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5" 38 Gun Operation on 13 September 1951 during the Siege of Wonsan; Korean War USS Floyd B. Parks 

USS Joseph P. Kennedy Jr DD-850
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Video footage of US Navy destroyer USS Floyd B. Parks DD-884 on 13 September 1951 during the Siege of Wonsan in the Korean War. Shows 5"38 gun mount crew loading, cleaning, and firing the gun. Toward the end of the video, the crew loads and fires faster.
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@Cha-y412
@Cha-y412 2 года назад
First thing I noticed was the gun crew had no ear protection! My Uncle was a 17 year old gunners mate in WW2 on USS Astoria CL 90 5 inch forward twin mount. Astoria was involved in intense combat in the Pacific. My Uncle told me that the gun crews would stuff cigarette buts in their ears. In my Uncles case that didnt really work. He suffered almost complete hearing loss in his left ear and diminished hearing in his right. RIP Unc and the Greatest generation
@usarmy500
@usarmy500 2 года назад
My great grandfather was on a half track AA with quad 50 cals on it and he was hard of hearing
@Warhead-ds4dc
@Warhead-ds4dc Год назад
I thought they put cotton in their ears?
@Cha-y412
@Cha-y412 Год назад
@@Warhead-ds4dc I remember my Uncle one time telling me that he put cigarettes in his ears to try to help. I guess anything they could find cotton too . The USS Astoria CL 90 shelled Iwo Jima for over 48 hours non stop and only retired from the battle because she ran her magazines dry. My Uncle often sais if you wanted to become a rich man go to Iwo Jima and collect up all those spent brass casings that the Navy ships pushed over Iwo
@francisbusa1074
@francisbusa1074 8 месяцев назад
I have tinnitus in both ears due to too much gunfire in the Navy, with ineffective hearing protection. My dad, while aboard USS Bimingham CL-62 in the Pacific in WW II, had stuck his head out of a deck hatch just as a salvo was fired from a 5"/38 mount above him. The concussion blew him down the ladder and rammed cotton into his middle ear canal. He didn't realize it was in there. Later on while in the Engine Room on NO. 4 Throttle he was approached by his chief (I guess), and reprimanded for not responding to the engine order telegraph to change speed. He told him he never heard it. He was then sent to Sick Bay to get checked. The Dr. pulled out a wad of cotton. It had been in there for months.
@jrainey44
@jrainey44 2 года назад
I used to do that job. 5"/38 Gunner's mate from 1984 -1988. USS Bradley ff1041
@kenpowell3546
@kenpowell3546 2 года назад
Thank you !!!
@donlove3741
@donlove3741 2 года назад
Ff1040 had a 5/38 ?
@jrainey44
@jrainey44 2 года назад
@@donlove3741 yes. 1040 was USS Garcia and they also had two 5"/38.
@TP.Tripje
@TP.Tripje 2 года назад
Was it fun to do? It seems like a easy job as a young person but i know its not
@markcinco8405
@markcinco8405 2 года назад
I hope you had some safety gear besides jersey gloves. Southerland DD743 in the late 70s - I was an EM, but loading the magazines was a good time for the whole crew. Most of the salty GMs were ripped. Slinging 55 lb shells at 4 seconds per round should be a peloton thing. VA-wise, I gotta believe arthritis and tinnitus are common amongst gunners - and don't pay squat. Associated psych issues are usually granted Service Connection easier and are far more likely to range higher than the 10% max for tinnitus. Fair Winds and Following Seas, James
@eltonyancey6426
@eltonyancey6426 Год назад
I was a hot caseman on my DD in 1967 off Viet Nam.We fired about 4,500 rounds while there.Interesting times.
@gmgg424
@gmgg424 2 года назад
Finally a video of these guns from inside the mount. Worked on these guns aboard USS NEW JERSEY BB-62. 1983-1987. I always regretted not filming during a gunshot.
@mudhen24
@mudhen24 2 года назад
Battleship New Jersey museum channel just did a whole video on the ships 5 inch guns if you are interested?
@katzkatcher
@katzkatcher 2 года назад
in some of the things my dad had after he was killed ,there was a 5"-38 case turned into an ash tray.What were they used the most for & what kind of range ?
@billjenkins3660
@billjenkins3660 2 года назад
@@katzkatcher I know the range of the 5"-38 was about 10 miles. As to use, either anti-aircraft, anti-surface, or anti-land targets, depending on the shell used.
@billjenkins3660
@billjenkins3660 2 года назад
@@katzkatcher en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-inch/38-caliber_gun
@stonefree1911
@stonefree1911 3 года назад
Always wondered how those 5" guns worked.
@texascclp1445
@texascclp1445 3 года назад
Having never seen this operation before on DD878 it was certainly interesting to see the action that goes on inside the gun turret. only viewed the firing from the outside.
@jpkdd850
@jpkdd850 3 года назад
Ahoy USS Vesole!
@88mike42
@88mike42 2 года назад
Look at "Destroyermen 1970" here on u tube. Toward the end there's a good shot of the loading and firing operation aboard USS Gearing, DD 710.
@beckd02
@beckd02 Год назад
My dad served on the Vesole from 1948-1953. His battle station was the rear 5” gun.
@DenKHK
@DenKHK 2 года назад
First time I got to see a 5"/38 firing from the inside! Plenty of text-based info, diagrams and even still photos around describing the process, but few live vids. Nice, steady rhythm though not nearly as intense as vets described when fighting off IJN attacks (as others have mentioned, 1 round every 3-4 seconds - as this crew later achieves towards the end, but sustained - plus gun elevation constantly changing). One thing that immediately struck me was how casually the projectile man drops the shell on the loading tray, until it literally bounces (@0:20). They must have great confidence in the bore safety of the fuze O_o.
@johnwalsh4271
@johnwalsh4271 Год назад
If they were firing a shore support mission, the rate of firing would be slower while getting the rounds on target, then becoming rapid when ordered to "Fire for effect."
@txusmc69
@txusmc69 2 года назад
The Captain of the Sammy B said his two gun crews were firing a shell every 5-10 seconds during the legendary stand of Taffy 3. Thanks for this video bc it helps me closely understand what that actually meant. Those guys were absolute beasts in the face of certain death. God bless those men.
@Whiskey11Gaming
@Whiskey11Gaming Год назад
and to think, 12 rounds a minute (5 second reload) was considered the LOW end of acceptable performance from a 5"/38 gun crew. Depending on the mount configuration, short term rates of fire for a 5"/38 mount was upwards of 22 rounds a second (about 2.75 seconds between shots) with 15 rounds a minute being considered the max sustained rate of fire! Crazy how efficient the gun mounts are with motivated crews!
@jfbeam
@jfbeam Год назад
Plus all the men below decks feeding them. There's a lot in motion when they go to work. And it's pretty small working area. (tanks are even smaller.)
@txusmc69
@txusmc69 Год назад
@@jfbeam absolutely
@Crosshair84
@Crosshair84 4 месяца назад
@@Whiskey11Gaming The SBR, being a DE, likely didn't have the fastest mounts available. As you mention. It also, from my understanding, did not have radar fire control. So it could easily be a combination of cheaper 5"/38 mount and limitations of the fire control correcting for fall of shot that limited the rate of fire.
@markr.katzman3743
@markr.katzman3743 2 года назад
Boy...that brings back memories!!!! Forward officers qrtrs was just below and slightly back from the 5" turret...the first night of gunfire with the powder casings hitting the deck from the back of the turret had me thinking that I'd never get any sleep...oddly, I fell asleep and slept through night fire missions thereafter. 5"38 ...a wicked gun!
@SSN515
@SSN515 6 месяцев назад
We were so exhausted most of the time we could fall asleep standing in the chow line. I always hated the paint falling out of the overhead cableways onto me in the top rack every time they fired becuse our berthing compartment was under MT 52 aft.
@treyhelms5282
@treyhelms5282 8 месяцев назад
Very cool. Ty for posting.
@TexasBarnRats
@TexasBarnRats 2 года назад
Brings back memories. Had one of those on the US Coast Guard Cutter Ingham. Crazy how that video instantly brings back the smell of that gun firing.
@johncox2284
@johncox2284 2 года назад
I have a 5"38 shell casing that I got drying my time in CGC MUNRO. I remember how the whole ship shook when they fired the rounds.
@bogthing1
@bogthing1 2 года назад
I was in the upper handling room on the Morgenthau. Recall the EM walking around with a bag of lightbulbs replacing them every time that bad boy fired.
@TexasBarnRats
@TexasBarnRats 2 года назад
@@bogthing1 LOL! Same thing on a black hull firing the 3"/50. Also, the dust it stirred-up inside the front half of the cutter.
@bogthing1
@bogthing1 2 года назад
@@TexasBarnRats little flakes of paint, raining down. Later I got the gig as 20mm loader. That was a hoot.
@johncox2284
@johncox2284 2 года назад
@@bogthing1 same thing in MUNRO. We knocked out light bulbs all over the place when they fired that gun.
@lemmdus2119
@lemmdus2119 2 года назад
That was my father’s job on the USS Laffey 1954 - 1957. He used to put the powder on the tray before it was rammed into the gun.
@ColKorn1965
@ColKorn1965 2 года назад
I salute your father! I visited the Laffey 2 years ago
@lemmdus2119
@lemmdus2119 2 года назад
@@ColKorn1965 Thank you! We were there two years ago.
@charlesmaroon8819
@charlesmaroon8819 2 года назад
Laffey is a HERO ship. Check out its station off Okinawa as a radar picket!
@lemmdus2119
@lemmdus2119 2 года назад
@@charlesmaroon8819 Yes it is. There was a special medal my father had to wear because he was assigned to that ship. I read the book about it.
@88mike42
@88mike42 2 года назад
My dad was first loader on mount 53 USS Iowa.
@sierraone9181
@sierraone9181 2 года назад
33k views. I think half of them are mine. Its just awesome. I love the old mechanized Navy
@judpowell1756
@judpowell1756 2 года назад
notice after 3:31 the gunner has the firing key held down because the gun fires as soon as the breach closes
@wheels-n-tires1846
@wheels-n-tires1846 2 года назад
I was wondering about how there seemed to be no pause between loading and firing...!!!! That makes sense!!
@dwightgrantham4579
@dwightgrantham4579 Год назад
My dad was a gunners mate on the U.S.S. Ammen DD527 1956 to 1960. He was a loader on the 3"/50 and the 5"/38.
@Eugene2ndW
@Eugene2ndW 2 года назад
I have heard the Japanese pilots thought the 5/38's were automatic as the rate or fire was so rapid.
@blurglide
@blurglide 2 года назад
I hear a good crew could get a round off every 3 or 4 seconds
@CorePathway
@CorePathway 2 года назад
@@blurglide so a Gearing with 6 guns is 90-100 rounds per minute, that’s two and a half tons of shells per minute. Yikes.
@AndrewGivens
@AndrewGivens Год назад
@@CorePathway It's not. That's theoretical. The maximum firing cycle was being maintained for only as long as the men had the puff to do it. During an air attack, there isn't that long a time to engage the target. You get an intense burst of 4-sec cycle and then the threat is through the ideal engagement envelope, at which point the gun crew are puffed out, Bofors take over and the 5" rate will slacken until the men recover somewhat & face the next attackers. The evidence shows that, during sustained firing in surface actions, the rate of fire dropped off to about half what the gun was capable of, because muscles. It was all about that half-dozen salvoes against aircraft - that's what the manually-loaded 5/38 was unbeatable for, not minute-on-minute sustained rapid firing. And that's why the shift to autoloaders happened very soon after.
@johnllamas1645
@johnllamas1645 Год назад
My 93 year old father was on your sister ship. USS ORLECK DD-886. He sends his greetings to all those that served. God Bless 🇺🇸
@davidmcleod7757
@davidmcleod7757 2 года назад
good weapon served the navy well former gunners mate 5th div USS Oriskany 74 76
@braininavatnow9197
@braininavatnow9197 2 года назад
Where can I get one of these? Seems like a great home defense gun. Can this be modified to fire full auto?
@B1900pilot
@B1900pilot Год назад
Really interesting to watch what the gunners are doing inside the turrets. With a good drill in place these fellows could really put a lot of rounds on target!
@MarkKBorders
@MarkKBorders 10 месяцев назад
At Atterbury Reserve Forces Training Center located in Central Indiana there once was a 5 inch Navy Gun range with 4 of these guns set up on concrete pads. They sat there for years after the Navy quit using them. 3 were later moved to the impact area, but the forth remained. To my knowledge it was never "De-milled" though 50+ years of Indiana weather probably rendered it useless. I saw it last in 2001.
@davidfarmer7397
@davidfarmer7397 2 года назад
How you all doing up at Battleship Park. USS Orleck still on hold, ready to go to the shipyard.
@comiwill
@comiwill 7 месяцев назад
Que nostalgia, alcancé a ser mecánico en DD portales y sus cañones 5/38 en Chile.😢😢😢
@jefferyhubbard3532
@jefferyhubbard3532 2 года назад
was this music playing for the Gunners Mates too ???? :)
@larsanderson3072
@larsanderson3072 2 года назад
That is still classified information.
@muddrudder2656
@muddrudder2656 2 года назад
the look you get when your gonna clean the entire gun. 1:47
@randyjohnson6845
@randyjohnson6845 Год назад
These guys are a little too rough loading both the projectile and powder case
@jonathanbaird8109
@jonathanbaird8109 8 месяцев назад
It's interesting that there's very little difference between the MK45 and an older, traditional 5 inch mount (besides the automation, of course). I figured that the propellant case was an expedience for the modern MK45 but I guess not.
@eskrima1
@eskrima1 Год назад
My father was in mount 2 on the light cruiser USS Atlanta cl 51 which was sunk during the naval battle of Guadalcanal Nov 13 1942
@philipbanks854
@philipbanks854 2 года назад
What is the name of that song
@randyjohnson6845
@randyjohnson6845 Год назад
Watch the video on the USS Salem..the fastest loading ever for a 8" naval gun..about 9 rounds a minute times 9...automatic
@thetr00per30
@thetr00per30 2 года назад
Send it!!
@RADkate
@RADkate 2 года назад
so does the rammer pull the shell out or is it just the extractor that throws it out?
@88mike42
@88mike42 2 года назад
Extractors pull the spent case from the breech. The rammer travels aft upon recoil, on the cam surface. it catches on the rammer release lever so the spent case can travel down the tray, under the rammer and out onto the deck. Note the gun captain "dropping the spade" back to ramming psn after the gun fires. You have to look close but you can see it. Put the playback on slow about 1:00. the mount captain reaches up and you can see the rammer come back down.
@philgiglio7922
@philgiglio7922 3 года назад
Bet it was LOUD in that gunhouse.
@shockwave6213
@shockwave6213 3 года назад
Probably not really that loud inside to be honest.. Each turret has 10 or so inches of armor, so that would greatly reduce the felt blast inside.
@withamarshview1436
@withamarshview1436 3 года назад
Hearing loss is a significant issue for veterans. Not just from big guns like this, but rifle fire too. Add to that engine rooms and other machinery. Those on flight deck had the deafening roar from jet engines. Oh, and don't forget your friend jibber-jabbering while you're trying to sleep.
@charletonzimmerman4205
@charletonzimmerman4205 2 года назад
@@withamarshview1436 I got out of "JURY DUTY", cause of my NAVY , hearing loss, so not all bad.
@jrainey44
@jrainey44 2 года назад
We had some ear muffins inside the gun but most people didn't wear them. I wouldn't say it was drastically loud. Rifle fire hurt my ears more for sure. My gun mounts steel plating was probably 3/8" thick at best. My 5"/38 was on a Destroyer.
@gmgg424
@gmgg424 2 года назад
Biggest issue for noise were the electro hydraulic drives. Gun mounts on Battleships were 2 1/2 inches thick. Served 4 yrs on New Jersey. Worked on 5” 38. Noise from blast not as loud as you would think.
@paoloviti6156
@paoloviti6156 2 года назад
The 5"/38 gun had a quite fast reloading cycle as well seen on this very interesting footage. The only question I have isn't there danger of sagging the barrel after some quickfire of rounds?
@sockchanger
@sockchanger 2 года назад
I dont think there is danger for barrel warping from heat, as barrel is thick and spent casing absorbs good amount of heat and it is immediadly ejected, wich brings cool air to the barrel.
@paoloviti6156
@paoloviti6156 2 года назад
@@sockchanger thanks for the info 👍
@waterloo32594
@waterloo32594 2 года назад
@@paoloviti6156 if the guns began to overheat, the deck crew would hose the barrel down with a fire hose. But they would have to fire a whole lot of rounds to heat the barrels to that point. There is reports from ships of the paint peeling or blistering off from the heat caused by sustained fire, especially during air attacks, when the crews would try to put as many rounds down range as fast as possible.
@paoloviti6156
@paoloviti6156 2 года назад
@@waterloo32594 that's interesting info, thanks 👍👍
@eltonyancey6426
@eltonyancey6426 Год назад
The rifeling in the barrels would wear down after so many fired rounds and the barrels would be replaced.
@bustergutz231
@bustergutz231 2 года назад
So…. Clark Gable was a gunners mate ?
@88mike42
@88mike42 2 года назад
1:49...Rammer pump not on?
@YuanZhang-zb7pt
@YuanZhang-zb7pt 9 месяцев назад
5" 38 machine gun😁
@samstewart4807
@samstewart4807 2 года назад
GREAT MUSIC
@johnolive3425
@johnolive3425 2 года назад
Watch your fingers!
@davidepperson2376
@davidepperson2376 Год назад
Wow, those poor guys, I wonder if any of them could hear when they went back to civilian life?
@TheDustysix
@TheDustysix 2 года назад
The GM at 1:48 looks like Clark Gable,
@sterlingcripps2190
@sterlingcripps2190 2 года назад
That gunner must have lost his hearing. No ear defense.
@francisbusa1074
@francisbusa1074 8 месяцев назад
Yeah, I know all about that...
@Jim-ic2of
@Jim-ic2of Год назад
From what I've come to understand this type of weapon was used to great efficacy by USN during WWII. Eh?
@francisbusa1074
@francisbusa1074 8 месяцев назад
Very much so, especially deadly when firing projectiles having the VT Fuze. Torpedo planes and Kamikazes paid dearly.
@davidroby7290
@davidroby7290 2 года назад
No ear protection? They are deaf today
@88mike42
@88mike42 2 года назад
Not that loud inside the mount. Of course today they'd have eye, ear, nose and throat and butt protection.
@lovellrodriguez8567
@lovellrodriguez8567 2 года назад
Wish we could have one in our farm for the feral pigs that Would be the best farm implement we could invest in..we do have a mini gun a t f approved.plus we do offer helo shoots 2hrs of flight time rifles or your own 2ooo $and up.our service members and their families get head of line perks and a texas size discount .handicap.vets..no.charge..from us to you a big thankyou
@jimlassiter749
@jimlassiter749 2 года назад
And everyone without ear protection probably lost their hearing after the first shot....? As loud as the guns are outside, how is it that within the enclosure, the sound didn't melt their brains from the volume & concussive effects?
@Dave-in-MD
@Dave-in-MD 2 года назад
Actually it would be less loud inside. What is loud is the blast coming out the muzzle, inside the gun enclosure would black that. Not the it was quiet but it would be much louder outside.
@jimlassiter749
@jimlassiter749 2 года назад
@@Dave-in-MD That is amazing.
@4thforcon426
@4thforcon426 8 месяцев назад
Man who needs a gym!
@AndrewGivens
@AndrewGivens Год назад
This is fascinating, because it totally puts the lie to the notion that these guns fired every four seconds. That's the mythical 15rpm firing rate that encyclopedic works always quote. That's the 'mechanical' potential RoF, not the practical RoF. One of the things always talked about with the fabled 5/38 was the incredible firing rate vs the Japanese weapons. As this video shows, the sustained loading cycle was really eleven to seven seconds (5.5 - 8.5 rpm). But this is not what the legend tells us. Even retellings of Samar seem to suggest that the '15rpm' gun was "firing flat-out", but as one of our other commenters points out, USS Samuel B Roberts' gunners were obtaining firing rates of 6-12 rpm. And it's very clear that 12rpm would be impossible to maintain for long, before exhaustion or the attendant misfire brought it back down again. Even a 'mad minute' at 12 rpm would be unsustainable. And yes, I've done manual handballing before.
@tracygarner6798
@tracygarner6798 Год назад
Go back and watch the film from 3:41 and 4:00 and count the rounds. I think this matches the 'mythical' 15 rpm firing rate. Then consider that this crew was in the process of making a movie, not making a max. effort to put rounds out. 22 rounds a minute was not exceptional for a fresh crew, 44 rounds in the handling room merry go round 2 in the projectile hoists and two guns loaded to the tray waiting for the firing command, after that things would slow as more ammo was brought up from the magazines. Maybe the encyclopedic works are not actually wrong when quoting the firing rate of a typical crew.
@ramal5708
@ramal5708 2 года назад
Nice tutorial, I'll make sure I'm gonna do the same at home. Lol
@MrJest2
@MrJest2 2 года назад
Technically, there's no reason you couldn't - assuming you could find one of these guns for sale. Lots of people own fully operational artillery, tanks, etc. Very much a "rich man's game", and there are restrictions on explosive shells, but if you can afford it - bang away! 😛
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