheet of lead that barely extends to the left beyond the margin of the next section of flashing. This allows water to creep along in that overlap, then migrate further inwards to the brick. Those sections of flashing should have their entire face be shaped like a triangle with the top going into the mortar, then the next section coming down over it, not leaving unflashed small sections. There lies the source of the leakage problem - bad, incomplete flashing sections..
@Dormices
@Dormices Год назад
Totally agree. Also the general 'quality' of the flashing would make me suspicious the soakers were inadequate as well. I can't help but wonder if the perpetrator of the ribbon pointing was also responsible for the leadwork?
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