i dont think JB needed criticism. those "sexual" pictures were nude photography. its an actual thing, and its a form of art photography. the people in them, are models whom consented to be taken photos of. they arent sexual at all, but you seem to sexualize women's bodies.
@@nadiarivera3317 fr tho. They act like they didnt watch or search for vids where k-idol appeared half naked or showing their body tho. Like double standard or read smutty manhwa manhua or manga like please bches🙄
wanna ones situation was weird, given were not even sure if it was a member saying the handjob comment, but most of what was said really didnt warrant such harsh criticism. the cursing and “i pooped today” comments honestly made them feel more relateable and down to earth, and the complaints about management were fair. guanlin even called out a stalker who had been following them in their car when the company refused to
yall are angry at JB for having nude art but you read 18+ FF about rape and kidnapping or make half nude edits of idols and dont forget about those slow videos showing idols p area
Honestly being a k-pop idol is one of the scariest career you could take. One wrong small move, everything you work hard for will shutter within a short amount of time, and that's just one of the many reasons.
S**ualisation, Dieting, Should have non-stop updates and posts, Tiring choreography + Vocals have to be stable while doing so, Sasaengs. Honestly, i agree with u that being an idol is a REALLY scary and hard job to do, like they have to train for years and all they get is more hate, comparisons w/ other groups, like the PRESSURE-
@@d.reiqrui5996 They literally get 0 hate.Idols could murder someone on live stream,and their fans would say"So what we stand behind you!The person must have had it coming! .....the delusion,brainwashing, is deep and real.The only exception to the rule is female idols.. now they definitely get hate.
lmao people calling JayB names and trying get him cancelled when they have the audacity to sexualize tf out of him (sad fact: jayb is one of the most sexualized idols).
This is so disgustingly true I feel like he knows this and that's why he tries to draw a line cause imagine people talking about to you in front of you like that it's so fricking creepy
The sexualisation of idols is such a concerning problem and the fact that they are sexualised by fans even before they are adults sometimes since they debut young makes that even more disturbing,but I think these entertainment companies are partly to be blamed too
The people cancelling JB are the same people who write questionable fanfics, ship idols in a more-than-friendship way, and objectify male idols when they show just a tiny part of their abs. I’ve seen some female stans discuss how big they think male idols’ d sizes are ffs 🤦♀️
@@straysquirrel367 okay but I'm still stating my point, it is still weird having a coochie on your wall and people can call them out if they want too, not everyone writes fanfics
People calling JB pervert and disgusting acts as if they don't watch and save pictures 🙄 I'm not a fan of him but he's a grown up man so please Mind your own business
@@whyareyouexisting7285 But there is a difference between the searches and the nude art he had. It's art that is on Magazines, clothes and exhibitions + it's from a famous photographer.
I think one of the worst mistake in kpop is to call artists and singers "idols", I think the idea of idolizing a human being just like me and you is totally wrong.
But that's the point. Idols are not 'artists' in the sense that we understand it to be. Artists have a lot more freedom and creative control. Idols are specifically chosen and trained for the purpose of having a large fan base and generating money for an entertainment agency. That's why Idols are on a dating ban, are told exactly what to say and how to act in public, they are assigned certain roles within the group and can't deviate from it. (Taeyong from NCT is an example. They made him rap despite the fact he didn't like hip hop and liked rock music). The companies want fans to obsess over their Idols because it makes them spend more money. As an artist, you would only be concerned about the music and personal expression....things many idols don't get a chance to do until they've been in the industry for a long time and even then they still have to be careful. An artist can date, get married, have kids anytime. If an Idol did that, it would be the end no matter how old they are. An Idol would have to retire to have that kind of freedom. Chen from Exo was very lucky not to receive huge backlash.
@@shanchan8247 damn you're right... Idols are treated like meat to sell from their companies. This is so sad. I wish them all of the best and the freedom in the future
@@shanchan8247 This is true. BTW, I haven't heard that Taeyong didn't like rap music, his Soundcloud songs are rap songs. He sure is good at pretending then.
@@buttarain27 He said it on an old interview(it was kind of like a diary) when NCT was first starting out. Someone was asking him about his role as a rapper and if he liked rap and hip hop music and he said no, he doesn't really like it. But I don't think he's pretending now. I think he made the decision to focus on his role as rapper and he seems to honestly find enjoyment in it.
@@shanchan8247 Chen was lucky?? Him getting married and having a kid was one of the main reasons kexols abondoned exo! Most kexols wanted him leave the group and he was enlisted after that. No update or whatsoever since then. There are like 8 kexols left only, international exols on the other hand always supported him wanting to have a family.
@@whyareyouexisting7285 Art is art, and isn't a question of morality or beauty, nor does it have to be committed. Art is art. And it's precisely for that certain movements, artist could see the day. Nudity doesn't necessarily mean sexuality, in the same way that sexuality doesn't necessarily mean nudity. To censor it's make it lose its sense and its value.
As a black k pop fan, it's hella annoying when fans justify Idols racist actions, just because "they don't know better". They are grown, fully developed human beings that are capable of being held accountable.
Yes i agree but on the other Hand korean does not have a diverse Population so they also might not have some knowlegde or experience.. but the case with the lipstick is really obvious . So i can understand your anger
@@Sonnenanbeterin1991 i understand what you mean but they do know about black people, they do know about black culture, black music, black face and the n-word. So, they are no excuses
@Bubless Carrson does they're agency teach them about cultural appropriation . How are they gonna sustain an international fanbase if this types of things keep happening.
@@Sonnenanbeterin1991 as someone who lived in korea and half korean we know what cultural appropriation is and what is racist we might not be diverse but we know what is right and wrong we have internet we are not that disconnected and ignorant so pls don't be afraid to call people out and korea is more diverse than u think
maybe he forgot about it or he just didn´tcare because it is his room, his choice. You see much more on social media or tv, so i don´t get why people were criticism him for that. it is just normal. a lot of people have posters or pictures like that in their room. it is non of other peoples business.
yes he is dumb. if he wanna be pervert, go on, no one's stopping him. but at least keep that shit to himself, there's nothing to be proud of it especially if you're an ex idol.
@@JenViva288 how are you saying it’s none of people businesses when he showed to the media publicly. Just like standing naked in a public place then saying “ay it’s none of your business to look”
Since people are still confused about the JayB issue, here are some facts : 1.The photographs on the wall were actually part of an art exhibition. 2.There was also a photo of himself in a beanie which was misinterpreted as female private parts. 3.The wall was shown for a few seconds. (whoever had zoomed in that dim lighting and found out this is definitely one of a kind!) 4.The wall has never made an appearance before. 5. Most importantly, he apologised for not being careful enough about the younger audience. It is alright if you feel uneasy about the situation. I had to step outside my identity as a fan and consider the reality and make a decision for myself. The model’s consent and JayB recognising where exactly was the issue is what’s most important to me. I hope people use this as an opportunity to learn about the difference between pornography and nude art and importance of consent rather than just engaging in unnecessary fan wars.
I just wanna see someone kpop fans hate do this, then this won't be art it will be disgusting for all you. I agree with you but the fans going so much of extent to protect him dosen't sit right with me. And covering it up with pervert fans wrongdoing.
@@shakira7301 but i do agree that fans, non fans, haters and just neutral people are going to have very different opinions about the same matter depending on who the person is. At the end of the day we are all biased.
I could care less what is on his wall.The only reason I want him cancelled is because that moron has a black cat named Kunta.I'm thinking about getting a yellow cat and naming him Bruce Lee.Or Charlie Chan lol.
Right. He is adult, can do whatever he wants. But if he makes his personal choices public (not intentionally) and others find that inappropriate,you can't blame them. If you has the right to like something, others do have rights to dislike that, if they think it's inappropriate.
@@Mehhhh675 its none of our business until it was shown in public i think , and i don't know why people take it seriously, like if u hated him just don't listen to his music
I think Wanaone's complaining was okay, they just spoke their mind since they were so over worked. The other comment was inappropriate but it is not unexpected from people of any age group or profession.
🤣 For me i saw art and inspiration on his wall.....It not porn it not erotic anymore. For me when i have order to design the tattoo yes i have more than 3 pic about female body for create it not.....Pervert.
Wait them complaining about only getting 20% to split among them is not rude or bad behavior. That's actually a great question about a very unfair split.
"Idols are human too they can't be perfect" is not an excuse for their racism. Not being a racist is the bare minimum. Having said that, I think JB didn't deserve the backlash he recieved
@@savani751 You honestly could’ve kept this whole comment to yourself. I explicitly mentioned with my first sentence that I do NOT think it is wrong for him to have those pictures HOWEVER for myself, I would run the other way upon seeing those photos in a man’s room. Rnb was not rooted or even related to sex at its origin. It literally means Rhythm and Blues. Rnb was rooted in a good instrumentals and sorrow melodies. Not sex. As time has progressed forward it has changed to a more sensual style of music. Don’t come at me with half facts, if anything you are the teenager you assumed me to be. Good day.
@@eitasemi6030 first of all it wasn't his room,it was his studio....his workplace,he has moodboard their for inspiration for music, everything is art related there,he is a film major and that was from his fav photographers work ,they were selling it, infact one of it's merch,a tshirt had it printed on too!!idk how is it a problem to put up things you want in your studio,it's his choice. Also he didn't intentionally show it,it was shown for only 5secs lol and it was very blurred I m sure no minor saw it until some multi decided to zoom it and joke abt it which spiralled out into so many unnecessary nasty things. Just a blurred our screenshot of something that was shown for 5secs. But y'all be stressing on "oh I would be so acted if I entered his room" like he is an artist,you should know well before going to him not just some ordinary guy. Everything about women is sexualised these days,sad reality...if you are uncomfortable it's fine,but why portray him as wierd just coz he doesn't fit your type of ppl?? Artist's mind works differently,if you don't know anything about him,better not talk abt it simple as that coz its gonna affect his damn career,coz mediocre ordinary people's standards aren't met. When the world becomes more open minded,y'all will be the same ppl calling it cool....until then stay pressed
That's exactly the problem. People are defending him because they're fans obsessed to protect their idols image, they're equally disgusting tbh. Fans who put idols over morals aew disgusting asf. Periodt
The whole JB situation is ridiculous. I can only say that him liking the meme photo was a bit immature but cmon many artist take nude pictures and even draws them. Vogue photographers take nude pics, I personally know someone who draws nude drawing at times. And haven’t people seen those naked statues before??
@@lalalia9838 was he intentionally showing it live? Did he go "OH HEY I HAVE A FEW PICTURES HERE THAT I'M GOING TO SHOW EVERYONE FOR A FEW SECONDS! TAKE SCREENSHOT AND CRITICIZE ME EVERYONE" I don't think so, and those pictures were blurry as hell ffs. He's a grown man not an innocent child
It would be normal if it was jay park or someone bcs he's someone who would do that but imagine being called gentleman of kpop just to find this about him. The biggest disappointment ever.
@@shakira7301 I know culture is different but art is universal, he already apologizes for not being careful and show it in a live and minors could see it, he still a gentleman, he accepts his mistake
Lmao, I thought the thumbnail said “Sandals Caught on Livestream,” and I was like “sandals are bad?! Why is wearing sandals a questionable behavior???” Clicked to see why, and no one is wearing sandals 🥴
Oml 💀💀💀 Semi off topic tho but still on the sandals talk, like my sandals never last long 💀💀 The soles disappear when I walk...maybe cause I prefer to walk everywhere 💀💀💀😅
last time i checked JB is a guy and an adult. he can have normal interest in art. The Renaissance art also has a lot of nudity. Gosh as if he is disgusting for putting nude art on display. He should have been more careful but people need to just let it go. Especially these problematic "netizens" who are just online ALL THE TIME to pick on the popular and well known artists. feels like these people don't have anything better than nitpick, backbite, bully and cancel everyone!
I get the other cases but idols appropriating culture and making racist jokes about other culture AND THEN *not apologizing* for it is just unacceptable
But to me it sounds weird u rarely hear apologizes for ca. Cuz I doubt all these groups are bad people maybe the companies don’t care enough to let them apologize
Isn't Jay B an artist? Maybe he does nude art it's an art form and it's completely normal. I don't think there's anything lewd involved since it's just drawing human body with no any other meaning.
Idols sometimes may mess up thats because they are humans too like us Edit : I said mess up like the wanna one incident. Racism is not included in what I am saying. But yes if an idol does racist stuff then that can't be excused.
@@minxxz1287 I don’t know what people r so pressed about, I mean some of these r not even so called issued like wanna one’s incident was lowkey funny and JayB’s was a bit exaggerated it isn’t a big deal and a doubt minors these days r so innocent that they won’t know those things already, as for Chen’s and other one I have no right to speak about it cause I am not from Black community , it’s up to them how they perceive the situation and whether they decide to forgive the idols or not.
Honestly no offense, but if i suddenly found out that my male friends (who im close with) or male siblings had pics/posters of naked women on their walls? i would still be very uncomfortable (eventho im a content moderator for tiktok and see people doing sexual dances/acts n show private part for clout daily) I cant help but be cautious n uncomfy afterwards cuz you never really know "why" they have those pics in clear view...in a place where they are often in private 😶 Sometimes ur mind just fill in the blank n u cant help but feel grossed out by the guys who do that Im explaining this badly, but this is just my 2cents😅
@@izzyisme7451 yeah......i wud be uncomfortable too , but canceling him for that is not right , as u said we really dont know y he has those pics , they might just "art" as ppl said , we r not gonna meet him anyways lol so y cancel him , just take his music which is nice PS. im not saying u r canceling him or anything , im just saying that ppl dont need to do that and no offense intended
@@nehanandam8168 so true, he gave his reasonings, explained his part of the story n apologised. But unfortunately im not an Ahgasae😅 n when people started cancelling JB for this i barely felt anything cuz Got7 just disbanded(? Or was it separated?) n i had long stopped since been their fans I was like...."oh, another JYP idol getting cancelled? Yikes" n moved on 😅 That sounds so mean but i hope JB can safely get through all this, and successfully make a CB 😊😊
Oh my god! JayB's case isn't disgusting! Why do people over react like that! Seriously! Chill already! It's art! It's normal for a man his age to have pictures like that on his wall and the other pictures are art! Besides I have seen much worse pictures of women like he has on his wall. I can guarantee you that. I would have been more ashamed of him using drugs or smoking weed or being racist or being a r8pist. That is the worst thing ever. Yes, our idols are normal people like us and yes, they curse like us, they talk about s3x and they can have dirty minds like us and I can also guarantee you they have had s3x before. They are human
All that is written in the commentary, but in this way only a small percentage of those who use common sense think, while the rest have become "robots" programmed by music companies, which are constantly bombarding Kpop fans, that they are "angels, , ,, sinless ,, ,, honest ,, and blah, blah ... and they are just people who work in the entertainment music industry and they are sinful and have all the weaknesses, like every other man on this planet ...
@@minxxz1287 girl it seems ur not mature enough to understand this situation. these are nude models whom feel confident in their naked bodies. the pictures are sexual at all, and the meaning behind nude photos is to appreciate the human body. you are the person who is sexualizing the model. grow up
@@dedeess do you really think that everyone who sings songs involving the word nigga really sing the whole song but only leave out that part, and that intentionally? I dont and others as well, but these are litterally the People who say it's racist when someone else does
Overprotective fans calling JB a pervert because of having "those" on his wall. First, he's an adult. Second, its an art, he's into art, we all know that. Third, he's a human, being an idol doesn't mean they are perfect. They need to be treated as a normal human, too.
@@jiminfinallygothisjamsback3282 for me it was the Yaebin one, like I don’t get it either. Like idek who she is and this is the first time I hear that name so I can’t be biased
*for the wanna one one just remember normal groups of guys or even girls do this too- like its not bad to vent to your friends- its not bad to say you took a dump- or even say bad words everyone says bad words....i just dont understand why they got hate when they literally acted like every teenage group having fun*
The photos Jay B had on the wall were from the artist he admired. U guys need to calm down!! And nothing is wrong in admiring an artist and keeping his works close to u. Some of u guys see nude art as pornography or objectifying women whereas some consider it only Art. Nothing more and nothing less. Don't say mean things when our views are poles apart!!
The wannaone one was not that bad honestly. I am just uncomfortable with that inappropriate joke but a lot of boys make that kind of jokes anyway. I can see why they are unhappy with the schedule as idols are often overworked.
I kinda agree with you. They have every right to complain abt overworking and not getting payed enough. The random comments made like the one from Daniel are surely unprofessional but not that big of a deal. If it were for that then I wouldn’t even give a second thought to the incident. I actually laughed at first. But what I really didn’t like is how one of the members (guanlin apparently) sexualized his female fans. It’s pretty disturbing and disgusting to even with abt that. But hopefully it the rest of the members didn’t go much along with it. I saw some Korean netizens saying that the ones holding the camera (Jinyoung and Woojin) where the only ones who didn’t participate in the conversation and tried to change the topic while Jisung and Minhyun weren’t even in the room.
guys, the wanna one's is low key funny.... its not even offensive or like questionable or anything.. they were just like friends enjoying and stuff..they were just like teenage boys enjoying... Edit: omg thanks a lot for the likes... And also the replies section is one of the best and civil replies I have ever seen.. Thanks for keeping the replies cool guys....
@@praseethak9709 Yeah, I saw that. It’s like joking in an office when you didn’t know a customer is going to be there. They were at work. That matters the most.
i don't want to say chen wasn't wrong and i think he should apologize. but if you know him even a little bit you know he would never on purposely say such a thing. it is bad of him and he should apologize but just consider this..... it is mostly a korean thing. for example in my country we were raised watching a lot of cartoons and movies and series on television that has black people. we never seen black people in real life. for us having darker skin and beautifull full lips and big bright eyes remind us of black people. i mean...non-east asian people out there watch a person with small narrow eyes and shout "jackie chan jackie chan!" or "BTS"... Asian people see an american person and shout the names of any american actor (mostly marvel actors XD) that they know... don't tell me you've never seen this situations! ...imo it was the same for chen. i always tell my mom that black. i always say to my mom that how most black girls and guys have beautiful full lips? why my lips are so small. i wish my lips were like them! not too small! in korea almost all people has small lips. like...really small lips and noses! so for them having wide mouth and wide smile reminds them of American people. specially american women actresses. having full lips reminds them of black people. their lips are so full and pretty. he just remembered those characters and named them as an example of having full lips. not for making fun of them or being racist. they have a lot of black fans and if you see fancams of when they are not on camera, you see how they treat all their fans equally. i saw that they respect their fans. as examples i saw them with black fans. with Malesian muslim fans. and with lgbtq member fans.... still after founding out that fans are offended about it, he HAD TO made apologies. i would be really happy if he had done this. i mean... i am a muslim asian (Iranian). one of the biggest targets of racism people! i always see people judging me even before i talk. i say i'm from Iran and it is enough reason for them to call me terrorist and so many bad things! bcz they see dumb and completely wrong things in western media about my country. things that are 99% wrong and funny for me! so i won't defend these things...i would never defend racism..but i think Chen's situation was different.
@@Kim-rw6tz, *the thing is dude we don’t know him we don’t know why he felt the need to say that we don’t know who he truly is deep down because we aren’t his friends or his family we go off what we see on the media there is no way to prove who someone truly is by recorded tapes and especially with the fact that they have to keep images I doubt the Chen we know is even maybe 20% of his actual self so I really can’t agree with you on that no matter the way his comment was directed it was still offensive and that’s all that matters at the end of the day we all need to learn to stop racism as A WHOLE*
@@remigal899 ok, calm down, snowflake. Defending him doesn’t mean saying what he did was ok. But there is a thing as mitigating circumstances such as when there is no malicious intent. But here, he was clearly aware of blackface at the time so it’s inexcusable.
In my opinion, the only thing problematic is the whole Chen situation. People have already explained enough about why JB's whole thing is fine, he just needs to be careful cause of younger viewers, that one i get, but everything else knetz need to just calm the hell down (but what's new?). Same goes for Wanna One situation. They're just a bunch of guys what did they expect? My guy friends are like that, and they're humans. They're not gonna be rainbows and cupcakes all the time. Also as a black kpop stan, Yaebin looked and sounded genuinely apologetic, so her apology is accepted, she just needs to be more careful. It only becomes a problem when she keeps doing it (which she hasn't i don't think.). And then lastly, Chen. Didn't that live happen a while back? And it's still an issue. My biggest problem is that there have been no apologies. It's basically implying that "Whatever ya'll don't matter." If something is offensive to a race or culture, then the correct thing to do is apologize. Even if you don't understand why. Go find out why and apologize. Simple. And just cause they're your fav doesn't mean that what they did is okay. Yes, they're humans too, we all make mistakes. But when we do we say were sorry and it's the offended person's choice whether or not to accept.
I don't know if you are a fan or not. But an EXOL knows that chen is one of the kindest among all. Just yesterday we read a post of how he treated a speech-defective fan. And seriously to be honest, we all have insulted or bad-mouthed about someone at one of point of our life. Asking for apology just because they are idols is completely wrong.
as a white person who sings along to the weeknd, i try hard not to say the n word. like not cuz i wanna say it but cuz its in the lyrics. it takes practicing a song not to say it im not justifying anything cuz its not my place but if i was mindlessly singing alone, i might let it accidentally slip too
@@jennierubyjane4133 its not sth I wanna use don't get me wrong. But I know the songs and I know the lyrics so if I want to sing, I have to practice not letting it slip out.
Since they are idols everyone want them be perfect But they human as well So being perfect is impossible And sometimes different type of point view Between idols and Fans can also be reasons of scandal whey they actually not that much scandals
Shows they are all just humans. They have a dark side too and they make mistakes too. Don't expect any celeb to be the "perfect angels" when the cameras are off
I have a huge problem with the Racist comments and N word dropping, I’ll never be able to get down with that, I don’t believe in using racist redirect against any nationality of people. I was taught this by my parents, who were a part of the Civil Rights Movement of the 50s and 60s , and we’ve taught our children the same. My life’s moto, Do onto others as you’d want them to do onto you .
The thing is, I am totally against racism, still I don't see a problem in singing along to songs containing such words, since u don't use it yourself, it's similar to giving a quote. If people would have a problem with others singing along to that, they wouldn't include it in the first place, i'd say.
@@schande4589 it's not the same tho as a quote, anyone who isn't black when using the n word usually says it in a super negative connotation.If a whole culture of people tells me to not say a word even if it's in a song, then I respect it yk? It's their way of taking the word back, Have a good day though :)
i find the wannaone thing to be ok, actually. when i first heard the incident i was like oh boy they fucked up but after giving it a think.... actually, everything they did was so... normal?? the complaining, the swearing, the inappropriate talk, THAT'S WHAT I DO IRL, THAT'S WHAT ALL MY FRIENDS DO THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE DOES IN REAL LIFE LMAAOOOOO
@@seunghyubs_eam a channel called Adeola Ash uploaded a 40 minute video talking about racism, cultural appropriation in kpop. I mean Big Hit even sponsered a conference that studied Black people's reactions to BTS and Kpop music (which is a bit weird) but.....they KNOW what they are doing but they just do not care because any time they are racist they can just lie and say "oh we did not know" and then the nonblack fans will turn around and attack the Black fans...saying they are too sensitive and should juar accept it. I used to listen to Kpop since 2008 or 2009...I used to LOVE IT but sadly not anymore because I am disappointed with all the racism in the Kpop groups AND in the fandoms.
@@jadacurry1020 i don't want to say chen wasn't wrong and i think he should apologize. but if you know him even a little bit you know he would never on purposely say such a thing. it is bad of him and he should apologize but just consider this..... it is mostly a korean thing. for example in my country we were raised watching a lot of cartoons and movies and series on television that has black people. we never seen black people in real life. for us having darker skin and beautifull full lips and big bright eyes remind us of black people. i mean...non-east asian people out there watch a person with small narrow eyes and shout "jackie chan jackie chan!" or "BTS"... Asian people see an american person and shout the names of any american actor (mostly marvel actors XD) that they know... don't tell me you've never seen this situations! ...imo it was the same for chen. i always tell my mom that black. i always say to my mom that how most black girls and guys have beautiful full lips? why my lips are so small. i wish my lips were like them! not too small! in korea almost all people has small lips. like...really small lips and noses! so for them having wide mouth and wide smile reminds them of American people. specially american women actresses. having full lips reminds them of black people. their lips are so full and pretty. he just remembered those characters and named them as an example of having full lips. not for making fun of them or being racist. they have a lot of black fans and if you see fancams of when they are not on camera, you see how they treat all their fans equally. i saw that they respect their fans. as examples i saw them with black fans. with Malesian muslim fans. and with lgbtq member fans.... still after founding out that fans are offended about it, he HAD TO made apologies. i would be really happy if he had done this. i mean... i am a muslim asian (Iranian). one of the biggest targets of racism people! i always see people judging me even before i talk. i say i'm from Iran and it is enough reason for them to call me terrorist and so many bad things! bcz they see dumb and completely wrong things in western media about my country. things that are 99% wrong and funny for me! so i won't defend these things...i would never defend racism..but i think Chen's situation was different.
@@Kim-rw6tz he could have closed his mouth. Especially comparing it to michol, yeah no. It’s not if. You are still defending his and making excuses for him
Lmao the Wanna One part was so funny i just laughed my ass off to it. Some ppl r so sensitive like chill they didnt even say anything wrong or insult anyone jdkfsgjdfh Daniel saying he took a huge dump tho BAHAHAHHA
@@shakira7301 As an ex student at an Art and Multimedia high school I can tell you that those photos are not pornographic ones, but artistic nudes. There's nothing wrong, vulgar or inappropriate in human bodys, you all need to understand that nudity doesn't necessarily mean sexuality and, in the same way, sexuality doesn't necessarily mean nudity. These pictures are part of an exhibition and are meant to be seen and appreciate, not to be considered as sexual and I think it's a bit disrespectful toward the artist too to consider them as pornographic... This type of art is not for everyone, I can see some people are not mature enough and they will always see some sexual double meaning in everything, I'm really sorry for those people I hope someday they will be more open minded.
I can’t imagine how funny it would be to just hear kang daniel go “i took a BIG shit this morning” like don’t act like you’ve never done that, don’t act like you’ve never made a sexual joke. Idols are just like you.
I do make sexual jokes too. The difference being that the one guanlin made was basically objectifying women since he described his female fans as potential easy people for sexual acts. It does seem pretty disgusting to even think abt it
tbh when i saw jay b in teh thumbnail i thought they were gonna put that clip of him explaining how he drank expired milk and describing his experience in the bathroom later
Those pictures are work of arts, if a person can't enjoy work of art, then what's the use of being human, haters just want to find something to make it big and parents should monitor their young children.
@@Exotic6792 honestly no..I mean I get it that they are a boy group and ppl can joke around with each other..true..but cussing before live and especially that handjobs (only the pretty ones) comment was too embarrassing... and the fact that it got even broadcast on live just made me feel embarrassed for them. Now I think you'll get my point. Thank you.
@@tanyakatiyar1652 Oh i understand. Like second hand embarrassment? anyways, apparently the handjob comment wasnt true, if i remember correctly, it sounded like that but it was another word, just pronounced badly by one of the foreign members. the fans were so pissed they sent the clip to some audio forensic thing 💀
The JB one is just so stupid. His a grown man he can put whatever he wants on his wall. (To call him a pervert is out of proportion. Like really ppl grow up)
People don’t seem to understand that the distribution of pornography is a federal offense in South Korea. That being on his wall is legal. Him posting it on a live stream could be seen as illegal. Even if it were an accident he could have faced serious trouble.
The case with Yaebin is completely ridiculous, it's not like she added the word herself, she was literally reading the lyrics. How did we get to the point were in order to properly respect a black artist we have to censor their work. What if Yaebin had been at Nicki Minaj's concert and was singing along with Nicki as she said that word, would that still be racism? The double standards around this word need to stop.
Lim Jaebeom loves art in any form and that includes NUDE PHOTOGRAPHY. People who see that as inappropriate or alarming, you better learn FORMS OF ART, dude. 😚
As a black person i understand why fans are mad....and wanna one are grown men ...they're not little kids.i understand it was a bit inappropriate but you can't cancel them plus they did not realise that it was already live streaming...remember they are humans too and they sometines make mistaje so does other idols🤨😑
Well, you might be the first and only black person to excuse someone for evoking the name Kunta Kinte -- in jest. You can't get more racist that referring to an actual character of a Slave Trade movie.That was an incredibly powerful movie and the character is held up proudly in African American culture. It's not for another race's entertainment.
I think the girl who said N word for Nicki Minaj's song is innocent since she was just singing a song and try to cover but failed you could see her expression after said it looked guilty so I will forgive her(since I am black)
@@nadiarivera3317 Well true but I still forgive her she made a mistake (a big one) but everyone makes mistakes I forgive but I do not forget but you are correct
I blame Nicki M and songwriters. I’d have liked that song if the lyrics weren’t horrible. It’s controversial in the US, but I’m on the side of “let’s all stop using the word”. It’s insulting to hear the song being played. To blame someone not fluent in English trying to sing it? No, the blame is far upstream.
@@Sunset553 girl ur wrong as well, nicki minaj is black so she can say that word. it isnt her job to supervise someone like a babysitter. the n word is apart of their culture, and asking them to remove it is like asking an adult to stop saying the word fuck. and koreans are not innocent, they do know abt racism. idk what race u are but u give off republican vibes watch this video, believe me, korean people do know what they are doing: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AQ0tR4RXMHY.html
I understand how fans cover up for artists but in the case of EXO, EXO-Ls were asking EXO to apologise and since I've seen them being kinda colorist relating Kai's complexion, I've also seen them grow.. I'm not defending them but the main thing about making mistakes is to learn from them.. Nowadays, exo members have been complimenting Kai's complexion a lot and I hope that they stay the same and never do what they did in the past ever again..Also, idols need to be educated about such stuff..Racism in Korea is very common and it shouldn't be.. Everyone in Korea must be educated about this since the comments the idols make while knowing about racism or not are very rude and disrespects plus hurts the sentiments of a whole race of people! Also, I'm not telling Y'all to unstan your favs but the bare minimum you can do is to hold them accountable for their actions..As much as I know and have seen people talk about chen, he's not the kind of person to hurt anyone so I think what SM should've done instead of trying to hide it was to make him apologise and teach their idols about racism since it's not something that should be normalised..As much as ik chen, ik he'll understand, apologise and never repeat the same mistake again but for that they need to educate him first since more than half of the idols in kpop don't even know about black history and racism that the whole community faces..
@@dilykairdos8547 These idols didn't mention them in their conversation, they said some insensitive stuff which might hurt a whole race of people out there.. Don't you know about Black history and how much they suffered..And to joke around about their complexion, habits and stuff is just rac!st and I won't defend that at any cost
@@jigeesha3668 oh I'm understand now. I know history, yeah. But people calling racism even when Robert D. Jr. become black character in the movie. And I think that if person not think about other race in a bad way so it's not racism. And yeah, I'm understood your feeling.
Can some fans literally just stop with their shit......I swear who do they think they are.....the idols are humans and they can do anything they want......just because they love us so much doesn't mean we will cross the lines......stay in your limits those type of fans
Well good to feel cool. But remember this kind of choices are the reasons why World is suffering. Easy to say, that they are adults and choices.. When u show ur so called choices, u actually show ur mindset too.. For ppl like u it is easy to say and criticise fans all the time.. But if ppl won't say anything here.. There will be many idols doing the same shits.. Maybe u don't feel anything as ignorant person but sensible ppl can feel, racism isn't good.. Nudes isnt good to show on social media like how much u like nakedness or not, it isn't cool. Don't try to normalise it for ur coolness
@@tingle2323 wait when did I criticize anyone........I commented that not just after seeing this video but also after seeing what's some fans of our fandom are doing......how am I ignorant.....I said they are adults and their choices because...some fans have problems when they date..if they have tattoos and if they do anything which offends the fan.....you literally just took me in a whole wrong way
@@tingle2323 I m not trying to say what these idols did was correct....but I m asking people to think about this from the other side......the idols especially jb must have not meant it that way.....
@@tingle2323 and I m NOT criticizing all fans......there are fans who kind of want to control the idols.....I m calling them out....not everyone....you literally didn't understand what I said....I don't like these things as well....when did I say it was cool....read my comment carefully understand the meaning behind it and then come and comment under it......you know I m a human and it hurts when someone misunderstands you like that....and comments those things....
@@tingle2323 I did not say that racism is a joke....I m just saying it for those fans in general.....I just thought of commenting....and about jb....he accidentally revealed his room...
1) Fans are so hypocritical. Fans create the sicknest fanfics, create fake photos where idols are naked and also leave nasty comments in their livestream. There is nothing wrong with those photos, the are art and the people who posed know that these photos will be seen by everyone. 2) i don’t know why fans are surprised when idols do racist actions, korea is a racist country, they don’t have much interaction with foreigners in general. Idols want to be famous outside of Asia and spread to westen, but they should learn how to treat their international fans and learn a little about their culture. And it is also not the first time that EXO has been racist, his comments to kai (they call him blackie). 3) Why sing a song that has the n word in a livestream (we shouldn’t do it private but people do it anyway) If you want to sing a song by nicky minaj choose one that does not have the n word or just skip the word. 4)At the beginning of the video they simply told the truth and how they felt (why only 20% and lack of sleep). Later it seemed to me that they got too comfortable and begin to throw comments out of place. But not to create such a stir.
I have to disagree about you saying that EXO is racist. Please don't mislead people. Even though Chen shouldn't have said that, he meant no harm to anyone. He was just joking and apologized las soon as he realized his mistake. Now some people will say that they were racist towards Kai (in 2013-2014). They were just joking and teasing him. Do you think they would be as close as they are now if they meant being racist toward Kai? So please before commenting and believing anything, be sure the source is reliable.
@@graciabraidy1937 everyone is racist and the reason is because racism is implemented in our society. the problem with exo and other idols is that they apolozige the first time but they keep making the same mistakes, if I can call them mistakes, when you do the same thing over and over they are no longer mistakes. racism has many faces, and one the faces is joking to much even when people try to educate you. The racism we see in idols is the racism that Korean society has implemented in them, but it is their job for their fans of color to educate themselves. Obvously they can changes and educate themselft and be better. Stop defending idols.
@@dayaneth1499 I totally understand your point of view. However, not everyone is racist. I would say most of the people are ignorant. Yes, he shouldn't have said that, but I don't think it was done with malice. I agree that we should stop defending idols at some extent. When Idols do some sort of mistake, they need to be held accountable but not in the form of hatred. Don't spread rumors about a certain person or group being racist or colorist (based on what you read on the internet) when they learned from their past mistakes. Thank you for reading my point of view and respecting it
EXO is not racist, they have been colorists, which is different, apart from not all the members have been like that, plus those comments were made a long time ago.
Jb is Human like us I am not a fan of him but you should know that there still people and it's there right to have anything in there room except illegal Things
While I do agree with the fact that JB is a grown man and does not need permission from anyone to have those pictures on his wall, I do believe that he could've taken a little more effort not to show it on his livestream. Younger fans of his did not have to see that, especially because most of them are young girls and it would make them uncomfortable. Again, I'm a huge fan of JB, so no hate.
He was sitting in a dark room with the lights off. He leaned up to adjust his seating position and his wall showed literally for 2 seconds. Somebody had to save it and zoom in and inspect the photos with a magnifying glass to see what was in the photos. And they were still blurry. No one watching the live would have noticed it.
Why are people trying so hard to get JB cancelled? Literally he’s been through so much for years just because he isn’t as outgoing as the others. He’s a grown man and if he’s not out there doing things to women, then why does it matter if he has photography on his wall? And Chen.. sigh. Honestly, I’m not even surprised. And all of those people who are defending the actions are weird especially because he didn’t even apologize.
@@crimsonrosesx i don't want to say chen wasn't wrong and i think he should apologize. but if you know him even a little bit you know he would never on purposely say such a thing. it is bad of him and he should apologize but just consider this..... it is mostly a korean thing. for example in my country we were raised watching a lot of cartoons and movies and series on television that has black people. we never seen black people in real life. for us having darker skin and beautifull full lips and big bright eyes remind us of black people. i mean...non-east asian people out there watch a person with small narrow eyes and shout "jackie chan jackie chan!" or "BTS"... Asian people see an american person and shout the names of any american actor (mostly marvel actors XD) that they know... don't tell me you've never seen this situations! ...imo it was the same for chen. i always tell my mom that black. i always say to my mom that how most black girls and guys have beautiful full lips? why my lips are so small. i wish my lips were like them! not too small! in korea almost all people has small lips. like...really small lips and noses! so for them having wide mouth and wide smile reminds them of American people. specially american women actresses. having full lips reminds them of black people. their lips are so full and pretty. he just remembered those characters and named them as an example of having full lips. not for making fun of them or being racist. they have a lot of black fans and if you see fancams of when they are not on camera, you see how they treat all their fans equally. i saw that they respect their fans. as examples i saw them with black fans. with Malesian muslim fans. and with lgbtq member fans.... still after founding out that fans are offended about it, he HAD TO made apologies. i would be really happy if he had done this. i mean... i am a muslim asian (Iranian). one of the biggest targets of racism people! i always see people judging me even before i talk. i say i'm from Iran and it is enough reason for them to call me terrorist and so many bad things! bcz they see dumb and completely wrong things in western media about my country. things that are 99% wrong and funny for me! so i won't defend these things...i would never defend racism..but i think Chen's situation was different.
@@Kim-rw6tz What he did was literally blackface, there’s no difference between him or anyone else doing it. You’re just blinded by your admiration for him and just because he has spoken to black fans doesn’t mean that he doesn’t carry harmful and negative stereotypes of black people. Also you talking about “black people lips” like that just sounds dehumanizing and weird. It’s just ignorance from him and you.
To everyone who is saying that what Chen did didn't deserve criticism: Fine, let's just say that some idols aren't that educated, but as a human being, when you do something wrong, you deserve to be criticized and corrected so that you wouldn't make the same mistake. What Chen did was unexcusable and what makes it even more disappointing is that he didn't even apologize so stop defending idols saying that they are just ignorant because without criticizing them, they'd make the same mistake. I hope you try to understand what I'm trying to say, thanks for reading.
the Wanna One and JB incident just confirms that what we see from our idols (even the so called real stuff from their vlives) is all part of their packaging. I LIKE IT! it’s a reality check we need to remind ourself that these are perfectly imperfect people so let’s stop idolizing them and just enjoy their music, dancing, performances, etc. and the other stuff, we can enjoy it too but know that those are as fictional as the MVs they produce.
After watching the JB's one I wanna say, I really hate seeing people interfaring with celebrities private life like how can you judge without knowing the whole story and if you're a fan then stay as a fan don't be a toxic judging person who recognizes each and every private thing and spreads it all over the world also he is grown up who you are to judge them!!
I just realize one thing when things aren't controversial still some people made it cuz they need something to hate of I'm just disappointed with those
Why is it that every other nationally is not "educated"? I know for a FACT that if my black self said anything sensitive and chucked it up as me not being educated the internet would chew me the hell out.
That's not true. Black people can be culturally ignorant too. And post some questionable stuff but we don't get called out on our shit. Try talking to a black person who is not into K-pop about Asian music and see how much ignorant shit they say due to lack of cultural awareness. I think we all need to do better. But especially these artists should get some cultural awareness taught in training since they try to appeal to a global audience.
