42-inch LG C2 Picture Settings Walkthrough - Surprising [OLED Motion] Change! 

No alerts in your subscription page section? I always see people complain about this, but I’ve never experienced it.

lol

Agree

Were these settings not good for use on the ps5?

Have fun getting another in 2 years when it's burned out AF! Office work is about the worst thing you can do to these. Unless you seriously hamper your workflow to accommodate for OLED that thing won't last you very long. Not to mention it's wasted on office work anyway. Some decent LG IPS TV (most other brands are VA) would fit that work better and is cheaper 🤷‍♂️.

@@Xirtamani Exactly

I intend on doing the same. Not afraid of any burn in myself. C2 or a90k

@@Dashzer0 Ignore the non-tech-savvy posts above. Anyone spouting "OleD's R baD aS monITorS huR HuR" are stuck half-a-decade in the past. The funny thing is, you rarely see such ignorance on this channel, because if those commenters had actually watched Vincent's videos on that topic, they wouldn't have such dated views...

@@dhess34 yeah tbh I've been running an e9 pretty much non stop for a few years now with no problems. No worries from me.

I have a 950g (very similar) and HDR demos look amazing to me too.. It's not your eyes ;)

Enjoy it for $1900

@@josh8oh8 he's 84. What the fuck does money matter at that age?

Exactly, great size for a bedroom , small den ect . Shouldn’t have to buy 77” to get a decent quality TV .

Damn I didn't know 84 year old people watch and comment on RU-vid haha

No contest.

before that you need to watch this, when it comes to monitors vs tvs: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3mTV1TOblbA.html

@@whiskizyo2067 Exactly. If the Alienware is really not glossy like the rumors said then it is a auto win for LG.

I think LG may have made a mistake in their launch pricing of the C2 42 inch. LG was probably banking on this being bought by a lot of people to be used as a computer monitor/gaming display, but now that the Alienware QD OLED monitor was announced for the same price, I feel most of those potential customers will be steered towards the Alienware if they're strictly looking for a monitor/gaming display. In my opinion the LG will be less optimized for these use cases than the Alienware and that 42 inch TV seems like a bad value for more "television oriented" used cases when the 48 inch exists for the same price and the 55 inch inch C2 for just a few hundred $ more. Considering these things, we might see considerable discounts for the 42 inch if the demand is less than what LG anticipated. Finger crossed.

@@andymofoincross I agree with you about that Alienware QD OLED monitor.

Go to rtings and look at their calibration. They mention for Dolby vision to keep it default. The default brightness for Dolby vision is 100. I forget what they put the hdr content at, but you can see all their settings. Only thing I changed was putting she sharpness down to zero because Vincent mentions he puts it at zero no matter what the content is. Where rtings just mentions to keep everything default on vision. But they're reputable and I've recommended them to others.

the 42 does not have the evo panel

@@thomasfischer9259 I wasn’t thinking of the 42 more 77in - 85inch comparisons

I think he got invited by LG to show it.

Yeah he said he was at lg UK headquarters

@@geiers6013, @ThePaulg123, ah ok, I must have missed that in my haste of replying whilst watching the vid!

@@ImaginaryWorld I dont think the C2 is in retail yet, but you can preorder. I think it will be good, because all LG Oleds before were very good for gaming and as a monitor. You could also consider this curved Alienware QD Oled monitor, but I would also prefer the 42"C2.

@@geiers6013 unless you play ps4/switch then is terrible for gaming

Indeed, 'sample and hold which reduces motion resolution really is a bug-bear for OLED, BFI ideally needs to be at least 240HZ

@@leeboy2k1 CX has 240hz BFI. This is why its such a shame it no longer does on C1

The main difference which hinders the perception of smoothness is the fact that current panels use sample and hold to display the entire frame at once which leads to an 'on'-'off' cycle (with BFI), consequently causing a choppyness in motion (and perceived flickering in brightness level). With CRT only a single pixel was illuminated at a time (the entire image being drawn line by line, but only ever a single pixel being on screen), and so producing a constant brightness. BFI is a start, but it would be better if the image was dithered to have black pixels (so every other pixel as in a checkerboard) for each frame, and alternate *multiple times per frame*, not simply acting between frames, (preferably a multiple of the input frame rate); this would keep a constant brightness. But definitely, higher refresh rates are required to improve motion. (I mentioned this in a different comment thread, but thought it would be useful here too).

​@@buzz.b Your suggestion wouldn't work for the purposes of improving motion clarity. The issue with sample-and-hold is that your eye is smoothly tracking the on-screen object, but as your eye continues to move over the lifetime of a frame, the display is feeding it out-of-date information for a large portion of that lifetime. If we're keeping the render rate the same, dithering the black pixels without actually updating that out-of-date information being presented towards the end of the lifetime of the frame would simply cause a dimmer but still blurry image. Now, dithering for the purposes of actually rendering at a higher target framerate is a different matter (i.e. something like dithered BFI+checkerboard rendering at 2x the framerate), and would help motion clarity.

​@@Aurora12488 The main point I was making was that BFI results in a fluctuation of brightness (due to the on-off cycle), which must be avoided if there is to be any improvement in motion clarity. The eye's (or visual cortex's) persistence of vision (responsible for perceiving motion from the rapid succession of still images) is affected by the brightness of the image. The purpose of the off phase is to accommodate for the pixel response time: if a new frame is delivered within that time, then this will affect the image; if the response time is sufficiently lower than the duration between frames this would not matter so much. The example of dithering the image was only a suggestion of how to accommodate for the pixel response time whilst maintaining a constant brightness across the entire image. Ideally, the display's refresh rate should be greater than the input source's frame rate; critically the eye's persistence of vision must not be allowed to fix on a static image (dithering operating at a refresh rate greater than the frame rate was a suggestion to break that).

On the C1, the web browser can appear as picture-in-picture over any other video source. I have the sports updates feature turned on for my favourite teams and this initially shows a small overlay with score updates. Pressing 'more details' then launches the browser in a small window that overlays whatever you were previously watching. It's a nice little feature that I enjoy using, you can also move it around to different areas on the screen. Is this what you're expecting? What other apps in particular?

@@ImaginaryWorld I think @Tech With KG is referring to specifically when playing games on game mode that on the C1 it is not possible to have PIP with say youtube mirrored from your phone. Any other setting is fine but when playing games this is not possible but probably the best time to have it so that you can watch gameplay runs with achievements over the top of you playing though your own game. I hope that made sense

@Earthplayer I'm on an Xbox SX. The PIP works on other things but not when on HDMI. Not bothered about VRR being turned off when using PIP as I would be useful Ng it for walkthroughs only and not competitive stuff so VRR is not really needed then. Would be good if Xbox brought back the snap feature or if LG allowed us to mirror my phone into PIP while in game mode

Yes i have saw hardware unboxing they also said warm 50 for accuracy. I have my phone on srgb mode and the white on the c2 is much closer to my phone

Vivid > all On the C1. I don't have a problem (unless I'm there for 5 hours or so), so I leave it off.

Its really a shame. They kept on downgrading that feature. The CX for example had much better motion on high setting compared to C1 and now the C2 seems to be even worse.

Motion pro is disabled in game mode. You don't want it on. It'll give you a TON of input lag.

@@f900ex5 Actually its the only one available in game mode. Motion pro is BFI which makes high frame rate games almost lifelike in motion just like CRTs did back in the day. You must be confusing it with Tru motion which is frame interpolation which does increase input lag.

@jzo C9/E9 series didnt have the great oled motion pro of CX

Sadly if you are a Retro gaming fan, the motion and input lag is still noticeablely short of CRT level. It's merely OK. Baffling why they would remove BFI, as future 240Hz models would have been very nice with BFI. Maybe there is a conflict with OLED tech in this regard. 😕

Yes

This is what I want to know as well, if it's bright enough to use in my office where direct sunlight shines in from 3 sides.

@@BlackBruceLeeTheGreatDekuTree i also think yes but just slightly. I think it's back to C9 brightness level

Yes to which of the three questions?

@@fhf17 all lol

Trying to figure that out aswell! I have the 42 C2

Rtings

@rezargamer he's tested countless tvs over the yrs ?!?

@rezargamer Like have a reference list where u can go.

This. So much this. I recently tested some old-school platform gaming (best played on CRT if you're a purist) on a VR headset. Those headsets use ultra-low-persistence displays and thus are almost motion blur free, even at 60hz, but with minimal flickering and it's such a breath of fresh air. I also love well implemented BFI in monitors and TVs but it's usually quite rare...

I got a 65 inch C1, I’ll trade you.

that's worse than people who get the new iPhone every year

Send me your c1 then please 😉

Nothing on there yet. Gonna get it started by the summer. But I do not mind giving to to someone. That’s what I’m gonna do yearly.

Stop wasting your money buy the QD OLED and enjoy your superior set

@@Cmdaddy88 he can get it next year, when it'll actually be ready for primetime

Look up the whole debacle with Sony TVs (X900H/XH90 especially) and HDMI 2.1 - you probably won't consider the A90K anymore after that. Even if the A90K would finally get working HDMI Forum VRR (no Sony TV has it atm), I doubt it would get working Freesync or G-Sync as LG has it. Also, it might look nicer, but usability of WebOS is in practice way better then Sony's stuff.

@@Xirtamani thanks for the suggestion. I'm still of 2 minds about it and VRR/Freesync/GSync isn't a dealbreaker for me coz I'm happy playing on 60hz. Mainly I wanna see if Sony has implemented anything similar to LG's Adjust Logo Brightness feature. Other than that, both of these are supposed to have EVO panels even if they don't get as bright, but if any one of them can be unlocked (like last year's C1), then that would be another thing to consider.

@@da_stash But especially at 4k on the PC it can be quite hard or not even worth it to maintain constant 60hz and you lose everything above it. I mean when the 1% lows are at 60fps of most games their averages are at 80-90fps not to mention the 0,1% lows you'd still see as stutter. There's a reason why VRR just swept through the PC market and became a de-facto standard for PC gamers so quickly. For consoles it's less of a problem since their FPS tends to be more stable and dynamic render resolutions (and now checkerboard rendering as well) made em even more stable when they were introduced in the PS3/360-era and are almost a standard since the next console generation.

further marginalization of whites. jk

that's bs, it's just because he's filming it with a camera and you're watching it on a different screen. don't judge picture quality from a video.

I dont think that was the case here. It was just a preview from a compressed youtube video and unless he says what he sees we cannot trust this short look. Nevertheless you are right in general considering LG wrgb Oleds. The problem is they cannot just remove the white pixel, because then like half of the (peak) brightness brightness would go away and the hdr performance would be destroyed. Samsung appearently found a good way with their QD Oleds, but LG would either invent some new Oled tech or use something similar to QD Oled to get rid of the white subpixel unless the efficiency of their Oled pixels would jump considerably, which will not happen. They made everything they could to improve efficiency already. Nevertheless I think it was the right choice from LG to go with the white subpixel, because until today it is the best consumer TV technology and maybe QD Oled will change that over the next years.

@@geiers6013 The video maybe compressed but the difference is quite apparent side by side and shows that the G2 potentially has lower colour volume which is expected due to the higher peak brightness. By removing the WRGB subpixel I did mean switching to RGB OLEDs that are found in smaller size OLEDs. WRGB was created at a time when RGB OLEDs were very expensive to manufacture at larger sizes. True RGB subpixel layout also allows the use of real time image-sticking compensation allowing greater burn in resistance. As HDR becomes more popular and WRGBs get brighter there needs to be a solution as this technology is a large bottleneck for HDR colour accuracy.

@@GraveUypo I wouldn't call it "BS" as Vincent himself states higher peak brightness on WRGB OLEDs results in loss of colour saturation/volume so it is expected regardless of video comparisons. I have calibrated my monitor to the sRGB colourspace and Vincent grades his SDR videos to Rec 709 which uses the same primaries so the comparison should be fairly accurate. Regardless I do think it's best to wait for official reviews where they will measure colour volume.

@John Hooper Ok boomer.

Bro it moves it by a couple of pixels. You don't even see it when it moves.

Dude before I read your comment I thought something was wrong with my unit because I noticed my left bezel being thicker than the right one. Thank god it’s fine lol. Tbh it’s a (very) small price to pay for diode conservation.

@@lennylennington Actually a few months ago I did some technical monitor testing (the Lagom monitor testing website) with the screen move setting on and off, and I couldn't see any difference.

@@budthecyborg4575 maybe but it has to be that, cause with my unit sometimes it’s the left bezel and sometimes it’s the right

It looks that way

I think it will be about 1 more month before it's available for retail, but reviewers are starting to get early access so that they can put videos like the one above out.

Its not supposed to. Its function is to increase the clarity of motion of locked 60hz and 120hz content. Not for when framerate fluctuates. Retro videogames, console or pc games that are vsync locked to 60fps especially.

@@sph3reofpain The principle of BFI doesn't change just because the framerate isn't locked. It won't be long before VRR compatibility becomes a mainstream topic.

Don't expect top quality from streaming services. Buy Uhd blu rays or even regular blu rays for that.

Alienware no 4k

@CodeBreaker my LG 27GL850 doesn't

@CodeBreaker VA and OLED only.

@CodeBreaker It's very uncommon on IPS.

@CodeBreaker Get a G-sync ultimate module. Flicker free and variable overdrive. The real question is if LG OLEDs still have elevated blacks from VRR.

@CodeBreaker The Alienware qd oled won't because of the g-sync module but yea if you don't have a module it's inevitable.

Yes, probably. But especially since the 42" models are targeted for PC monitor use, if Sony still has no proper 4k120hz 10bit with at least VRR it will not even be a competition. I cannot even describe how important VRR has become for both PC and even the newer Xbox consoles.

Sony actually handles OLEDs inherent stutter a lot better than LG. LGs motion stutter is crazy

@@sharebear421 🤣 Bro what?! U must b referring to an older model LG Oled, I have both the C1, and the A80J, and love both, but the motion processing on my C1, is far bertter than my A80J...

@@bigcdub hè has nothing like a top Lg like us that's why

@@bigcdub I literally work with both of them every single day ( I work in John Lewis a Uk retailer) and this guy most def has watched too many reviews and probs never seen an LG oled in person

I have mine at 100 OLED brightness, but I don't use my PC for hours a day

I should add I use my C1 as a monitor

i use mine (c1 48) on 35 most of the time. when i'm consuming content (or playing games) and i bother to do it, i set it to 100. but truth be told, i usually just coast in 35 anyway. it's fine as it is. my "console" tv (b9 55) is at full blast all the time.

My oled C1 65 inch is on 100 oled brightness for hdr. And 90 95 for everything else. Normal brightness settings is on 50 on every mode

I use 35. Exception is when I'm in HDR which is set to 100.