I think it's much more likely that Pacific Rim and WH40k are both drawing from the same history of giant mechs fighting giant monsters that goes back to decades before either franchise existed.
@Lassi Kinnunen Really it is the other way around. Battletechs 3050 readout which is the first time clan mechs are showing in any of the books came out in 1990 www.sarna.net/wiki/Technical_Readout:_3050 where as Adeptus Titanicus where 40K titans came out in 1988 when they launched their "epic" game line. warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Epic . But yea the idea is older then dirt.
@@evoryurzica2199 Titans might be older that battletech or mechwarrior, but the knights were later are heavily influences by it I think, at least as they developed into the form now.
@@Theduckwebcomics yea you are right there. Anytime I can play a big stompy robot I am good. So to paraphrase monty python, "Lets not fight over who stole art from who:)
1 in 1000 might become an Astartes. 1 in 1,000,000 might become a Princeps/crewman. But only 1/10 of noble Knight house scions fail imprinting with the machine spirit of their mount because they maintain the blood lines eugenically. That's actually pretty decent odds, and a higher success ratio than the eugenically bred Truebloods of the Clans in Battletech.
@TheBunkerBuster 105 Each chapter is mandated by the Codex Astartes to maintain a very specific number of troops, therefor their armory only needs to stock exactly that many sets of wargear - exceeding that number would be an infraction against the Imperium, so therefor the chapters that do are on their own for finding equipment
Aren't the Jaeger's WAAAAYYYYY bigger than Imperial Knights are typically shown to be? In any event, I think the whole idea of mentally interfacing with yer machine is popular enough across sci-fi that it's unlikely Pacific Rim ripped off Warhammer 40K specifically. Evangelion used that mechanic for the pilots and Evas and I'm sure it existed in alot of other stories before that.
Chris deMonch also the 40k universe has a history of neural interfaces, just look at space marines and the link they have with their power armour, you're right deffinitely not a rip off
Jaeger's are closer to comparison of the full on Titans. The methods of controlling both are pretty much the same... Along with the similar failures to control as well as the associated fatality.
It seems more based on actual knightly history. Yes knights were a huge advantage in combat, but the armor was fit to the individual. It was also insanely expensive to outfit an entire army, so usually you had most of your troops in lesser forms of armor. Similarly the training they underwent usually started from a young age, and wasn't something just anyone could pick up and match them at.
From a military perspective. Psychological implications are also important. Thats why each regiment boasts something of their own. "Hey only we can do this!" It makes em fight harder. Fight better. The soldiers themselves think this. Even though its only implied the soldiers think that they are better. Having a Knight is honor. The rituals. The exclusivity. The burden of duty. All of these things are used in order to create a good soldier. It strengthens their loyalty. It gives them courage. It rewards them. But you didn't hear that from me Mmmkay?
My first ever exposition to the imperial knight is thanks to the mobile game Warhammer 40K Freeblade that I discovered a couple of weeks ago and I simply love it. It’s also a bit thanks to it that I’ve grown a bigger interest in the Warhammer 40K lore.
"why would you have a weapon only certain people can use, we don't have that in todays time' Ok so you know how to Operate a tank intuitively? Or even a gun properly if you've never actually used ones before. Could you maintain it even if you could figure it out? The entire point is to make the weapons platform exclussively used by a few couple people. It's like owning the keys to a car. Why would you want it so an enemy, could just sneak in, fall into the cockpit and highjack what is considered a piece of high technology so advanced that it's considered worth literal armies of normal soldiers.
Actually Knights/Titans and Jaeger two are most liekly not ripped from each other ... But the whole thing started in Japanese Anime and Manga in the 1960s I think, that all center aroudn Heavy Humanoid walkers piloted by people inside them..... (Notable Variants are Mobile Suit Gundam, Neon Genesis Evangelion, etc...)
6:35 i remember cartoon "EXOSQUAD" (you can find intro on youtube) where ppl was using connections to the "titans" too. It was my first meeting with machines controlled in that way. In later episodes they tried to show connection with the pilot when he/she is not connected to the machine.
If we'll ever create exo suit of armor, we may be forced to "tailor" them for a specific soldier too, or at least limit the number of soldiers able to use specific unit, mostly because of diference in person's height - large person wont be able to even fit into small person's suit, and small person wont be able to use tall person's suit because of different distance between joints (or will be able to use it only once before his/hers bones will be broken).
To answer your question about the benefits vs drawbacks of the extensive training and imprinting process, I would say it's less like rifle training, which is rough and ready, and more like jet fighter training, which is also complex and produces fewer adepts. The Knight suit is an elite weapon, that isn't dropped when it fails, it is catastrophically destroyed, so there's zero benefit to easy access, but immense benefits to improving man-machine synergies
Man, my power went out and my WiFi is still not working. I am on offline mode watching this on my phone's app. These guys are basically Knights that Joust during history.
I would argue that a Jaeger mech is closer to the size of an Imperitor Titan. As for the Neural link in a big mech, Iron Blooded Orphans got it pretty well.
Pasific Rim was directly inspired by *Neon Genesis Evangelion (1995)* which hearkens to the *Japanese Mecha* universe. This universe came into being as early as the 50's in Japan, and more importantly it is what inspired the *Gundam series (1979),* which at the time became very popular in Europe and the USA. As such W40k (1987) is most likely also inspired by the Japanese Gundam/Mecha universe - which had a resurge in popularity in Europe and the USA during the late 80's. While it is likely the creators of Evangelion _may_ have heard about W40k, they were clearly _not_ inspired by it, but rather by the long-standing Mecha tradition within Japanese manga and animé.
Otherwise it's _obvious_ that the Imperial Knight would win. It's _way_ more badass, its armor is way heavier, and its weapons are way more brutal. The Jaeger might dodge a bullet or two before being mortally wounded, though. ;)
Guillermo del Torro has never seen Neon Genesis when he made Pacific Rim. It's all just one big coincidence since it makes sense anyway for a brain interface to control a robot. It's quite intuitive.
I'd suggest Dreamforge Games then. Their Leviathans are the size of Knights, cost a fraction the amount, and are generally a better looking better quality model. It's amazing what you can get when you're not paying the GW tax.
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It's very much all reliant on peer review. Technically, the High Lords of Terra hold rank over the Inquisition, but they're often too busy with their own dull duties to provide any oversight. In practical terms, they govern themselves. If there's an Inquisitor that several Inquisitors don't agree with, they can excommunicate them and have them killed. If you want to have an Acolyte elevated to Inquisitorial status, they must be reviewed by an Inquisitor Lord or several Inquisitors prior to granting them a Rosetta as a badge of office. All you need are enough enemies to make your life hell as an Agent of the Golden Throne.
*Jaegar walks out of a Warp Rift and onto a battlefield* Jaegar Pilot: wait, this isn't Kansas. That's the last time I take directions from a rabbit. Right turn at Albuquerque my foot! *Chaos Imperial Knight declares a challenge to the Jaegar, the Jaegar punts it across the battlefield and walks by its wrecked chassis* Jaegar Pilot: Wait. I think this guy's dead. But let's check for a pulse. *Jaegar fires four plasma cannon shots into the Imperial Knight's chest* Jaegar Pilot: No pulse.
Imperial Knight vs Jaeger. Imperial Knight would win for the same reason like any w40k armory would win. Mount a Melter or a Vulcan Laser on the Knight and it will cut the Jaeger in pieces. If a Vulcan Laser can kill a Titan made of Plaststeel it surely can kill a robot made of steel.
@@jontheno3213 Unlikely, the Imperial Guard sentinels are armoured with 45 cm of plasteel and ceramite and that equals to either 1.2 m of conventional steel or 13.5 m of conventional steel, depending on which canon you are using and Imperial Knights are much more armored than that
One thing they never really explain about such neural bonds is how they 'unlock' it if the pilot dies while away from the armour... After all, Knights are heirlooms, handed down over generations, so there must be some kind of qualifier or override. A weapon without a pilot is just a hunk of metal, so I bet they train all descrndants to be able to pilot one, so they can pick up the torch and continue the legacy if the one bound dies somehow.
The interfacing of new initiates is described as intensely painful. Enough to cripple, if not kill, if it goes wrong. The Knight itself even retains a part of each pilot that once used it, which is then forced upon the mind of the new user. A Knight belonging to a house with a great sense of chivalry will make it's new initiate feel the same sense of chivalrous need. Presumably the Knight itself doesn't care much for who pilots it, though I could be wrong. Maybe it works like a Tau suit and anyone who's been prepared can take control.
I think piloting giant robots and interfacing with said robots has already spread through anime and sci-fi enough that no one is really ripping anyone off. Unless of course they just straight up copy or something. Jaegers have more size than a Knight, but a Knights weapons are better. If the Jaeger pilot has surprise or better strats I could see them winning.
A knight would have to fight very hard to beat a Jaeger imo, a Jaeger has equal weaponry, but the knight has better armor, but the Jaeger is way more agile despite being 5 times the size and could easily destroy a knight with kicks and punches or a bladed weapon, or ones of those giant plasma cannons. A knight is going to lose vs a Jaeger like Gypsy Danger almost every time, but it might be able to take out one of those really shit design Jaegers, like that 3 arm chinese one
A Jaeger, being about 250+ feet tall, against an imperial knight, which is roughly 35 feet tall, would just step on it. Zero issue. It'd be like an adult man stepping on a chihuahua. I still think Imperial Knights are some of the coolest units in 40k though. The most even fight you could get would be one 250+ foot Jaeger versus two 150+ foot Warlord Titans, or two Jaegers versus one 350++ foot Imperator Titan.
Titans and Knights are in Warhammer 40K since the days of Rogue Trader, Guillermo del Toro is a huge (nerdy) fan of everything like 2000AD or GWs Warhammer and 40K, Hellboy and other franchises that are well known by fantasy/sci fi-afficinados of the book-, film- and videogame worlds. The neural interface for spaceships and battlemechs has definitely been around in scifi since the 60ies, but it came to broad popularity outside the sci fi-novel market and especially as the link between a pilot and his mech came through the boardgame Battletech, which was founded a few years before GW brought out Warhammer Fantasy and Rogue Trader (probably in the time they distributed the american Dungeon and Dragons in the british commonwealth) and of which walking war machines GW 'borrowed heavily' in the early stages of 40K. Don't forget that Godzilla in the 60ies and numerous clones of such Kaiju-movies and the first legendary big robot manga and anime from Japan where the main influence for Battletech but also for mech-walkers like the ATATs and ATSTs in the original 2nd Star Wars-movie.
Knights were out somewhere about 1980-90 (at least lore-wise). Pacific rim is movie made few years from before (2015?) Nevertheless, GW could not take the knights from pacific rim and it is little shamefull, that somebody who explains the lore to the public on youtube (ESPECIALLY OMS), sugest such uninformed idea. And, as mentioned before, Yagers, when comparing to human, the human is as tall as height of its heel. Knights, when comparing to human, the tall human (or spacemarine) is almost touching its knee by head. Also, yeagers are basically fistfight showcase machines, where knights were made to be as lethal as technologicaly possible for that period. I would definetly not bet on a yager against knight, even if it is some of "melee" knight types. Why does the knights have user restriction? They were the main military and police strenght in some colonies, therefore (for that time and place) equivalent of tanks, or even nukes (because there were no chance to defend AGAINST it in said colony.) Therefore the easiest way to enforce the stability to said colony civilization is to: 1) restrict access to the truly heavy arms - knight suits (and make the fighting response better) by utilizing and necesitating the MIU link. 2) Eventualy, when all outside threats for the colony (carnivorous wildlife in size and manners of dragons, smaller raids from other species, etc) is put to the end, Onlyone who could challenge the knight for power and supremacy in said comunity was another knight. Therefore it was quite wise to strenghten by design (and mind alteration of all the pilots) their sense of loyalty, and nobility. It prevented most of game-of-the-trons-like backstabbing among their kind in a long shot. AND it ensured, that when some knight goes nuts, or traitor, the rest will band aginst him. because (usually for them), the personal honour is more the virtue, than the blind obedience to traitor or madman. AND you end up creating warior caste, where combat prowes is everything, therefore it is extreemly unlikely you will ever find a knight pilot so unfamiliar with the controlls of his/her steed, than he would seem incapable of combat. Unlike of some guardsman, or even the vehicle-crews, freshly drafted and pitted into the furnace of war, with close to none practical training before. 3) The constant need for maintenance, repairs. fuel, ammo and refits of the knight suits, leave the pupulation of its home-colony, with some leverage, to INFLUENCE (and if applied in extreme, by denying tithes and workers to the knight house to destroy) the knight population of said colony. At least it WAS like that until Emperor rediscovered the imperium and interplanetary transportation, mechanicum ties and guard support made such effort MUCH more close to ineffective, or outright crazy.) main military benefits of creating and using knights in comparison with other military ground vehicles: A) Flexibility. For knight it takes only simple change of arm (armed for fingered) to be able to serve as construction crane, digging machine, buldozer, forester vehicle (with chainsaw able to take down a seqoy with a simple swing), makeshift transport, guard against possible local semi-sentient, armed and murderous species or REALLY tough and cruel police "anti crowd controll vehicle", aside its military value. TANK, even when simpler (as a machine), is a specialized vehicle, unlike the human shaped knight, wich may do basically anything, what the human can. Also, its size and posture can pretty much SCARE someone. More than even a gaze on baneblade, although the baneblade might have be more powerfull. And possible less costly (resource-wise). On the other hand, I personally think the knights unneccesarily big, technoloicaly intricate and armoured. When combined with strong enough air-force, the sentinels with upgrades to function like the "AMP"s from Avatar, used in bigger formations, might do the same trick as the knights, WITOUTH the MIU and probably MUCH les costly. But with much more casualties among their ranks (lesser resilience). AND they might add to the flexibility of them much easier transport by air or offworld by shuttle. AND they might to be much more numerous and widespread used in civilian tasks than the knights we know today. But with that strongly comes a threat of internal colony strugle and possible warfare. b) Melee combat abilities. In WH 40k, the most of decisive battles are waged by melee combat weapons, even among the knights, titans, biotitans, gargants, eldar knights (or titans), tau battlesuits, demons and other gigantic units (even among the ships to some degree - ramming, boarding for imperials and tentecling for the tyranids). Our today military would not prefer 1 knight instead of 10 Abrams tank (or its Russ 40K equivalent), but targets we are used (and our tech and tactics is designed) to fight against today, are not supernatural, alien, superresilient, covered by shields, nor stationed in such environment, that legs are needed for movement. Basicaly, when something big (think dragon able to one-shot melee a machine target regardless it is a knight or tank) lives in environment surrounding the colony, AND is able (or clever enough) to lay in prepared trap, or sneek up to the target, it is better to be in a knight, than in a tank, because when there is no time to reload, aim, or simply USE the gun, there may be enough time to slap or push the oponent away, and THEN pump a magazine into its guts. c) Elevated position. This may be a longshot, but in comparison, the crew of the knight is much higher, than the crew of the tank. When attacks does not dammage the hydraulics, or other movement making devices in the lower half of the body, it may be simply ignored by the crew. And when facing oponents with hypnotic, psychic or straight unnatural warp abilities, Or with phasing abilities of Necron, it is simply better to be as far from them (from ground level) as possible.
My two cents on the various questions posed in this vid; -Who ripped off who? The concept of mechs piloted by neural interface goes back to the earliest days of sci-fi, so I don't think anyone can really take credit for it at this point, though the "getting into your command pod and then dropping through a tube into your suit" thing is a bit of an uncanny similarity that I wonder if someone on the Pacific Rim design team might've pitched because they were a 40k lore buff. -Who would win between a Jaeger and an Imperial Knight? Well, depends if the knight can withstand getting stepped on because Jaegers are absolutely massive by comparison xDD an Imperial Knight is only the height of a couple story tall building, while Jaegers easily compete with skyscrapers in height - but, WH40k has technological advantage dialed up to 11, so it wouldn't surprise me if the Jaeger just simply found that the knight was straight up indestructible and could slice it to ribbons without taking a scratch. -Why would you have a weapon only a specific person could use? Well, it's because the military mindset of this faction is not that of the modern day. In our minds, weapons are weapons, and anyone in the military should be capable of using it because wielding its firepower and destroying the enemy is more important than anything else - however, knight houses are just that, KNIGHTS, think straight up medieval nobility, wherein the cumulative experience of a single individual is a sharper blade than any weapon that any foe could throw against him, a one-man army whose very presence can turn the tide of a battle. Imperial Knights are the equivalent of a gallant knight in shining armor, each the hero of their own legend who brings their entire life's experience of training and warfare to each battle as an avatar of absolute destruction that is not intended to fall, let alone be replaced on whim. Knight armor in 40k can be passed down the generations, so it's not like will ever be able to wield a suit of Knight armor again once bonded, but because of the philosophy behind them, they are not seen as mere weapons to be replaced - they are the mantle of a legend that each heir must earn the right to wield.
I think Relic need to go bigger if they make another dawn of war. The WH40k universe is stupidly massive. Much larger than just a squad or even a company. They should make something like the ultimate apocalypse mod but on a galactic scale. Honestly I just want more good WH40k games. Also I really want a knight but it seems like quite an undertaking to paint/assemble.
Tbh i think it was more of a case of “parallel thinking” rather than “one taking idea from the other” however it is fair to assume we can all agree it is easy to see how one would think the idea was stolen
Weapons are made harder to use to prevent them getting stolen, either after conflics or during resupply. In modern days, tolerances of different parts can me made, with different serial numbers, so that they can be impossible to fire or assemble unless modified or matched.
Considering Neon Genesis Evangelion came out 5 years before Games Workshop existed, I'd say GW took it from there, however doesn't make it any less than the most effective way to bond with a suit. Pacific Rim is just ....another example of how it works.
For the end part, you can just reset the knight to factory settings then customize it for a new pilot if the old one dies. I refuse to believe setting a weapon back to factory settings isn't an option. Oh look at that I just got my virginity back.
40k has a lot of supernatural and fantasy like elements. It's not purely a computer issue, it's also a matter of psychic residue and/or machine spirits.
Unfortunately the whole machine spirit thing is there, the worship from the machine cult has turned anything mechanical sufficiently complex to develop its own personality likely because they have onboard AI's. Have to realise that these things are countless millennia old. So even if they did somehow manage to find the reset switch it wouldn't work properly
Warhammer author Aaron Demski Bowden recently elaborated on the reason for “machine spirits” in the more sophisticated machines in the 40K universe in Talon of Horus and Black Legion... There is nothing but the most basic AI in Warhammer. Anything beyond that is outlawed as Heresy due to a previous machine uprising during the Dark Age of Technology, which was sufficiently catastrophic to end the entire age. Think of the future scenes in the opening of the Terminator films. Mankind nearly went extinct, and technology has regressed ever since. Since that time, more sophisticated machines have human brains interred inside them in preservative fluids, slaved to the brain of the pilot, which act as the machine’s CPU(s). The residue of the (occasionally) various personalities merge into a gestalt ghost-in-the-shell “machine-spirit” that new pilots seek to understand and either appease or dominate. As pilots interact with the machine spirit, the machine spirit will remember the pilot, his or her tendencies, etc., which will itself come to form part of the machine spirit, just like we, as individuals, are influenced by and remember those closest to us. Machine spirits cannot be overwritten, reformatted or reprogrammed.
The neural connection makes controlling the knight easier and faster. Conversely, using manual controls is slower and less elegant, movement is jerkiest and accurate targeting harder to achieve. Not that this negates your concern about having back-up operators but that, in Warhammer 40K is why the noble houses have as many youths in training as possible. Nothing I’ve seen in the lore hints at this but I could easily see multiple thrones per knight mechanic so if the current operator dies another can be plugged in as soon as the mech is repaired.
As I remember there was a RPG back in the 1980s in which a player piloted a mechanized war machine and that game inspired both the movie and GW’s Imperial Knights
Honestly should have mentioned there are rare occasions where the Pilot dies and the suit itself keeps fighting till its destroyed. It has happened so apparently it's not uncommon
On the Pacific Rim question, Knight Titans have been in 40k since the 80's, though their appearance has changed ( look up "unreleased Epicast knight paladin ) & their scale is different than the movie. TY 2 u guys @ OMS for more knight titan lore, my computer has been KAPUT for 2 months & I just get it working & check on my favorite youtbe channel & find this waiting for me . TY again & keep up the good work !!!
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it all depends on the situation/circumstances. Jaeger's are bigger and excel at close to mid range combat. While Imperial Knights excel at mid to long range combat depending on their loadout and the legion they are a part of. They might even excel at close range combat. And in which case if it's a Knight that excels in close range combat, I'll have to give it to the Jaeger about 9 times out of 10. But if the Imperial Knight can keep a good range on the Jaeger and uses mid to long range weapons on it, it's almost and even match, given the Jaeger NEVER gets close enough for melee attacks on the Knight. but the clear advantage goes to the Jaeger. And the main reasons are, 1. Over all size difference,(Allowing for longer strides, More armor, Etc). 2. Agility and speed difference, Jaeger's are rather fast and agile, faster then a Knight. and 3. Jaeger's like stated before, excel at Close to Mid range combat. Unless someone's Jaeger is tailored to long range combat.
The main benefit is that a weapon that can only be used by someone after they've been imprinted is that it can't be stolen and used without the thief going through the lengthy process of training and imprinting. The idea is that the pilot is encased at the core of the machine and the only way they're getting killed is if the whole machine gets wrecked.
There's actually a novel where a Knight pilot kills his brother and successfully takes over his ride, after a brief period of the imprinted echoes of his ancestors screaming at him in rage of course. He finally wins the systems over through the power of Slaanesh.
Huh, neat. I'd always thought that Knights were more like dreadnoughts. But, that's really cool. And how the Knight houses are like seperate factions that owe fealty to the Imperium. Really a totally different direction than what I had thought they were.
Hahaha me and my friend got into this argument and we come to a conclusion....the night is shorter than the yager but it's weapons can Peirce the yagers armor like nothing. The yagers are bigger and more flexible than the knights and also has something like crusie missal's so that can weaken the knights void shields
The images of knight cockpits on the models are wrong btw, it’s impossible to hollow out the model to a point where you can put a pilot behind the knight’s head, so people just put them on the backs.
Imperial knights were definetly before the film. I expect they were een before this but HH is my area of knowledge. Book "Mechanicum" mentions that when Emperor first landed on Mars he repaired a joint in Knight machine - later known as Imperial Knight. And that was at least 5 years before Pacific Rim was made.
Pretty sure the Imperium can't make knights and they were built with the intention of bestowing the owner the ability to control and maintain his colony Armor in medieval times was VERY expensive and highly tailored to the owner, to the point where even if a son could fit into his father's it'd be better to just make your own anyways I think that's what they were going for
Imperial knights can be created by adeptus Mechanicus! It’s one of the reasons Questor Mechanicus align with the mechanicus. They can be supplied with new knights.
In 3rd battle of armageddon at the siege of hellsreach the ordinatus armageddon called oberon was not deployed by adeptus mechanicus just because only some high ranking mechanicum techpriest knew the codes to it and he didnt arrive so the black templars had to hack it.
Pacific rim is probably based off of a board game called monsterapocalypse, it was said that a director (who's name I can't remember) stated he would make a movie either about the board game itself or something similar such a Pacific rim. Monsterapocalypse has miniature models that are very similar to the ones in pacific rim movie of the Jeghers, especially the one designed called Gypsy danger.
There are benefits and cons but in the case of the Knights, the benefits out weight the cons. Benefits: that stands out the most. The machines respond instantaneously to the thoughts of the Noble. Meaning if he targets something his want to hit the target and the machines work as one to give firing solutions, movement projections and all other sensor data. No need to manually move from screen to screen trying to collect data and understand it. It is known like taking a breath. More over, efficiency is a 1000x times over manual piloting. Con: Easier to produce machines than pilots, mental conditions are probably more of an issue than with normal soldiers or pilots. Overall: Benefits out weight the Cons. a relatively agile fighting machine the size of a skycraper that reacts to threats with the speed of human thought.
Rip Tide It is ripped off from another artist. I cant remember his name but I was browsing his artstation page. He said it was a commission for a friend, based on the friend's character, and visually inspired by starcraft and other sci fi. Also drew an awesome gnoll portrait lol.
Are princeps more trained and valuable than knights? I imagine the answer is yes cause even the smallest titan can level cities but idk. Also it seems like princeps are much rarer and have to handle a much larger neural load which warrants the use of a crew
Aw come on, it's not like it's such a unique idea that if you are inside a huge anthropomorphic robot, you would have a neural link to it. From a narrative perspective it makes the characters vulnerable and relatable even though they´re encased in tons of steel, and it also adds to the picture of a giant machine being able to move and react as a human would.
It would be kinda funny if, ironically a Jaeger would defeat a Knight, form 40k, that every single time obliterates everything with more or less basic Grunts... But i'm not really certain, that a Knight would loose against a Jaeger, at least not in every Loadout. A long range Loadout would shred the Jaeger to Pieces, before it even can engage. I wouldn't bet on the Agility of a Jaeger, because Space Marines also looking bulky like a Mountainrange but are always described as inhumanly swift and agile, so why couldn't the knights be way more agile than they look like everything in 40k.
Jaegers are way bigger but they dont have the type of weapons 40k has, also the pilots in Pacific rim seem really... dumb and they scare easily and because a jaeger needs 2 pilots, if 1 pilot gets scared or has doubts then the whole mech more or less falls apart. Where as on the 40k side l... its 40k being scared is Heresy! And the weapons are damn scary, like... *meltaguns* (a fully automatic beam weapon that melts armor and living creatures), *Autocannons* (multibarreled long range bolter rifles), *Gatling cannons* (Gatling gun versions of Bolter rifles), *Gav-gun* (a gun that shoots a line of actual gravity), *Lightning cannon* (a gun that shoots a force field in the form of crackling lightning), *quake cannons* ( a gun that can bring down buildings and strip titan armor), *giant chainswords* ( motherfckin giant chainsword), *thermal cannon* ( a bigger meltagun), *Thunderstrike gauntlet* ( a fist covered in a force field), and *ion shields* (a moving force field) and that's just the weapons, not even the ammo that goes into the live ammo guns. Tempest, kraken and vengeance rounds would cripple a jaeger.
Darrian Weathington The Warhammer 40k universe may have more impressive weaponry on paper but in a one on one fight a Jaeger from Pacific Rim far out matches the firepower of a single Imperial Knight. Especially considering the Jaeger has access to things like the ultra sharp sword that can transform, the giant plasma arm cannon that can fire repeatedly in quick succession, those six doubled decked chest cannons that could nearly one shot a skyscraper tall Kaiju, countless missive salvos, and more importantly the sheer size and armor of the thing with it being able to use a cargo ship as a bat. The Jaegar pilots would have no reason to fear the lesser armed, armored, and far smaller knight and the Jaegar would win 99% of the time unless the knight had some one shot ting anti-Titan dues ex machina bullshit cannon.
@ Gav Campbell Don't think so, cause the weaponry of every advanced walker in the 40k universe is made in order to penetrate and detroy materials which outmatch steel by far in terms of durability. Also, an imperial knight's or paladin's ion shields can prevent most kinetic or energy based weapons from even reaching it's adamantium hull, which is tough as hell as well. It probably depends on the starting position of them in a fight. A jaeger might stand a chance in close combat, since imperial walkers aren't that good in melee, other than Eldar walkers or bigger Tyranid organisms for instance. But at long range, no way in hell a jaeger would stand a chance against an imperial knight.
With regards to your question about the tactical and strategic implications of a neural Interface for an obviously extremely powerful weapon system, your analogy of it being like a tank or heavy weapon is somewhat off. A better modern day equivalent to an imperial knight would be a fighter jet. While many people could become simple pilots, the mental accuity and flexibility, physical endurance and conditioning, and extremely high level of skills needed tend to keep the available pool of people who can successfully operate the craft rather small. For such a highly specialized weapon, the neural Interface would significantly improve a trained pilot's ability to manage the knight.
In both the 40k and the Pacific Rim, my money is actually on Japan. Pacific Rim was made in homage to the giant mecha anime and tv shows (think Power Rangers or Vultron), with the monsters called the name for the giant monsters in Japan: Kaiju. This includes war machines with improbable armaments, and extreme defiance to physics.
I'm thinking that someone at GW wanted to incorporate Battletech/Mechwarrior into Warhammer 40,000, because the designs of the Imperial Knights are more reflecting those aesthetics than Pacific Rim.
Jegers operate very different from imperial knights 1. Jegers only require 2 piolt and imperial knights requer only one 2. Jegers do not have ai (machine spirits) they are operated solely on the piolets actions in the cockpit 3. Jeger piolts only neuraly connect to each other not the jeger and the neural connection is only for linking with the other piolt to increase combat efficiency with movement
Jeagers are like Warlord titan size lmao they could just stomp on an Imperial knight. Imperial knights are more like the Battlemechs from Mechwarrior in size and in fire power
Hardly. The concept is as old as the jewish golum legends. It's just suspicious that a faction of feudal lords in space driving around 10-20m tall knightly giant robots with gun arms and shit was introduced to 40k to fill out thier 1/356 scale wargame... when there was a rather successful at the time 1/356 scale wargame about warring factions of feudal lords in space driving around 10-20m tall knightly giant robots with gun arms and shit...
Jager, they are bigger and faster with two pilots minimum. A knight might be able to but the advannced manuvaring of any jager would favor them incredibly if you cant hit your target with enoigh force or firepower they will capitalize
The origins of pilot face interfacing with mechs, originally game from the Original Gundam Series and the newtype pilots (basically physkers) of their universe, ascensions of man living in space. 1979?
