The problem with this guy apposed to the boxing guy is the boxing guy is not leaning one way or the other. He’s just giving the pros and cons of both. This guy is all about Jiujitsu being perfect. NOTHING is perfect.
@@franklinmbeans dude in case you didn't notice the video he's reacting to is talking about self defense for street fight sure it'll be good if it's purely a 1on1 fight but for multiple against one boxing is the best option
Give the guy a break. He has only been doing BJJ 3 mo so of course he is going to be more comfortable with Boxing but he sees the value of BJJ and respects it enough to train the shit out of it. Good for Tony🎉
I was boxing in my youth, my older kid just started boxing ones per week and he is doing BJJ twice per week. My younger one doing only BJJ twice as I don't want him to be punch in the head to early. Boxing give you advantage if you have more then one opponent, BJJ has more control.
You can survive without BJJ in a street fight. You can’t survive without boxing or knowing how to use your hands. And even if it ends up on the floor you’re getting head stomped by his friends. Or getting a knife in you or something. I like boxing because it teaches distance and explosiveness and it keeps me moving and when you’ve been training as long as me you can hit really fast and get out of the danger zone quickly. I don’t think you want to be on the floor rolling around.
@@artair70 yeah because everyone has a nuke in their back pocket 🤦. My point is mma is the best base for self defence because you can adapt to the situation. If he has a knife use a teep to make distance and possibly knock the dude down then run away. If not, bjj/grappling is very overpowered in a 1v1 and can spare you the trouble of getting sued for assault if you simply restrain the attacker until police arrives
Street fights are very rarely about self defence. They're about drunk people with ego problems. Hitting people on the chin runs a very real risk of them hitting their head on tarmac and you going to prison. Punching people in the head a terrible idea unless absolutely necessary. 95% of self defence is about getting out of fights.
I'm a Muay Thai coach here in Bangkok, Thailand, and I can certainly see the benefits of Bjj and can see how it would round out my self-defense .I did try a class, but I just felt so uncomfortable having sweaty men lying on top of me , I know it's not a gay thing, but it was a shock to my system and just completely grossed me out .
Ya I took a bjj class to been boxing for a couple years felt the same way guy that was rolling with his face sweat was just dripping all over me 🤢 going to try a judo class more standup
Anyone who agrees with you ( no hate) should probably go get in a fee street fights. No holds barred. See how uncomfortable you really are with someone who knows grappling or grappling+stand up.
Regarding your argument on clinching, Muay Thai is great at teaching you how to handle the clinching that happens as a part of a striking sequence. Sure, learning Judo takedowns and BJJ for after you have taken someone to the ground. But as far as standing clinching alone is concerned, Muay Thai is way better than BJJ. Even UFC fighters back in early 2000's had no idea what to do against the double collar tie initially.
Which just means that if you don't have boxing experience someone might hurt you badly in a flash because the person with the highest chance of seeing a sucker punch coming is obviously none other than a boxer. Most physical assaults involve alcohol and if you are a red blooded male, sober and lift weights you can stuff most "Grappling" simply by using your male strength and size as the average man is not a bodybuilder and is usually drunk when he attacks you. The drunk guy can still hurt you with a punch though so that's how boxing is useful. Even if you have a black belt in grappling, the punch is still the fastest way to get away from the situation as grabbing someone offensively exposes your vital spots to him and gives him time to produce a weapon, bite, headbutt, groin grab, eye gouge or just rain elbows on your face if he chooses to do that instead of fighting off your arms. You cannot protect your vital spots and submit or take someone down at the same time whereas in punching you always have one arm left to protect yourself and nobody is going to bite your fist or muscle their way out of a kick in the groin. Muscle ultimately beats grappling but there is no muscle on your jaw.
Ehh but that would mean anyone, trained or not, can knock you TF out. On the other hand, even for someone experienced the armbar is not a given. Which is bad as far as self-defense goes, very, very bad.
@@JohannesDonnerstich Everything becomes less or more likely after training, what's your point? Technically? It's true, period. Everyone has a chance of knocking you out, anyone, even a little girl's chances are higher than 0. On the other hand, the same little girl has no chances of out grappling me, absolute zero. Nothing needed on my part as well, she gets to close and her life get sqeezed out of her, simple as that. Do you remember what Helio was teaching in the first place?
Presenting the Brazilian type of Jiu-Jitsu as ‘Jiu-Jitsu’ is part of the issue. There are other types of Jiu-Jitsu that specialize in dealing with quick and complex pugilism.
That's a great point and something Ive often pondered as well Outside of a few months of karate training , I've never lived anywhere where I could avail of BJJ training . However , being the arm chair enthusiasts I was , I decided to purchase a hand book on Jiu Jitsu. But it was the Asian style at that time . I'd hadn't even heard of BJJ. , up to then. Anyways, I was very impressed at how comprehensive a system it was . I mean the Asian style included kicks ( mostly low and push style set up kicks ), punches , blocks , evasions , foot sweeps , throws including pin wheels , palm heel strikes , and joint locks and strangle holds . Granted , BJJ seems to have far more practical and easy to learn , joint locks and strangle holds . It's almost as if they refined it and specialized more on the ground control game . But in terms of basic self defence that encompasses a broad range of skills , from all the arts . And that integrates them all fairly seamlessly . The Asian style still looks like one of the best systems to me . At least , for the average joe . Unless one is prepared to spend a lot of money and time , studying many martial arts inorder to get the same knowledge and experience. Or are a amateur or professional, already training at MMA schools, doing Mui Thai , BJJ, Boxing etc .
Yeah, except the one that does that most effectively was filtered through Brazilian lineages. I've trained with a lot of JJJ guys. They were not very good at countering my boxing. I tended to strike faster than they reacted. The BJJ guys, however, at least knew about distance control, timing, and how to get close enough that my hands were less effective. Of course, I favor BJJ since I've done it the most, but my MMA training always meant competing against different types of specialists in their own martial arts to prepare for overall ability in the cage. But in truth, it makes sense that BJJ guys would be better at live resistance than JJJ guys. JJJ fell out of favor in Japan 100 years ago due to the consistent wins of Judoka in contests between the two. This effectiveness was due to the prevalence of randori and live resistance in training sessions. BJJ took that same effective training approach and applied it to the ground. That element of sport significantly amplifies the intensity of training and the ability of practitioners. I'm not saying JJJ can't counter boxers effectively. I'm just saying I've yet to meet a pure Japanese Juijitsuka who showed they could. The only one I met who could also boxed...
There are many types of Jui-Jitsu. For example, Kito- Ryu Juijitsu, Fusen Ryu Juijitsu, VSK Juijitsu, Small Circle Juijitsu, Japanese Juijitsu, Neseido Juijitsu, Danzaan Ryu Juijitsu, Sanuces Ryu Juijitsu, Vee Juijitsu, German Juijitsu, etc
i am a wrestler at heart and a third degree blackbelt in Luta Livre Vale Tudo, but i would also give the edge in street relevance to boxing. Remaining upright and mobile is the key to making it home safe. When tools are involved, lets say peeperspray, it is easy to picture a boxer using it against multiple opps, but once you commit to grappling, a controlled use of pepper, or any other tool becomes almost impossible
This whole video feels like some nobody telling me a battle hardened gold medal warrior is wrong Nah bruh You got no plan for that hook whenit comes except nap time
People have a tendency to dismiss Karate (and there is probably a lot of bad Karate do to the sport of "point fighting") but a lot of the Bunkai is standing control (and even a takedown with Knee on Belly for exampe) , example Godan Kata , My 1st Instructor (this was the 1980's, Black Guy from the "Hood", Ex Miltary and retired NYPD ....) taught the Hook Punch was to spin the shoulders and lock in a standing RNC (pull the person backwards to off balance them so they can;t Hip Toss You) but the main thing he taught was concepts, for example say that (spinning the shoulders) would never work , its the concept and you can do it with a arm drag , so its the very same concept as "taking the back" in BJJ ..... one of the main strikes for self defense was a rising palm heel to the bridge of the nose. I can tell you first hand, a friend of mine was attacked (pushed and the guy said I'm going to f*** you up) and after he was pushed, cupped his hand by his waist and nailed the guy perfect on the tip of his nose, the guy hit the sidewalk with a bunch of blood that spewed from his nose .... OSS
For Self Defense i for would suggest you to have some kind of weaponry training behind you, like stick or knife, to understand that distance and danger, also long distance striking to not even have to touch the attacker, yes Jiu Jutsu for sure if closer, or MMA Grappling. I'm a Black Belt in Jiu Jitsu and MMA Trainer, But i would NOT recommend going to the ground in a general street altercation, not even on top, there is to many dangerous factors like multiple attackers, environment, and different wear and gear. If going to the ground one way could be knee ride so you can see and get away if needed. If you happen to find your self on the ground then JIU JITSU is a MUST to know. I would say train a personal Mix Weapon, Striking and Grappling. Never train any Pure or Whole System. Train the Way you need to fight, and Fight the Way you Trained.
Like many insecure BJJ fannies, he’s too delusional and fragile to admit his sport’s obvious limitations; or disciplines he’d get annihilated in have any merit.
All depends on what you're up against. I spent a few years in prison, and I have seen many so-called MMA and boxers fight ordinary people. Where all this falls apart is when a guy pulls a blade and the person that's fighting doesn't realize he's been stabbed 10 times until he simply drops. I did boxing and karate most of my life, and it all works great when there are rules, but in the mean streets up against a real bad person who doesn't give a fk, then there are shortcomings with all these fighting styles. Going out in the streets and playing hero works until it doesn't, and the time it doesn't usually ends badly.
If you do bjj in a street fight you are going to lose. If you grapple instead you're more than likely to prevail. Bjj has numerous advantages of grappling that will work. The issue is striking....boxers strike each other so many times theres a serious advantage to being able to take a punch. Bjj guys more than likely will struggle with being hit....IF THEY DON'T CROSSTRAIN STRIKING. Bjj guys love to talk about the ground...but the ground doesn't favor either person...until you can self assess DAMAGES AFTER IMPACT. If the bjj guy is not severely injured after the fall...he has a serious advantage...but it has to be a gentleman fight( meaning 2 sane human beings are just in a disagreement) because if you start slamming heads into the ground or gouging eyes....it could be all bad. I am glad i do both bjj and boxing.... On the streets i am doing dirty boxing. If it goes to the ground i am using basic bjj to get to the top or stay on top and ground and pound. But i am NOT attempting anything outside of mount, rear naked choke, side control.....anything else from bjj on the streets would be insanely stupid.
The ground very much favors the BJJer and he's way less likely to get injured, having practiced being taken down and taking down every week for years. I've done BJJ in a street fight and I didn't lose. I also didn't cut myself on broken glass and I didn't get my head kicked in by his mates - he didn't have any as it was a 1-on-1 road rage incident. What happened was he was taken down quite gently, dominated, decided it wasn't such great idea to attack me afterall, shook my hand and got back on his way. That was a great solution. Much better than knocking him out, risking killing him and/or prison for assault.
PROS AND CONS: Boxing: while there is the "lucky punch factor" training boxing MINIMIZES the chance of you geting knocked out and simultaneously INCREASES the chance of you knocking out the other person. Boxing has a much smaller learning curve than BJJ so you will be able to defend yourself with it a lot quicker as where BJJ can take a year or more to gain basic proficiency. Boxing keeps you standing so you are not rolling around on the ground. Boxing can end a fight quickly and definitively via a KO or the other person realizing they don't like getting hit and quitting. Boxing is better for multiple opponents but i would certainly caution against it. IMO no fighting style is "good" for multiple opponents their are only some that are "better" than others. BJJ: BJJ enables you to take control of someones body, isolate them where they cannot move and pin or submit them. BJJ can take longer than Boxing to get to finish a fight but it your attacker is untrained you'd be surprised how quickly you can dominate them if you have a couple of years Jiu-Jitsu training. BJJ allows you to fight and win from the worst position you could find yourself in namely on the ground with someone on top of you. No other art teaches you tonfight on the bottom as good a BJJ. With BJJ you may be down but never out. Both Boxing and BJJ will make you stronger and faster which also gives you the advantage in a street fight. LEARN A BIT OF BOTH.
unarmed martial arts (espeacially wrestling) were developped, to mentain posture, balance and structure in a battle. In boxing and wrestling your first goal is to remain on your feet.......
although a good ground specialist like bjj will smoke a pure wrestler or judoka on the ground, i think that wrestling or judo give a stronger base for self defence....one high throw and opp is out
Too much time to complete a takedown,get a position, set up grips, get a submission and complete a submission. Jab,cross and within 2 sec it's finished
A lucky punch applies even moreso to a bgaygay fighter who doesn’t even know how to move his head before clinching! This guy defeated his own argument 😂
@@scd881 I personally haven’t witnessed a single fight ‘go to the ground’ on the street (besides when someone gets KOd from a punch), and I’ve witnessed dozens of street fights over the years. On every single occasion it’s been two guys swinging right hands at each other. This “90% of fights go to the ground” is Gracie propaganda BS.
@@mjm0787 maybe it is, but it can still happen which is why its best to be prepared. The last situation you want to be in is to be taken down by a bigger guy who sits on top of you while you have no ground game.
i'm the opposite. Blue belt in bjj but understand that boxing is by far more like a real fight. Ask yourself this, how many boxers do you know that would be too scared to spar a round of bjj? and how many bjj guys do you know who ever dare step foot in the ring?
@@jamietheroosterExcellent point; BJJ exponents who deludedly brag that their sport is better for self defence than other martial arts are always the ones too cowardly to step outside of their safe, padded dojo, where no one is allowed to hit them.
Boxing is all about footwork and that my friends will save your ass on the streets 10/10.. and a good right straight, but most of all a clear, focused mind. Depends if you train.. that's the point, a big majority of them does not, yet they are lied to think that thay are "Bangkok ready" or even worse that "their" BJJ will neutralize all froms of stand-up fighting.. and I know people who still think like that. BJJ community is the most delusional I have encountered in my entire life, even religious nuts not withstanding sometimes.
