[4Kp60] Shannon Miller (USA) vs. Tatiana Gutsu (UKR) All Around Program 1992 Barcelona Olympic Games 

Such a throwback and I love it!!! Seeing the unified team is such a blast from the past. All the girls were so incredible that night

A melhor batalha dos jogos olímpicos, foi o duelo entre Shoushounova e Silivas em 1988.

I'm AMAZED

Yeah Gutsu probably deserved a perfect 10 on beam under 92 scoring standards or atleast a 9.975 and Miller a 9.85 at best.

Gutsu had two wobbles on beam and a step on the landing. No idea how she scored over a 9.9.

@@jodyalaniz So by your logic Miller with an easier routine and 2 much bigger wobbles than Gutsu's 2 tiny ones, should not have scored over 9.8 at best. Thanks for clearing that up, cheers.

Gutsu deserved a perfect 10 on beam and Miller with those two big wobbles about a 9.8. Yet Miller scored HIGHER than Gutsu on beam. Outrageously ridiculous judging. And dumb ass Miller fans think she was robbed of winning the AA.

Thank you! It bugs me so much when a person states, This should've been a 9.937. Like -- Okay, you wanted 3 of the counting scores to be 9.95 but one (counting) judge should have gone 9.9?? Makes no sense to me.

I would have given Miller lower than that on floor. With the easiest tumbling of all the top girls outside of Bogi, a big mistake on her 2nd pass unlike Bogi who hit all hers, and terrible form on her tucked full ins, a 9.85 would be generous.

Not on floor gutsu almost fell on that pass and most judges count as a fall anyway

ITA.

My scores. Gutsu- Vault 9.95, Bars 9.95, Beam 10, Floor 9.9. Total 38.800 Milosovici- Vault 9.975, Bars 9.9, Beam 9.8, Floor 10. Total 39.675 Boginskaya- Vault 10, Bars 9.85, Beam 9.85, Floor 9.95. Total 39.650 Bontas- Vault 9.95, Bars 9.75, Beam 9.8, Floor 10. Total 39.500 Gogean- Vault 9.975, Bars 9.8, Beam 9.8, Floor 9.9. Total 39.475 Miller- Vault 10, Bars 9.9, Beam 9.75, Floor 9.7. Total 39.250

One of the best AA finals without a doubt. Regardless of who won.

Her beam really was out of this world for that time and still holds up

Gutsu could stick her full twisting Yurchenko whereas her DTY often had landing issues. I wonder if that is the reason why they took her DTY out.

Her opening pass on floor should’ve knocked her out of medal contention… that was a significant step forward and low landing.. no way she should’ve scored above 9.8

@@kundun5 and I could say the same about Miller’s double pike. By that time the Double Pike was almost a compulsory skill, and such a large bound backwards could be considered a bigger deduction than Gutsu’s step forward but they didn’t take it.

@@xxlistenxx2410 that step on her double pike was nowhere near as big of a deduction. It was a .1 step. also Gutsus vaults should never have gotten above a 9.9. She always had form issues… But I digress, cause floor alone should’ve ended her medal hopes.

Miller underscored on floor, LOL! Miller was OVERscored on floor clearly, not underscored.

@@tattoofixerstattoos Yes, she way over-rotated her double pike on FX. Not to mention she had two very decent sized wobbles on BB and her UB release moves had poor amplitude.

@@gk891 What score should Gutsu have received on floor? She truly could not have gotten any closer to a FIVE TENTH deduction; all credit to her for not putting her hands down, but you cannot get *that close* to a fall and only take half a tenth.

@@turbojon8117 I thought both Miller and Gutsu were badly over-marked on FX. I had Gutsu's FX scored at around 9.800. I am willing to give her a bit of leeway because it was on a new and very difficult skill, unlike Miller who took a big step back on her double pike which was a skill that had become almost compulsory by 1992.

Shannon should have gotten at 10.0 but overall she should have still been in 2nd place. Gutsu was not scored appropriately on UB and BB at all.

@@suzanne2663 And Miller was overscored on BB.

You two are clues Shannon should have won by a long shot!! Gutsu has that worst form ever!! That first tumbling pass was awful! She moved her feet on her beam dismount, bars her difficulty wasn’t close to Shannon’s. Vault is obvious 10 for Shannon all the way!! No commenting back unless you agree. 👍

@@johnhazel3551 You are delusional, and it’s apparent. You can argue with ignorance, but you can’t argue with stupid. Next, please.

@@gk891 Very much so. two wobbles with her shoulders completely going out of line with the beam. Judges could have hammered her but they didn’t. They could have also hammered her for her close catches and lack of amplitude on bars too but they didn’t. They also could have hammered her on Floor for that huge double pike step but they didn’t.

Now do bars and beam -- you have to watch each gymnast's routines first, FYI.

Agreed. First vault should have been a 10.0.

These days they need to pack as many high scoring difficult moves into a routine as time allows which doesn't leave much room for the artistry anymore. I think we all miss it.

Because today's gymnastics is all about power. 🫤

It’s because they no longer do any gymnastics on the floor they don’t do cartwheels or walk over or full trusting things. It’s all about these jump after jump, full twisting, jumping, and then tumbling there’s no in between no handstand or fun. It just sucks now.

and Shannon Miller had poor amplitude on Uneven Bars and two decent sized wobbles on Balance beam and should have received bigger deductions as well.

@@211jump What should Gutsu's floor score have been? How close was she to putting her hands down? That would have been - 0.5 right?

@@turbojon8117 Honestly, it’s based on the difficulty of the move. If your almost face planting on a double pike you deserve a -0.1 or more. If you’re doing a split leg double layout you deserve a -0.05. Tbh Gutsu and Miller deserved 9.90 on floor.

Saying Gutsu was overscored, let alone way overscored, on vault shows you are stupid and don't understand scoring at the time. 11 gymnasts or something scored 9.95 or higher on vault in the AA finals. Gutsu's vault was worth a 9.95 under 92 scoring. Miller on the other hand was overscored bigtime on both beam and floor. Gutsu was underscored on both bars and beam.

@@211jump By the way, Gutsu should not even be in the AA final. She performed badly in the preliminary round and was behind 2 of her team mates. So the Unified team sacrificed her younger team mate Rozalia Galiyeva so that Gutsu can be in the final. Galiyeva was very bitter about it although it was later revealed that these 2 split the prize money from the gold won. So scandalous.

Gutsu definitely deserved to outscore Miller on bars (and beam) -- just compare their Gienger + overshoots and their Tkatchevs.

With the scoring back then and they’re difficulty, all four of the routines for both of them started at a 10.0. It’s just deductions from there.

Yes she had her best bars routine of the entire Games but inexplicably got her lowest bar scores of the Games, and somehow this is being overscored. You Miller trolls are a hoot as always.

Underscored on floor??? 🤣 That first landing was definitely a full tenth. Don't throw unnecessary risk if it's gonna look like that.

She sure was

And??? Who do you think the Ukrainian/Soviet/Russian commentator favored? How do you think commentators keep their jobs?

I would agree. She landed very low on her first tumbling pass. But I think Miller was grossly overscored on both BB and FX.

Not nearly as overscored as Shannon Diller was on floor.

@@cullerjones Please explain. Was Miller's second pass vastly easier than Gutsu's second pass? How close was Gutsu to putting her hands down on her first pass? Do you know what the deduction was for putting your hands down?

@@cullerjones Yeah Miller should have scored even lower than Okino on floor considering her tumbling was nearly as simple, her choreography much more boring, and she had huge landing errors which Okino had none of.

First of all she’s not Russian. She’s Ukrainian. Get that straight. Soviet does not equal Russian. Gutsu’s beam routine were leap and bounds better than Shannon’s. Shannon was overscored on BB with those two big wobbles. Gutsu’s difficulty was out of this world for 1992.

I agree. Shannon’s floor was better. Her vault was better. Shannon had a better meet and should have won.

@@211jump She's a Ukrainian woman of Moldavian heritage, correct? Judging by her last name, she seems to have at least some Moldavian/Romanian descent. And yes, Gutsu's BB routine was way better than Shannon's. I also think her UB was way better as well as she had much bigger swing, much better amplitude on her release moves (Shannon caught her release moves with bent arms each time), and a much bigger dismount (Shannon's dismount hugged the high bar). I hated both of their floor routines though. Both had landing issues on at least one of their tumbling runs. Both should have scored no higher than 9.850 IMO on that apparatus.

@@gk891yes but in this era they weren’t judging like that lol that is todays judging style picking apart every move. In 1992 they judged based on the quality of the overall performance

​@@gk891 partially Jewish?

that part!

I like how Miller fans bring this up all the time but literally Bela Karolyi made Kerri take out skills in her Beam and Floor to make sure that Zmeskal would qualify to the All Around. People act like it’s so scandalous but it’s not at all. Galiyeva was unreliable and inconsistent and it showed in National results…

It was normal back then Rosa was less experienced and gustu was a favourite to win the whole thing Rosa wasn’t even expected to medal

@@Anthony-lp1jn normal doesn’t make it right. Stop trying to make excuses

It was easier to cheat back then

Gutsu caught her Geinger with bent arms

@@aldeshunwilson2564 yes, but had twice the amplitude in her two realeases that were the same ones as Shannon’s

@@aldeshunwilson2564 Not to the extent of Miller though.

They were both out of 10.0. It’s just deductions from there in that old system.

Just say what you mean. The gymnasts, TODAY, are more determined, muscular, and women of color. THESE WOMEN COULD NEVER COMPETE WITH TODAY'S WOMEN!!!

@@3709angel Ha Ha Ha! Have you ever seen that Simone Bile's legs were not straight? Her body form broken or her toe point missing? The body posture has to be at the right position so that a gymnast could do the movement right. It is just as simply as that. Those who got body forms broken were trying to use muscle strength to cover the movements they cannot fully accomplish. It is not about the muscular or color or any blah blah blah things you mentioned. It is about not doing a routine with a beautiful and also correct method.

@@3709angelActually Gutsu could compete today very easily. Her routines are very difficult. She’d no problem adjusting her routines to the new CoP and still could be very competitive.

No it made no difference as the judges didn't even deduct for them as they should have. Which is typical Miller, Millers mistakes are ignored, while others like Gutsu's on floor are deducted.

Miller fans are bum. Most are homeless.

Have you competed in gymnastics?

Gutsu’s big mistake on floor and they didn’t even take .10 off. And Shannon’s first vault should have been a 10.

😂😅

Miller on no planet deserved a 9.95 on beam or 9.9 on floor. Both should have been a minimum of a whole tenth lower. She certainly did not even deserve to medal in the AA but like her whole career got overmarked.

@@grantgoffin4774 what????

@@grantgoffin4774 What did Gutsu deserve on floor?

@@turbojon8117 Higher than the 9.8 Miller deserved, and higher than that by more than the 0.025 she was in actual time. Thanks for playing. I don't waste time with Miller fanboys, the dumbest fan base on the planet other than Seles fans.

Not really. Shannon’s amplitude was really weak on bars. her BB had two big wobbles and Gutsu had the hardest beam routine in the whole competition and had good amplitude on all her skills. Her dismount also was done in a very complex combination. Gutsu was underscored on BB. I can agree that Shannon deserved 10.0 on vault but she didn’t deserve to beat Gutsu.

Gutsu far outdid Shannon on every event but vault, and Miller getting a higher score than Gutsu on beam with less difficulty, less amplitude, and 2 major errors was a much bigger joke than Miller not getting a 10 on vault which I agree she deserved.

Gutsu and the Soviets aren’t Russian… Gutsu is Ukrainian

Between two floor routines, Biles went out of bounds once in Fort Worth ( - 0.1 ). Is that what you consider "all over the place"?

This must be the most absurd, and crazed opinion I have ever heard… This isn’t vault event finals. This is something called the All Around final.

@@211jump Agreed. While I think that Shannon should have scored a 10 on her vault, I thought she was overscored on beam and floor. I also didn't like her UB routine as her release moves had little amplitude and were caught with bent arms. I actually might've switched Miller with Milosivici.

This is the most delusional comment I’ve ever seen about this AA final…

@@gk891 Milosovici and Boginskaya both should have beaten Miller without question. If all 3 were American, Miller does not even medal.

Got it, singer -- you've never compared their bars or beam routines and you never will. Gutsu was vastly overscored on floor considering she almost fell.