I'm using Kinetic rope from miolle that i bought in amazon. This is an invaluable investment if you are into snowmobiling in remote areas with no cellular coverage. My wife and I were able to pull one of our 600 lb snowmobiles (they are absolute monster machines) out of a 3 foot deep snowbank at 8pm in the deep of winter, up in the mountains in pitch darkness! The kinetic rope allowed the recovery to go smoothly. Took less than 3 minutes to hook it up to the snowmobile still on the trail, and under 30 seconds to extract! Only other accessory you need is a pair of those U shaped loop things. Shoveling and trying to pull it out with a Snow bungee is for the birds! This was Effortless! We won’t leave home without it!
Used a kenetic rope over 20 years ago in Africa. Worked very well but bulky. Didn't do the aggressive pull like a snatch strap. Just put it under tension and pulled gently. Wonderful. ... Defender 110
The armed forces use big kinetic ropes to recover heavy trucks and tracked vehicles. BTW I also use mine with my rope winch to preload trees when felling them so they go precisely where I want them. I love kinetic ropes!
@@Comm0ut I was watching a few other videos and what I learned is that kinetic recovery ropes can be used many MANY times before they wear out. But the downside is they are bulky/heavy. However, a kinetic snatch strap is just as strong, but not as durable, good for maybe 10 to 15 recoveries before it gets worn out. Although the upside is it's really compact and lightweight. We chose the snatch strap, since we don't intend on doing terrain that would require many recoveries and we are very space limited (we travel with 6 people in the vehicle).
Thanks cobber anchor in boat usage situation works because of chain weight if you hand pull long chain over sand or even packed flat mud it's quite hard to do cheers good simple advice
Helpful information here. doubling the snatch straps does potentially double the dampening effect...not in percentage terms but we knew what you meant - good tip 👍🏻
Winch dampers full of sand are only good for dyneema winching. When a bag of sand is used on a snatch strap that fails, you have a heavy bag that likes to fly. They put big holes in windscreens. Also, when doing quite severe recoveries, put the bonnet on the bogged car up. It makes a very useful sheild and the bonnet will stop most things going through your windshield and tearing your face off.
I always appreciate your honest and presumably unbiased opinions about the 4wd culture. Look forward to anything you have to offer less uniformed 4wdrivers like me.
An old bit of carpet is great help in sand especially if you think you are towing a trailer, simply lay the carpet in front of the trailer and it won't drag in as badly
The biggest benefit of a snatch rope over a strap is that they are good for over a hundred recoveries. A strap loses its stretch after 6 or 7 recoveries.
9:23 you dont get 40% stretch, you get the same 20%(x2) for example 20' strap stretches 4'. 2 20' connected would stretch 8' which is double but twice as long. the percentage of stretch remains the same
I think what he meant is the distance the stretch is from the point the straps are taught to the point the straps stops stretching is 40% of the distance compared to just one.
@@navagiopoint without having ever used one myself and only having seen them being used on TV, i would say: they use it in denser ground. (not loose dry sand)
Starting to dabble in offroad adventures. Thanks for the video! I found this very informative. I need to get a kinetic strap or two. I have a tow strap, but this makes more sense. Time to go!!
Ronnie, I agree with your assessment and experience with anchors because you drive mostly on sand. Here in Scotland where its wet thick clay mud, this anchors work a treat. Although to be fair we have so many trees it's unusual to have nothing to winch off. The hardest part is the opposite to your experience : getting the bloody things out again afterwards. Sometimes difficult and always very messy!
Nice talking with Torben at the expo. You were chatting with the beard wax guy so I didn't interrupt. Glad you made it to our great state. Looking forward to seeing what you all do in Moab.
Nice stuff, thanks for your input. However 20% stretch plus additional length at 20% stretch (with another recovery strap) is still 20%. you just get additional length due to the extra length. If however you add a tow strap (3-8% stretch) to a recovery strap (20-30% stretch) you get additional length to put the recovery vehicle in a better position but little additional stretch. The system stretch is at a lower percentage but the same as your Recovery strap.
How am I suppose to jump through the video? It's ALL interesting and necessary information...if i jump I'm actually worried I missed something VERY important to know...great job!
I use Trac Grabbers . I put two on each wheel and they get me through mud . You need to test them . They grab on mud or sand. You have to go slow or they will dig in.
I have a land anchor, it works great. You could say that the design is similar, but way bigger when it´s deployed, and smaller when you have to put it away. Tryed it in sand and mud, by myself, just one person to do the job, and it works as it´s supposed to work. I used the "Pull Pal" once and it worked ok, but then I´ve built my own but a lot stronger... The only drawback... it´s the heavyest thing on my jeep.
Awesome video Ronny! Super bummed we missed talking with you at Overland Expo West this year. You looked swamped with fans so we will catch up later on. Hope you enjoyed the expo man.
Another great video Ronny :) I love having all the gear, but it weighs HEAPS and takes up a load of room in the D4...... can't wait to see what you have in store for your "Recovery Kits.... what to have and what to Ditch" video that's coming up!!! :) Cheers, Don (Dons Shed and Xplor Overland)
you EMPHASIZED that this was all YOUR opinion-- but from what I"ve seen on here... I will go WITH your opinion-- so far all I've seen is based on basic SCIENCE- and safety- and I value your opinion over others I've seen on here.. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK-- you're saving a lot of lives from stupid mistakes.. Very probably MINE too.
@@JustPete65 For Australia I believe a standard winch cradle is much easier as I haven't seen any approved system that install a regular tow hitch up front. The part you are searching for is portable winch cradle. The rest is just using a standard winch and having suitable Anderson plugs for the current. Winches can draw upwards of 400amps@12v.
Really great video Ronny! Were you at Overland Expo West this weekend? I was speaking with a rep for Redarc Australia and he said you were filming there.
Love this video, never thought of two bottle jacks but then again, I never had to use one yet. I have to disagree with the sand anchor though, they work great, problem is you bought a crappy one. The main problem is the angle of the main pulling bar on that unit that's all wrong. I have a Pull Pal, the original one, not the fake stuff and it's awesome and I've tested it in sand and snow and this thing digs like crazy. It's like Maxtrax's and the black crappy ones that break, same thing with the sand anchor, you just have to buy the right one.
Here’s a video request for you Ronnie is recovery gear maintenance I ain’t been able to find a video online as to the best way to care for clean and maintain your gear whether it’s straps or shackles or snatch blocks
those strap on wheels device should be awsome on steep wet grass... one day we had a 2wd truck on a steep remote farm paddock. rain came,,, couldnt get out in time .. the old man grabbed a chain and wrapped it around one back wheel one turn and secured it with a shackle.. it tore hunks of grass.. every time the chain touch grass the truck would inch foward untill momentum built. got out
Ah nice solutions there Ronny, however if you are dealing with GVM upgrades from the stock 2.5 tons/tonnes 7.5 tons would be a minimum standard snatch because you have to allow for twice to 3 times the weight of vehicle youe snatching or even towing. so if you are somewhere within 4.5-7.5 ton in GVM twice the weight 9-15 tons and triple the weight is 13.5-24.5 tom.. you most likely will be needing to ugrade your chassis rails to accommodate the towing and recovery needs i would also consider and a-frame towing linkage ,,,
Hi Ronny So helpful information about recovery gears. But you actually used the worst sand anchor I encourage your to try PullPal anchor it well amaze you how helpful it is especially when you be alone.
For a sand-anchor, you might borrow a Mantis marine anchor from a boating mate. With the right scope of line, they bury themselves in sand very well and are relied on by many boaters. I have one on my 23' powered catamaran.
Kenetic recovery rope anyway of the week. Yes bulkier but no obvious week fail point with a stronger more foolproof construction easier to clean and pack up extra stretch if using the appropriate size makes it easier on vehicles and easier to handle
I have seen videos of the Pull Pal (sand anchor) that show it works well in sand. Isn't complicated or difficult. Don't know if they are sold in your part of the world. Videos demonstrated in the fine sand in areas like Utah. Harder to drive in than beach sand so I assume they work in any sand.
anchors are very popular where I live and they work great. I think its unfair to review the anchor and those tire straps in such a soft and dry sand, because they werent made for it
When moisture is a problem use a ramp. there's no other option except a never ending chain. Personally I carry a pair of rubber Bobcat tracks, I always use granddaddy low and walk out you never run out, you don't want the track to flip and cut your tires.
My Grandfather drove around Australia in a Series 1 Landrover with a Kerosene fridge in the back - he had an axe, a swag and a gun for company. You lot have gone soft with all the shit you think you need.
got bogged to the axles two days ago in super soft sand in a Jeep and just jacked up each wheel with a bottle jack and put driftwood under them and drove out. Been bogged many times and only ever used a single bottle jack to get out. I have no room for even 1/4 of all that gear.
If the dampers were physically attached to each end they could act as steamers or parachutes and slow down the broken lines but they aren't, the reason you one in the middle is so you create a larger dip in the line so if something breaks on the right side it heads DOWN the dip into the ground and if something breaks on the left side it springs towards the middle dip AKA towards the ground.
Planning a road trip not expecting to go full 4x4 off-road except maybe a gravel track or compacted sandy approach road to a beach… in addition to usual tire changing gear… top 3-5 things to carry (not a winch)..?
Gday Ronny, first of all I just want to say I love your work. However may I Suggest that if you are going to do comparisons of the top of the range Matrax that you compare it to the the top of the range TRED PRO and not the standard Treds. Cheers
Hi Ronny thank you for the video great overview. I think in terrain where you have harder sand (like in Europe) the sandanker could work better, at those places the deadman would be useless because you need hours to digg that thing in. Best wishes for your US Trip.
Hi Ronny, The Sand Anchor is actually called a ground Anchor over in the UK, the Soil ground doesn't move as freely as the beautiful WA sand, Great video, love it
Just wondering if that folding spade with built in spike comes with an NSN. As the saying goes "if you're not shopping commonwealth, you're paying too much" 😂
Generally, if you have any type of pulley, it should match the diameter of the rope/cable. It will provide more support. Custom pre-fabbed recovery points seems to be more of an Australia thing. In the U.S. it seems to be(admittedly, I haven't looked in a while) hard enough to just find tow hooks. Even pre-1990 U.S. 4x4 trucks often did not come with front tow hooks. After that, they seemed to become standard equipment, tho.
Hi ronny... it's wonderful and very educational video for someone like me (newbies)... thank you... I need a favour from you.. can you make a video on the apperal ( shirt shoes glove and any other things on the body) shoes when entering mud, sand and rocks... summer, rainy, Thank you in advance
From South Africa. I wold like a chapter on spades. What length of handle, which blade is better, spade / coal-spade / pointed blade -shovel... personally i use a standard length shaft with a blade that is both curved and poined.. However i have seen shafts of around 6' and at 75 i think that would be a big advantage.....Your thoughts ? RGDS Warren
I could see those anchors and blocks not working in sand. Where I live we got trees, trees, and more trees, so portable anchor points aren't really a thing.
It's "Kinetic" not kenetic, kenitic... and using 2 ropes don't give you 40% stretch but the amount of stretch (in meters) gets longer because one 10 meter rope can stretch to 12 meters, using two of them will give you 4 meters of stretch in total.
What are your thoughts on rear bumper winches vs front? Specifically in the context of Solo Overlanding. With enough gears I know it's possible to winch one self backwards with a front winch. But superficially, it seems a rear winch makes more sense for solo situations; if you get stuck alone, seems vast majority of time you're going to want to turn around, not go further into hazards.
Great content that you have been putting out! I'm just getting into light off roading because I have a ford transit high roof van that I lifted. What are your impressions of the Bush Winch? Would love to see you do a video on that. They have their own sand anchor. Would love to hear your input.