The simple answer is no. The worth of art is lost to them if others don't know they have it. Even a simple thing as saying a wrong word to someone may result in them being found out. Humans can't affectively keep secrets.
@@kittenmeister7858 You’re right, when it comes to grander treasures, however, I am thinking about artefacts that aren’t written about, such as Roman jewellery. Wasn’t a piece of the floor mosaic from Nero’s Nemi ships used as a coffee table in a NYC apartment, going undocumented for about 60 years?
I'd guess we probably only have 50% or less of the ancient treasures that have been rediscovered documented. The rest were illegally sold to rich people to look at.
@@j.b.snicket1245 50% or more artefacts being sold illegally doesn’t sound too accurate a statistic to me. That being said, the illegal trade of historical artefacts is a great shame.
I am a student of Art History with a penchant for Greco-Romano architecture. I am also paralyzed from the waist down. Your videos are helping me to see the magnificent constructions of these empires and peoples that I do so enjoy. I am fraught with despair that I may never step foot in their hallowed halls, but am uplifted by the ability to view these spectacles on your page. Thank you very much.
I'm very glad that you enjoy my videos. For what it's worth, almost all the important sites and museums in Italy are now wheelchair accessible. I hope that you'll have a chance to visit them soon.
@@toldinstone That is good to hear, I am sure nothing can compare to the in-person experience. Do you give any lectures? I would like to sit in on one virtually, if at all possible. I will also be reading your publication after I finish the writings of Herodotus.
I know a guy who has regained movement after an accident (severed spine) by going on an all fruit diet and taking regenerative herbs. He is a student of Robert Morse N.D.
The thrill of discovery is with me every time I read or hear something new about history. I never get tired of it and even after living 73 years I wish I knew more. That is why your channel is so apricated.
there's also the sarcophagus of Menkaure, which in the 1800s sunk on its way to London, I believe. It's somewhere in the Mediterranean floor in a wreck.
@@gino7lord oh, if that's the case it is still out there somewhere, but finding this shipwreck is nearly impossible, as we don't know even where to start that process. Spanish Galeon in Mexican Gulf are rarely found after decades of searching for them even if we somewhat know where they sunk and people try to find them because they were filled with gold, and even if that's the case, 90% of those expedition ends with negative income.
@@dzonikg we somewhat known where he was, thats why only couple of days were need to find it on the sea floor. You should also knowns that titanic is in bad condition and it's deteriorating because of exposure to iron-eating bacteria. "In 2006, it was estimated that within 50 years the hull and structure of Titanic would eventually collapse entirely, leaving only the more durable interior fittings of the ship intermingled with a pile of rust on the sea floor.". I urge you to read about life of Mel Fisher and his crew which found Nuestra Majora de Otocha, Spanish galeon full of silver, gold and emeralds. After only days of this finding, three people from his crew were killed. After years of looking for and legal battles, he was really the only person that didn't lose on that discovery, and we talk about ship full of gold, emeralds etc.
Wouldn’t it be logical to assume that some of those statues found on the seabed were simply thrown overboard to save troubled ships in storms. If just a single statue big or smaller is found one can’t automatically assume that this is a site of a shipwreck. If a heavy cargo gets dislocated in bad weather, throwing some of it overboard would probably the only way to save the ship and crew.
@@tpl608 Your comment still doesn’t make any sense at all in relation to my first comment. Anyway, this treasure was found near the coast of Antikythera, nowhere close to the harbour in Potamos bay. My comment was about the heavy cargo shifting in bad weather and they could have dumped it to make it home. You might notice that there is no sign of a wreck. The comment stating that this is why harbours were built to protect from storms is so out there that one is lost for words.
how would they 'throw it over' if its that heavy? its not like they could lift it, and the cranes they used to load and unload are at the dock, not on the ship.
Ditto! Love the rating system! As a former Latin teacher and fan of archaeology, I love this site! The commentary is, as usual, hysterical: °The Visigoths, after all, loved their loot as much as the next barbarian°
When I was in grad school (late 90’s) the hottest, most sought after expertise in archaeology and art history, combined, was underwater excavation. Getting one’s certification to do the excavation required being able to be trusted with not only scuba gear but to survive the elements, retrieve information, withstand the locations for the whole of the excavation and not endanger others - it wasn’t just a situation where you jumped off a boat and went looking for dull metal objects poking from the sea floor - it was wildly popular as an adjunct for the archaeology students. And yes, that IS where they will find new sculptures as the Romans hauled off as many bronze artifacts as they could get their hands on! Marble copies are incredibly inadequate by comparison.
I love that your content covers interesting topics while remaining factual and with integrity. There is so many pop history sources that are just garbage.
Great episode! Any treasure that left a telltale rumor has likely been dug up, but private hordes could still exist in the ancient remains under cities like Alexandria, Rome, Naples, London and Istanbul. Remember when builders found a porphyry sarcophagus in Alexandria? People thought it might be Alexander the Great, and although it contained mostly sewage, it was terribly exciting.
Of all ancient wrecks some of the most interesting are on the bottom of the Black Sea. That's because of the sea's unique properties - the deeps in it are anoxic, that is - they have water without oxygen, meaning that the bottom of the sea is practically devoid of life, including bacteria and microorganisms. This means that anything that went down in these waters remains essentially intact. The area only came to attention in the 2000s, starting from discovery of essentially intact Byzantine wreck east of Sinop, with the intact mast and likely all of the cargo in place. Since that more than 40 wrecks have been found, although none has been explored. The potential is really immense - stuff like wooden crafts and maybe even cloth and other fragile goods could be preserved there with little damage. One can only think just how much historical treasure lies in those waters, yet to be discovered.
He said, "anoxic", which means: A condition in which the aquatic (water) environment does not contain dissolved oxygen (DO), Bacteria may be anaerobic, but water is anoxic.
Alaric's treasure has "Hoard of the Nibelung" written all over it. Meaning, it sounds more like a meme of Germanic folklore than any real event. "Dam river, dump treasure, kill slaves, wait for valkyries going hoyotohohoyotoho". Repeat wherever some major tribe hung about to bury chiefs or similar. 😆
"Dam river, dump treasure, kill slaves" is exactly what the dacian king Decebal did to hide his treasure from the roman emperor Trajan in 106 AD. However, the location was betrayed by one of the king's nobleman. A real event
@@bezahltersystemtroll5055 Yeah, numbers 4 and 5 somehow didn't work for Genghis Khan. 😆For his heirs it was more like: 4. Bury Leader 5. Continue Brutal Conquest 6. Profit 7. Fall Apart
Content like this surrounding lost treasures, or disappeared buildings etc is very unique to your channel, no other channel offers these kinds of videos. Please continue with similar videos!
I would add two more: 1) Alexander tomb: not the original building, but with some excavations we should be able to locate the foundations and at least the place where the sarcophagus used to be. 2) the "Adulitana" inscribed stela. Not a masterpiece of art, but an important testimony of both the Ptolemaic rule and later of the birth of Axum.
I wouldn't be too surprised if the sarcophagus of Alexander the great stills exists somewhere and the whereabouts of the mausoleum, obviously remains, will be found underneath the modern city...
The adulatian inscription would be a huge find probably the find of the century it doesnt just mention the ptolmaic influence in the region but right next to it sat another inscriptions by an axumite king which was also written in greek cosmos assumed it was a ptolmaic inscriptions and copied it thats how we know it existed it could be the key to the regions entire history why axumite oblisks features both axumite and greek architecture , where the major cities were,abouts the empires that reigned before them (d'mat,saba,..) and if there was alarge greek settlement in the horn of africa or not
I like to believe that you are a long lost twin of Mark Felton, separated at birth and moved to America, where you became an ancient historian instead of a WW2 historian.
a lot of people will undoubtably mention the tomb of Alexander and the probability of finding that(less than one Indiana I fear...)...but for those who want to experience the nearness of the great man I propose visiting the tomb of Alexander's father in Macedonia...it is a fabulous experience and the presentation of the tomb( also one for Alexander's son) and the magnificent artifacts is first rate...I was very impressed!
Treasures underwater: when the Romans conquered an area in Europe they sold shares on local lakes to people who would go in and drain them or in some other way scour the bottom. I have to think that they missed a few. Alaric's Treasure: I (just a personal notion not supported by anything) believe the story that he was buried under the river partly because of the way water seems to have been thought of as a place of reverence and making offerings, in short, sacred, although I also wonder about the significance of running water: many European societies believed that running water was as barrier to spirits. Would they have thought this burial would impede his spirit? Or did they believe the spirit had left and had no connection to the body? The thinking of the people of the time needs to be understood. As far as the likelihood of treasure being interred with him, I think there was enough loot to provide the share worthy of such a burial.
The issue is that the story has a lot of parallels in Germanic Heroic literature and other societies. One example I can think of is the tomb of Genghis Khan in Mongolia
Bro. You are such a legend. I always come to your channel and watch your videos before bed when I'm having especially rough days. It means I have to avoid binging all your videos at once lol but still thank you man.
Dr. G this was sick! Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge with us my dude! So glad your channel exists and that it’s blowing up lately. It’s my fav RU-vid haunt.
Love your work TIS! Do you think we'll ever find a masterpiece like "Augustus of Prima Porta" in our lifetime? Talk about a flawless treasure right there.
I was going to mention the search for one of the ships carrying Lord Elgin's marble collection from Greece that sank. Looking on the web i found that most of the marbles on the sunken ship were recovered by Lord Elgin. This was in 1802. So, how did the people in that era recover those marbles from a sunken ship? The remains of the ship are now being explored for other artifacts.
I suspect the Alaric's Treasure myth to be, just a myth derived from someone trying to pawn off the story of Gilgamesh's tomb with attribution to Alaric. I think similar is also described for Attila, and also Ghengis Khan. It's a popular theme for mythical burial tales. I wonder which stories stole from which other, which are entirely false, and which might even be true? :)
Well Attila postdates Alaric and Ghengis is 800 years after him, the answer would be Alaric, except there’s probably a lost myth that long predates him.
This video poses a moral dilemma: as good as it was it deserves a like and the views of many others, however I don't want to set competitors in the pursuit of these treasures. Will due recognition supersede my greed? Perhaps we'll never know
This is such a fun video! I would love if King John's treasure, lost for over 800 years in the marshes of south Lincolnshire, were discovered. That would be amazing. Three Indianas, because everyone knows it's got to be there *somewhere* :D
That was the best Toldinstone video I have seen yet, and you have made some good videos. I am a salvage diver and dream of finding Roman Treasure or any teasure would be nice. Keep up the good work!
Keep doing clever almost clickbaity thumbnails because the content is actually accurate to the thumbnail. I just want you to get more attention coz that's what you deserve. Watch Veritasium's video about clickbait and use those stratigies!! Great content as usual :)
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perhaps there is no shipwreck at all: maybe the ship was overburdened with all the loot it was carrying, or damaged in a storm, battle, etc. some heavy objects might've been thrown overboard to prevent it from sinking (or perhaps fell off, accidentally)
When I think of Lost treasure from that era and region my thoughts turn to the bottom of the Black Sea where even organic treasures might still be preserved in the anaerobic bottom water which is preventing decay...cheers
I'd argue that not only is the thrill of discovery *still* possible in the age of satellite imagery and ground-penetrating lidar, but that it's *increasingly* possible. Let us rejoice :)
I hope u are right about the possibility of other statues possibly being recovered! The few found are absolute masterpieces! Well done! Very interesting!
At first, I thought he said they found his "arm and nuts"...he actually said "arm in nets". I'm thinking it was because my mind wandered and I glanced at the statue. 🤭
OK, this is gonna take a moment to describe but it'll be worth it. Years ago in a park I found a hand of stone. It was a hand that came from a statue that was vandalized. Why couldn't I 3D scan that hand into a database of sculptures that were missing that hand and mate them? OK, here goes...... I believe that all over Italy people have pieces of famous sculptures in their backyard gardens; deposited over thousands of years. I say, scan them in and mate them up.
Some of them may be buried under lava in the "Villa of the Papyri" in Herculaneum, which has been known about for over two centuries but has only partly been excavated. Four Indianas, maybe? It may be best to wait a little longer, since we don't quite have the technology for non-destructive unwrapping of carbonised parchment scrolls, but there's also the risk of earth movement and flooding destroying everything.
@@brutusthebear9050 Of course! But money allocated for public works in that region tends to be siphoned off by criminals like the Camorra. Also there is a minority view that ancient remains are best left buried. That makes no sense in respect of manuscripts.
I was fortunate enough to be able to see the two statues mentioned in real life, and they truly do stand out among the rest. Here's to hoping that one of us finds the others.
The Artemision bronze of Poseidon is absolutely mesmerising. Every part of it displays virtuoso artistry. But I especially admire the work that's gone into the cock.
I'll head out in the yard and have a look. It's currently snowing though, so probably wait until the weekend or maybe weekend after when it should be above freezing. It's pretty unlikely that there would be any ancient treasure, especially Roman, here in North Dakota, but you never know; it could have been brought here by migratory birds.