44 Magnum & 454 Casull vs Ballistics Gel (Short & Long Barrel) 

I own 6 Glocks and I've never regretted purchasing any of them, 19, 26, 27, 29, 30, and 30S. Have you tried out a Glock 30S? If you haven't you should, or at least get your hands on one to see how it feels in your hand.

Kentucky Ballistics that's a good looking switchblade

I've got the 30sf and its fantastical! Just ordered a 10mm conversion barrel for her and a few g29 mags, they'll be here saturday and I CANNOT WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My favorite Glock is any Glock in 45 GAP because it tells all those Glock Fanboys that there is a difference between 9mm and 45 auto as 45 GAP is essentially a 45 auto that can fit into a G19 sized frame. Basically the ammo discussion of enhanced 9mm rounds being "comparable" in some way to 45 auto started shortly after the introduction of the Winchester Black Talons in an era that was the early 1990's when bullet technology had significantly increased. Then nearly a decade later Glock made their own round that wouldn't make much sense if there wasn't a difference in performance between the 9mm and 45 auto.... well unless Glock Fanboys are willing to admit Glock can't competently conduct their own research and development in which case I might have to agree with them as Glocks still come with plastic sights after 5 generations and what might just happen to be a renamed barrell.... and I can't wait for nutnfancy to review the Gen 5 so I can say "I told you so" ... yeah. The 45 GAP is definitely my favorite Glock of all time. It's just too bad people like James Yeager make clickbait about 40S&W to avoid talking about 45 GAP entirely. That's just a form of toxic manipulation if you ask me.

Kentucky Ballistics what’s funnier is I don’t like glocks at all.. carry a g19 most days though lol.. wanted something reliable with any ammo with vast aftermarket for holsters etc.. quality accessories are also cheaper then most other options like my PPQ which is my preferred go to. I also don’t like getting other selections dirty and sweaty daily..

Ross is the 44 Magnum recoil alot lighter than the 454?

I love both calibers and guns.

@@357Franknitty The felt recoil of the 44 magnum with a max load, is actually close to a 454. The felt recoil of a 400 grain 454 Double Tap round is the the most powerful felt energy of recoil of any pistol cartridge. The 44 actually comes in second. The 500 S&W falls short in the recoil department even though it is a much bigger cartridge. From my personal experience, the 44 mag max load is painful in the palm of the hand. The 454 is painful in the carpals or the knuckles of the hand. After so many rounds, both calibers give the hands minor bruises in the different areas I mentioned. But I absolutely love both of them equally. If you like pain and power, I highly recommend both of them. Now obviously if you buy general range ammo for both these calibers, these recoils are not that bad, but if you want to feel them at their full potential, buy the max loads and +p+'s. You will not be disappointed with the pain.

Nah, it is differences in sectional density. The .454/.460 has a .452in bullet and at 300gr it has a an SD of .210, which is pretty low. The .44mag, with a diameter of .429 has an SD of .233 at 300gr, an acceptable SD for most game. Doesn't seem like a lot but when the minimum SD for a projectile for medium game like deer is usually considered .22x for sufficient penetration, that .023 difference can greatly effect penetration when using different calibers of the same mass. When testing penetration between cartridges that are fairly close in energy/velocity running the same projectile construction (.44 might pale to a .454 in the handgun world, but both are weak compared to rifle calibers so they really aren't too far apart) the best procedure is to match SD values for the projectiles in each caliber. In this case a 325gr would probably equal the .44mag. It would have an SD of .227, so the extra velocity of the .454 would put them neck and neck. A 335gr (.234 SD) or 350gr (.245 SD) would really start to pull away and show greater penetration than the .44. When comparing any caliber against another in terms of terminal ballistics, sectional density is by far the most important metric. Mass, muzzle energy, and velocity should compared after determining projectiles of similar SD. Things like BC, which is greatly overhyped to sell rifles/specific calibers, is almost entirely useless before getting out past 200-300yd, and even then BC has no bearing on terminal performance; a higher BC just helps retain velocity and energy, that's the only way it's relevant to the long-range hunter. I know you didn't mention BC, but I get so sick of hearing about it that I had to mention it, lol.

No…. He used a 460 to shoot the 454. The cylinder cone is not opposed properly to the end of the case allowing a small amount of gas to escape from the rear of the cylinder. With lower pressure rounds like a 38 spec fired from a 357, this is less of a problem. IMO the testing of the 454 with the 460 is invalid. Get a proper 454 with a longer barrel and I’ll believe it.

These are hunting pistols. Do you need expansion and penetration, not much difference between the two at all. Not worth going out and buying which ever one you don't already have.

These.aint " shooting an intruder" rounds... These are pistol rounds designed for hunting large game.. touch one of these off in your house at 2am and you'll never hear or see again

@@thealarmclock9307, What?

Since it has already penetrated thirty inches...

​@@valdo345jr thats what she said🤣

The recoil was crazy 😂😂😂

Hater lol. You’re saying he’s gotten bigger and more comfortable with his personality

yep.. much more funner to watch now.@@Caden080

Probably married now 😅

Why are you losing velocity on the .454? The powder continues to burn while the bullet is making it's way through the chamber, forcing cone, and the barrel. I would think the slightly longer travel distance would help it burn more powder and go slightly faster. I'm no ballistics expert, though......

great point i would say in this case 44 mag red hawk is the winner . I'm surprised

Exactly same as the dodge charger/ challenger .

lol, I'm glad you liked it.

I have to agree

With the 44 going turning and going backward at some point, the .44 was not slowed as much as it would have been if the mushroom head had be leading. Also, it would not have created as much tissue damage.

A 460 has a 452 bullet diameter. 460s parent case is 454. There is nothing detrimental about shooting 454 from a 460

Robert explain the decrease in velocity. The 454 should have easily 50% more energy than a 44 magnum. I also see the neck of the 454 is actually bigger than the 460 S & W

@@michaelrooney3626 By the numbers .454 does have more energy. But energy is not the only variable in penetration. Energy, velocity, sectional density, and bullet design all play a big part in penetration. All I can see that's significantly different is 44 mag is .43 caliber and .454 is .454, given similar weights that means 44 mag has a longer bullet and more sectional density

You are factually wrong. 454 makes the same energy at 100 yards as 44 does at the muzzle in a long barrel and, as such, shoots much flatter and more accurately with more penetration and expansion at any given range. 454 is confirmed to have dropped the big 5+ hippo in Africa.

@edwardcollier5949: You may not agree with my opinion, but please expand on specifically what was “Factually wrong”. Owning a Rossi 92 for both cartridges, I can assure you the 454 provides no practical gains in realistic HUNTING scenarios, regardless of the details of whatever arbitrary hippo kills you may have come across. Has a .22 Short ever killed a hippo? According to Peter Hathaway Capstick, the .22 Short RAPIDLY dispatched elephants multiple times. Is a .22 Short now superior to the .44 Magnum, as well? Let’s dispose of the internet killing tales and address the practical hunting vs bear defense point I was making. I can guarantee you that you’ve never heard someone say “I’d have taken the shot on that deer, bear, elk, etc. if I had a 454 Casull, but I only had a .44 Magnum.”. Below 2000fps, there’s no effective hydrostatic shock. In hunting with cartridges of these speeds, energy that does anything beyond full penetration hasn’t been proven to be more effective (There’s your fact). Accurately hitting the vitals and penetrating them with a projectile possessing significant cross section are the only things that are actually known to matter. (another fact). That applies from 125gr broadhead traveling at 260fps to a 360gr .460 S&W hollow point moving at 1400fps. That is how I arrive at the OPINION that the 454’s realistic value is certain situations (convenience vs the safety of a 12ga) regarding bear defense. Unlike hunting, the most realistic self-defense shot will be head on, (vs an easier penetrated ribcage). Thick skull and dense muscle. Coastal black bear can get north of 500lbs and 999 out of 1000 will run from you. Bear #1000 is where that added energy of the 454 provides the comforting thought of sinking a heavy, hard cast projo deeper than the .44 Magnum. Good luck with your 454 Casull hippo hunt.

Thanks Buffalo! I will try my best!

Mine is exactly the same.

I was just thinking that! Haha I think he's much more comfortable to be more of himself on camera now. I also agree all the videos are great regardless. It's cool to see the evolution :)

Okay boomer

@@zacharylankford4812 Why do I get the feeling you wouldn’t insult my parents to my face?

Why do publishers insist on putting more than one word per page?

No problem! Thanks man!

Great picks man! Thanks and thanks for watching!

I like these old videos more.

That makes sense, yeah.

Not really...it expended further and could transfer more energy that way into the target, that's why it stopped earlier. Just compare the first impact. And you want your energy to go in to the target and not in the surface behind it. That's why HP are hard to compare on distance (it's rather a measurement how much energy is still there to harm bystanders), you compare it in energy transfer . FMJ would give totally other results

Thanks man! Glad you liked it!

Not really. He was using hollow points, which are designed to create immediate severe trauma upon impact, not penetration. Even without comparing ballistics, you can see the increased energy and violence of the .454 over the .44 mag. This energy is why the .454 mushroom is larger, is of lower weight and less penetration for identical 300 grain bullets. By design, the hollow point distributes the energy immediately upon impact, which you see in the video with the increased violence of the ballistics gel's movement upon impact, including the table underneath. Clearly the .454 is far more powerful. If you are looking for penetration, then put a flat nose hard cast bullet in there and the .454 will destroy the .44 mag as well. So, the .44 mag having more penetration here is a result of less energy displacement at impact. The bullet retains more weight, remains smaller in diameter, does not slow down as rapidly, hence penetrating more. That's actually a bad thing.

I just got a ruger 44 mag with 3.75 barrel and im hoping im not losing alot of velocity with it being so short. I would assume its all in the round... Like using a faster burning powder with a heavier bullet.. Does that make sense?

LEM or match trigger

His inner "ham" came to the forefront in the last couple years......these older videos are more informative, but his later videos are much more fun😋

So young. So quiet. So much smaller!

he wasnt holding the gun properly what so ever

That's awesome man.

@Emmanuel Goldstein some parts yes , for security reasons

he asked whats yoiur favourite glock

@Bertholdt me too

you are just a loser with a small dk trying to compensate, but no caliber is gonna fix that...

Nice burn. 👆 I was thinking that I wanted a 500 Smith & Wesson but now I'm going to get a 454 just because they're still very powerful while still holding six rounds and being more affordable.

See alot of frame and cylinder issues with SW 500 and 460 where gun is useless after 3 to 5 hundred rounds they're quality has went down hill and x frame is junk

Thanks! That is pretty sweet man!

Wow, that's crazy! That's why, when handling bigger calibers, you load only 1 bullet at a time until you can control it. A lady double tapped a s&w 500 and it came back and almost blew her head off!

Sounds like an awesome gun!

454 casull had higher velocity (can open hollow points faster ) and a larger surface area . Those two factors explain why it had a bit less penetration even though it was the more powerful round . This means it also dumped its energy better into the target.

@Andy Wilson Yeah, I understand Physics. I was just expecting more from this round. the test may have presented better using fmj's, but the test was about expansion not penetration. Although the .44 Magnum out preformed the 454 in both!

@@blankeny or a hardcast 454 vs hardcast 44mag , the 454 would definitely overshadow the 44mag . That would be a good video.

Question, do you even own a 454 Casull. And this is not story time...

@@blankeny im actually going to buy one , i shoot my friends 454 and his 44mag. I like both . So i do have a little experience with both caliber. No expert. But i have like the 454 a bit better.

Thanks man! I like it, but my wife didn't like what I spent on it lol! Yes I love the 454!

He was using shitty bullets for the .454, .454 is much better than .44 mag especially for bear.

I own both btw.

Caliber and grain have no relation, stupid is easy to find though

BFerry10 That is right. I would expect the shorter, fatter .45 to have a little more dramatic effect on the gel though, especially at .454 velocity. Super slo-mo of the temporary cavity would be interesting.

Dramatic effect on the gel in completely irrelevant imo. The goal is to reach vitals and they both had about the same penetration. After watching this video I'm convinced that anything bigger than a .44 Magnum is pointless. I think gun companies realized that they were losing millions of dollars because big bore revolver guys had no reason to buy anything else. They release a few new calibers and everyone goes running to the store to spend crazy money on a gun that's no more effective than the one they already owned. The .44 Magnum was getting the job done for over 20 years but suddenly we need bigger and better? Give me a break.

Probably a degree of truth in that but if you just want to poke a deep hole there are much smaller packages that will do it using FMJ. When the target becomes big and tough enough, the only terminal performance you can afford to prioritize is penetration because you need A LOT. For smaller critters though, I believe "dramatic effect" has the potential to put them down quicker. A balance of penetration and drama is probably best for thin skinned big game.

Yeah, if we're talking varmints I'll use v max bullets and make them explode. I was specifically talking about grizzly defense. To each their own. I guess it would be cool having a .454 Casull because at least you can also fire .45 LC. I forgot about that until just now.

Had a ruger super redhawk 454 7 1/2 barrel ,, I don't like glocks .

Yeah looking at the wound patterns the 454 looked bigger by a bit , so it would seem more of its engery dumped into the gel vs penetrating.

Thanks! Yes I was impressed. Thanks for watching man!

Well thanks man. Lol

Hey dummy, power doesn't equal penetration. The .454 did more damage.

Hmmm. Not sure how to reply to that young man. I hope you and your family have a good holiday.

More energy and more surface area. The 44 penetrated further because it cut a smaller channel.

Guns4Fun FreedomKeeper 454 was shot out of a 460 and may have lost some in the barrel

Look at the wound patterns the 454 dumped more energy to make a it bigger wound channels vs penetration. But both served their purpose though , any living thing in front of either would not be a live long .

Thanks for the support man!

Hey bud, I have some great news. I'll soon be moving out of the liberal, cesspool, anti-gun People's Republic of Maryland and finally moving to freedom in Kentucky, I can't wait for this to happen.

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I believe the 454 does outperform I

Pretty sure the 454 is always going to do better than the 44. Penetration doesn't matter when the bullet reaches past 12 inches, unless you care about over penetration

I get that the 454 is more powerful than the 44.I just figured it would show on this test.the 44 penetrated deeper than the 454.I figured it would have been much different than this.

@@josepheller8395 it may be due to the fact that the wider bullet of the .454 allowed the hollow point to open slightly better, bringing it to a stop faster

Watch the first block. There is a huge difference in how much energy the casul dumps.