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'I don't mind you guys living in the Netherlands as long as you clean the toilets' a stranger told me. In this video I talked about the disadvantages or cons of living in the Netherlands, and things you might experience such as this racist comment. If one or couple of these are very important for you you might want to reconsider your decision of moving here.
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@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Hi all, seeing all these comments from people that completely misunderstood my video, here's an explanation. I'm extremely happy living in the Netherlands. I also made a video about the pros of living in the Netherlands, but no one watched that one. People want to focus on the negative. I only made this video to say what I don't like about the NL, but that doesn't mean I don't like the country at all. I love living here and I'm so grateful. And no, I'M NOT GOING BACK TO MY COUNTRY! If anyone feels the need to feed their ego, watch my video about why you should live in the NL. For the ones that are considering moving, if any of these points are crucial for you, maybe you should consider another place. For me, the pros are a lot higher and these points are not a big deal, that's why I chose to come and stay here. Thank you. 🙏
@YoChocoTube
@YoChocoTube 3 года назад
And you are more then welcome to do so!
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
@@YoChocoTube thanks!
@YoChocoTube
@YoChocoTube 3 года назад
@@murateren5712 Hé, every now and then we need a fresh pair of eyes telling us how we can improve - so you are actually doing us a favor. That's how I see it.
@norbertjabonski1021
@norbertjabonski1021 3 года назад
@@murateren5712 Let oop on those crazy bikers man xD. And again dominos aint sh*** but uncooked dou and tricks.
@hugom.nijhof9191
@hugom.nijhof9191 3 года назад
Nice video!
@rjdverbeek
@rjdverbeek 4 года назад
I am Dutch and I can agree with your 5 points. I won't add a 'but', because I can imagine that for a lot of other countries a list of negative points can be way worse. So I count my blessings.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
You're absolutely right. For me the pros are also way more. That's why I'm here. :)
@epbbarcia174
@epbbarcia174 3 года назад
Believe me, you are BLESSED in the Nederlands. I'm from the Philippines! Need I say more?
@kasperklibansky9964
@kasperklibansky9964 3 года назад
so how dutch ppl treat South east asian students moving to amsterdam?
@patatpannenkoek4875
@patatpannenkoek4875 3 года назад
i mean if he starts with weather it cant be extremely bad
@notthedroidsyoulookingfor
@notthedroidsyoulookingfor 2 года назад
@@epbbarcia174 you could... the fact you send couple of hundreds home, Worthing as much as two gold bars, your values is the same in the Netherlands as in Philippines, and you know and feel that...
@volcanonewyork3033
@volcanonewyork3033 3 года назад
Thanks Murat I checked out your other videos and I can honestly say that every video is fun and full of experience and knowledge.Thank you for being out there and sharing your thoughts about living in Netherlands,it really helps people who are planning to move there
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Thanks Volkan! Much appreciated 😊🙏
@nazlalagoz8616
@nazlalagoz8616 3 года назад
Thanks for talking about these issues, many people just don’t talk about them. Been here for over two years and I love Netherlands but I agree with your points especially on the fact that relationships with others being quite superficial.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Thank you for your comment 😊 me too, I love my (new) country but like every place there are some down sides to it. Thankfully the positive sides are much more 😊
@liveleakrussia928
@liveleakrussia928 3 года назад
Yes he was so accurate with this point... it annoys me as well and I am from NL
@sumimaind
@sumimaind 2 года назад
Agree! Aa Dutch guy said to me today they are the "warmest, kindest and friendly people you will ever meet". He clearly haven't traveled much...
@readygi
@readygi 2 года назад
@@sumimaind Also they are pretty delusional about themselves. I've noticed the ones who praise the Netherlands the loudest are.. the Dutch. I've been living here 10 months and most people I met were fake nice and covertly mean and arrogant.
@ingilizcetvim
@ingilizcetvim 2 года назад
@@sumimaind lol . Most Dutch people has never traveled and has been in their small village or town so their mind is closed. This is very normal for small sized countries.
@shemshem9998
@shemshem9998 3 года назад
"you guys are gonna hate me for this, but the weather sucks" no Im pretty sure most of us 100% agree with this
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Haha if you check the comments section you will see I was right 😅
@pathofthesalaf
@pathofthesalaf 2 года назад
I dont agree. I love the weather here
@krultheg3021
@krultheg3021 2 года назад
Indeed. Weather sucks.
@embr33
@embr33 2 года назад
I got depression from that weather 🗿
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 2 года назад
@Back2 Nature well just check the comments section 😅
@mar3053
@mar3053 4 года назад
There is also a HUGE discrimination against non Dutch speakers when trying to find a place to rent. I remember calling the Real Estate in English and they said there was no more viewings available. Then my boyfriend called them in Dutch and booooom, all of a sudden, they had free space. Such JERKS!
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
Oh I had no idea about that! It sucks big time if that's happening. My experience looking for a place changed drastically as my income increased. :D I remember renting my first place, it was a lot harder. The minute they see you in the 'expat' category things change, in my experience.
@mar3053
@mar3053 4 года назад
@@murateren5712 Yes, I understand. But rejecting someone just because they don't speak Dutch (and not even checking their income first) is a problem.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
@@mar3053 yes definitely! That stinks of racism.
@Boborjan1986
@Boborjan1986 4 года назад
Not just in the housing market, but it can pretty much limit you in only labor type of jobs, where you wont get paid much either, but for sure you will be pushed to the limits, till you break yourself.
@grewdpastor
@grewdpastor 3 года назад
@@murateren5712 nope: it is perhaps xenophobic, or maybe just experienced problems in the past with non-dutch speaking tenants.
@NiAr658
@NiAr658 4 года назад
Having lived in London I can see many similarities between the UK and Dutch culture based on what you described in your video. Guess there is no such thing as the perfect place, we just need to set priorities when choosing where to live. Thanks for sharing Murat
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
Exactly my point. :) Thank you for sharing your experience.
@qedd722
@qedd722 3 года назад
you probably joking
@glsmokerUSCOOLHIPHOPCHANNELGMG
@glsmokerUSCOOLHIPHOPCHANNELGMG 3 года назад
I lived in NL 10y ago and now I am in London, i born in Italy.. but I am considering to back in the NL.. I miss Italy but no chance of get decent job!
@EricaShady10171972
@EricaShady10171972 3 года назад
What do you mean there is no such thing as a perfect place? Mississippi is.🤣🤣🤣🤣
@NiAr658
@NiAr658 3 года назад
@@EricaShady10171972 never been to Mississipi, but glad to hear you find it perfect!
@ferielbouricha3179
@ferielbouricha3179 2 года назад
Totally agree with what you said. I am from Tunisia and I got the same type of micro aggressions. I can understand that it can be due to clumsiness sometimes. I think it is great that you are spreading awareness on this for future expats/international students. It was also very surprising to me to see how people over plan for literally anything here. It has its good sides, but spontaneity has a lot of good things to bring in life :)
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 2 года назад
Exactly my feelings 😊 thanks for your comment 🙏
@ingilizcetvim
@ingilizcetvim 2 года назад
Here we go. we all know that many racist Dutch people there. They can only be proud in their country
@lowiemaalderink9858
@lowiemaalderink9858 4 года назад
As a Dutchie I agree with all points. Anecdotal: I had colleagues in Istanbul, one funny difference is Dutchies always check the "rain alert"-app to see whether they can cycle somewhere. Turkish colleagues (in Istanbul) were always checking the traffic-app; "what route do I need to take to get home in this crazy traffic" :-D
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
Hahah that's so funny and so Turkish indeed! :)
@ajik88
@ajik88 2 года назад
it's more about the social weather 🤣🤣 always cloudy... you are real dutchie, agree all point but let's small talk about the weather 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@pabf2745
@pabf2745 Год назад
In my Spanish provine, Asturias, rain 2 of 3 days (all day long), we do not care if it rains (we expect so), and 1-3 days of full Sun light/year,.... I still remember a year in which a heat wave manage to cross the mountains, it was 26ºC,...
@jasonwright9405
@jasonwright9405 2 месяца назад
@@pabf274526c lol 😂 😅. Aussies laugh 🤭 . Over 30s heatwave yup under 30 Nup
@giulianodileo951
@giulianodileo951 4 года назад
I've been living in Rotterdam for several months, and coming from a very different country like Italy, I needed some time to adapt. Finding accommodation it's quite annoying too, and the bureaucracy sometimes can be kind of tricky, especially for foreigners. As more than 50% of the people here was born abroad, the general attitude is kind of varied :D more than sometimes it has been quite easy to hear stereotypes about the Italian people and the idea we work and live in a "chilling" way, like we are living on holiday (trust me we DON'T). However I try not to bother too much :)
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
Giuliano DL that's great if you can manage not to bother. Let's see in 10 years 😅
@fatisummer9106
@fatisummer9106 3 года назад
i am ab to move to Rotterdam can you tell me what is the annoying parts in Finding accommodation
@giulianodileo951
@giulianodileo951 3 года назад
@@fatisummer9106 It is generally messy to find an accommodation in Rotterdam, but a lot depends by some details. For example: Are you a student and/or a worker? Are you looking for a house/apartment for your own or a room? Do you live outside EU? If you are going to work, do you already have a job or an agreement with some company? The beaurocracy can be quite annoying. However with the current situation many internationals might have left the country, so finding accomodation could be slightly easy.
@gladydea
@gladydea 3 года назад
Ciao! Sono italiana anche io.... È davvero così "frustrante" vivere lì? Io e il mio partner stiamo considerando l'idea di trasferirci all'estero in futuro, e i Paesi Bassi sarebbero un'opzione... Ma vorrei considerare diversi punti di vista di diverse persone! Grazie per l'eventuale risposta! 😅
@giulianodileo951
@giulianodileo951 3 года назад
@@gladydea Ciao Gladysha, le opinioni sui Paesi Bassi sono spesso contrastanti in quanto dipendano prevalentemente da fattori soggettivi. I punti indicati in questo video sono a mio parere veri e ce ne sarebbero molti altri da considerare. Se tu ed il tuo partner siete interessati a trasferirvi in Olanda in futuro, molto dipenderà anche dalla città che sceglierete: Amsterdam, Rotterdam e Den Haag (per citare le tre più famose) sono infatti MOLTO diverse tra loro. All'interno della comunità internazionale (inclusa quella italiana) alcuni adorano questo paese, altri se lo fanno andare bene, mentre altri ancora proprio non si trovano bene. Se vuoi, ti posso lasciare il mio indirizzo email dove ti posso rispondere in maniera più dettagliata. Fa sempre piacere dare una mano
@laurentziu7895
@laurentziu7895 3 года назад
Thank you for this video. I am planning to move to this Netherlands and you're helping me take a more informed decision.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
You're welcome, and great to hear. :) Please also watch my video with the positive sides. It will help you better with your decision.
@baharaksahin7183
@baharaksahin7183 4 года назад
This was very helpful, thank you and please keep us posted with more videos about Amsterdam/ The Netherlands/ culture/ worklife etc..
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
Bahar Akşahin thanks a lot! More videos will follow soon 😊
@possemis
@possemis 4 года назад
the part about the taxes is not entirely true, yes we pay high taxes here in the Netherlands but what you get in return for that is way better compared to the rest of most of the 1st world. our school system is one of the best, our infrastructure and roads is of the safest en best in the world. health care is also among the best in the world, and the best part is that it is available for everyone and you wont be 100000 euro's in debt afterwards. so yes we pay more taxes compared to most country's but we get way more in return for it.
@gilles111
@gilles111 3 года назад
You forget about our social system, if you get fired, can't work due to any handicap, become a senior etc. we do have a social payment plan. As well the support plans for people with a low income for rent or health insurance, child support everybody can ask for etc.. And the 50% income tax is only due to people with high incomes. There are lower tax rates at 32% and 42% for people with average (or just above average) incomes.
@martinettenes1789
@martinettenes1789 3 года назад
@@gilles111 .. U heeft gelijk, NL was een van de beste landen om in te leven en werken. Ik ben geboren op de Wallen te Amsterdam en heb enorm genoten van mijn jeugd. Mijn ouders hadden een zaak tegenover het Stadhuis dat toen opereerde op de Oude Zijdsvoorbugwal. Ik wilde als kind bij de Politie en het lukte mij, na mijn Militaire Dienst 1.5 te studeren voor Politie Agent om dan, gelukkig, te werken aan het Bureau Warmoesstraat. Maar daar zag je de andere kant van wat we gewend zijn van de NLse bevolking. Veel gereisd en zag hoe NL politiek bergafwaarts ging. Emigreren was voor de toekomst en dat heb ik dan gedaan. Prachktig leven, goedkoper, bekvechtende mensen, rachtige natuur, weer woon gelegenheden. In het buitenland kan een NLr Miljonair worden en er van genieten, iets dat minder mogelijk en aangenamer is in NL. Rascisme zoals in NL bestaat hier, in de tropen, Caribbean, Zuid en Centraal Amerika niet. Ik ben het volkomen eens met de heer die de video heeft gemaakt. Sorry en, het gaat U goed ...
@raatroc
@raatroc 3 года назад
This is called intelligent redistribution of wealth.
@epbbarcia174
@epbbarcia174 3 года назад
Excellent example of a working social democracy,
@atomiks24
@atomiks24 3 года назад
@@ek5891 they dont go to highschool at 12 there is no such thing as highschool in the netherlands
@ItsaJuraff
@ItsaJuraff 3 года назад
I really appreciate this video. There's a million videos about how great living in the Netherlands is, and I don't doubt it's great, I just want to get a better picture of what it is I would be getting myself into. I think your video does a great job of providing some more perspective. Thanks!
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Thank you for understanding the purpose of the video 🙏😊
@RobotronSage
@RobotronSage 2 года назад
Turn back while you still can
@RobotronSage
@RobotronSage 2 года назад
If you like being poor and discriminated against and having a corrupt government in a country that makes ZERO progress Then you'll love it here.
@Misoriy
@Misoriy 4 года назад
Your English is quite enjoyable to listen to. I don't speak Turkish so I'd prefer videos in English. ^^
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
Helen Nunes thanks! :) That's very nice to hear and gives me confidence in my English!
@carlostui21
@carlostui21 3 года назад
I don't want to raise any question here nor been stupid, but that statement sound like "micro aggression" according to what u explain! 🤔
@usamalatif5238
@usamalatif5238 3 года назад
hi
@mrpoe8485
@mrpoe8485 3 года назад
Because you know English
@avivavoz.
@avivavoz. 3 года назад
@@carlostui21 That's exactly what l thought!,😂😂We better don't compliment him about his English or it will be considered "Microaggression" 🤦‍♀️smh... people emigrate and then they believe everybody in that country is a racist...🙄🤷‍♀️
@rodrigolabra6962
@rodrigolabra6962 3 года назад
Thanks for all the info on this video, It really helps me to get to know what to encounter once I move :D
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Rodrigo Labra you're welcome! I hope you'll like it here no matter what difficulties you encounter :)
@gustavoteixeira44
@gustavoteixeira44 4 года назад
Loved the video! Yes, I hope you'll make more videos speaking English. Thanks for the honest content!
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
Gustavo Barros thanks a lot! Much appreciated. :)
@lenthemofo
@lenthemofo 3 года назад
I'm Dutch, I totally agree with all points. I think the microaggressions are very real, and something that Dutch people will hopefully become more sensitive about in the future. I think part of this however is Dutch directness and bluntness. Of course this does not explain the racist undertones, but I do think a lot of these questions are genuine curiosity. I know plenty of Dutch people who have no non-Dutch friends. And they have no clue how other cultures work, or what other people's worlds look like. And in Dutch culture it's generally acceptable to ask questions like this to people who live different lives to yours. Vegans are asked if they don't miss meat, Christians are asked if they don't have sex before marriage etc. even when you meet people for the first or second time. I'm definitely not saying there is no racism in questions like this, or that your experience being on the receiving end of these is not real. I'm just trying to say that Dutch directness might be part of the equation here and can be very hard to get used to if you're not Dutch. Because it lays prejudices bare and puts them in the open. I do think it's also a chance to get rid of those prejudices, and it's also perfectly acceptable to tell people that that was a pretty personal question, or confront them with their racism. "Dutch Americano" has a good video about the topic. As an aside, the comments about Moroccans or cleaning toilets have absolutely nothing to do with Dutch directness, and are just super fucking racist. Fuck those people. I'm sorry that happened and I seriously hope we get better at this as a country. Those people need to be called out publicly and confronted with their racist views.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Hi Len. Thanks a lot for your comment and for understanding.
@patglennon9671
@patglennon9671 3 года назад
Racist clowns in every country, I lived two years in the hague and had many dutch friends, the directness is real and great when dealing with the ladies, I miss den haag every day, I will make it back soon.im irish living in usa now. HE LP
@NiekKuijpers
@NiekKuijpers 2 года назад
Turkey is 10 times as racist dumbass
@lenthemofo
@lenthemofo 2 года назад
No, sjoerd
@franklinnartz1381
@franklinnartz1381 2 года назад
It also doesn't help that plenty of second generation immigrants (at the moment I don't know a better term for this) keep feeding the "flames of racism", something often left out of the discussion. These flames shouldn't exist in the first place, I fully agree with that. What I mean by this is that these people often exclude themselves from the Dutch culture, barely make any effort to fit in and cling to the roots of where they came from, grouping together, only speaking Arabic amongst eachother and holding pro-Erdogan demonstrations in The Netherlands. If there is a football/soccer match between The Netherlands and Turkey for instance, 99% of those second generation immigrants will support Turkey despite being Native born Dutch people. I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing and it might be the result of not feeling welcome due to racism, but to many Dutch people this comes across as not wanting to be part of the Dutch culture and society. This is just based on my personal experiences though and in no way representative of The Netherlands as a whole. To give another example, I have a friend with Turkish roots who as a child was adopted by two Dutch parents. Because he grew up with two white parents he doesn't speak Arabic and isn't a Muslim and he feels shunned and unwelcomed by the Turkish/Moroccan community because of this.
@Marlinos
@Marlinos 3 года назад
I hate the small talks, just leave me alone on monday morning, don't ask me about my weekend XD
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Marleen Visscher same here 😅
@OprechtLetterlijkBizar
@OprechtLetterlijkBizar 3 года назад
Not sure if that’s a typical Dutch thing. I’m Dutch and lived in other countries like USA and currently in Switzerland, and here it’s exactly the same. Also not a big fan of it, but I wouldn’t classify it as typically “Dutch”.
@toniangelo555
@toniangelo555 3 года назад
Not only on monday morning, most of you dutch people don't want to be in contact with foreigners. Dutch people are 'hokjesman', they're only with their own people..
@ChauffeurGoPro
@ChauffeurGoPro 3 года назад
@@toniangelo555 thats bcoz ure bulgarian
@avinashpaul2221
@avinashpaul2221 3 года назад
That’s an introvert 😊
@astra_m00n
@astra_m00n 3 года назад
If you look within Amsterdam, yes, it's probably ridiculously hard to find an apartment, but I have a lot of friends from many cultures and countries and I noticed that a common mistake to make is to think the ONLY viable places to live is in the city itself (or it's outskirts). The biggest difference with many other countries is that most countries have bigger cities and less many big cities compared to their country's size. So there, to get a proper job, everyone has to live very close to the big cities. In the Netherlands however, even though there are much less people living here, we live on a way smaller surface area, making many places (as long as it's in the so-called "Randstad") very densely lived. So DO NOT only search in Amsterdam! The amazing public transport/train system can give you a smooth travel to Amsterdam while you can live in a just as dense and lively city that is relatively close to Amsterdam in travel-time. I am talking about Rotterdam, Gouda, Leiden, Utrecht, The Hague. From Rotterdam Central Station to Amsterdam Central Station is a high speed line and you can be from one station to another in less than 40 minutes.(and Rotterdam is comparatively quite far from Amsterdam than some other cities) The trains are comfy and relatively reliable and many jobs compensate your travel costs. Small country = better infrastructure. Roads, rails, highways AND bicycle paths. Most people go by train, take a rental bike and bike the last 10 minutes in Amsterdam to their office. We might have too much rain :) But we don't have: Tornadoes, Tsunami's, Sandstorms, Volcano's, Forrest fires, Earthquakes, Snow storms, Blizzard storms and (almost) no dangerous animals. Basically the only nature disaster you might die off, is some mediocre flooding due to rain fall, but we tackled that problem 70 years ago already and now being flooded is quite a miracle. Bummer... x) But I prefer that 'a little too much rain', if you don't mind. Side note: I am living in Berlin, Germany atm and I had a terrible time finding an apartement there. We had an German speaking person we paid to find an apartment and come with us on visits for translation and still it took us over 6 months and, I kid you not, about 100 viewings of apartments. This lack-of-apartments problem is in all major cities in western EU and is BY FAR not unique to Amsterdam. The difference is, if we wanted to have a good connection to my husbands office, he has to travel an hour to get in Berlin and then another 45 minutes to anywhere INSIDE Berlin. Because no matter how lovely their Public Transport; The city is just too big to get anywhere in a reasonable amount of time, without living in at least the outskirts of the city. A stark contrast to all my experiences in NL, because everything is smaller and much more manageable.
@Darvint413
@Darvint413 2 года назад
wow this was so helpful!!!
@PaulaBean
@PaulaBean 7 месяцев назад
Well, in recent years we have earthquakes - in the north only, due to the gas extraction.
@Pietie_ache-dee
@Pietie_ache-dee Год назад
Thanks Murat for the video! As someone with dutch ancestry living in South Africa, I plan to move to the Netherlands after graduating from college. Knowing why not to move is so much more important than knowing why to move. A lot of videos are made by people who have only stayed there for a short while and only lived in Amsterdam or other major cities.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 Год назад
Thank you so much 🙏
@sunitarawat8511
@sunitarawat8511 2 года назад
i lived in netherlands for 3 years , i know people face racism microaggression as you say which is very unfortunate , so i just want to light up with one of the incident that made my day in past so i was new, and i was at the bus stop waited for 20 mints or so and there was no bus in sight . there was this very old man he didn't know english but he did not give up until i understood that at that particular stop (very remote place) the last bus was already gone , he used hand gestures also the picture board to point out that :D it was so sweet
@nikkisont3460
@nikkisont3460 9 месяцев назад
Love this vlog!😍
@user-dm8yw2zh4h
@user-dm8yw2zh4h 4 года назад
Really good video :) dropped like
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
Thanks! :)
@helenooft9664
@helenooft9664 4 года назад
Yes, its is raining a lot in my country, but my country is very green, and that is because of the rain, so i prefer the rain.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
Good for you Helen.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
@@jackt5472 Exactly. I already made a video explaining why the Netherlands is such an awesome country and why I chose to live here. Here I'm just saying if the weather is your top priority in a country and if you don't like the rain as much as Helen does :D then well maybe you should think twice.
@woudy7327
@woudy7327 4 года назад
I hate smalltalk to... but as I am a very grumpy sarcastic person nobody tries to chat smalltalk to me anymore... I love it
@QuickCookie
@QuickCookie 3 года назад
Informative video! Thanks.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Thank you for watching 😊
@abelwu8463
@abelwu8463 Год назад
Thank you Murat! Very informative and one of the best videos here about living in a new country. And, I agree with others your voice and facial expression are enjoyable. Lively but not over-active. And you showed your emotion in a controlled way when you really have it, which is rare and adds feelings of reality and personality. You also made me reflect that I might not be considerate enough when I talked to people from another culture.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 Год назад
Thank you so much. I really appreciate your comment 😊🙏
@subiramchumo7957
@subiramchumo7957 3 года назад
Wow. I really liked this video. You spoke with a lot of honesty. Thanks!
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Thank you so much 😊
@knowledge_leaf
@knowledge_leaf 2 года назад
I expected some hard to deal with things, but, literally everything in this video is the same or better than where I live. Guess I know where I'm moving!
@rizvaldo7209
@rizvaldo7209 3 года назад
Nice video. I feel I would get on well with you Murat. I was born and live in London but I have an interview coming up for a job in Amsterdam which is why I'm watching this. Interesting points.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Great to hear. :)
@Qielli
@Qielli 4 года назад
Very sophisticated person, I like your video a lot. All I can say that, Have a pleasent summer, Man 🙌🏻
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
Thanks :) much appreciated!
@sedakkaya1
@sedakkaya1 4 года назад
I feel you! 😄
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
haha :D
@schiffelers3944
@schiffelers3944 3 года назад
Thank you, for doing it in English and not in Turkish (or Dutch), this way I and a much more diverse group can understand and participate, thank you. This is your first video in my algorithm, and *I agree there are "disadvantages" thank you for pointing them out, and talking about them.* (I am Dutch, from Limburg, down in the South the not flat part of the Netherlands.) 1 Weather; I agree; cold, gray and rain, but things have been changing. We might not have the white winters and "elfstedentochten" but we did have them at one point in our history. I remember snow and white winters as a small child. My parents and grandparents had different winters then I did, etc. Also it depends on the locations in the Netherlands with temperatures, because of climate. Coastal vs non-coastal. The south is almost always warmest in the summers. Add to that climate changes. In Limburg it was 30+ degrees past week, it is only June. Agree 15 - 25+ degrees used to be more "normal" average temperatures for spring/summer, but that hasn't happened in years by now. Seasons we have, we have the trees indicators of that most. But then you probably need a setting more in or surrounded by nature. I hear you mentioning Amsterdam, for instance. 2 Social: True. Generally speaking, this is true. There are some friends or family members that might have a less "planned" structure, but then that is part of the "loosely" planned structure. Everything is structured like that here, basically. We plan ahead. Shallow, work conversations true; I fully agree, also depending on the workplace, and work culture. For instance the hairdresser; I've worked at them, these are more social places, but it depends on the customer. One can get to be on a very close and friendly basis, talking about their lives. But more "manly" cultures are a lot harsher, I have problems dealing with them as well. I understand what you are saying. Night life; weather is different, climate is different. Drinking in public area is restricted, limited. But then if you don't litter, or become annoying or bothersome, we are flexible up to a certain point. 3 Small country: limited options & expenses; Taxes are a good thing, it could be more fair, this also pays for social benefits etc. Housing shortage, agree, Amsterdam, yes. But as said I am not from Holland, I'm from Limburg and there are differences. In my opinion there is a lot of diversity in the Netherlands. But there is not a lot of mixing and deep (positive) interaction. And our system used to be more social and less capitalistic as it is now days. 4 Micro aggressions: True this is here as well. But in my experience this goes both ways. I think I understand the dynamics in this, and yes this happens. Also this happens full on in you face and in the open, but on a lesser scale. As a homosexual I know this happens both ways. I experience it, also by some migrants if they are religious Islamic. But then also all Dutch Christians are not of the right faith. (This is also not limited to Islam, but other Abrahamic religions. And depending on their sect or branch within this.) There is a homosexual imam, this is a no go to say. Even if it is fact. We then can debate on what an Imam is etc. and the religious aspects etc. But that is not the point, and it is, at the same time to point out this goes both ways. And I see and hear what you talk about. Towards immigrants and other minorities, it all stems from the same root. And I notice them not having awareness on both sides this is happening and taking place. Dutch girls called and treated like whores, because cultural differences. Abuse, etc. polygamy even if it is illegal in the Netherlands, this also happens, homophobia happens, Islam-phobia happens, racism happens, etc. These are hard truths, and it's both ways. WE all have dark shadow sides to us and our histories and cultures and traditions.
@TarotbyScorpio
@TarotbyScorpio 2 года назад
@bubbles bunny wait why do they treat Dutch girls like whores?
@2KITA1AILE4
@2KITA1AILE4 3 года назад
Great video just what am looking for👍🏾
@yavuzakguc
@yavuzakguc 3 года назад
Emeğine sağlık dostum. Güzel bir video olmuş. Eleştirilerin olması gayet doğal. Ki zaten herkesin bildiği konular. Her ülkenin olumlu ve olumsuz yönleri var bunu her yaştan insanın bilmesi gerekiyor başarılar 🙏🏼
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Cok tesekkurler, cok dogru 👍🙏
@majdavojnikovic
@majdavojnikovic 2 года назад
As a Eastern European woman I can relate to your last point. If you are not from Western European country, or USA, Canada etc. you are going to get lot of comments about your country and people. "Do you have elevators in your country?" "Do you have butter in your country?" " She is not actually white"( with my blond hair and green eyes) meaning probably "not right kind of white" :))) - there is lot of ignorance mixed with arrogance, and actually quite a lot of racism. A friend got black grandchild and discovered it, while walking with the baby. She was in shock from comments that she got on streets of Amsterdam. But, it could be worst. Like Denmark or Ukraine, or Hungary. Those are hard core racists.
@bobosims1848
@bobosims1848 3 года назад
Günaydin Murat, (Yes, no, I'm not Turkish myself. I just know one or two words.:)) The weather is the weather. I haven't seen a good winter, spring or summer since 2008. It's mostly always autumn. That is not something we can do anything about, YET. But when a machine is invented to change the weather, you can bet your life that the inventor will be Dutch. Because we find our weather rather boring too! If you live in Amsterdam, you''re not living in the Netherlands. Amsterdam is the most expensive place in the Netherlands to live, because there are so many people there, and many of them are foreigners. THAT is why buying or renting a house, studio, apartment or even just a room, is extremely expensive in Amsterdam. But the further you go away from that place, the better it gets. Speaking English, or Turkish or ANY other language is fine as long as you stay in Amsterdam, but it will invariably brand you as an outsider. And there are so many outsiders in Amsterdam, that even the Dutch people will often speak English, because that's easier. But if you move away from Amsterdam, you'll find less and less foreigners, and Dutch people speak Dutch. So you will need to speak Dutch as well. And THAT will make it a lot easier to make friends. I know people here in Leeuwarden, who have their roots in Turkey, Morocco, China and other places, some of which speak better Frisian than I. You only hear those people speak their native language amongst themselves. These people have Dutch friends, because they've integrated with the Dutch culture a little more than anyone will ever expect from anyone who lives in Amsterdam. Making friends is not something the Dutch do at work. The people we work with ar just co-workers, colleagues, acquaintances. Which means that all conversations will be shallow surface talk, not very deep and intimate. Friends are people that you have a lot in common with OUTSIDE work or school. Hobbies, for example. Go to a fitness center, or go do some team sport to make friends. You may have lived in Amsterdam for the past 9 years, my friend, but you know very little about living in the Netherlands yet. I myself would not want to live in Amsterdam, because it is too crowded, and too big, and too expensive. I would rather move anywhere else.
@IamxElusive
@IamxElusive 2 года назад
I plan on travelling to the uk one day. Always good to watch videos of all aspects the more you know…. You know
@im8548
@im8548 3 года назад
Can someone please tell me how does the Netherlands compared to Canada and / or Australia?
@gustavscholten597
@gustavscholten597 3 года назад
The Netherlands is a claustrophobic, wet, plat als een pannenkoek, klein postzegellandje met plaatselijke opklaringen,2 weken per jaar zomer dan alles weer potdicht met loodgrijze luchten, waar de mensen op fietsen tussen de buien door tegen de harde wind in trappen. Net nog zoals in de 1950’s. Australia is 200 x groter, blauwe luchten en het is er warmer, veel warmer.......
@elizabethomosura7586
@elizabethomosura7586 3 года назад
Omggg I really did I agree in the 5th part
@macexpert7247
@macexpert7247 4 года назад
Move to the most southern part of the Netherlands (Limburg). Its much more relaxed there and the weather is a bit better :-)
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
You're right! I love the vibe in the southern parts :)
@daimybisseling251
@daimybisseling251 3 года назад
Here you will have more differences between seasons and you can see friends without appointments. If you drop in during dinertime you even might get s plate😂. Have to warn you throughout: Geert Wilders is a Limburger too, so we do have assholes here aswell
@harenterberge2632
@harenterberge2632 3 года назад
Yet the racist parties (pvv, fvd) find a lot of support there.
@me0wme0w13
@me0wme0w13 3 года назад
the first point is amazing just cold and rain like uk weather... perfect
@s.ashiblu2329
@s.ashiblu2329 3 года назад
thanks for good vibes ☮️
@hotsmalltown7533
@hotsmalltown7533 3 года назад
I remember my flatmate and I found a great place by oosterpark and I mentioned this to a Dutch "friend" who said, oh, but wait, there are lots of immigrants there... I said.. well, yes, I am well. The friend responded... oh, but you are different. In other words, being white meant I was the right type of immigrant. But this type of thing happened to me in Berlin when I lived there for a bit. I got told numerous times how I was taking jobs... so little things like that bothered me. I come from an immigrant country, so that attitude is quite foreign to me. If you work and are supporting yourself, you are welcome where ever...
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Yes so true and so sad..
@emmadezwaan
@emmadezwaan 3 года назад
I’m Dutch (born and raised) and I think you were very polite. I think there is a lot of racism and xenophobia in the Netherlands. A lot of misogyny as well, and I can know, I’m a woman. Dutch are very ignorant about themselves and their culture. Not really self reflective because we lack openness, like you said. Then people ACT like everything is fine and dandy, but problems are just hidden and not talked about. Just start about Zwarte Piet, and then all hell breaks lose. You see what I mean..? Just don’t tell the other Dutch, It will upset them and they will blame you for their own foolishness 😉
@readygi
@readygi 2 года назад
couldn't agree more. the misogyny is shocking to me. I work in hospitality and men expect me to treat them like Gods, the entitlement and insecurity of locals are off the roof.
@RK-cj4oc
@RK-cj4oc 2 года назад
@@readygi Really? I am dutch and would like to know more if you would be willing to take the time. Could you give a few examples of what you mean?
@reenachacko9898
@reenachacko9898 3 года назад
Loved it always
@aurelionicoletti4614
@aurelionicoletti4614 2 года назад
Thank you for making this video
@ninisecik
@ninisecik 2 года назад
Çok güzel anlatmışsın, son maddeyi hep hissedeceksin. Hollanda’da büyüdüm, son 6 yıldır Brüksel’de yaşıyorum ve burada ayrım yok, çok kültürel bir şehir. Tavsiye ederim
@jasmijndejongHS
@jasmijndejongHS 2 года назад
Number 4; about the houses in Amsterdam, i'll explain it as good as i can: Amsterdam is the capital of the country which makes the houses already more expensive, then Amsterdam is part of the "randstad" that makes it more expensive too, so you better can buy a house in a place close to Amsterdam, but not actually in Amsterdam and you're saving a lot of money.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 2 года назад
Thanks for the great insight!
@NitinGupta-qm6hj
@NitinGupta-qm6hj 2 года назад
What is randstad can u plz explain?
@jasmijndejongHS
@jasmijndejongHS 2 года назад
@@NitinGupta-qm6hj a randstad is where the most important places are and in the netherlands thats in the west part of the country
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 2 года назад
@@NitinGupta-qm6hj Randstad is the region that consists of Amsterdam, Rotterdam, the Hague and Utrecht.
@RobotronSage
@RobotronSage 2 года назад
Bro even outside of Amsterdam you're being extorted. If you do business with any Dutch person you are being extorted. That's just how ''business'' ''works'' over here. Everyone is in debt but that's the ''Dutch'' way innit
@eankimarduk4538
@eankimarduk4538 10 месяцев назад
Thanks for the videos in English. I GREATLY appreciate it. It's very educational for me. Thanks for sharing.
@bomcabedal
@bomcabedal 3 года назад
I can relate to the micro-agressions that you mention. I spent quite a sizeable portion of my working life in Germany, and returned to the NL about ten years ago. The thing is, I'm somewhat of a cultural sponge, so my Dutch had gotten quite Germanic at that point and I was more than a little shocked by the inferences people made, constantly. I'm not saying it would happen if the situation were reversed, but it was something of a waking-up moment from my very Dutch self-complacency.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Interesting to hear this from a Dutch person. I experience similar things in Turkey too. Whenever I forget a word it immediately becomes about me losing my identity, etc whereas people are speaking much worse Turkish than I am 😅 These things are mostly innocent but if it happens a lot it gets annoying.
@hjkroeze
@hjkroeze 4 года назад
Murat, I'm a Dutchman and because of the Corona virus I'm still abroad against my will. But seeing your video I think I can change your mind about the Netherlands. As soon I am back I want to invite you and let you see another side of the Netherlands you maybe haven't seen. And I am sure you will change your mind. I'm looking forward to that.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
Henk Kroeze I love the Netherlands. No need to change my mind about it. Please watch my other video about the pros of the NL.
@classesanytime
@classesanytime 4 года назад
@@murateren5712 it might make you see things from a different perspective though 😉 It'll make you understand things that we do or say from the source and not from an outside view I'm living for 11 years in Brazil and the only reason I got to understand the way they do things here was to blend in on their level and see things trough their eyes, it doesn't mean that I agree with them 100% though, but surely it's an eye-opener on a daily bases.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
Classesanytime classesanytime you're right of course but I've been living here for 9 years, speak the language (not as well as I would like to), and I work and socialise with Dutch people. So I don't think I need to spend a day with a Dutch person :)
@classesanytime
@classesanytime 4 года назад
@@murateren5712 Good for you Murat 👍 I like your videos and hope you'll make many more !! You should be who you are and enjoy or dislike all in your own way as an individual. I just meant it as you could see the "Why" we do or say things from a different perspective, that's all.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
Classesanytime classesanytime thanks! :) I try every day to understand why certain things are done. I understand some and some I don't. :) But no one can change who they are, and overall I'm very happy in this country. :)
@candice1901
@candice1901 4 года назад
Thank you so much for this. I would really love to find someone and move there. It's beautiful and has a lot going for it but these are all good to know. Not stuff u really pick up on a holiday there
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
candice hoover yes definitely that's what I tried to explain. But no matter what it's a beautiful country and I hope you find a way to move here. 😊
@lunaaljamaz4041
@lunaaljamaz4041 2 года назад
love the shelf in the background
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 2 года назад
Hahah thanks! I love these comments 😄🙏
@elizabethomosura7586
@elizabethomosura7586 3 года назад
It's my first time watching your videoooo you're so cute hahaha the way you speak English is too good!
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Aaw thanks *(blushes ☺️)*
@AnotherEmi
@AnotherEmi 2 года назад
The first three "cons" are actaully pros in my opinion heh... And the fourth one doesn't really apply to me because living costs in my home country is higher or about the same level. However, the fifth one is definitely a con and I think it is, sadly, quite common in general in the world
@ninailia8552
@ninailia8552 2 года назад
I'm kind of surprised you didn't mention the health system 😅 I agree with most points, I correlate with the last point, one Dutch girl at uni once told me "stop eating the olives by hand, we are not in Greece" and I said to her "yeah, you know we also use forks in Greece" and she said "oh, I didn't mean it like that" obviously I told her I know exactly what you meant!🤣 still I have good Dutch friends and a Dutch partner, but I don't know many internationals unfortunately, maybe in the future!
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 2 года назад
Yes even if people mean things or not we gotta watch when we open our mouths right? 😅 and I hear it a lot about the health system, and I agree to a certain extent, but it wasn't in my top 5 😄
@ninailia8552
@ninailia8552 2 года назад
@@murateren5712 for me is definitely top 5! This girl meant it, she disliked me since we met, she was even calling me with the wrong name 😅 expenses is a big pain in the a** hahaha especially in AMS
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 2 года назад
@@ninailia8552 I hear you sister! 😅
@RobotronSage
@RobotronSage 2 года назад
@@ninailia8552 Bro the prices they ask over here for everyday groceries is literally extortion I think it's so sad that most Dutch people have NO IDEA how bad they're being ripped off :S
@jasonwright9405
@jasonwright9405 2 месяца назад
Health system? Free funding from government or pay 💰?
@MoniqueDiCarlo
@MoniqueDiCarlo 2 года назад
I did the unplanned visits a lot with my friends in the Netherlands, not sure if that has changed since I left?
@ljclauson
@ljclauson 2 года назад
Hello from Seattle. Yes the weather there is the same as Seattle for the most part. At least we have the mountains and lots of hiking in forests. I agree very much with everything your saying. Especially the chit chat small talk stuff. Keep your. Ideas in English. I’m thinking of moving there so I’m getting all the information I can pro and con.
@selenay7842
@selenay7842 3 года назад
Researches conducted by separate institutions showed that the candidates who have Turkish surnames were less likely to be called for a job interview, even if they are as qualified as other applicants. I think racism problem in Netherlands is much bigger than some ignorant people name-calling foreigners. Not to mention other instances such as the police commenting "One less Turk" upon a death of a Turkish girl.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Yes, great examples Selen. And so sad...
@RobotronSage
@RobotronSage 2 года назад
Dude Dutch racism is HUGE.
@corcorsma
@corcorsma 2 года назад
This exists in every country. It's human. Nobody has ever been able to show data that this is better anywhere else. The fact of the matter is that there are just many different groups of migrants in The Netherlands nowadays, especially in the cities, so the chance that it occurs here is much higher. It's really not nice of you to say that it's specific to Dutch culture. Do you think this makes us like or dislike groups like yours more?
@RK-cj4oc
@RK-cj4oc 2 года назад
Yeah no. I disagree here. It is normal to have preference for surnames that come from your country. Nothing racist about it.
@ingilizcetvim
@ingilizcetvim 2 года назад
we all know true heart of most dutch people
@PaulTakesPhotos
@PaulTakesPhotos 2 года назад
I am Dutch but spent about two decades outside of NL and recognise a lot of your point. I migrated back 3 years ago and yeah the planning in life, "micro agression" or no filter as I call can be very annoying, size of the country... Well is it a country or a city. Dutch directness is difficult for many who are not Dutch. People just make statements without any filters (often). As for turkey spent a lot of time working in instanbul and did experience snow over there
@sumimaind
@sumimaind 2 года назад
But in all honesty I don't really understand why The Dutch say they are direct. They are direct when it comes to work but socially I would say they are super indirect, they never say how they really feel
@LOKI77able
@LOKI77able 2 года назад
@@sumimaind When it comes to their feelings their communication tends to be very shallow or even elusive or an outright lie, is this what you mean?
@islandgirlxx3465
@islandgirlxx3465 2 года назад
@@sumimaind I find the Dutch more passive-agressive
@moezora
@moezora 4 года назад
the weather sounds perfect! planning things sounds dreadful but i could learn to get used to it. not the biggest fan of it being super expensive or the housing situation though. didn’t know about the microaggression, but i’m used to that anyway. i think the netherlands sounds like a great place to live. : ) i can’t move there though... but maybe one day!
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
dont take the ball out of ramune it is a great place to live indeed. 👍
@marcstvring7749
@marcstvring7749 3 года назад
Super good video! Im considering for moving to the Netherlands and even thats the title is shouldn't I still suits me very good.. So thanks for that 😊
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Marc Støvring you're welcome :)
@anman1575
@anman1575 3 года назад
Amsterdam is very expensive - 1200 for a studio Me in Dublin sipping my pint of Guinness from a 1800/month studio
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Anshuman Ranjan ouch! 😅
@ex0stasis72
@ex0stasis72 3 года назад
I've seen apartments in Amsterdam listed for as low as 600 euros per month, there's fewer to choose from and they seem to go away the next day I check, but it's possible to rent cheaply, it seems.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
@@ex0stasis72 there are some projects where you can register and get affordable houses but anything I see on Facebook groups etc I would be very careful with
@ex0stasis72
@ex0stasis72 3 года назад
@@murateren5712 Ya, thanks, I'm finding more about that lately. I'm just "window shopping" right now because I don't think I can move until another year or two.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
@@ex0stasis72 good luck with it! 😊
@JustJanuJJ
@JustJanuJJ 2 года назад
Hi, I am living in the Netherlands for the past 2 1/2 years as an ex-pat I too agree with what you said , especially the climate here really sucks..sorry to say but it is, and the last point I too noticed about it directly from dutch people and it is not only for Turkish, Moroccan, I too experienced it personally, got up these question like why do come out of your country, don't you miss your family, what reason you stay to earn money ???? How do you know about dutch people ??? How long you are going to stay???..OMG!!!. I love this country but I agree with your 5 downsides.
@RobotronSage
@RobotronSage 2 года назад
As if there is ANY money to be made in the Netherlands when everyone here is trying to stitch eachother up for 5 cents and 1/3rd of the country in debt?!?!?
@RobotronSage
@RobotronSage 2 года назад
''oh come to Netherlands we have first world economy'' reality: you WILL be poor and you will NOT get ahead.
@ingilizcetvim
@ingilizcetvim 2 года назад
how would you feel when foreigners ask dutch people whether your grandparents were Nazis and whether you are blunt all the time and whether you don't make friends with foreigners and ask you what you think about your dark past in Malaysia and Indonesia at the first second they meet you ?
@AnT-ik1fh
@AnT-ik1fh 2 месяца назад
@@ingilizcetvim what? the first questions are usually how many coffeeshops are in your town and how often you visit the red light district lol. and if you are abroad they will ask if you sell any adult candy 😅
@murphyebass7837
@murphyebass7837 2 года назад
Nice selection of whiskey behind you. Particularly Glendalough. As an Irish man I have to say it’s underrated. Has a heavy corn bill leading to a very sweet almost bourbon flavour.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 2 года назад
Haha thanks! I like drinking whiskey but I don't know much about it. Glendalough was gifted to me by an Irish friend, and it's become my favourite one so far! God bless Irish people 😊
@jessp1535
@jessp1535 2 года назад
👍Great video Murat , thank you for sharing your honest opinion. It does picture pretty much what to expect in Amsterdam. Insane the rent /living . Would you think in terms of accommodation cost in Eindhoven is a very different history € any advice from you will be very helpful ? Regards from London.
@user-rx4jg8lq7h
@user-rx4jg8lq7h 3 года назад
I am Dutch and I think I get what you mean by 'microagressions'. Obviously the ones you mentioned were actually quite bad and blatant, but in my head I can "see" even smaller ones happening. I hate it when that happens because these microaggressions are often so subtle that it's actually difficult for me to say something about it, to step in and defend the foreign person. When you can't quite tell whether it was insulting or not, or you can't quite find the words to explain why it's offensive, it's hard! I've lived abroad, so maybe that's why I am a bit more sensitive to this issue? I think a lot of Dutch people, for all our internationalism (people coming here but we also travel a lot), have little experience being the outsider. One thing that I hypothesize happens/goes wrong, is that in Dutch culture, some people have this weird thing that by making a mildly offensive joke about you, they signal that you are good friends. Because if you aren't good friends you wouldn't be permitted to make jokes at each others' expense. So this could be a joke linking to your country or culture. However, a lot of Dutch people somehow don't have the sensitivity that if someone is already the outsider this will not feel inclusive at all. This will secretly hurt. They don't think they need to adjust/tone down this behavior, but they really should when the other person may come from a different culture. Sometimes I want to say to my fellow Dutchmen "you don't *have* to say these so-called funny things that come into your head". Also, I don't think most Dutch people realize how bad they themselves handle jokes or a little bit of criticism as in this video about Dutch culture. (NB: I don't say this to make excuses for Dutch people by explaining it away as a cultural difference; I just try to understand why they do it and why they can't see how it's hurtful)
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
M thank you so much for your comments. You get exactly what I mean and what it feels like. Obviously, I can take jokes from friends. Actually I think race jokes can be the funniest if done well. But I'm talking about people that I don't know and that want to show me their 'superiority' by making stupid assumptions about my country. But it's good to know there are people that are sensitive about these things! 😊🙏
@daydaykeyis
@daydaykeyis 3 года назад
I can relate, I once asked a Cambodia kid it must be expensive for him to live abroad... he didn’t take it well, but on my side I’m just starting a conversation and showing general care about him...
@LOKI77able
@LOKI77able 2 года назад
I've been countless times to the Netherlands but have never actually lived there. However, I know of foreigners that live or have lived in the country who wrote that being "direct" and speaking your mind often does not go both ways there: it seems like migrants are perceived or called out as "too sensitive" if they cannot handle Dutch directness, however, when foreigners based there politely voice their criticisms about NL and its people, these comments often do not go down well with locals...I don't know whether this has been your experience as well.
@ricardomeertens9165
@ricardomeertens9165 2 года назад
Don't come here them were not going to change who we are because you don't like it. Then maybe choose another country.
@user-rx4jg8lq7h
@user-rx4jg8lq7h 2 года назад
@@ricardomeertens9165 Too bad, I *am* going to 'change' (rather, be a different kind of Dutch person) because people have indicated they don't like it. I believe in changing the parts of culture/yourself that aren't so good.
@azaelia2000
@azaelia2000 4 года назад
How can the weather suck? I love it. I HATE hot humid weather . I live in India and its torture summers are mad I visited TN in December and I loved the cold. Plus it's to each his/her own. I love rainy weather, dark skies, hate the sun. So its upto each individual. Moreover I hate it when people call the last minute to "make plans." I block my dates and plan my calender even here for a month. That's called planning esp if you have a consistent work or studied. I think being organized is a good thing.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
N K everything I said is personal. I started my video stating that.
@Boborjan1986
@Boborjan1986 4 года назад
Nah, the weather is actually pretty mild, practically im half naked like 99% of the year, and the last time my windows were shut was when the rain was showering into the room. Most people here dont know what is scorching hot or bonefreezing cold. Im just laughing at them all year around when they complaining about weather. :D
@oyounes5945
@oyounes5945 3 года назад
You got the social aspects on point
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Thanks!
@massiela.506
@massiela.506 3 года назад
Hey I have planned move to Netherland and this video is really helpful. Thanks
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
You're very welcome 😊 check out my other videos too 🙏
@Kenhraim
@Kenhraim 4 года назад
Born and raised here, I totally get all your points. People can get quite nasty sometimes, just like the weather its not intentional haha.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
Hahah good point! :D
@daimybisseling251
@daimybisseling251 3 года назад
I do think it is a bit like Zwarte Piet. People don’t know what it is like “ on the other side” . No empathy. It is not intentional, just uneducated.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
@@daimybisseling251 yes I think because it's such an open minded and developed country people tend to think everything they do here is fine and cannot be wrong, but often times it is. Like zwarte piet indeed. :)
@koffiegast
@koffiegast 3 года назад
@@daimybisseling251 It is also that those people new here did not try to look or understand the Dutch side. Especially Americans just call it blackface, a Hollywood phenomenon yet they project it on the Dutch which has a much longer and richer and totally different background. You will see many more cultures in Europe have a person colored black... not because of racism (mind you, people with more melanine in their skin were an extreme rarity for the better part of humanity until the last 100-50 years or so). Calling people racist for what they considered normal, had no racist intention or effect... is now becoming a racist thing... it is just sad.
@sumimaind
@sumimaind 2 года назад
Just because it's not intentional that doesn't make it ok. I've experienced people in the NL saying bluntly racist things and when I called it out, people were very dismissive saying it was't intentional. I feel like this word is sometimes used to downplay racism
@thomastoadie9006
@thomastoadie9006 4 года назад
Everything Murat says is 100% reasonable and zero% outright BS. Good job!
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
Thanks Thomas! 🙏
@AlwaysChillinTime
@AlwaysChillinTime 2 года назад
Great video! Watching from Texas, only know English so far so thank you for this version
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 2 года назад
Thanks! Greetings to Texas 😊💙
@jmudikun
@jmudikun 2 года назад
You are extremely kind in your remarks, especially in the last part.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 2 года назад
Thank you 😊
@mar3053
@mar3053 4 года назад
You NAILED it !!!
@Bb0909sh7
@Bb0909sh7 4 года назад
the second one is so not true, almost every time i meet up with my friends it’s spontaneous
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
S Buis good for you
@Bb0909sh7
@Bb0909sh7 4 года назад
Murat Eren well, that’s not rlly the point of my comment. i’m trying to clarify that the social structure you explained is only for a few social circles
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
S Buis I've been living here for almost 9 years and almost every foreigner I've met says the same thing. Maybe you were lucky and you managed to meet some super spontaneous Dutch people. In any case, we cannot generalize of course but this is my observation and I definitely think it's way different than my culture. Even in the inburgeringsexamen there are questions like you find out it's your neighbour's birthday so what do you do? And the answer is you definitely don't ring their bell, you should always leave a card or arrange a day to visit me. To me that's crazy! 😅
@hov7663
@hov7663 3 года назад
@@murateren5712 I feel like referring to cultural differences as crazy isn’t very open minded either? No disrespect, you either like that social structure or you don’t, but it’s not bad or crazy - just different.
@shimamarneth9673
@shimamarneth9673 3 года назад
Totally agree with you👏🏽
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Thanks 🙏
@MsClever26
@MsClever26 3 года назад
I just applied for studies there and never knew this. thank you
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Good luck with your application!
@hjge1012
@hjge1012 3 года назад
1. True 2. Really depends on the people you know. There are plenty of people I know that do just call a buddy and go out for a drink 5 minutes later. Honestly not sure what the trend is here -- or if there even is one. Maybe this is a trend among expats and the people that live around there? I'm not sure. My only suggestion here would be: try some different social circles. There are plenty of people in here the Netherlands that don't live their life planned and structured. About the small talk: I agree. It's really annoying -- and I was born in the Netherlands. You can get more depth in some places and in some circles, though I agree that the overall trend is that most social interaction in the workplace is pretty shallow (and annoying). 3. I don't really see the issue here. I for one highly doubt you'll have trouble finding friend, because you ran out of people. There is also plenty of jobs and job opportunities imo. Housing can be a bit difficult atm though, but that is due to mismanagement by the government. 4. Mostly true. Don't really want to get into a discussion about taxes though. Taxes are there for a reason and also give something back. Housing is pretty bad atm though (again, due to missmanagement). Food on the other hand is pretty cheap when compared to other EU countries. Besides the housing issue(whiich is pretty important), it honestly isn't so bad when compared to other EU countries. 5. Some of those examples are blatantly racist, while others are things any foreigner has to hear any most countries(at least in my experience), and I don't see them as an issue. I've heard things like: "how come your English is so good" plenty of times -- which imo isn't a problem at all. Most of the other things I haven't heard ever. So unsure how big of an issue this is really.
@LaurenPlitUK
@LaurenPlitUK 4 года назад
Haha the planning and being indoors and the small country part are pros for me 😂 I'm a sad sad person.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
Lauren Bubb haha nice then you're lucky! 😄
@LaurenPlitUK
@LaurenPlitUK 4 года назад
@@murateren5712 living in South Africa. Hoping in a year or so we can move over :) we will see
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 4 года назад
Lauren Bubb good luck!
@vemulaabhinav1593
@vemulaabhinav1593 2 года назад
Hey Can I know where did you buy your sweater ? It looks damn good !!
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 2 года назад
Haha thanks! It was from Tommy Hilfigher. 😄
@finbeats
@finbeats 2 года назад
I'm moving from New Zealand and we only have 4M people lol 17 seems huge from my perspective! Great Video dude!
@alonaplishko2213
@alonaplishko2213 3 года назад
Well Netherland is nice but Turkey)))is such a cool place)) I have been to Marmaris lately...such a paradise
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Too bad it's burning down right now :(
@user-rx4jg8lq7h
@user-rx4jg8lq7h 2 года назад
@@murateren5712 Hope things will get better.
@baryalayamady5627
@baryalayamady5627 2 года назад
That was the reason I left Netherlands after 15 years west my time in the Netherlands I am now in London much better feeling and freedom but yes every country has own negative and positive
@RobotronSage
@RobotronSage 2 года назад
I'm thinking of going back to London too. Dutch people are way too apathetic to even care about common human decencies.
@ingilizcetvim
@ingilizcetvim 2 года назад
here we go! another victim
@ingilizcetvim
@ingilizcetvim Год назад
Turks prefer to live in USA where they can achieve their potential and where they wont face racism like they do in Netherlands. Turks can win Nobel prizes like Aziz Sancar did in 2015 and be CEOs etc. here is the list... turkofamerica.com/index.php/others/life-style/item/2466-the-50-most-influential-turkish-americans and moreover en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Turkish_Americans .As you can see many Turks can work in universities and professors etc .What can Turks be in your small country ? just losers and secondary class citizens who will do second class jobs ? With your black and white schools and education system , you will only produce more secondary class citizens. and tell me how many immigrant professors ,CEOs, nobel prize winners did your country produce ? You just want to use immigrants to do your dirty jobs and give them secondary class education and produce more and more losers. And later you complain that these people didn't integrate ? are you in denial?
@iamonthursday6339
@iamonthursday6339 3 года назад
Thankyou for sharing 😊 and now I become your subscriber ☺ keep bloging 😄🤗
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Iam OnThursday thank you!! 😊🙏
@dr13agon
@dr13agon 3 года назад
Güzel taktik :) Thanks for video!
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Umut Derman Tacyildiz taktik olan nedir?
@dr13agon
@dr13agon 3 года назад
@@murateren5712 İnsanlara, kendilerini savunma hakkı sunmak :) Aslında "taktik" kelimesi pek uygun olmamış kusura bakmayın, "düşünce" demem daha uygun olurdu.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
@@dr13agon anladim, tesekkurler :) onlar da bolca savundular kendilerini sag olsunlar :D
@aguilarkristine7022
@aguilarkristine7022 3 года назад
You can hardly survive without a side hustle 😂
@lebronj5491
@lebronj5491 3 года назад
😂 😂 😂 I am a carpenter making about €130
@NathanLewis7871
@NathanLewis7871 3 года назад
😲 😲 😲 😲
@stayhappy1161
@stayhappy1161 3 года назад
@@carmellacarie6827 I am a trader too did you sign up for any course or did you self learn?
@jakethompson8737
@jakethompson8737 3 года назад
Gym instructor
@onieodelia5840
@onieodelia5840 3 года назад
I heard some even earn double of that.
@FRANCISCARUSOworld
@FRANCISCARUSOworld 3 года назад
I agree 100% with all you've said in this video. I am living here and these are also the hardest points for me.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Good to hear that there are people who agree!
@Jurjen_Warrel_Ottenhoff
@Jurjen_Warrel_Ottenhoff 3 года назад
I mostly agree with this video. One thing I do want to say about the social experiance. I think it depends a lot on who your friends are and possebly where you live. I regularly call friends to ask if they have time for a visitor, or to do something together right now. Or, more likely, wthin an hour or so. And to the point of cost. Yes, Amsterdam is expensive. Groningen, for instance, a lot less so. A studio or smaller appartment will cost you half or less, compared to Amsterdam. And that's something really important. Don't focus on amterdam or the "randstad" to much. There is so much more to our little dot on the globe.
@Criszgz22
@Criszgz22 2 года назад
Groningen is very expensive too...
@eppsislike
@eppsislike 3 года назад
I don't know where you were during the last three summers, but these were the most hottest and consistent summers I've witnessed. Which makes for an enjoyable experience. Other than that, you're pretty spot on.
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
I was here, but different people have different perceptions of summer 😊
@Jerry-ms4og
@Jerry-ms4og 3 года назад
Sounds like a perfect place to live to me.
@epbbarcia174
@epbbarcia174 3 года назад
Yeah, about as perfect as it can get.
@TheStruggler0
@TheStruggler0 3 года назад
@@Waterdiver3900 hahash i’m going 2 go 2 NEDERLANDS and watch Ajax’s matches🥰
@andrewagemaker2704
@andrewagemaker2704 2 года назад
It is better than Turkey
@embr33
@embr33 2 года назад
You said it yourself ... to you. Only
@Kalyugi_insaan
@Kalyugi_insaan 3 года назад
I have been in Netherlands twice for 2 months and I love Netherlands. I want to spend my whole life there. I wish I can do that 😍
@Kalyugi_insaan
@Kalyugi_insaan 3 года назад
@Каан Каглаян oh .. yes problem is everywhere in the world but I must say you are lucky that you are living in Netherlands .. I stayed in Rotterdam , I visited Utrecht, Nijmegen , den Haag and many places I enjoyed a lot
@Kalyugi_insaan
@Kalyugi_insaan 3 года назад
@Каан Каглаян waooo nice beautiful place ❤️❤️❤️
@hotasian9205
@hotasian9205 3 года назад
@Каан Каглаян why
@girlyncaffee2810
@girlyncaffee2810 2 года назад
Dutch are friendliest and willing to talk and listen..i live in the border of Germany and Netherlands and Im very happy living here when i just came bcoz they are willing to help and everywhere i go just like Supermarkets and everything document related i can go alone without my husband unlike in Germany im always hesitated although o can speak good german..
@maartjewaterman1193
@maartjewaterman1193 2 года назад
It is kind of funny hoe foreigners can react quite differently about the Dutch weather. I once met an Italian in that country and he told me how pleasently amazed he was with the fact that in the Netherlands you could get to your hotel when the sun was radiantly shining without a cloud in sight and five minutes later you had to use an umbrella to avoid getting soaking wet. He loved that. I had a friend who was born and raised in Australia and married a Dutch man, came to live in the Netherlands and she often said how she loved the change of seasons here so much that she never wanted to live in her native country again coz here she felt so much more alive here. The first few years, she couldn't stop buying warm sweaters coz in Australia people wear the same summer clothing all year long.
@Misterjingle
@Misterjingle 2 года назад
As the opposite side of the spectrum, you have me. I used to live in Lille (so basically Dutch weather), and hated it there. I felt like I was loosing time of my life during the winter. The Netherlands is really a cool country, don’t get me wrong, I love it as a tourist, but the weather is what makes it impossible for me to consider living outside the Mediterranean 😅
@wellcherry4514
@wellcherry4514 3 года назад
those problems sounds great when u compare it with Austria XD
@murateren5712
@murateren5712 3 года назад
Hehe :)
@Zuiker1
@Zuiker1 4 года назад
I never heard the "microagresion" part
@sjabloon12
@sjabloon12 4 года назад
There is. But always have been in the Netherlands. Even before the migration flood came. But since they don't know it, the dutch are racist and so on. The Dutch are the most welcoming and emancipating country I know, but still the most racist one by those leftist idiots.
@eds5709
@eds5709 3 года назад
Hoi Murat. I partially agree with your reasons. However I don't recognize nr.2 in my own surrounding. I can visit everyone (of my friends) any time I want to, day or night. When you're talking about people who are not relatives or friends you maybe right, but I think that's also the case in other countries. I also don't agree with nr.3. We live in a small country which makes it easier to get to know new friends. My wife lives in Italy which means you have to travel for hours to visit friends and relatives. In Holland you can travel the wole country in 4 hours(?) maybe less. Nr 5 is a subject that emerged the last 20 years or so. Since the start of Social media we didn't pay to much attention to the lack of social communication that followed. We met "friends" online and all of a sudden we connected with hundreds of virtual friends which all agreed with everything you 'stand' for. This is logical because FB, YT and other media will automatically connect you with people that share the same interest. This means the world will appear more one-sighted than people are in real life. This is causing diversity and tension between people which is fed by people who benefit from it. Compliments for your video and fortunately we agree about one thing that sucks in The Netherlands... the weather :-(( Stay safe, behave and be brave Murat :-)
@jeffdawson2786
@jeffdawson2786 3 года назад
It seems like it’s always the afternoon in the Netherlands. But I miss the bicycle culture and all the great Turkish pizza parlors.
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