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@seanmullin9655
@seanmullin9655 6 месяцев назад
I stumbled upon your video of "4 Men lost at sea" and then your video on the HMS Birkenhead came on. My great great parents arrived in South Africa on the Birkenhead. My great great grandfather was an military officer in the British Army and as such he was allowed to have his wife and two children on board with him. My great great grandmother and her two children were on the life boats and my great great grandfather remained on board. He survived by hanging on to floating wreckage but was separated from his family for a period of several years. Each believing the other to have died. They were reunited again when my great great grandfather arrived in King Williams Town. They had several more children. My great grandfather was on of the surviving children. Thank you for such a well told and factual story.
@bowenflob8036
@bowenflob8036 6 месяцев назад
Wow, amazing story!
@waterlinestories
@waterlinestories 5 месяцев назад
Incredible. Thanks for sharing
@firstnamelastname6216
@firstnamelastname6216 5 месяцев назад
Truly, truly amazing!!! So cool that your lineage has beaten such incredible odds!!! 👍✌️
@paulschofield985
@paulschofield985 5 месяцев назад
I’m from Birkenhead & used to work at Cammell Laird shipyard were HMS Birkenhead was built.. Haven’t watched this video yet just about too, already know the story & have seen photos of the memorial plaque at the lighthouse in Gansbaai..
@Nttmf
@Nttmf 5 месяцев назад
Truly incredible, it must of been harrowing times for those wondering if they survived or died. A movie could be made of this. However, those that lost their loved ones may make this difficult to produce. What a story. Shark infested waters, sailors and even horses reaching shore, is without doubt a feat on its own. But sadly we have to remember those that suffered and should never be forgotten.
@Phaaschh
@Phaaschh 5 месяцев назад
Although being aware of the Birkenhead's story, this is the first time I've seen it told in full. The fate of the survivors of USS Indianapolis is well known, but this horrific story is almost lost in the mists of time. Thank you for reminding us that the proximity of land in no way guarantees salvation.
@adambane1719
@adambane1719 2 месяца назад
They were all military so, no empathy for them, going around terrorising the world for corporatism
@captaindouchebag1703
@captaindouchebag1703 6 месяцев назад
I'm getting some USS Indianapolis vibes from this story. Thanks again.
@K9-Crazy
@K9-Crazy 4 месяца назад
I thought that very same thing
@islandblind
@islandblind 3 месяца назад
So did I.
@MsAppassionata
@MsAppassionata Месяц назад
Me too.
@trollwithoutcontent2788
@trollwithoutcontent2788 Месяц назад
Oh!! Well well, what on earth would give you those “vibes??
@CoIdHeat
@CoIdHeat 6 месяцев назад
What incredible discipline these men showed in the face of almost sure death.
@JZsBFF
@JZsBFF 6 месяцев назад
Working till one drops dead usually isn't part of any employment contract. Fear of financial repercutions and poor judgment, both mentioned in the video, is more likely. Welcome to Corporate Terror.
@deletdis6173
@deletdis6173 5 месяцев назад
Rule Britannia. 💪🏽🇬🇧
@garrywynne1218
@garrywynne1218 5 месяцев назад
The Kaiser of Germany had this read out to his troops as a demonstration of discipline and forbearance that he expected them to emulate.
@PsychoKillertheGame
@PsychoKillertheGame 5 месяцев назад
"Toxic Masculinity"
@jamesfloyd1864
@jamesfloyd1864 5 месяцев назад
No "almost" about it.
@yvettegarcia1037
@yvettegarcia1037 6 месяцев назад
Huh, YT algorithms did me right for once! Just logged in, had never seen a video from your channel, and this was JUST uploaded? That worked out great!
@jimwhelan4485
@jimwhelan4485 5 месяцев назад
I come from Birkenhead where this ship was built and it is still a matter of great pride to those of us that remember. The painting that has been shown several times is based in the Williamson art gallery in Oxton. Prominent in this evocative painting is the fourteen year old drummer boy who when ordered to get into the lifeboat refused because he was in his uniform. We do not know what became of him or even his name. Great documentary and many thanks.
@Spiegelradtransformation
@Spiegelradtransformation 2 месяца назад
So, your Grandfather was a child. What about Darwin ?
@jimwhelan4485
@jimwhelan4485 2 месяца назад
The wreck of Birkenhead is also were the “Birkenhead drill” was first used, essentially “Women and children first”
@scottessery100
@scottessery100 6 месяцев назад
I’ve been on the Birkenhead ferry many times. The Birkenhead drill The Albert dock u boat and zeebrugh raid 1918 make it an amazing day out
@dominicwalker1899
@dominicwalker1899 6 месяцев назад
Hats off to the discipline of the soldiers to keep their ground as the ship sank around them.
@Insp.CountMortisWinshipKlaw
@Insp.CountMortisWinshipKlaw 4 месяца назад
Well if they didin't they would have been shot
@kupus6622
@kupus6622 4 месяца назад
When is too late to identify as a women? Asking for a friend.
@alanvt1
@alanvt1 3 месяца назад
British soldiers.
@dominicwalker1899
@dominicwalker1899 3 месяца назад
@@Insp.CountMortisWinshipKlaw yes and no. There were enough soldiers that could have escaped without being shot.
@BarryHWhite
@BarryHWhite 2 месяца назад
That's the British Army boy
@jcd3869
@jcd3869 5 месяцев назад
Never knew Birkenhead's role in "women & children first". Great video thanks.
@timverrecchia1654
@timverrecchia1654 5 месяцев назад
heart-breaking story, i really love your channel your story telling is something else man. your naval experience really comes out in your lengthy detailed descriptions where if i closed my eyes I swear I could see it, some really chilling descriptions to.
@MoBoostZa
@MoBoostZa 6 месяцев назад
Thanks Ou. Yster as usual👍 Nogals a homeland story😁 And I know Gansbaai very well🎣🎣🎣, and you share true facts about the area
@beverlyreiner-baillargeon6205
@beverlyreiner-baillargeon6205 6 месяцев назад
Good Day to my favorite story teller😉😉 another great story. I am amazed of how many people/cargo can fit on those ships. Thank you ❤
@kingofaslav
@kingofaslav 4 месяца назад
The title to this video is very misleading. Not all of the men lost in this accident were eaten by sharks.
@djhome2412
@djhome2412 Месяц назад
They’ll do or say anything for views 😂😂
@K9-Crazy
@K9-Crazy 4 месяца назад
Thank you for sharing and telling this story, without people like you sharing these types of stories i feel they would be lost and forgotten history.
@Salty-cracker68
@Salty-cracker68 5 месяцев назад
Yay, the horses made it! (R.I.P. 1 horse)
@ArnoldJudasRimmer..
@ArnoldJudasRimmer.. 3 месяца назад
That 1 horse is a hero now throughout the animal kingdom... It was his great sacrifice, purpously breaking his own leg before descending into the murky gloom of those shark infested waters, that allowed the rest to make it to shore! What a true horse of horses! RIP
@mre1561
@mre1561 3 месяца назад
Read this literally as the guy in the video mentioned "horsepower".
@GODisWatchingYOU
@GODisWatchingYOU 2 месяца назад
444 people died and youre sociopathically caring about some horse. absolutely vile.
@Ammeo
@Ammeo Месяц назад
@@GODisWatchingYOU animals are more innocent than humans. thats why
@shadesofpurple7283
@shadesofpurple7283 6 месяцев назад
I love south African stories ❤ amazing video as always
@jeffgustafson4552
@jeffgustafson4552 5 месяцев назад
Possibly the most terrifying part of the ocean to be dropped into.
@donaldgoodinson7550
@donaldgoodinson7550 5 месяцев назад
I have dived on this wreck a couple of times.Always a scary experience.
@worwor1721
@worwor1721 5 месяцев назад
With all the sharks ? That’s scary
@josephsalmonte4995
@josephsalmonte4995 5 месяцев назад
You mad man. You couldn't pay me enough to swim in Great White infested waters.
@ChingChangWallah.
@ChingChangWallah. 5 месяцев назад
One question. WHY??
@Marshmobilise
@Marshmobilise 4 месяца назад
Balls of steel , my god
@yakacm
@yakacm 6 месяцев назад
For those that don't know Birkenhead is the other side of the river Mersey from Liverpool.
@deathbycheese850
@deathbycheese850 6 месяцев назад
I got a bit confused when he said Lancashire.
@cooldez1985
@cooldez1985 6 месяцев назад
@@deathbycheese850yeah, it was definitely part of Cheshire at the time
@yakacm
@yakacm 6 месяцев назад
@@cooldez1985Yeah I thought that, I knew Liverpool hads been in Lancashire until Merseyside was created, but it did cross my mind that Birkenhead had been in Cheshire.
@yakacm
@yakacm 6 месяцев назад
@@Steve_Sharpe You might say that, but I couldn't possibly comment, lol.
@jessicam5712
@jessicam5712 6 месяцев назад
I only know this because of The Smiths.
@MrPiccolop
@MrPiccolop 6 месяцев назад
The cape of good hope has so many wreck stories and gruesome fates.
@MikeHunt-fo3ow
@MikeHunt-fo3ow 6 месяцев назад
yea they should change the name lol
@alltheusernameswastaken8936
@alltheusernameswastaken8936 6 месяцев назад
This wreck was not at the Cape of Good Hope.
@MrPiccolop
@MrPiccolop 6 месяцев назад
@@alltheusernameswastaken8936 I know that. Was making an observation about south African sites in general
@festerofest4374
@festerofest4374 6 месяцев назад
@@MikeHunt-fo3ow 'Cape of Bad Sh*t'
@MikeHunt-fo3ow
@MikeHunt-fo3ow 6 месяцев назад
lol yep @@festerofest4374
@762Super
@762Super 3 месяца назад
Excellent productions! Incredibly informative while easy to watch.
@waterlinestories
@waterlinestories 3 месяца назад
Thanks, I really appreciate that
@Kedbuka
@Kedbuka 4 месяца назад
Very well done. Thank you for sharing this story. What a terrifying moment in time
@HandyMan657
@HandyMan657 6 месяцев назад
Glad I already ate breakfast. LOL Thanks for the episode mate.
@shadesofpurple7283
@shadesofpurple7283 6 месяцев назад
I wish i ate before i started watching, this made me really hungry 😂
@snlop3927
@snlop3927 6 месяцев назад
@@shadesofpurple7283 being hungry is the worst when there's nothing but women and children around :(
@mattchen6137
@mattchen6137 6 месяцев назад
@@snlop3927 eyyyyyooo lool 😂😂😂
@HogMan2022
@HogMan2022 4 месяца назад
What a great video. It's a heartbreaking story, but a great job of telling it.
@tedthesailor172
@tedthesailor172 6 месяцев назад
tragic and fascinating. Many thanks for sharing,,,
@treavorwhitlock5606
@treavorwhitlock5606 6 месяцев назад
Why does LT colonel Seaton look like 3 kids in a trenchcoat?
@FreeFinca
@FreeFinca 6 месяцев назад
😂
@SpectreGunship
@SpectreGunship 6 месяцев назад
After I've been bagging timothee chalamet as a childlike, weak looking leading man, he appears here, commanding the Birkenhead troops.
@rexkwondo21
@rexkwondo21 3 месяца назад
😂😂😂😂😂
@janetmariededick6061
@janetmariededick6061 6 месяцев назад
As a horse person I would have jumped on a horse because horses are good swimmers. I Used to swim my horses quite a bit and it’s easy to stay with them as they swim. I actually teared up listening to this story.
@frankjames7272
@frankjames7272 5 месяцев назад
the sharks will still attack your horse. And it might even panic.
@janetmariededick6061
@janetmariededick6061 5 месяцев назад
@@frankjames7272 still the survival rate is better on the back if of a horse And if a shark attacks the horse I can swim away while that’s happening!
@JamesKing-el3ry
@JamesKing-el3ry 5 месяцев назад
I was not aware of a horses buoyant attribute, how interesting
@scottyelder8351
@scottyelder8351 5 месяцев назад
You would achieve legendary status for such an outstanding survival move and I believe it would work !
@charonstyxferryman
@charonstyxferryman 5 месяцев назад
@@frankjames7272 Not-so-smart predators would think that 2 living beings close to each other (touching distance) are the same creature. If they don't know that creature they are more hesitant and cautious because it could be very dangerous.
@mauricedavis2160
@mauricedavis2160 5 месяцев назад
Excellent episode Sir, thank you!!!🙏😢⛵❣️
@drdangerstunts
@drdangerstunts 5 месяцев назад
Great video. Thank you
@ZimCrusher
@ZimCrusher 6 месяцев назад
great storytelling.
@mikerryan85
@mikerryan85 5 месяцев назад
Thank you for covering this. I mentioned this on Sharks Happen comment section a while back and I got criticized (not by Hal - the narrator) but by “RU-vid comment shark experts”. Thanks for covering this. I commented that it was the reason why it’s called the Birkenhead Drill aka “Women & Children first” but I got I got shut down by know-it-alls that didn’t want to admit that great whites had anything to do with the deaths. Glad you covered it, though. Also, I read there was a young Scottish soldier that gave his spot on the lifeboat he was on for another soldier struggling in the water. He gave his spot up for him. As soon as he got in the water - he was taken by a great white. Very sad, but again thanks for covering. I’m subscribing!
@jimjammy1788
@jimjammy1788 5 месяцев назад
I wouldn't worry too much about youtube shark experts, they all think GW's are loveable predators and all attacks are mistaken identity or investigatory even though a lot of those occur in clear water and the whole human is consumed..
@pfrstreetgang7511
@pfrstreetgang7511 4 месяца назад
They are really screwing with Hal.
@mikerryan85
@mikerryan85 4 месяца назад
@@pfrstreetgang7511Yea, they’ve been after him for a while. It’s a shame bc he’s just stating what we all know about these shark attacks.
@jimbeam7160
@jimbeam7160 2 месяца назад
Yup. No reason for that. This is how DHS operates to arbitrarily ruin honest tax payers.@@pfrstreetgang7511
@cynomain2068
@cynomain2068 6 месяцев назад
i didn't know horses were such good swimmers for 7 out of 8 to make it that far
@alltheusernameswastaken8936
@alltheusernameswastaken8936 6 месяцев назад
Google "Wolraad Woltemade". He made multiple trips with a horse in the ocean to save passengers on a sinking vessel. He died during this ordeal. This happened in Cape Town.
@sarielle85
@sarielle85 6 месяцев назад
Their large lung volume, relative to their mass, keeps them pretty good afloat in the sea, but they cannot propell themselves across or even against a stream. They're better floaters than swimmers.
@festerofest4374
@festerofest4374 6 месяцев назад
@@sarielle85 So if you mount a small outboard on one then you're fine.
@C-Here
@C-Here 6 месяцев назад
​@@festerofest4374😂😂😂
@peanutboxes4076
@peanutboxes4076 4 месяца назад
@@festerofest4374then use the reigns for steering 😂
@shellydesormier4646
@shellydesormier4646 5 месяцев назад
This is the first of your videos I have come across, I really enjoyed it. I love the descriptions, the visual aids, maps etc... and the subject told so concisely. I have never heard of this sea disaster before, what a nightmare way to go. You can’t put up a fair fight with a shark... the cold bastards. RIP to the brave sailors and soldiers and horse who perished. Thank you for this excellent video from W Nevada 🇺🇸 ☮️🌸🐚
@jackharrison6771
@jackharrison6771 9 дней назад
Thanks for posting this. I have been aware of this sad tale for some time. It occurs to me, that we could do with a little less 'stiff upper lip', sometimes.
@echo5delta
@echo5delta 6 месяцев назад
I’ve always loved the British calmness under duress. Even just 20 years ago you would hear them on the net while in heavy contact over in Afghanistan and the QRF guys wouldn’t even react to the TIC because it sounded like they were just giving a routine situation report. God Save the King!
@jhvorlicky
@jhvorlicky 6 месяцев назад
I appreciate what you say about the importance of the ability to stay calm under pressure but it has nothing to do with arbitrary nationalities. And he's not my king, he's a WEF Puppet!
@fukkitful
@fukkitful 5 месяцев назад
The British stoicism has been famous for centuries...
@MJW238
@MJW238 5 месяцев назад
Are there any empirical studies which show that people who are British are any more or less calm under duress than people who are not British?
@echo5delta
@echo5delta 5 месяцев назад
@@MJW238 I doubt it. Every country has people who are calm under pressure but the British accent just makes it sound way different I’m just guessing
@MartynCharsley
@MartynCharsley 4 месяца назад
​@@fukkitful It's also been a problem. During WW2 a US artillery battery received a call from British troops under heavy fire from German guns. When asked how bad things were the Brits, who were being absolutely hammered to hell told the American on the radio, "Things are a bit sticky". The Americans therefore, and perfectly understandably, directed their efforts to what they understood to be more pressing issues. The old stiff upper lip makes for great Boys Own adventure stories, but poor buggers end up dead.
@hamentaschen
@hamentaschen 6 месяцев назад
"I'm gonna go get the papers, get the papers."
@MikeDuckwall
@MikeDuckwall 5 месяцев назад
Proud Navy Veteran here! Great story about a terrible disaster. May God have blessed their souls! Something every Sailor thinks about in today’s Navies. But, fortunately, almost never happens! Great narration, by the way!
@yanni2112
@yanni2112 4 месяца назад
USN MM2 3 ships 12 yrs
@Asbestosman123
@Asbestosman123 6 месяцев назад
To take your chance in the thick of a rush, with firing all about, Is nothing so bad when you’ve cover to ’and, an’ leave an’ likin’ to shout; But to stand an’ be still to the Birken’ead drill is a damn tough bullet to chew, An’ they done it, the Jollies - ’Er Majesty’s Jollies - soldier an’ sailor too! Their work was done when it ’adn’t begun; they was younger nor me an’ you; Their choice it was plain between drownin’ in ’eaps an’ bein’ mopped by the screw, So they stood an’ was still to the Birken’ead drill, soldier an’ sailor too! Soldier an' Sailor too: Rudyard Kipling.
@Jewclaw
@Jewclaw 4 месяца назад
Gah your channel is sooo good. Such great story telling
@cpgood9971
@cpgood9971 5 месяцев назад
Great story! Love the shark stuff
@paulbennett4415
@paulbennett4415 2 месяца назад
In the autumn of 2007, a historical society I belong to visited the Royal Hospital Chelsea, including the museum. (It's group visits only for the entire establishment.) In a glass case, there were, and presumably still are, some buttons salvaged from the Birkenhead and I distinctly remember seeing one with the number 2 imprinted on it (Queen's Regiment). It was most poignant to see these buttons, knowing that all who had worn them had perished in a horrific way, but had still done their duty. R.I.P. to all those brave souls 🇬🇧.
@akskdfj
@akskdfj 6 месяцев назад
Bro, love your channel 🔥🔥🔥
@pedrorockyss
@pedrorockyss 13 дней назад
I once faced danger by surfing in south Africa cape town right where Bartolomeu Dias ship expedition also suffered a shipwreck, however, I had no courage of participating in a surfing championship. Greetins from Guaruja, Brazil!
@GhostRider-eq3ki
@GhostRider-eq3ki 5 месяцев назад
every single case was a mistake sharks thought they where seals 🤷‍♂
@holgerpetersenn9915
@holgerpetersenn9915 6 месяцев назад
A new video, you saved my day
@joshuavanniekerk3609
@joshuavanniekerk3609 5 месяцев назад
Very interesting video, can you please list some sources you used , Especially concerning the information about the sharks eating them , thanks for the video !
@raven_1133
@raven_1133 2 месяца назад
Colonel Seton is an absolute gigachad. o7
@SaltedKillick
@SaltedKillick 4 месяца назад
At 10:25 in your video narration, the ship pictured is HMS Wellington, 1st rate of 131 guns in drydock at Keyham, Devonport, England 4th March /1854. The figurehead on the prow, and upper deck and vent stacks for the 780 hp engines are the dead giveaway. Enjoying the video however.
@cliffcampbell8827
@cliffcampbell8827 3 месяца назад
I had no idea that the whole "women and children first" had an official name. I always thought the Birkenhead drill was some kind of unwritten Maritime law of honor amongst sailors throughout history.
@HarryFlashmanVC
@HarryFlashmanVC 2 месяца назад
King Frederick William of Prussia was so impressed with the self discipline of the British soldiers he ordered the story to be read out to every regiment in his army.
@eddelves6318
@eddelves6318 5 месяцев назад
For reference, Birkenhead is not in Lancashire. It would have been part of Cheshire then and is currently in Merseyside.
@philipcurnow7990
@philipcurnow7990 5 месяцев назад
Exactly. Just posted this myself.
@2msvalkyrie529
@2msvalkyrie529 5 месяцев назад
Yawn....! Pedant's Corner is the curse of RU-vid . !
@Moonrunner58
@Moonrunner58 5 месяцев назад
I caught that too…….Cheshire born in Birkenhead. 👍
@LabiaLicker
@LabiaLicker 4 месяца назад
Baby Shark, doo-doo, doo-doo, doo-doo 🎶 Baby Shark, doo-doo, doo-doo, doo-doo 🎵 Baby Shark, doo-doo, doo-doo, doo-doo🎶 Baby Shark.🎵🎶
@scottbutkowski5803
@scottbutkowski5803 Месяц назад
Oh crap! You just had to go there, Didn't you!?...Baby shark, doo-doo, Doo, Doo, Doo...Damn, It took me five years to forget about that...
@LabiaLicker
@LabiaLicker Месяц назад
@@scottbutkowski5803 yeah your welcome
@scottbutkowski5803
@scottbutkowski5803 Месяц назад
@@LabiaLicker Serious, Its still playing in my mind!
@fatovamingus
@fatovamingus 6 месяцев назад
I love the story of the Birkenhead. It's a thing of honor to imagine. You could do another hour on it considering this is the days when men were press ganged into service and the" custom of the sea" allowed you to cannibalize the weakest in the Lifeboat. They ended that when these guys ate a kid in their boat and there was a McDonald's like right there.
@scottyelder8351
@scottyelder8351 5 месяцев назад
Man those old school English sailor's are absolutely solid !
@Davey-Boyd
@Davey-Boyd 5 месяцев назад
Most on the deck were soldiers (it was a troop transport). But yeah I agree with you totally!
@andrewhall7176
@andrewhall7176 5 месяцев назад
Oh, hey, a fellow South African! Hello!
@waterlinestories
@waterlinestories 5 месяцев назад
Hey. 🤜🏻
@sonsoffalstaff2600
@sonsoffalstaff2600 5 месяцев назад
Lieutenant Colonel in the British Army is pronounced Lefftenant not Lootenant. Apart from that this was very interesting. Thank you.
@arthurbrumagem3844
@arthurbrumagem3844 5 месяцев назад
Would bet there were more sharks species involved than GWS
@scottmeredith3359
@scottmeredith3359 6 месяцев назад
I can’t wait to find out if the shark had a “no women and children” policy… that title leaves a lot of options open 😂
@oganvildevil
@oganvildevil 6 месяцев назад
It was buck sea-son.
@icosthop9998
@icosthop9998 6 месяцев назад
I think I read somewhere in/on the net internet. That sharks think human vaginas taste very terrible 🤢 I will check and give you a link.
@irrelevant9023
@irrelevant9023 6 месяцев назад
Lazy editing for sure
@johnhurd72
@johnhurd72 6 месяцев назад
@@irrelevant9023”the women and children got into the cutter.” The women and children got into a separate boat and didn’t get attacked. It’s not lazy editing it’s just the truth.
@Pointyish
@Pointyish 6 месяцев назад
Every woman and child survived in the cutter. Written on the plaque.
@AlwaysReason
@AlwaysReason 6 месяцев назад
Ships have poop decks. Good to know in case of emergency.
@walterdavis4808
@walterdavis4808 5 месяцев назад
Thanks
@zenmonjoshin9996
@zenmonjoshin9996 5 месяцев назад
Sorry to ask and not to be contrary but I didn't hear where the 444 were confirmed to have been consumed by sharks?
@michaelpaliden6660
@michaelpaliden6660 5 месяцев назад
Nor I
@kennyjohnson366
@kennyjohnson366 5 месяцев назад
The sharks said among themselves . Leave the women and kids ! Just go after the guy's !
@ald1144
@ald1144 6 месяцев назад
I wonder if I would have that kind of discipline, to keep station on the deck like that.
@C-Here
@C-Here 6 месяцев назад
Same... Very brave imo...
@LabiaLicker
@LabiaLicker 4 месяца назад
Good video
@josephsalmonte4995
@josephsalmonte4995 5 месяцев назад
Хорошее видео, спасибо 👍
@maryriley6163
@maryriley6163 4 месяца назад
Thank you! I guess that must be where the saying about being made of “Birkenhead Stuff” comes from and what it means.
@cw4608
@cw4608 6 месяцев назад
Here is no chance of getting me on a ship or a sub. There is something terrifying about the thought of dying by drowning or by shark. I will take my chances with the earthquakes and forest fires that occur where I live.
@marcusmaher-triskellionfil5158
@marcusmaher-triskellionfil5158 4 месяца назад
I mean if you're going to sink anywhere, off the Gaazibi Coast, SA, near Dyer Island, where even today the numbers of GW sharks are legion, you couldn't have gotten a more frightening place, it was as if the dinner bell was raised and all the GWS set out to feast...truly tragic.
@gillmanningscox9662
@gillmanningscox9662 4 месяца назад
Always enjoy your excellent videos. May I remind you that Birkenhead is in Cheshire, not Lancs. And it’s pronounced with emphasis on ‘head’. Sorry if this is pernickety, but I live there!
@begbieyabass
@begbieyabass 2 месяца назад
My Great Grandfather was on this ship, but was one of sick that was left at Simon town SA. That's why I exsist
@TheENALDO
@TheENALDO 4 месяца назад
I googled various websites about this event and couldn't find 1 confirming that all the 400 deaths were by sharks
@thomas_dries
@thomas_dries 6 месяцев назад
Holy cow!? I"ve never been this early to a release before! Hope this story doesn't wind up as scary/devastating as it sounds. :( Edit: Wow! I didn't even draw a connection to the ships name and the Birkenhead Drill. As a vet myself I can tell that the kind of discipline that would be required to stand at attention aboard a sinking ship does not come easy.
@Ian-mj4pt
@Ian-mj4pt 2 месяца назад
Took boats to get repaired in gansbaai when i worked at sea . Beautiful fishing village with the pilchard factory. Igrew up in Port Elizabeth
@SleepyBarbecue-vz4vj
@SleepyBarbecue-vz4vj 2 месяца назад
Excellent show...i say..what,what
@Shitboxforyou
@Shitboxforyou 5 месяцев назад
From Rudyard killings "soldier an sailor too": "To take your chance in the thick of a rush, with firing all about, Is nothing so bad when you've cover to 'and, an' leave an' likin' to shout; But to stand an' be still to the Birken'ead drill is a damn tough bullet to chew, An' they done it, the Jollies-'Er Majesty's Jollies-soldier an' sailor too! Their work was done when it 'adn't begun; they was younger nor me an' you; Their choice it was plain between drownin' in 'eaps an' bein' mopped by the screw, So they stood an' was still to the Birken'ead drill, soldier an' sailor too
@Stan-lq1ep
@Stan-lq1ep 6 месяцев назад
This looks really interesting
@pavlovsdogman
@pavlovsdogman 4 месяца назад
The birkenhead drill was replaced about 35 years ago, the modern version states "invalids, children and physically compromised people first", adult women and men are expected to depart together now.
@The_ZeroLine
@The_ZeroLine Месяц назад
Thank god I’m an invalid!
@richardkeilig4062
@richardkeilig4062 5 месяцев назад
Brave mates and soldiers.
@user-hp4fn9uq3j
@user-hp4fn9uq3j 5 месяцев назад
They should change the name "Cape of good hope" to " Cape with an incredible amount of sharks", "The Birkenhead drill" by Kipling is a favorite of mine, "soldiers and sailors too...."
@johnholmes6897
@johnholmes6897 2 месяца назад
USS Indianapolis. No actual count could be made but the survivors said well over 90% of the sailors that went into the water were eaten by Tiger sharks. Sailors have it rough. If they get in trouble, the trouble is just starting.
@michaelmartin9022
@michaelmartin9022 День назад
A compassionate enemy sniper might not fire if you're wounded, or saving someone. The sea doesn't care about you at all.
@xxxxxx-tq4mw
@xxxxxx-tq4mw 2 месяца назад
A lot of the soldiers on that ship were hungry Irishmen trying to escape the so called "great famine" their motivation for signing up in the first place.
@natalie9884
@natalie9884 5 месяцев назад
New subscriber, love your channel, thank you! I have always hated the women and children first bit
@ThePalaeontologist
@ThePalaeontologist 2 месяца назад
It is such a harrowing story. I've known of this incident for several years at this point, though some of the story is still debated. Exactly what species of sharks were involved, for instance, has been a matter of speculation. I would fully agree that Great White Sharks were definitely involved, but there is no survivor testimony to categorically prove they were. There could have been a mix of sharks there, including Bronze Whalers as well as Great White Sharks. The majority of the men of HMS _Birkenhead_ were likely drowned before they were eaten. Body parts washed up on the coast of Gansbaai for a while, and it's obvious that the sharks were feeding on corpses of the drowned as much if not more than the corpses _they_ had made themselves. There were most definitely many dozens killed by sharks, in the chaos, though. Perhaps not hundreds, but I wouldn't be so sure either way. It wasn't just a matter of swimming 2 miles to shore. For a lot of those men, it was more like 2.8-3 miles to shore, and they also had to contend with a kelp forest along large stretches of the coast. The prospect of even being in the water with dozens of Great White Sharks is horrific enough, and modern Marine Biology understands that where you find one or a few Great Whites, as new drone footage in South Africa has proven, you'll likely see quite a lot more than that (dozens or more) congregating. Throw a sinking ship into the mix and obviously it's a real nightmare on the cards. The men in the water mainly would not have taken formal swimming lessons and being largely a troop transport, they'd never have been expected to. This was still a time in which most of the _navy_ could not swim regardless of risking their lives day in day out on board the ships of the Royal Navy, worldwide. The men of the British Army may have been expected to ford a shallow river from time to time but not to swim 2-3 miles to shore in waters full of sharks. Even for the Victorian stiff upper lip that was expecting a bit too much of anyone. What people should realise about the kelp, is that it can easily tangle you up and I'm wondering if any tired men reaching the kelp near the shore, were panicking and tangled up in kelp and drowned/eaten while struggling to get out of the water. It's not just a matter of reaching the shore you have to reach a section of the shore you can get out of the sea from. And along the coast there'd be several metre high rockfaces near the kelp in places, and they'd have to risk excruciating dread trying to find their way out along the coastline, likely while being watched by sharks the entire time. It is genuinely one of the most disturbing stories in maritime history. Another aspect you came close to mentioning I'm sure, but did not mention, was the fact that the horses were put into the water before the men hit the water, because there had been numerous incidents of horses fatally kicking people in the head and body on other sinkings of ships, with horses being commonly transported and so it not being uncommon for horses and humans to go into the water at roughly the same time during other sinking incidents. Obviously a half a tonne of horse thrashing around in front of a person might cause some unfortunate accidents. Equine kicks can be fatal and even when slowed down in the water. And imagine you're stuck in the water with a small herd of horses, and the panic they are going through, and imagine then trying to avoid all their hooves thrashing around. It's little wonder that pre-1852 in the case of this incident regarding HMS _Birkenhead_ in particular, that fatalities to horses in the water were possible. If you got knocked out by a horse you'd probably drown anyway in the chaos of a sinking, and I'm sure that has happened to dozens and dozens of people over the millennia regarding the sinking of ships. Suffice it to say, the British were aware of the potential for this happening and reluctantly would have forced their war horses into the sea beforehand, almost certainly drawing the attention of some sharks to begin with by doing so, but for the sake of avoiding unnecessary injuries with horses hoof kicks. When the horses had got a bit of distance from the ship, they then followed. As for the horse with the broken leg, I have seen no written reports which specifically mentioned Great White Sharks taking that individual animal. It most likely drowned and was then eaten, like so many of the men. It's quite possible that the sharks were confused by the horses long limbs thrashing and I wonder if any sharks went up to have a nosey and then got kicked in the nose by accident? It's not unlikely given what was going on and how many sharks were clearly around. And it's worth remembering that the sharks would have been arriving as time passed in greater numbers, drawn to the comotion, and yes, eventually the blood in the water. Colonel Seaton was so very young, and was never seen again after the ship broke up. He was a very brave lad and it showed the best of British discipline that he would not risk the women and children on the lifeboat. He knew they'd get swamped, so had his men stand to attention to the beat of the drum. Literally standing to, until the ship broke up under their feet. It's moving stuff. It is rumoured that the 8 horses which made it to shore out of the 9 horses, were the progenitors of a population of wild Gansbaai horses noted to have been local to the area for many years after the sinking. Whether this is true I cannot tell, but it is a good story. The idea being, this British war horses were mating with local wild horses and were not rounded up and brought back to British towns. I've seen some claims that a few of them were recaptured but I can't tell if they are just rumours. Another part of the story that must be contextualised, is the fact that most people at the time would have a rather limited understanding of Marine Biology or specifically shark behaviours, and even half a century later tourist boards in the USA for instance, were openly claiming, with 'Natural History Museum approval', that sharks 'don't attack people'. Shortly afterwards, the infamous Great White Shark and Bull Shark attacks alone the US eastern seaboard, which inspired 'JAWS' aka the 1916 Jersey Shore Shark attacks, amongst others, were happening. Bathers on Floridian beaches and elsewhere, could be told point blank they were in no danger, and they'd be sometimes eaten alive swimming 50 feet offshore for instance. There are numerous shark attack case file reports showing incidents like this. Back in 1852? When most people couldn't even swim and compulsory swimming lessons from childhood were long, long away from being a thing in Britain or anywhere else? Well, those poor men had no real chance of even vaguely understanding what was really in that water. Stories about sharks would have been around for centuries. Sailors and maritime merchants weren't stupid. They knew there were man-eaters in the water. Incidents directly involving the Royal Navy personnel in the Caribbean, had been known for at least a century by 1852. In those cases, probably Tiger sharks or Reef sharks. But not without some potential for Great White Sharks, as well. [part 1 of 2; part 2 in reply to myself below has a little bit on the Battle of the Saintes 1782]
@ThePalaeontologist
@ThePalaeontologist 2 месяца назад
[part 2/2 - The Battle of the Saintes 1782] An often forgotten, massive naval battle between Britain and France, called the Battle of the Saintes in 1782, saw numerous sharks feeding on corpses thrown overboard and in the case of at least one ship, attacking men who fell into the sea. During the slugging match between the gunnery platforms of the great ships of the line of the Royal Navy and the French Navy, the French had been throwing many bodies overboard. They had been carrying many more crew and troops as they were caught and drawn to battle by the British when they were themselves attempting to invade the British held islands in the Caribbean, following their immensely pivotal contribution to the events at the Siege of Yorktown 1781. The French had gotten a little carried away and thought the British would fold in the Caribbean and were surprised to find Admiral Sir George Rodney waiting for them with the most modernised (copper-hulled) fleet in the entire Royal Navy. They defeated the French rather profoundly. De Grasse, the French Admiral, was the first French Admiral captured by the British in naval history. And it was a serious defeat checking the ambitions of the French in the Caribbean; in retribution for what had occurred at Yorktown prior. Even more ironically, Lord Charles Cornwallis - whom was captured at Yorktown, fatefully, in no small part thanks to De Grasse blockading him from the sea and cutting off his escape route out of Virginia - had a brother called William Cornwallis, whom was serving in the Royal Navy. He fought with great gallantry at the Battle of the Saintes and earned the admiration of the entire fleet. Some noted that he was almost avenging what had happened to his brother, the previous year. William Cornwallis was commanding HMS _Canada_ a third rate ship of the line, of 74 guns. However, the sharks menaced both sides. During the main phase of the fighting on the 12th April (the battle had technically been going on since the 9th April, when the copper-sheathed British ships had caught them; lots of gunfire exchanges and various naval manoeuvres later, the main fighting happened on the 12th April) 1782, the British pursuing the French and closing them down to bring them into a gunnery battle in line (and indeed, breaking _through_ the French line and capturing numerous French ships), _both_ the British and the French observed that sharks were swarming around their ships, drawn to the scene by the commotion and blood. It's also likely the loud noises from the cannonade exchanged between both sides, and the distress and screams of the fighting and the dying, also helped in that macabre regard. Making it far worse was the fact the overcrowded French ships soon had many bodies on their decks, so they started throwing men overboard to free up space. And it's even speculated some men may have been thrown into the sea _half dead_ (mistaken for dead but only badly wounded; if so, to drown or be eaten alive) By 9pm, a fire broke out on board one of the captured French warships, the César, while a British prize crew had boarded her to deal with the situation. That, being some 58 men from HMS _Centaur_ whom were deployed to handle the capture of the 400 or so Frenchmen still on board the César. The fire was caused by the French themselves by accident, after they had broken into the liquor storage below decks, where most of them were concentrated, hiding from the British on the top deck. The fire got out of control and eventually, by 10:30 pm, the _magazine_ itself exploded. This tore the César apart, as depicted in the 1804 painting by Swiss painter, François Aimé Louis Dumoulin, _The End of the César_ (or Fin du César) This immediately killed many men; with many others jumping overboard to avoid the explosion only to drown or be eaten by the sharks below. 400 Frenchmen and 58 British (all 58 of the prize crew sent to capture the ship) were killed in this manner. How many by the explosion, how many by drowning and how many by shark attack, is unknowable. During the entire battle, the British lost 243 killed (including the unfortunate 58 from the incident on the César) and 816 wounded. 2 captains out of 36 British captains involved in the battle were killed, whilst no ships they commanded were lost. The highest casualties were on HMS _Duke_ with 73 killed or wounded, including the death of Lieutenant Rowland de Cerjat. The total French casualties have never been explained, stated or proven, but 6 of their captains out of 30 were killed in the battle, and Admiral De Grasse was captured. In terms of soldiers and sailors, estimates range from 3,000 killed or wounded and 5,000 captured, to up to as many as roughly ~3,000 dead, 6,000 wounded, and 6,000 captured. In addition to several French ships captured, others were severely damaged, limping away under fire. The undeniable reality is that the sharks must have been feeding on hundreds of bodies during this battle. It does make one wonder, how many battles like this had large numbers of sharks following to attack stragglers, to feed on those thrown overboard or to opportunistically go after anyone they could? It really is unsettling. The idea of pre-trawler fishing shark laden seas, potentially thousands of sharks, following two great fleets hammering each other with broadsides. You'd perhaps be forgiven for thinking the sheer noise of fleets of warships fighting each other would scare them off. Apparently it just agitated them and sent them into a feeding frenzy. Modern revisionists and do-gooders would like you to think sharks can't be so 'inclined' so to speak, though make no mistake; they were following those fleets and taking who and what they could as food. It's very grim indeed.
@evilqtip7098
@evilqtip7098 5 месяцев назад
Beautiful
@geoffreyquirk6201
@geoffreyquirk6201 5 месяцев назад
I dont think Birkenhead has ever come under " Lancashire " it was however " Cheshire " until 1974 ish . Birkenhead is and has always been known as part of the " WIRRAL "
@rawdog314
@rawdog314 5 месяцев назад
Correct,Merseyside since 1974 and cheshire before.
@stephentouchegibson5874
@stephentouchegibson5874 5 месяцев назад
Correction: The town of Birkenhead has never been part of the county of Lancashire. It’s on the Wirral Peninsula on the Western bank of the river Mersey, the river being the old dividing line between the counties of Cheshire and Lancashire. Birkenhead was part of Cheshire up until 1974, becoming part of Merseyside up to the present.
@nostoneunturned7641
@nostoneunturned7641 4 месяца назад
Uh oh... someone's got wikipedia up in here 😂
@davelister2961
@davelister2961 Месяц назад
So it's _now_ part of Merseyside (not a county)... which *is* part of the county of Lancasire ... so Birkenhead, contrary to your first sentence, is now part of Lancashire.
@philippgro4978
@philippgro4978 4 месяца назад
Such a good video ❤
@4exgold
@4exgold 5 месяцев назад
incredible that even the strongest of men could swim those 2 miles given not just the distance, but considering how frigid the waters there are. There's also the sharks and it's all in darkness too.
@TheRogueSquid
@TheRogueSquid 4 месяца назад
It’s amazing what you can do when you’re properly motivated and a little lucky.
@SaltedKillick
@SaltedKillick 4 месяца назад
it was very common during the Age of Sail for sailors being unable to swim - especially 18th Century and before.
@voornaam3191
@voornaam3191 5 месяцев назад
When a sailing ship is leaking, what you should always do, is trying to cover it with a sail. Use ropes to get and keep the sail over the hole. This may not close the hole, but when you can pump out the water coming in, the ship won't sink. And when sailing, you must try to get the hole above the water, heave the ship. Repairing the hole would be great.
@connorqb1241
@connorqb1241 5 месяцев назад
if only they had you on board that night lmao
@billyrock8305
@billyrock8305 5 месяцев назад
Horses are incredible swimmers. Stay with the horse 🐴 Any sharks would not attack immediately. February is spelled incorrectly on the plaque from 1936. Excellent factually accurate summary.
@TheFailedmessiah
@TheFailedmessiah 4 месяца назад
Yeah because horses are huge animals, a shark wouldn't mess with it..
@mcapps1
@mcapps1 6 месяцев назад
Let me tell you the sad tale of the USS Indianapolis...444 is rookie numbers. The drowned were the lucky ones.
@peterwebb8732
@peterwebb8732 6 месяцев назад
The story is not in the numbers, but the discipline and sacrificial courage of the men involved. Not enough boats, so “Women and Children First”. The men stood fast while the ship sank under them.
@sheronasims6783
@sheronasims6783 6 месяцев назад
Not really. Indianspolis story is boring now. Been told 1,000 times
@philipcurnow7990
@philipcurnow7990 5 месяцев назад
Lt. Colonel Seaton seems to be 17 years old.
@albertchehade9916
@albertchehade9916 5 месяцев назад
The Lt Colonel looks like a kid
@jamessimon3433
@jamessimon3433 3 месяца назад
Why am i just now hearing about this, absolutely bonkers
@JamesKing-el3ry
@JamesKing-el3ry 5 месяцев назад
I was not aware of a horses buoyant attribute 🐴 how interesting
@jonathanbailey1597
@jonathanbailey1597 6 месяцев назад
Yay!
@TheJudiBambiPurrsParadox
@TheJudiBambiPurrsParadox 5 месяцев назад
*I don't hear this story as often as the Indianapolis but it is just as horrifying.*
@maxholmgren7936
@maxholmgren7936 Месяц назад
ofc, not only shark infested waters but specifically great white infested waters, that's just perfect. It's the stuff of nightmares
@blehblehbleh86
@blehblehbleh86 2 месяца назад
I knew it was called the Birkenhead drill, but didn't put two and two together until this video. Wow.
@KonradvonHotzendorf
@KonradvonHotzendorf 5 месяцев назад
3:04 Hey the 🇩🇪 stealth ships we 🇿🇦 bought at great expense We have no use for them and all 4 are usually brocken in the habour😊
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