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5 Axis CNC Spindle Speeder | 300% Faster Cycle Time | Boost Efficiency | Pocket NC Upgrade 

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In this video I go through the entire build process for creating this powered spindle attachment for the Pocket NC V2-10
Details on the project and purchasable files and BOM can be found on my website.
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@Cylan6
@Cylan6 Год назад
The 3 Blue, 1 Brown editing style does not go unnotced. I was very suprised to see a channel with 62 subscribers making graphics as informative and accurate as these are. I haven't even fininshed the video and I'm already leaving a comment about how good it is. Theres really an art in making a video concise while also packing in as much information as possible while making the infographics and other visuals accurate and easy to digest. I am looking forward to seeing more content!!
@Factorem
@Factorem Год назад
Thanks man, Appreciate that a lot!
@Hubiro
@Hubiro Год назад
that‘s really really cool!!! and a great budget option for V10 users haha
@ShopBotix
@ShopBotix 10 месяцев назад
Always fun to see what your working on and your presentation method keeps the audience engaged. Great stuff! One recommendation....audio, something like the Rode Wireless Go 2 or similar would be perfect for your format. Looking forward to more great content!!!!!
@steveggca
@steveggca Год назад
nice spindle upgrade you've got there . I've always thought the pocket NC was an amazing little machine. Now, as an actual (former) cnc machine tool field engineer I'd like to offer a few suggestions for improvements. Firstly, the tiny little rear bearing is having to handle 100% of the axial pullout force , it should be seeing 0% and only have to handle radial loads. If you constrained the front of the outer race of the 30/8 bearing ALL of the pullout and push back axial force will be handled by this bearing only (as it should be). A sleeve between the inner race of the front and rear bearings would lock the axial position of the spindle shaft. the rear bearing outer race should not be constrained at all, instead it should be able to axialy float, to allow for thermal expansion. Perhaps add a second bearing to help support any torque loading that makes it through the front bearings. Finally if you can find the 30/8 bearing with metal shields , and you see that you have no debris build up between the pulley and bearing face, replace the rubber shield bearing, as the rubber shields does create heat.
@Factorem
@Factorem Год назад
That is some solid advice, thanks! I'll machine a thin spacer to set the distance between the bearings and add it to the technical drawings!
@steveggca
@steveggca Год назад
@@Factorem NSK has a pdf called Machine Tool Spindle bearing & mounting guide . on page 44 they show some typical spindle arrangements. the top one medium speed spindle is closest to what i'm suggesting. the front bearings are locked into position located side and the back bearing can slide in the bore free side. the downside to using the 30/8 like this is that there is a bit of internal axial clearance . the little flanged bearing at the back, in your configuration does remove it, but i wonder for how long (ps i don't mind being wrong about stuff like this).
@gyrogearloose1345
@gyrogearloose1345 Год назад
Very interesting! Many thanks for this as I have been thinking about making a similar tiny spindle and motor for use on my Taig lathe - a toolpost grinder. You've made a very neat and simple unit, using rather cheap bearings (as spindles go) and low-cost spindle with ER collet chuck. Also the model motor and controller. And this all seems to work well! Now, since these components are way below the spec that most machine builders would even begin to consider usable, I wonder how well it's going to hold up? Motor and bearings overheating? Worn out after a few dozens of hours? How is it going? In any case I hope it is well! Wishing you good fortune in all your projects!
@GatorGlider
@GatorGlider Год назад
Enjoyed the video. You have a new subscriber. One request, would you work on your audio. It was difficult to hear/understand in you a few spots.
@Rajeshkr001
@Rajeshkr001 Год назад
Very cool video.. And thanks for sharing the code..
@Factorem
@Factorem Год назад
Thanks! I hope it can be a resource for others
@taka9162
@taka9162 Месяц назад
勉強になりました。 ありがとう。 RCモーターを買ってチャレンジしてみます。
@jacobfoley7686
@jacobfoley7686 Год назад
Outstanding job on both the video and the Spindle motor upgrade. Im a machinist and even i learned a thing or two on MRR.
@joshuahuman1
@joshuahuman1 Год назад
Another way you could recut the taper in the machine is using a bore bar instead of a dermal. In your case you could probably use a 1 flute end mill as the boring bar.
@RoboDriller
@RoboDriller 6 месяцев назад
Let's see it in steel, I seen on nc Website cutting titanium. But how good?
@Jeralddoerr
@Jeralddoerr Год назад
Great video brother.. (everything I say is only for small machines that aren't very ridgid.) I have always preached (HSS) High-Speed Machining, on small machines because of lack of rigidness. I loved to tweek my hobby machines. Ultimately I learned RPM and horsepower are the most important factors as in the weakest link besides the rigidity of your machine. If you want to obtain the highest material removal rate. Some key factors you did not cover in your video that I learned over years of tinkering on my small machines. Number of flutes on your end mill. Going from a 1 flute to a 4 you have essentially quadrupled your RPM without having to modify your motor. Also, the more flutes your cuter has the less deflection the tool will have. I'm not sure, but if you did your difection test with a endmill with more flutes, you might have less deflection then the 1 flute unless the spindle/machine is already at its limit. Try your load test with a sold piece of carbide, this will show you what amout of deflection is in the spindle vs spindle and endmill. Sorry this is long... And i had to butcher the information to keep shorter..., But keep up the good work and don't let us "know it alls" discourage you! 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
@danilomacanovic
@danilomacanovic 5 месяцев назад
Have you considered using 3 flute aluminum endmill ?
@Factorem
@Factorem 5 месяцев назад
I have! I've got a few of the high helix 3 flute endmills, this set up doesn't quite have the torque/rigidity to push those through the material at a chip-load that aluminum is happy with. I love them on my RIGCNC though!
@christopherdriscoll7282
@christopherdriscoll7282 10 месяцев назад
Really should use angular contact bearings for thrust load.
@Factorem
@Factorem 10 месяцев назад
The main bearings are Angular Contact, the rear bearing is just there to minimize whip. Another commenter mentioned it but there's a compressed sleeve in the middle that preloads the inner races of the the bearings against each other instead of against the housing which eliminates any potential thrust loads from the rear bearing.
@arjandijk1123
@arjandijk1123 Год назад
Cool project. Did you think about replacing the complete spindle? Its now just sitting there... I like the idea of using a watersports/RC motor as spindle!
@Factorem
@Factorem Год назад
Thanks! I thought about it but didn't want to permanently modify the machine. That may be an idea for another project though!
@DimensionMachine
@DimensionMachine Год назад
If you mentioned it in the video I must have missed it. Would you be willing to disclose where you had the tool post adapter made and how much you paid for it. I would be inclined to try to build one of these myself but the idea of trying to make the precise taper to fit the pocket and sees spindle on my imported mini lathe is a bit too daunting for me
@NiksSofa
@NiksSofa Год назад
Audio is very quiet compared to most other youtube channels i watch, might want to pump it up for next time.
@Factorem
@Factorem Год назад
Noted, will improve in the next video, thanks for the feedback
@Jeralddoerr
@Jeralddoerr Год назад
Was fine for me..
@RoboArc
@RoboArc 6 месяцев назад
Wow after watching this, my diy cnc is 2~3x more capable than this ☺️ thats kinda neat, always wanted a pocketNC though
@Factorem
@Factorem 6 месяцев назад
Yeah, they're pretty specialized/weak , I have a DIY CNC that's roughly 10x more capable (RIGCNC check it out) and 1/5th the cost , but the 5 axis opens up capabilities my 3 axis mill can't touch...
@RoboArc
@RoboArc 6 месяцев назад
@Factorem those rig cncs are kinda cool, expensive though 😄 ive been looking at them though for a while. I may end up getting one in the future as the price may drop
@Factorem
@Factorem 6 месяцев назад
@@RoboArc Are you sure you're looking at the RIGCNC? I'm the designer of it, and it's an opensource project, so not really any chance of the price dropping since it's all sourced directly from vendors. I originally looked at putting kits together but it's really hard to ship that kind of weight around without ballooning the price
@djagrarms7916
@djagrarms7916 9 месяцев назад
Nice video, one thing I can’t understand is why people aren’t using high helix 3 flute aluminium end mills in this space there so much better for larger DOC. Keep making these videos make I like your information
@janbeck8269
@janbeck8269 Год назад
Great stuff. Thank you for sharing. I want to point out that you did not really speed the spindle, but replaced it with a new, stiffer spindle with less stickout. Apples to apples, you would have to redo the deflection tests with the new spindle...
@adriancollins
@adriancollins Год назад
Great job, can you check your editing software a s even at full volume I struggled to here properly.
@phylippusvonhohenheim3232
@phylippusvonhohenheim3232 10 месяцев назад
O estilo de edição 3 Blue, 1 Brown não passa despercebido. Fiquei muito surpreso ao ver um canal com 371 inscritos fazendo gráficos tão informativos e precisos quanto esses. Eu nem fintei o vídeo e já estou deixando um comentário sobre como ele é bom. Há realmente uma arte em fazer um vídeo conciso, ao mesmo tempo em que comprime o máximo de informações possível, tornando os infográficos e outros visuais precisos e fáceis de digerir. Estou ansioso para ver mais conteúdo!! Também não pude deixar de notar que não faço a menor ideia de como se faz o G-code, ou o caminho para corte em uma CNC de 5 eixos, já que o que mais se vê na internet são CNCs de 3 eixos apenas, você tem algum vídeo mostrando qual programa você usa e como funciona a pocket NC?
@worldwidepig
@worldwidepig Год назад
The only things I noticed in this that didn't quite make sense to me was: 1) you have a 30k rpm motor, but you said the dual row bearing is only rated to 25k rpm? 2) I've not seen belts used at this speed before. I know it depends on the pulley size but even then it's questionable how long it may last running at 30k rpm.... 3) it might be worth putting some threadlocker if you haven't already on the screw acting as a tensioner for the belt and the screw pulling the bearings together to reduce any backlash. I have a feeling after some time these would work themselves loose and wouldn't be very desirable 😅
@Factorem
@Factorem Год назад
You're correct on all fronts, I can only cram so much into a single video though. 1.The motor is actually a 50k rpm motor, (that was the easy/cheap option) the bearings would literally grenade themselves if I took them up to that speed (ask me how I know :D ) So I'm forced to keep it under or at 25k rpm. 2. It's a little bit sketchy. Best I can tell, the speed limit is for the belt is ~60 m/s and I'm at like 65 ish. it'll toss a belt if everything isn't dialed in super well. 3. Agreed, takes about 0.02 seconds before the front falls off if its not glued in. (torque of spindle start up is often enough to do it, it then proceeds to throw the belt half way across the room. Blue flavored threadlocker holds that screw in now.
@tvolk15
@tvolk15 4 месяца назад
The chart at 1:52 has RPM at 10,000 for each column...
@Factorem
@Factorem 4 месяца назад
Correct, that is the "max" speed the stock spindle can go, I was trying to show how of the other 3 variables available to me (faster, wider, deeper) none of them allow me to remove more material without increasing the required loading on the system, which it can't handle. Essentially I've found the machines limit. If I increase the spindle speed beyond the "max" I can remove more material but that requires all the extra hardware shown in the video
@DimensionMachine
@DimensionMachine Год назад
Curious how you get the pocket nc motor to not run. Do you simply program a 0 rpm spindle speed and run the program normally? Then do you assume manual control by turning your new spindle on and off yourself? I assume this limits you to only 1 tool per program since tools must be probed before running the g code on the pocket NC? Very interesting.
@Factorem
@Factorem Год назад
Yup, you pretty much have the process down. Typically what I will do is program the toolpaths with the spindle speed I plan on running (so the speeds and feeds make sense) then I just manually go in and edit the G-Code to not turn the spindle on. It's very much like running a hobby cnc machine that use a palm router that isn't controlled by software. And the Pocket NC doesn't have any tool changing options so the single tool per program is pretty standard, even with the normal spindle set up. It handles all the offsets in an internal table though so it's not too bad, there's no actual data entry, I just tell it to "probe tool 3" and it handles the rest. Thanks for checking the video!
@DimensionMachine
@DimensionMachine Год назад
@@Factorem I have only had my pocket Nc for about a week, and I am still very much coming to grips with it, but I can see this being useful in the future. I wanted the v2-50, but got a good deal on a lightly use v2-10 so this mod you created could help bridge the gap while still allowing me to run 1/4 inch tools when I need to ! Nice work.
@jonbaker3728
@jonbaker3728 Год назад
What is that band that breaks off the M-vac engine at start up?
@Chris-bg8mk
@Chris-bg8mk Год назад
When you pressed it together, you pressed the pressing loads through the bearings balls and races that’s not how you do it. You need to rethink your design, so that bearings can be pressed properly. Otherwise nice design!
@Factorem
@Factorem Год назад
I did the actual press fitting on the outer races of the bearing. Since filming the video I've added an internal sleeve which preloads the inner races against each other, I believe that's what you're talking about correct?
@howesinc
@howesinc 7 месяцев назад
Super awesome video! Keep it up 👍🏼
@rolanddube2169
@rolanddube2169 Год назад
Nice job!
@Basement_CNC
@Basement_CNC Год назад
i looked at the pocket nc a LONG time , but for several reasons (mainly value of the machine) but also software , layout, no touch probe, i decidet to NOT get one, instead i commited to building a diy 5 axis cnc, CAD is 95% done, uts cheaper and its (at least in cad simulation) way stiffer (also 1,5 kw vs 0.2 kw spindle ....
@scottwillis5434
@scottwillis5434 Год назад
Might want to search for "Granite CNC Piotr". He built a CNC mill using a 24" x 36" x 4" granite surface plate. It's solid enough to cut steel.
@Factorem
@Factorem Год назад
I did a scratch built 3 axis on my personal channel called RIGCNC. I wanted no part in making a 5 axis from scratch lol Also if I have technical issues I can flag in help. I just treat it like a metal 3D printer (in terms of time allocation). The parts take a long time to make but they're accurate and consistent.
@Factorem
@Factorem Год назад
See above, I made a machine called RIGCNC a few years ago that was greatly inspired by Piotr's work. Check it out!
@wgm-en2gx
@wgm-en2gx Год назад
Very cool. However, I'm very interested in the fiber laser that can laze tool steel away! Not typically something a hobbyist has access to.
@Factorem
@Factorem Год назад
Yeah its great! Its the Cloudray 60w MOPA laser with the shortest focal length they have. I use it on tons of stuff
@Jeralddoerr
@Jeralddoerr Год назад
Type up fiber laser... They are all over China for less than $2,000.
@zviper
@zviper Год назад
Dang that's impressive!
@Factorem
@Factorem Год назад
Thanks!
@Adamirkozlodoev
@Adamirkozlodoev Год назад
can i get the link for the belt?
@Factorem
@Factorem Год назад
www.mcmaster.com/1313N11 trade name is 3PJ246 if you want to try to source somewhere other than McMaster
@satchelsieniewicz5824
@satchelsieniewicz5824 Год назад
how to you know the loads ?
@Factorem
@Factorem Год назад
books.industrialpress.com/9780831131746/engineering-formulas-for-metalcutting/
@Factorem
@Factorem Год назад
www.ctemag.com/news/articles/understanding-tangential-cutting-force-when-milling
@LitchKB
@LitchKB Год назад
Please normalise your audio, then maximise it to -1dB peak. At the moment this video sounds like it's using less than half of the available amplitude, that not only looses fidelity, but pisses everyone off who cranks their amp up to 11 just to hear what you're saying, then casually unpauses their music and kills their pet cat who happened to be nearby the 1200W 18" sub at the time, bringing a new meaning to: subbed.
@Factorem
@Factorem Год назад
Will do! Sorry about that 😂
@satchelsieniewicz5824
@satchelsieniewicz5824 Год назад
dont used ground in fusion its bad practice. use as built joint instead
@Factorem
@Factorem Год назад
Can you explain the logic behind it being bad practice? My understanding of the joint methodology leads me to believe an as-built joint to the origin is equivalent to a ground joint, especially for Datum parts in a design.
@Sasusa1990
@Sasusa1990 4 месяца назад
Why not simply use a 2-flute or 4-flute milling cutter instead of a single-flute one?
@Factorem
@Factorem 4 месяца назад
The single flute ones tend to perform better in low rigidity/low torque machines. More flutes means more torque required to keep the bit spinning, and I was already right at the edge of stalling it. These machines are not really rigid enough to push that much material through the bits
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