Thank you for all your great videos. Could you make a best lg c2 settings for ps5 video like you did for lg c1. The settings from the c1 video were confusing when I tried to use them on my c2. Thanks
Have fun getting another in 2 years when it's burned out AF! Office work is about the worst thing you can do to these. Unless you seriously hamper your workflow to accommodate for OLED that thing won't last you very long. Not to mention it's wasted on office work anyway. Some decent LG IPS TV (most other brands are VA) would fit that work better and is cheaper 🤷♂️.
@@Dashzer0 Ignore the non-tech-savvy posts above. Anyone spouting "OleD's R baD aS monITorS huR HuR" are stuck half-a-decade in the past. The funny thing is, you rarely see such ignorance on this channel, because if those commenters had actually watched Vincent's videos on that topic, they wouldn't have such dated views...
Thanks for the info. Looking to replace my bedroom TV with this LG C2 42 inch panel. Amazing that all the OLED demos look so good on my Sony XBR900F50. It’s surly must be my 84years old eyes.
I think LG may have made a mistake in their launch pricing of the C2 42 inch. LG was probably banking on this being bought by a lot of people to be used as a computer monitor/gaming display, but now that the Alienware QD OLED monitor was announced for the same price, I feel most of those potential customers will be steered towards the Alienware if they're strictly looking for a monitor/gaming display. In my opinion the LG will be less optimized for these use cases than the Alienware and that 42 inch TV seems like a bad value for more "television oriented" used cases when the 48 inch exists for the same price and the 55 inch inch C2 for just a few hundred $ more. Considering these things, we might see considerable discounts for the 42 inch if the demand is less than what LG anticipated. Finger crossed.
i tried to set my tv exactly as you did but in some settings you did not specify what the ideal seting should be...for example, what should i set the oled pixel brightness to? you only mentioned you made it low for the purpose of recording the screen for the video but not to what level one should set it
Go to rtings and look at their calibration. They mention for Dolby vision to keep it default. The default brightness for Dolby vision is 100. I forget what they put the hdr content at, but you can see all their settings. Only thing I changed was putting she sharpness down to zero because Vincent mentions he puts it at zero no matter what the content is. Where rtings just mentions to keep everything default on vision. But they're reputable and I've recommended them to others.
Vincent, we need more details on the TV! Are you reviewing it? Where did you get it and how much? I’ve been waiting to get one of these for use as a monitor… any ideas on how well it would work? There have been plenty of people who’ve used the 48in model as a monitor previously with varying results… hoping the 42 works a lot better due to the size…
@@ImaginaryWorld I dont think the C2 is in retail yet, but you can preorder. I think it will be good, because all LG Oleds before were very good for gaming and as a monitor. You could also consider this curved Alienware QD Oled monitor, but I would also prefer the 42"C2.
Uggg, that stand though, I wish they would have kept the original stand, looks so elegant. They need to stop with these silly feet design monitors because it takes up space on the desk by protruding out.
Hey Vincent! Will you be doing a Picture Settings video for the LG C3 as well? Getting mine in a few days and I always follow your tips, trix and settings 🙌🏻 Greetings from 🇸🇪
The main difference which hinders the perception of smoothness is the fact that current panels use sample and hold to display the entire frame at once which leads to an 'on'-'off' cycle (with BFI), consequently causing a choppyness in motion (and perceived flickering in brightness level). With CRT only a single pixel was illuminated at a time (the entire image being drawn line by line, but only ever a single pixel being on screen), and so producing a constant brightness. BFI is a start, but it would be better if the image was dithered to have black pixels (so every other pixel as in a checkerboard) for each frame, and alternate *multiple times per frame*, not simply acting between frames, (preferably a multiple of the input frame rate); this would keep a constant brightness. But definitely, higher refresh rates are required to improve motion. (I mentioned this in a different comment thread, but thought it would be useful here too).
@@buzz.b Your suggestion wouldn't work for the purposes of improving motion clarity. The issue with sample-and-hold is that your eye is smoothly tracking the on-screen object, but as your eye continues to move over the lifetime of a frame, the display is feeding it out-of-date information for a large portion of that lifetime. If we're keeping the render rate the same, dithering the black pixels without actually updating that out-of-date information being presented towards the end of the lifetime of the frame would simply cause a dimmer but still blurry image. Now, dithering for the purposes of actually rendering at a higher target framerate is a different matter (i.e. something like dithered BFI+checkerboard rendering at 2x the framerate), and would help motion clarity.
@@Aurora12488 The main point I was making was that BFI results in a fluctuation of brightness (due to the on-off cycle), which must be avoided if there is to be any improvement in motion clarity. The eye's (or visual cortex's) persistence of vision (responsible for perceiving motion from the rapid succession of still images) is affected by the brightness of the image. The purpose of the off phase is to accommodate for the pixel response time: if a new frame is delivered within that time, then this will affect the image; if the response time is sufficiently lower than the duration between frames this would not matter so much. The example of dithering the image was only a suggestion of how to accommodate for the pixel response time whilst maintaining a constant brightness across the entire image. Ideally, the display's refresh rate should be greater than the input source's frame rate; critically the eye's persistence of vision must not be allowed to fix on a static image (dithering operating at a refresh rate greater than the frame rate was a suggestion to break that).
Vincent were you able to take a look at the new game optimizer options? At CES I noticed LG had a video that looked as if they had an option to put an app on screen in picture in picture while in game mode much like Samsung has already where you can pull up a youtube video in the corner while playing I am wondering is this indeed what that was?
On the C1, the web browser can appear as picture-in-picture over any other video source. I have the sports updates feature turned on for my favourite teams and this initially shows a small overlay with score updates. Pressing 'more details' then launches the browser in a small window that overlays whatever you were previously watching. It's a nice little feature that I enjoy using, you can also move it around to different areas on the screen. Is this what you're expecting? What other apps in particular?
@@ImaginaryWorld I think @Tech With KG is referring to specifically when playing games on game mode that on the C1 it is not possible to have PIP with say youtube mirrored from your phone. Any other setting is fine but when playing games this is not possible but probably the best time to have it so that you can watch gameplay runs with achievements over the top of you playing though your own game. I hope that made sense
@Earthplayer I'm on an Xbox SX. The PIP works on other things but not when on HDMI. Not bothered about VRR being turned off when using PIP as I would be useful Ng it for walkthroughs only and not competitive stuff so VRR is not really needed then. Would be good if Xbox brought back the snap feature or if LG allowed us to mirror my phone into PIP while in game mode
3:00 Warm 50 ?! It looks like I have always Flux/redshift activated (I have a 65in C2 ; I suppose it's the same panel) ; and blacks at 50 is a little bit faded, try to lower a little bit
Its really a shame. They kept on downgrading that feature. The CX for example had much better motion on high setting compared to C1 and now the C2 seems to be even worse.
@@f900ex5 Actually its the only one available in game mode. Motion pro is BFI which makes high frame rate games almost lifelike in motion just like CRTs did back in the day. You must be confusing it with Tru motion which is frame interpolation which does increase input lag.
Sadly if you are a Retro gaming fan, the motion and input lag is still noticeablely short of CRT level. It's merely OK. Baffling why they would remove BFI, as future 240Hz models would have been very nice with BFI. Maybe there is a conflict with OLED tech in this regard. 😕
Tbh came here for some advice how to setup my TV as I'm not proficient in this area. As I understood, you didn't cover what settings will be best for most (SDR and HDR), you explained which setting does what? Don't know why people recommend this channel for TV amateurs as helpful. Posting this comment just to spare a couple of minutes to people that are looking the same thing as me.
I don't get why they don't put more appropiate name settings with an update for previous models. On top of that WebOS 6.0 on C1/G1 is atrociously slow - way slower vs C9/CX !-, software support is far from high standard vs firms like Nvidia or Apple... Sure they sell hardware rather than software but still...
Oh no I hope the bfi thing isn't as bad as it seems. Why would they do this? I really do not want the curved Alienware but lg seems to want me to get it.....
I hope the BFI stays and is improved. I guess I can forgive only 1 setting if it's well tuned, and since most monitors only have 1, but I hope LG really puts more effort into BFI. We want higher refresh rates, and higher brightness in BFI mode
This. So much this. I recently tested some old-school platform gaming (best played on CRT if you're a purist) on a VR headset. Those headsets use ultra-low-persistence displays and thus are almost motion blur free, even at 60hz, but with minimal flickering and it's such a breath of fresh air. I also love well implemented BFI in monitors and TVs but it's usually quite rare...
Can’t wait to add this to my gaming desk set up in bedroom. Will double for streaming from bed. Only thing will be annoying is the stand, will have to get a longer desk lol When can I order this in US?
This is really upsetting. I just upgraded from an E7 to a 55 inch G3 and I can't believe I don't have BFI 120 hz. Why on Earth would LG remove a feature people praised so much?
Hi Vincent, I just bought a LG C2 65. I can not see the pink tint from the site that would confirm an EVO panel as advertised. Can you confirm which panel I have if from Service Menu, 12. Oled Module Info 2 Shows: 08/40/1/03. It seems the WBE/WBC is not longer showing up in the service menu :(
Hi Vincent, where is that C1/C2/G2 comparison? There seems to be no link at the end of this one and I cannot find the comparison in your list of videos.
man, i'm moving to the UK in 2 weeks and I'm going to need a computer monitor. I really want a c2 oled but I don't think I can go without a monitor while I wait for it to release...
Look up the whole debacle with Sony TVs (X900H/XH90 especially) and HDMI 2.1 - you probably won't consider the A90K anymore after that. Even if the A90K would finally get working HDMI Forum VRR (no Sony TV has it atm), I doubt it would get working Freesync or G-Sync as LG has it. Also, it might look nicer, but usability of WebOS is in practice way better then Sony's stuff.
@@Xirtamani thanks for the suggestion. I'm still of 2 minds about it and VRR/Freesync/GSync isn't a dealbreaker for me coz I'm happy playing on 60hz. Mainly I wanna see if Sony has implemented anything similar to LG's Adjust Logo Brightness feature. Other than that, both of these are supposed to have EVO panels even if they don't get as bright, but if any one of them can be unlocked (like last year's C1), then that would be another thing to consider.
@@da_stash But especially at 4k on the PC it can be quite hard or not even worth it to maintain constant 60hz and you lose everything above it. I mean when the 1% lows are at 60fps of most games their averages are at 80-90fps not to mention the 0,1% lows you'd still see as stutter. There's a reason why VRR just swept through the PC market and became a de-facto standard for PC gamers so quickly. For consoles it's less of a problem since their FPS tends to be more stable and dynamic render resolutions (and now checkerboard rendering as well) made em even more stable when they were introduced in the PS3/360-era and are almost a standard since the next console generation.
8:09 you may notice here the G2 looks less saturated than the C2. This is because of white subpixel dilution, the brighter the panel the more washed colours become and this is why LG must remove the white subpixel.
I dont think that was the case here. It was just a preview from a compressed youtube video and unless he says what he sees we cannot trust this short look. Nevertheless you are right in general considering LG wrgb Oleds. The problem is they cannot just remove the white pixel, because then like half of the (peak) brightness brightness would go away and the hdr performance would be destroyed. Samsung appearently found a good way with their QD Oleds, but LG would either invent some new Oled tech or use something similar to QD Oled to get rid of the white subpixel unless the efficiency of their Oled pixels would jump considerably, which will not happen. They made everything they could to improve efficiency already. Nevertheless I think it was the right choice from LG to go with the white subpixel, because until today it is the best consumer TV technology and maybe QD Oled will change that over the next years.
@@geiers6013 The video maybe compressed but the difference is quite apparent side by side and shows that the G2 potentially has lower colour volume which is expected due to the higher peak brightness. By removing the WRGB subpixel I did mean switching to RGB OLEDs that are found in smaller size OLEDs. WRGB was created at a time when RGB OLEDs were very expensive to manufacture at larger sizes. True RGB subpixel layout also allows the use of real time image-sticking compensation allowing greater burn in resistance. As HDR becomes more popular and WRGBs get brighter there needs to be a solution as this technology is a large bottleneck for HDR colour accuracy.
@@GraveUypo I wouldn't call it "BS" as Vincent himself states higher peak brightness on WRGB OLEDs results in loss of colour saturation/volume so it is expected regardless of video comparisons. I have calibrated my monitor to the sRGB colourspace and Vincent grades his SDR videos to Rec 709 which uses the same primaries so the comparison should be fairly accurate. Regardless I do think it's best to wait for official reviews where they will measure colour volume.
I really hope OLED makers will someday standardize the use of surplus pixels for image movement burn-in prevention. -Right now I can't use the "Screen Move" feature because it stretches the image, you're not getting 1:1 pixel mapping anymore as soon as you enable "Screen Move".- EDIT: I don't know why I thought it was stretching the image, I think the menu changes size or something weird but I tested the C1 on a technical monitor testing website and it was the same with "Screen Move" on or off. It won't make much difference for me since I basically only play games with the HUD off, but if there's no image degradation then there's no reason not to use the "Screen Move" feature. I still think substantial pixel over-provisioning should be standard on OLED devices, it adds minimal cost but you'd significantly extend the life of the panel.
Dude before I read your comment I thought something was wrong with my unit because I noticed my left bezel being thicker than the right one. Thank god it’s fine lol. Tbh it’s a (very) small price to pay for diode conservation.
@@lennylennington Actually a few months ago I did some technical monitor testing (the Lagom monitor testing website) with the screen move setting on and off, and I couldn't see any difference.
I think it will be about 1 more month before it's available for retail, but reviewers are starting to get early access so that they can put videos like the one above out.
Black level is actually confusing af, cause we have black level and black stabilizer and they seem to do exactly the same thing and no one online states what we should be doing with one vs the other, or what we should be looking out for with one vs the other.
Its not supposed to. Its function is to increase the clarity of motion of locked 60hz and 120hz content. Not for when framerate fluctuates. Retro videogames, console or pc games that are vsync locked to 60fps especially.
@@sph3reofpain The principle of BFI doesn't change just because the framerate isn't locked. It won't be long before VRR compatibility becomes a mainstream topic.
I found C2 with the movie Nope at 1:17:30 and The Whale (pretty much the whole movie) had lots of weird blurry scenes. They looked artificial. The fix is turn off Clarity, Smooth gradation (medium to low). Nope's probably due to the low bit rate of prime video at that scene where she was in the dark room with tunnel vision effect. Hope lG will have an update to fix scene like that
I had enabled setting do pixel cleaning once the TV is off from OLED protection menu since I bought it like a year ago. Would something wrong happened to my screen? I don't understand this option as it doesn't seems logic that this option once enabled stays unchanged. If its a risk to use it often it should be automatically cancelled from schedule after first process is done. Should I worried? I never used option do it now.
thanks! Quick question did you go into settings and turn “hdmi deep color” to 4k? Or did you leave that off? When I turn that on most my content is put through HDR.
My big issue with my 55" LG C2 is judder. I try to just keep it at Cinematic Movement for streaming channels, especially HBO max that for some reason judders more than Netflix
Hi! I just bought an LG C2 48 inch as a computer monitor, when the computer goes to sleep, the TV shows for a long time: "(1) Please check the power of the external devices and cable connection status. (2) Press the [c] on your remote to change to another input” Ask: How do I set the TV to turn off the screen as soon as possible and enter the standby state? thank you!
Hi TDTV Can i ask if you had the choice of 55G2 OR LGC3 Which tv would you get its going on the wall ? also at same price as of now 24.1.24 cheers James
Gaming features aside, going to be interesting to see which 42” OLED will have the overall, better picture quality. Sony or LG. My guess is Sony because it’s under the Masterclass label.
Yes, probably. But especially since the 42" models are targeted for PC monitor use, if Sony still has no proper 4k120hz 10bit with at least VRR it will not even be a competition. I cannot even describe how important VRR has become for both PC and even the newer Xbox consoles.
@@sharebear421 🤣 Bro what?! U must b referring to an older model LG Oled, I have both the C1, and the A80J, and love both, but the motion processing on my C1, is far bertter than my A80J...
@@bigcdub I literally work with both of them every single day ( I work in John Lewis a Uk retailer) and this guy most def has watched too many reviews and probs never seen an LG oled in person
i use mine (c1 48) on 35 most of the time. when i'm consuming content (or playing games) and i bother to do it, i set it to 100. but truth be told, i usually just coast in 35 anyway. it's fine as it is. my "console" tv (b9 55) is at full blast all the time.