I bought an IPS monitor in 2013 and was blown away by the color quality. I then bought a VA panel in 2018, it took me 5 minutes to figure out I made a big mistake lmao.
If you go with like the Samsung G7 I don't think you will be disappointed in the color department even though sure doesn't beat the best IPS out there that are made to have good colors...
@@AncientGameplays However in VA there's nothing better currently than samsung's G7 and G9 :( About the viewing angle is probably pointless for a gamer as you will always be playing directly in front of it and maybe 90% of the cases viewing angles are pointless as they only matter for multiple persons watching the same display from different places or maybe in a work place where you will need to be constantly looking at the monitor from different locations...
I had god awful black smearing when I bought the Predator Z35P VA and it was absolutely horrendous! Dont know how anyone could call it accaptable. It even had frametime issues which is super weird lol. Sent it back and got the Predator X34P IPS and I absoluelty love it! The only thing I do miss about the VA screen are the black levels but I can live with it. :)
I just bought a new gaming monitor and was dealing with this black smearing, and couldn't for the life of me figure out how to fix it. Google really didn't help until I found your video, and finally had a explanation that made since that its something these VA monitors have, and I'll have to deal with. I really appreciate the video, and it helped me understand what is going on. Thank you!
My girlfriend bought me a va panel, (how would she know what to look for) and iv been tryin super hard to reduce ghosting/black smearing. This was def helpful actually... more helpful than any video iv seen so far.
no matter what you choose there will always be pros and cons to each panel type. so far the only time black smearing has been bad for me on a VA screen is when the refresh rate is lower than 100 but for the most part during gaming my 144hrz screen has very a very small ammount of smearing that isnt noticeable unless is really focus on it. ive noticed on my MSI screen that increasing response times causes the ghosting to get worse but leaving it on the medium setting is fine
yeah, but that makes no sense to have, as unlesss you're getting a REALLY powerful GPU to drive those games always over that refresh rate, you'll always see it...
I had an MSI 1440p 144hz monitor, VA panel but looked amazing and 0 ghosting. I broke it :(. I figured this Gigabyte 1440p 165hz one would be just as good, but my god the ghosting is absolutly terrible, and reading text on it hurts my eyes. I need a monitor though so i cant return it, ill have to use it for a few months until i can afford a better one D:
I've never noticed any ghosting on IPS panels, VA can be horrendous. Sure the step up in contrast ratio is nice but not worth the amount of ghosting / smearing you get. The only solid VA monitor in terms of ghosting is the Samsung G27, I just couldn't notice any but the curve is very distracting..more curved than other monitors These tips will help but there's only so much you can do
Indeed. There are no miracles. Like i say in the video, VA panels are just that way...there are some with really good optimization like the new acer ones (34" VA 144hz). Those are the best ultrawides i have seen in terms of VA smearing, but it is still a bit there. That is why i pulled the trigger and went to the IPS LG 34GN850
the samsung 34" VA used in most 4-500$ VA 21:9 is "decent" nothing epic...my MI has the same panel...on foliage i notice some trailing nothing major and thats just on the edges...due to the backlight response and how it affects uniformity IMO. As stated with the ACER which uses the same panel as well as pixio and gigabyte. It ultimately gets remedied by an ideal interface much like Gigabytes which offers a lot of calibration/settings modularity that the MI generally lacks. Which can further the QOL/image quality to the end user on a VA. I also had the 200hz 30" panel which initially i found to be too small/height wise. Required a lot of tinkering to form an ideal image quality which was typically necessary per genre....a lot of blurring on foliage and trees from fc5, rdr2, and the hunter call of the wild. Which is probably by contrast what made the samsung panel so much more "viable" or it helped make it seem more ideal than it ultimately was. I did on occasion see some ghosting/halos around my hud or scope/barrel but even my nano IPS LG GP83B shows the same exact ghosting/halo/trailing effects around FPS arms/weapons. The backlight just cant keep up weather its VA or IPS. At the end of the day you have to fork up FLAGSHIP prices or upwards of 450-500$ as a start. For a proper GP850 2021 with its 180hz, or an msi 274 qd. Otherwise theres the gigabyte 170hz QHD of good OD capability among the 30-50$ cheaper 27" which is of Poor OD performance. Near 300$. Most IPS panels experience ghosting around 60-120hz ranges with OD enabled you tpyically have to disable it which is fine...bc frame times in AAA games is usually HIGH at 60-100 fps anyways. OD is somewhat MOOT....thus the inherent panel itself will begin to speak for itself as far as performance/imagequality/clarity. Thankfully people like ancient can help differentiate which OPTIONS truly shine at each pricepoint. Godfall on max per ex was fine on 21:9 on the samsung VA. The genre really matters on 21:9 and ive(with my year on 21:9) have grown to move towards selling the 21:9 and saving towards a 43" oled from LG. Its just far greater across the board for gaming and non gaming as far as a larger display. IMO. 21:9 is great for PVE/mmo/arpg/racing etc...paired with the price of entry VA offers. But it quickly feels like a novelty aspect of gaming not really a Permanent aspect. DLSS sure helps for cp2077 or rdr2. But even then frametimes become an aspect largely in BFV or even R6siege as examples where 16:9 just wins outright. Not even a discussion for competitive fps or moba. But still the hunter call of the wild or my first FC5, BFV playthrough was somewhat EPIC even via VA 34" I hadnt had a capable system for quite some time. Which encouraged me into a 21:9 AS a just for fun experience and i can still sell the 21:9 for some reasonable recoup once the 43" oleds start selling. The bezel also happens to match my non curved 27" lg which is a nice bonus perfectly same size bezel and edge to edge match i just put the UW on the L part of my desk and can move my 60%board around or mostly use a controller for those PVE titles.
Thanks dude so much! I bought an Ips panel a while ago and I noticed some ghosting! I had my overdrive to extreme without knowing that it affects the ghosting. I switched it to normal and it is fixed! You earned any sub thanks a lot it was starting to bother me
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Thanks so much for the video, my monitor suffers from overshooting but I think it's a trade off for 300+ fps, at that point, complaining is futile, I'm not a pro, so no huge deal for this great hobby.
Thank you so much, friend. I have a 144hz curved VA panel from Dell, and I do think 3/5 points you made definitely affected the smearing. Also IMAGE SHARPENING can REALLY do this, it's almost as unnecessary of a graphics setting as "motion blur."
I had my trace free setting on 100 on an Asus VG278QR 165 hz and it had mild ghosting, especially when moving the cursor behind white or brighter colors it left a trail, but when i disabled it or left it at a lower settings it completely disappared. Thanks for the clarification.
Where was this video 2 weeks ago :/ I bought a g5 27 and I had really bad ghosting issues, I had to disable freesync and lower the response time by 1 setting so it looks good, it is a shame freesync had to go but I couldnt change response time with it, I didnt try to lower my refresh rate with freesync but I am happy with my settings, Im sure your video will help others, keep up the great work :D
I have an MSI G24C6, I’m unable to find certain settings, and the ghosting is fine, until I play certain games where it becomes terrible, it’s an IPS monitor, which makes no sense.
Image quality look terrible when I reduce response time. Also scroling on comments look terrible with black background and white text. Theyu become yellowish istead of staying white. Pictures become pixlated too. Response time reducement is no good for TN panels.
I have this "overshoot" problem on my Dell S2721DGFA. However is shows as "Black Smearing" on my MSI VA panel.... I can't seem to eliminate the overshoot on my Dell panel even using fast, super fast and extreme response time settings. Any ideas? It's really disturbing all of my games as it looks and feels like lag.
Isn't your monitor IPS 165Hz? that should never happen. use the "normal" settings instead of the low ones. also, you can use RTINGS settings to tweak your monitor: www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/dell/s2721dgf
As RTINGS recommends, you can use it at 120hz with the Super Fast mode for the least overshoot possible. But even on the 165hz extreme settings as recommended, you shouldn't be able to notice it
@@AncientGameplays thanks for the reply...I'm wondering if maybe I have a faulty panel unless there is a setting other than response time thay could cause or contribute to the same "overshooting" effect I'm seeing
I'm still using a Samsung C24FG70 1080p 144hz VA panel from like 2016 or so and i'm looking to upgrade. I've tested out 4 different VA and IPS panels and all of those had worse ghosting and smearing than my C24FG70 VA panel from 2016 (which actually almost has no ghosting and smearing at all), no matter which OSD settings i used, i tried everything. 2 of them had a weird green glow around yellow object too in darker area's of a game. I don't know what to do anymore now. I want to upgrade but it seems everything is worse than what i'm using now. Anyone tips?
@@AncientGameplays I guess it was smearing then, it's what you see at 09:40 in this video, exactly that but only in darker area's of the game. No problems in bright area's. I have the MSI Optix MAG274QRF-QD underway now. Hope that will be the one that stays then.
i made a mistake 2 years ago buying an Odyssey G5, my worst monitor ever (black smearing, ghosting etc). 5 months ago, the panel got flickering, guarantee replace it and... the panel is way better now, i can't explain it. Don't get me wrong, it's still a VA panel so little crapy over and there but not the same at all with the previous one.... does Samsung got 2 differents quality panel for the same model ? By the way, my next monitor will be a Iiyama with IPS panel.
I have a Dell G7 17 7700 gaming laptop and for about a year now it has been "reflecting" the top part of the screen to the bottom and it flickers unless if i put a video to play or start a game... Do you know if this is a hardware issue? EDIT: If I lower the brightness the flicker takes up even more space like more than half of the size of taskbar...
I just made mistake buying an $280 VA panel. So sad that my country can't refund if it doesn't have manufacturing issue. Now only thing I can do is get used to that smearing until I can afford a new monitor. 😮💨
One day soon I am hoping that LG will make it more common across with ATW-Polariser or IPS Black for IPS panel both gaming and in photo studio editing. It does help to reduce IPS glowing mostly though. Only just a few out there. Its a pity only I found is Dell IPS Black with 60hz nothing for gaming just yet. I currently have LG 32GP850 that was a big upgrade from old LG 32GK650, it blows me away with except of IPS glowing on each corner, unfortunately but middle looks nearly black enough with the help of better polariser filter and the nanocell. Previously I owned 27MU67 it was very good IPS but not as good as newer 32GP850 I currently own today. The only downside with this is oversaturated and a bit too light in gamma tracking. So, I further correct it with i1 Display Pro Calibration to pull back to 100% sRGB and gamma now correct at 2.2. White balance was almost perfect out of box it need only a slight correction. Thats about it. The gaming is awesome. Not much of blur or ghosting like the old 32GK650 that suffered quite a bit with. I do miss VA contrast but the ghosting is the problem.
im so fuckign triggered with this shit why cant popular monitors just show fixes for specific models. my dell 27 inch has terrible ghosting, pure eye cancer, and its such a popular model
In my opinion there is no difference, it is not the fault of the matrix you have. I got ghosting because of my pc. 2 years ago i upgraded my old IPS monitor from 60hz 5ms to 76hz (I don't know why i did that, I didn't know the consequences). I still have ghosting even when i changed my monitor (165hz 1ms VA). If you know what to do about it, please help me.
got a samsung m5 monitor for gaming on my ps5 as it was on black friday discount i went from 900p to 1080p and its soo good esp w the contrast ratio of VA panels but ghosting has been an issue so hoping I can get use to it as its not too major just noticeable on dark colours like a dark area in CoD its like a green shadow following it
@@AncientGameplaysWell I mean if it was ever any worse than what I just said it would have gone right back to the store, and I have never had that happen.
Guys, help me, after updating the drivers, the core frequency drops on the rx570 video card also added +30 watt to power consumption out of nothing, rollback does not help. I noticed if it increases the voltage on the core quite a bit and then back again, then everything will be in perfect order ... ..
@@AncientGameplays 2 years using my oled just for my pc and no burn in. But never know if tomorrow it appears. But i cant even look at my g7 after playing on oled.
@@thedarkangelpt oled is the best you can get. 40.000:1 contrast, low input lag, crazy accurate colors all in one. The only downside for now is frequency, price and possible burn in
the 43" cx and c1 launches will be the singlehanded SAVIOR to large format gaming moving forward. The c1 reviews blew me away as ppl are still trying to force/standardize HDR on IPS "monitors" at god knows the price of entry for "high refresh/color accurate/fast response time" at 27-32". It may as well be priced as high as these LG 43" tvs will be. I have an amoled OMEN and have avidly gamed on external monitors with laptops, and seeked ideal panels for work/content consumption/non tri-hard gaming.....oled on a laptop is already a game changer even at 60hz bc of nvidia fast-sync which is HUGE. I cannot wait for these 43" LG's to launch ive waited for almost 2 years 1 once it was announced...and this patience will pay off...granted i got a VA 21:9 which i will sell once the LG's come into play.
Can someone please give a good suggestion for good monitors that dont have ghosting or at least not noticeble like the aoc27g2 that i have Btw i plays on Xbox Série S and i looking for a good monitors that can run 1080p120hz with no ghosting or inverse ghosting or trailing issues
@@AncientGameplays Is it worth it to get a good TN monitors since they dont have ghosting or similar issues if yes sugget me with good ones for my XSS or i just need to get better IPS Monitor as i said i already have AOC 27G2 IPS PANEL and i have ghosting and tried many different sitting Also if yes sugget me with better ones I will really appreciate if u help cuz i have a headache from searching and trying to figure what the best option for me
I have acer nitro xv242y and when i enable freesync my overdrive settings cannot be changed and i have inverse ghosting/overshooting .... Any suggestions on how to fix ? I mostly play games like Assassin creed, red dead r 2, tomb raider, etc..Other than buying better one :)
My 1080p VA monitor from Acer doesn't have black smearing, that's why when I wanted a 1440p I also went for VA... expecting the same goodness. Oh boy. My 1440p had so much smearing it was painful, I did tinker with the options to make it pretty much disappear at the cost of color and smoothness. The games I play on it are still a bit smooth but not 144hz smooth. And the colors are almost washed out. (08:16 exactly this) (Yes, I never sent back any packages so I was too scared and I kept it)
Hey man, you may think VA panel does not have smearing, but it does, even the top tier G9s have once going below 180-200Hz. It is likely to have way less than your 1440P one though
@@AncientGameplays I mean, if there is black smearing on my 1080p monitor... I'm either lucky or blind, because I searched for it and I don't find it. And since I don't have to tinker the settings on this one, I can play Valorant on it. I'm just disappointed in myself for wasting 300€ on a monitor I have issues with just because I was too scared to send it back...
When i set overdrive to boost, it turns off automatically when i shut down computer and i have to set it every time i turn pc on. What should be a trouble?
sadly didn´t knew about ghosting when bought my ASUS TUF VG27WQ1B and didn´t want to deal with refund so I kept it. I got used to it after few days tho so I can play FPS games on it without a problem now
Tengo ese monitor y puedes subir el "shadow control" hasta 60 para reducir el black smearing pero hace que los negros dejen de ser puros y se tornen grisaceos, ademas puedes bajar la tasa de refresco a 100hz o 75hz para reducir ese efecto aunque no desaparece por completo. El peor monitor que he comprado sin duda.
from my research LG is really the only company with good PRESET options...and their srgb setting for as accurate colors as they can generalize out of the box. ASUS/MSI etc for the "price point" of their "better" monitors still come with a necessary calibration process. Which is somewhat insulting that they didnt even go through the process of making some ideal color/OD profile presets out of the box.
Hi, very informative video. I have an IPS monitor, a new one. This have variable overdrive setting feature, the strange thing is if I set the overdrive to 0 I got zero ghosting, i mean nothing. How this possible? I have done many test and i can say with variable overdrive set to 0 I got better motion imagine. In addition seems to me this variable overdrive function is not working properly
Thanks for reply, i can assure you mine is ghosting, and when set overdrive to 0 I get best image in motion. Assuming it's inverse ghosting, with overdrive to 0 I should get ghosting, but i get nothing wrong, there is no blur when moving mouse fast, to me seems this monitor have something strange with this variable overdrive. Can I write the model of the monitor?
@@aleazz4442 no, you're not understanding. Overshooting happens due to extreme and over the top overdrive settings, thats why when you put the overdrive to zero you make ir disappear. If it was ghosting it would get better with higher settings.
So assuming, with overdrive to 0 I should get ghosting? Maybe a bit? I have a pg278qe too, TN panel and i know what area talking about. You are right, the problem i see with my ips, VG32AQL1A, and i get inverse ghosting/overshooting with high extreme overdrive, but i get 0 ghosting with overdrive off, and this is seems to me impossible because with OD off i should get worst response time. This Asus monitor has this new function variable overdrive ( like g-sync module, but not the Nvidia one), and I'm asking if in ur opinion this can be the cause of this strange thing. Sorry my bad English.
I have an Lg 27GN750-B 240hz IPS monitor. On the monitor I set the response time from Fast to Faster. And I see a lot of ghosting and smearing how can I solve this?
me watching this video trying to understand why my game looks like shit and is blurry during movement that its unreadable and is eye cancer: wtf even is a VA panel.
I have a problem on my monitor if I am using a tab that is white and close out of that tab and go to a black backround I can still see the tab I closed slightly transparent do you know how I would fix that?
@@AncientGameplays no it’s an lcd monitor and i checked on another monitor and the same thing happens the tab it showed was something I had open for less then an hour
But you can't completely revoke that VA Panels will always have a bit and in general LCD tech Oled would be much better and motion handling and such CRT would be the best but unpractical for most now
Ok I have a sceptre 27 inch 165hz 1ms mprt.. I play on console series x which the game I play is 120 frames. What do you suggest for settings, it has freesync , mprt and overdrive.. not sure what to use
Those are different things. If that monitor is IPS you won't have ghosting. If its VA, follows these tips, don't push overdrive too much otherwise you will be having inversed ghosting instead of black smearing, which is even worse
I still have my AOC 75hz IPS monitor which I bought on 2017, it's not the best monitor but no 👻 👻 thing at least ; ) I wos thinking about to buy an expensive one but I said no, my 💻 still works lol ; 3
Boas tudo bom Eu tenho o odysseyg9 Samsung, por exemplose eu ir com o rato olhado devagar para cima,a imagem tipo de uma árvore, a parte décima treme toda,parece tipo ghost não sei,mas se olhar com o rato para cima rápido já não faz tanto, como eu so o uzo em simuladores tipo flightsimulator ou eurotruck,em k a imagem fica fixa ,tipo só olho para a frente não tenho k andar com o rato para cima nem para baixo,ai fica de boas kkk A ver vídeos e a fazer trabalhos no Windows ou em programas fica tb de boas. Um abraço
I have the Ultra Gear 144hz 28" IPS panel and I just got it used, I noticed birds and rats in Spiderman have trails behind them... I have the game locked at 60fps with a 3080, everything maxed out in settings
@@AncientGameplays oh I have an Aorus Waterforce WB 3080.... Apparently they are junk, I didn't find out until I installed it in my full loop. I have to undervolt it, if it hits 2000mhz it black screens. I have an 11900k Aorus ultra and 1000w Corsair HX series. The GPU maxes out at like 40°c They have made it impossible to RMA, but it's a know issue apparently so I just want a refund.... Fun times
hey man I need help I have an i7 2600 and an r9 290 I know it's not good but it's what I can get, I play only Fortnite installed on an SSD and 16gb ram but I experience so many fps drops, no Mather what I cap at the high point stays same but the lower one keeps dropping so much
@@AncientGameplays thanks for your reply, reason im complaining is my brother is on same setup but on a gtx 760 and his fps doesnt drop as much as mine does and its really irritating, how do i go about installing the chipset drivers
@@batjexx3286 That and disable spectre and meltdown with the inspectre. Disable anything running in the background, the desktop wallpaper update, if you are using it. Sell the 2600, put some money on top and grab an 3770k, as is the only way for you..
Can you please help me. I have a Msi Vega 56 air boost Oc and I get random crashes while gaming. I tried undervolting, repaste... Can anyone have a fix for this? Thanks in advance
Every monitor I've looked into either had dead pixels or ghosting. Ur stuck with one of the 2. It sucks man rip. How I have fixed it is changing the gamebisuals on the monitor to sRGB mode. But it gets rid of the high contrast which sucks it doesn't matter which one u go there's nothing perfect about each one. Pros and cons to every single panel.
@@AncientGameplays yeah I got VA and I regret it so much I got ghosting big time. But It fixes it when I switched it to srgb mode. But it get rid of the contrast.
