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These hiking stories sound downright fake, but are actually true.
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@klhaldane
@klhaldane 10 месяцев назад
Re the jar of salsa - the first real "starvation studies" were done by French doctors interviewing the men who survived the Grande Armee's retreat from Moscow in 1812. Apparently there is a big difference in survival between having a tiny amount of food and no food at all - men reported surviving on a mug of tea twice a day, or one man who had a parcel of beef stock cubes received in a letter from home.
@whims6278
@whims6278 10 месяцев назад
This is so interesting I'll have to look more into it- thanks! It's crazy what our bodies can survive on
@silvermainecoons3269
@silvermainecoons3269 10 месяцев назад
@@wakranich3488. Survivor? That dumb reality tv show? I didn’t even know it was still on. Somehow I don’t think they actually let contestants starve….would they? 😳
@HellyeahRook
@HellyeahRook 10 месяцев назад
@@silvermainecoons3269 The show would intervein if anyone's life was in danger for any reason, but that person would be taken off the show and to a hospital to recover. Otherwise they do starve, contestants lose a lot of weight.
@bunnyluver2176
@bunnyluver2176 9 месяцев назад
​@@HellyeahRookYeah ok 👌 if you believe reality TV is reality I got a bridge for sale you might be interested in over in Brooklyn 😂
@morticiaheisenberg9679
@morticiaheisenberg9679 9 месяцев назад
​@@silvermainecoons3269it would be a better show if they were actually starving instead of just being dbags on a "reality show"😂😂😂. Also, Maine coons are the best❤
@ocalafl954
@ocalafl954 10 месяцев назад
That daughter trying to save her mother was absolutely incredible! Thank God for a stranger in the right place at the right time!
@jmax8692
@jmax8692 10 месяцев назад
What god? Thank the stranger….
@johndoe-lr9if
@johndoe-lr9if 10 месяцев назад
The fool has said in his heart there is no God
@user-df8zq5nx8l
@user-df8zq5nx8l 9 месяцев назад
That man is a fool.
@vinnielalumia
@vinnielalumia 8 месяцев назад
The incredible one is the dude who actually saved her mom
@katelynholmes9504
@katelynholmes9504 7 месяцев назад
They should be thankful for both the dude and whatever Providence that let him cross paths with them. Guys, thanking God doesn’t mean you’re not grateful for the humans too lol
@domilontano
@domilontano 10 месяцев назад
Mom almost falling off the cliff made me cry. The love of a good mom is a force of nature; she was willing to fall to her death to save her daughter. Thank goodness that guy was there to help!
@pecopicante4167
@pecopicante4167 9 месяцев назад
I saw that on another video somewhere and I was bawling when I saw the footage.
@lannamama2034
@lannamama2034 9 месяцев назад
Talk about the guy being in the right place at the right time! That was a miracle to just stumble upon. Added plus it was all caught on his go pro. 2 lucky women! They all worked together and he gave the extra oooomppphhhh needed. Must've been intense.
@joiathegreat
@joiathegreat 9 месяцев назад
yeah that really got me
@_MjG_
@_MjG_ 7 месяцев назад
All true except we don't know if she would've fallen to her death, or even hurt anything other than minor injuries. People have fallen down sides of steep grade cliffs, even multi hundreds of feet & come out virtually unharmed.
@pecopicante4167
@pecopicante4167 7 месяцев назад
@@_MjG_ the full video of it goes into a steep dive to a rocky outcove at the bottom of basically a cliff. It would be at least a medivac ride assuming they could get to her location in time
@Emy53
@Emy53 10 месяцев назад
That daughter had a strong will and love, to save her mother. She is amazing especially because she had a challenge herself, but she didn't let that stop her. Many blessings to these amazing women, and these hikers.
@vinnielalumia
@vinnielalumia 8 месяцев назад
Way to be ignorant on purpose
@JamieJai
@JamieJai 8 месяцев назад
Aaah an incel has entered the chat.
@lannamama2034
@lannamama2034 8 месяцев назад
Both were troopers! Had to have been terrifying til dude just randomly popped up to help.
@lannamama2034
@lannamama2034 8 месяцев назад
@@JamieJai 😆😆🤣🤣
@ivanvarykino8202
@ivanvarykino8202 9 месяцев назад
The multiple rescuse story hits a little close to home but mine involved water rescue from a newly purchased boat. The 2nd time in same day I had to radio for help, my buddy was in process of getting tangled up in thick weeds trying to swim to shore for help. Terrifying. The same safety officers that arrived broadcast one statement: "You guys again?!". Yup, end of boating hobby. Sold the boat 👍🏼😄
@lannamama2034
@lannamama2034 9 месяцев назад
😂😂😂
@joanhoffman3702
@joanhoffman3702 9 месяцев назад
You learned from your mistake. You get to survive another day! 😂😂😂
@annatanneberger1
@annatanneberger1 9 месяцев назад
🤣🤣
@yat3700
@yat3700 8 месяцев назад
😆😆😆
@rt66vintage16
@rt66vintage16 8 месяцев назад
I've heard that the best day is buying a boat, and the next best day is selling the boat.
@PhxVanguard
@PhxVanguard 9 месяцев назад
I'm from Arizona and can speak pretty confidently on the last story. Every year we get idiots visiting from the east coast and midwest who think that when it's 115 out that they can hike north mountain, or camelback without water at 2pm. Every year we hear about emergency evacuations happening. I once (a few years back) lived in a condo near Squaw Peak and someone was stranded on the mountain in the middle of the night. I could hear the helicopter and could see it flying about from my balcony. She had figured that she could hike without water at night because the sun wasn't out... scorpions and rattlesnakes be damned, apparently. it happens with such frequency that the state legislature mulled over proposing a "stupid hiker" law to match our "dumb motorist" law. basically, if you ignore common sense, you will pay the cost of your rescue and helicopters are expensive.
@belindal9181
@belindal9181 9 месяцев назад
I’m here in Az too, born and raised here. The stories you hear! People that come here just don’t have a clue about our desert.
@user-df8zq5nx8l
@user-df8zq5nx8l 9 месяцев назад
I live in paradise Valley in az and I recall about a year and a half ago a girl from Boston came out here in July or August and went hiking echo canyon with some guy who was a police officer and ended up dying in someone's backyard. No water!
@janelleg597
@janelleg597 8 месяцев назад
Let me guess. They didn't pass it.
@tullochgorum6323
@tullochgorum6323 7 месяцев назад
I've walked on moors and mountains all my life here in the UK. Everything's on a smaller scale but the weather is very changeable and can be ferocious. I regularly run into people who are totally unprepared for the conditions and/or have no idea where they are and how to get down. I've often had to abandon my day and guide them to safety. The stubbornness and lack of common sense can be astounding. One time at dusk after a long ice route we were making a dash for the valley from the top of Ben Nevis, our highest mountain, in the face of a blizzard sweeping in from the Atlantic. We came across a solo woman in street clothes and high-heeled shoes plodding through the snow and ice towards the summit - notorious for its complex navigation and treacherous cornices. She refused our advice to turn around, so we had to literally carry her down against her will. Technically I guess it was kidnapping, but if we had let her go on her chance of survival would have been 0%.
@SunRabbit
@SunRabbit 6 месяцев назад
@@tullochgorum6323 Even a cobblestone street is difficult in high-heels, and she goes mountain climbing in them? More than stupidity at work there. I'm sure she had at least 15 credit cards on her. Those come in real handy on mountaintops.
@arnehusby1420
@arnehusby1420 6 месяцев назад
Here in Norway with its harsh climate, we have a number of rescue operations after tourists who have done something stupid in our wild mountains. If a tourist has done something really stupid, like climbing barefoot and gets stuck on a ledge. Can they risk getting a bigger bill, if large resources have been spent on picking him up. For normal rescue operations due to bad weather, fog or a lot of snow. Of course, those who are saved will not have to pay.
@surfergirl2943
@surfergirl2943 10 месяцев назад
Such a good topic Kyle !! My niece was one of the people who retrieved the mountains lion who attacked him. She’s one of the big cat specialists for the state of CO - such a crazy story!
@bethaniel841
@bethaniel841 9 месяцев назад
Wow, what a job! 😮 You go neice! 😊
@surfergirl2943
@surfergirl2943 9 месяцев назад
@@bethaniel841 thank you ! ☺️ Yes we are so proud of her haha !!
@lannamama2034
@lannamama2034 9 месяцев назад
That's a hell of a job! What a dream to get up and close to big cats.
@surfergirl2943
@surfergirl2943 9 месяцев назад
@@lannamama2034 ya ! She’s had an absolute blast doing it. 😊
@zendog8888
@zendog8888 9 месяцев назад
I hope he got to keep the mountain lion. That would be a cool taxidermy to have in the house. Like yeah. I choked that thing with my bare hands when it tried to kill me. lol
@ekhouser614
@ekhouser614 10 месяцев назад
Baffled by the Humphrey's Peak story. I've done that hike, and the my profile pic is quite literally from that summit. No mountaineering experience necessary, and a very easy hike up and back in short time. How on Earth could someone get into that much trouble two times in a row?? Ouch.
@LillibitOfHere
@LillibitOfHere 10 месяцев назад
He was probably an inside person. 😬 Not that I can really talk, I only go on easy hikes.
@nontrashfire2
@nontrashfire2 10 месяцев назад
​@LizGardener I misunderstood your comment at first. I thought you were implying that it was a conspiracy 😂
@mountainwench7763
@mountainwench7763 9 месяцев назад
If you are not acclimated to high altitude it would be a challenging hike and someone from NYC would not be used to high elevation hiking. Also, there was probably a lot of snow up there. I lived at the base of the San Francisco Peaks for 37 years. The weather up there can change quickly. That was a really dumb time of year for him to choose to attempt that hike. It is a beautiful, though, and in good weather it's very doable.
@younkinjames8571
@younkinjames8571 9 месяцев назад
He was an inside cat...
@PhxVanguard
@PhxVanguard 9 месяцев назад
the near blizzard conditions likely contributed.
@C.O._Jones
@C.O._Jones 10 месяцев назад
Choking out a mountain lion with his bare hands is the most metal thing ever. He’s lucky it was just a baby! And yes, you got the pronunciation of Multnomah Falls correct. 👍🏻
@feralcruz2093
@feralcruz2093 8 месяцев назад
Choking a baby mountain lion is coward shit
@vinceimp9581
@vinceimp9581 10 месяцев назад
Humphreys peak is a solid hike but well defined until you get to that last bit above the ski lift. The rangers actually make a late day hike to round up such individuals.
@ae2948
@ae2948 10 месяцев назад
Wow ! Had no idea they started doing that.
@jimmysmith8231
@jimmysmith8231 9 месяцев назад
I had a friend who was mountain climbing in the Yukon Territory with a climbing partner and they got lost - they only survived because they found a cache of food left by an expedition from over 50 years before their climb.
@joanhoffman3702
@joanhoffman3702 9 месяцев назад
😮!
@CB-wq9wp
@CB-wq9wp 8 месяцев назад
What food could still be edible after 50 years? 🤔
@jimmysmith8231
@jimmysmith8231 8 месяцев назад
@@CB-wq9wp Dried fruit and canned goods (including flour)
@shanetaggart6060
@shanetaggart6060 2 месяца назад
​@@CB-wq9wpwatch Steve1989 he's eaten 70 years old mre's
@shanetaggart6060
@shanetaggart6060 2 месяца назад
​@@CB-wq9wpjust looked on steve1989's page again and he's eaten food from 1917
@Kiraiko44
@Kiraiko44 8 месяцев назад
okay the mom being willing to just sacrifice herself so her daughter didn't get hurt or worse trying to save her made me sob a bit. my mom died when I was a teenager, I always feel that loss very keenly when I see instances of how much mothers love their children. I know not every mom is perfect, but it's true that no one ever loves you the way your mother does.
@sip_water
@sip_water 10 месяцев назад
I've never felt sketched out by a cougar in 15 years of hiking the cougar dense area I live. But I almost got attacked by a cougar playing Pokemon Go at 3 in the morning. Cub crossing the road where I was walking with dilated eyes and a glowing phone shoved in my face, with its mother in the treeline.
@the_bloody_hound
@the_bloody_hound 8 месяцев назад
You know you kind of did it to yourself going out hiking at three in the morning, I’m not saying you shouldn’t, but I’m sure you know that the cougars are more likely to be out at night
@jmh2105
@jmh2105 8 месяцев назад
@sip_water : "A Cougar playing Pokemon Go" at 3am... This would be pretty life changing for Most ppl!
@phaedrapage4217
@phaedrapage4217 8 месяцев назад
I've been almost run over by deer on three separate occasions within a block of my own house. In town! Twice by does with fawns in tow and once by a good sized buck, all 3 times because they were paying more attention to the cars and didn't notice my pedestrian ass until they were damn near on top of me. Luckily none of them saw me as a threat.
@everburninglamp
@everburninglamp 10 месяцев назад
I’m so pleased that webcam man was saved, being a viewer of random webcams it must have been pretty epic too see that!
@SkullBro
@SkullBro 10 месяцев назад
And.. it so funny to say 'lol you can't get lost' but damn, if you're in the fog - or even a bright sunny day dehydrated, tired, hungry.. everything starts looking the same, your reason fails you. Fog is especially bad because it starts to play with the sounds you hear as well.
@ryanm839
@ryanm839 10 месяцев назад
I honestly love how scary the woods are, that’s half the fun!
@adamantium4797
@adamantium4797 6 месяцев назад
Yes
@RH-tv9hk
@RH-tv9hk 5 месяцев назад
Same! That's why I love scary forest movies - but I'll never go into them again!😁
@UpwardsIntoTheRabbitHole
@UpwardsIntoTheRabbitHole 5 месяцев назад
Idiots...
@mercedesaponte6201
@mercedesaponte6201 10 месяцев назад
Kyle - I appreciate the first story about the runner at Horsetooth Reservoir. I'm a Coloradan since 1974 and have trained in CO for 40 years (former pro cyclist). I can tell you this story about the young (less than a year old) mountain lion was unfortunate and sad. The Dept of Wildlife said the is mountain lion was young, likely lost it's mother and was in poor shape and starving. It would never go after a full grown human otherwise. So sad for both. Just saying!
@jenniferfoote5442
@jenniferfoote5442 10 месяцев назад
I appreciate this comment..in no way do i want to take away how terrifying it was for Travis and i am positive we would all do what he did to survive..i just cant help but feel sad for the baby mountain lion 😕 but im sure he in no way felt good about having to kill it I am so, so glad he is alive..i cannot imagine his terror!
@rushmaned
@rushmaned 10 месяцев назад
A mountain lion will attack you for no reason other than you are in its territory ... They are not tranquil creatures...they are predators and a mountain lion will eat your child alive.....
@barbarapaine8054
@barbarapaine8054 9 месяцев назад
Yes, unfortunately there wasn’t the option of tossing it a steak. It was kill or be killed. I would also hate to be in that position.
@mercedesaponte6201
@mercedesaponte6201 9 месяцев назад
@@jenniferfoote5442 this didn't happen to Travis.
@mercedesaponte6201
@mercedesaponte6201 9 месяцев назад
@@barbarapaine8054 I agree it was a fight or flight situation. He's just lucky it wasn't a full grown, healthy mountain lion. The woods are dangerous - we all know this. There was another instant of a kid jumping on a trampoline in the mountains and his folks were not around or watching him. Guess who was? They saw the cougar at the last minute and saved their kid. People don't think that when they are in the CO Rockies or just out for a run.
@thebluehotel426
@thebluehotel426 9 месяцев назад
I live in southern AZ and every summer at least 1 group of foreign tourists gets in a distressed situation and need to be rescued. They don't realize how hot and strenuous it becomes.
@simonagree4070
@simonagree4070 10 месяцев назад
Aww... that poor mountain lion! Practically a kitten! (With big sharp teeth and claws.) 😅 I heard a rustling in the bushes when I was camping near the Russian River. Spent half the night worrying about it. Next morning, it turned out to be a tortoise going down to the river for a drink. Speaking of which, there's high liquid content in salsa -- I'd rather have the salsa than the chips!
@SheilaDuzan
@SheilaDuzan 10 месяцев назад
Yeah, chips would probably be very dehydrating.
@SheilaDuzan
@SheilaDuzan 10 месяцев назад
But, you could use them for fire 🔥 😊
@phaedrapage4217
@phaedrapage4217 8 месяцев назад
The salt on the chips could be a source of electrolytes though, couldn't it?
@Ellie-rx3jt
@Ellie-rx3jt 7 месяцев назад
I freaked out thinking that there was an intruder in our front garden a few months ago. Nope, it was a hedgehog. Them and tortoises give zero fucks about how much noise they make. Guess that's what happens when you're predator proof 😅
@littlebear274
@littlebear274 3 месяца назад
@@phaedrapage4217 The salt would also dehydrate you, so it would depend on whether clean water was easily found on how helpful they'd be. If there was plenty of water available then chips would be okay, though if there was plenty of water there'd also be plenty of plants and even if you aren't familiar with them you can test them slowly to see if any are safe to eat. (Typically you want to start by pressing them against your skin and then waiting to see if there's a reaction, then next tasting but not swallowing, then eating a very tiny amount, etc. It is definitely a slow process, but unless something is poisonous enough to kill you from ingesting almost nothing then it can be done.)
@thewildfolk6849
@thewildfolk6849 10 месяцев назад
I do enjoy the last story. “Stupid hikers” would be a fun series
@jewel65
@jewel65 10 месяцев назад
We all have nitwit moments. It's nice when it's not your turn 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Muslim_Momma
@Muslim_Momma 9 месяцев назад
I love that Kyle didn’t use the guy’s name. I hate it when RU-vidrs humiliate people for likes and views. Unless a person is a murderer and/or clearly an evil person, no one deserves to be humiliated en masse.
@somerandomguy706
@somerandomguy706 10 месяцев назад
I started laughing the second you said NYC. That dude is a Darwin award nomination waiting to happen.
@TuskKult
@TuskKult 9 месяцев назад
Guy is an absolute bozo..😂That story should go with the definition of "Citiot".
@derrekanderson1387
@derrekanderson1387 9 месяцев назад
😂
@joshuarichardson6529
@joshuarichardson6529 9 месяцев назад
New Yorker: If you can make it here, you can make it anywhere. Mountain: Wanna bet?
@katecassidy9357
@katecassidy9357 9 месяцев назад
He sounds the cowboys in those old salsa commercials who go “this stuff was made in New York City??”
@carrieromig9124
@carrieromig9124 9 месяцев назад
​@@TuskKult😊😊l😊
@sonjarygg2331
@sonjarygg2331 10 месяцев назад
The first 1/2 of the salsa was eaten with the chips. That's why half a jar. Lol I live so close to where Eric was saved...fairly populated area. So glad he was saved.
@JamieJai
@JamieJai 10 месяцев назад
A million ..... too much??? My dude you deserve wayyy more!! I'm not into hiking AT ALL and I'm totally hooked on your channel!!! Your an AMAZING narrator, editor and all the other tech stuff I'll never be able to wrap my brain around!!! Set your sights higher than Everest!!! CUZ YOU DESERVE IT!! AMAZING CHANNEL!!!🏆👏😊 And much love Rhode Island 💯💞
@krustycreme1093
@krustycreme1093 7 месяцев назад
I agree! he's a great story teller! Its never boring, and his sense of humour whilst also being respectful of peoples situations and stories is great!
@kirstybrown1185
@kirstybrown1185 6 месяцев назад
He didn’t say it was too much. He said it was too early for that many. Unless you do it badly and buy not subs. That would be unrealistic. It also encourages trolls to be nasty about what he has. He’s a humble man, that’s why he tells the stories so well. He doesn’t think he’s above anyone in it. He will get there but that’s not what he said.
@koalabear3427
@koalabear3427 7 дней назад
I agree. I'm not a hiker but love his channel. Great editing and narration.
@chase-mode
@chase-mode 10 месяцев назад
Man I turned around on humpreys in the summer because of altitude sickness. People have too much pride and they risk others lives because of it too often.
@Big_Tex
@Big_Tex 10 месяцев назад
“Hello 911? It’s me again ….”
@donthompson567
@donthompson567 10 месяцев назад
Have been a number of mountain lion attacks in Colorado over the years. A park ranger saved her life from an attack by stabbing the mountain lion in the eye with her hemodes she used to gather insect samples. I personally had a mountain lion stalk me on the Colorado River and I booked out of there before he could get to me. Very scary. I live in New Jersey now so mountain lions will not be a problem here. There are none. Great work Kyle Good luck getting to 300,000. 👍✌️
@Yestradamus-
@Yestradamus- 10 месяцев назад
Actually …. Up by the Delaware Gap where the NE corner of Jersey is the highest point, mountain lion tracks have been found in the snow on top of that ridge. I’m seen tracks as far south as Lenape, Pa. on the roof of a detached garage. Seems that lion watched the people come home and walk to their house from that vantage point. Lots of equestrian and dairy around there. Fox hunting clubs, etc. Eastern woodlands are a perfect habitat for mountain lions. Especially the piedmont. I’ve heard stories of big cats in the Pine Barrens, too. They like to swim.
@DesertRat.45
@DesertRat.45 10 месяцев назад
.45 colt solves a lot of problems. .44 mag solves them all.
@donthompson567
@donthompson567 10 месяцев назад
@@Yestradamus- thanks didn't know that. Yeah the mountain lion that stalked me on the Colorado River was on a ridge above me following me as I fished my way down the river and I kept hearing something I turned around and saw him he was a ways away thank God and I ran like a mad dog back to my truck. I suspected there were mountain lion in Jersey I hike the Appalachian Trail quite often. According to Google there is no definitive proof of their existence in Jersey but lots of sightings of the actual animal and of tracks. 👍
@Yestradamus-
@Yestradamus- 10 месяцев назад
@@DesertRat.45 … M 70 series Colt .45 with hollow point, armor piercing ammo solves all problems and then some. Except for the “cleaners”.
@RideAcrossTheRiver
@RideAcrossTheRiver 10 месяцев назад
@@DesertRat.45 Blowing your foot off will help, yes.
@stephd2607
@stephd2607 10 месяцев назад
Taylor’s story made me cry! Truly an Angel sent to help. ❤
@marciasiste4851
@marciasiste4851 9 месяцев назад
I went in a trail with my partner. It was in an island in Quebec. The instructor of the place showed us in a map which trail to take because it would be easier and faster to return. We did everything fine until the time to return. We were walking for 4h, I was tired and wanted to be back taking the trial we were told to do but my partner wanted to go further a little more to take another trial, longer. There was a couple walking before us and they took the easier trial. So we were alone in the longer trial. After walking a while, we saw a huge wall of rock, land and trees. There was a rope to help who would dare try to climb it. I tried but I’m 60 years old and I was very tired, I didn’t make it. So, (and this is when things can go very very wrong! ) my partner said: maybe we could just go around to find a lower part to climb this wall… NOOOO!!! I screamed! We should NEVER, EVER leave the trail!!! We’ll get lost easily! So, we came back though the same trial and finally took the easy one. I was so scared to be lost and forgotten in that island that all the peace and joy I had walking in the forest and at the beach, watching the birds and the flowers, everything disappeared in a flash. I was so tired and afraid to not be able to return because of a pain in my knee! Anyway… living and learning.
@UnicornSpoonie
@UnicornSpoonie 5 месяцев назад
I’m just glad you got out safe and proud that you put your foot down about leaving the trail! 👏💛🙂
@ArcaneSpells
@ArcaneSpells 10 месяцев назад
1 MILLION SUBS = 24 HOUR CAMP CHAIR CHALLENGE, live-streamed In all seriousness, I’m confident we’ll see you get to a million!
@sway_onthetrail
@sway_onthetrail 10 месяцев назад
You know Kyle, since you've delved into the mystery side here a little bit, it might be interesting to look at missing 411 cases and maybe give your input on some of them, being an experienced backpacker and knowing what sort of things can happen unexpectedly. Just a thought, great content as always brother! Also, this is a good time to mention the 3x3 rule for survival given some of the stories. 3 minutes without oxygen or in freezing waters, 3 hours without shelter in a harsh environment, 3 days without water, and 3 weeks without food. Obviously there is some give or take here, but it is a good general guideline in a survival setting that I cosign as a biologist.
@teenapittman4241
@teenapittman4241 10 месяцев назад
I like the 411 case stories too, but it seems that the guy who wrote the books about them frowns on anyone else using his books as info sources. I can't remember his name and maybe it isn't true. I don't know. But MrBallen used to tell them on his youtube channel and stopped. People in the comments said that that is why.
@lannamama2034
@lannamama2034 9 месяцев назад
​@@teenapittman4241he seems to dislike if he's not cited it seems. Which makes sense. However the tragic tales he tells aren't his property. Just more pieces to the puzzle of those who just seem to disappear.
@teenapittman4241
@teenapittman4241 9 месяцев назад
Maybe so, and I don't blame him, but MrBallen not only cited his sources but encouraged listeners to purchase the books. So it may not be true at all and there may be another reason. I was just looking for answers as to why MrBallen quit telling them and I ran across that reason several times in the comment section. Now, I do know that MrBallen gradually changed his whole YT story format soon after he quit telling those stories and that may be why. I agree that the books are another piece to the puzzle, and the stories are truly tragic.@@lannamama2034
@Ellie-rx3jt
@Ellie-rx3jt 7 месяцев назад
​@@teenapittman4241 Mr ballen was also getting quite a lot of criticism from people (myself included) who got annoyed at the poor reporting/ommission of facts and baseless speculation of "weird" or "supernatural" factors, which is a major problem with the missing 411 guy as well, and it was a lot of those stories that were the problem. I don't know if that had anything to do with him stopping though. I stopped watching after about the 5th "it's so weird that this person suffering from hypothermia took of their clothing and shoes".
@SunRabbit
@SunRabbit 6 месяцев назад
David Paulides wrote all the Missing 411 books and made 3 movies about them. He invented the term "Missing 411" which he considers his brand, but by now it's become part of the language. It's like the word "escalator" used to be a brand name of escalator. He only takes offense when people use his data but then don't credit him.
@claudialunden3691
@claudialunden3691 9 месяцев назад
In that last story, going from sea level in NYC to high elevation, it’s very possible the guy wasn’t thinking clearly.
@SunRabbit
@SunRabbit 6 месяцев назад
Good point, never thought of that.
@rayosunshine
@rayosunshine 10 месяцев назад
That last guy didn't know to start small and work your way bigger when hiking for the first time. Guess he wanted the whole enchilada! Got any salsa dude?
@4444key
@4444key 7 месяцев назад
I love "no, you're not going anywhere!" This is so amazing!
@georgiaoldbiker
@georgiaoldbiker 10 месяцев назад
You had me laughing when you said the guy was from New York city and attempted a high mountain climb in the winter.
@danielleclark-zack864
@danielleclark-zack864 10 месяцев назад
First and foremost, I'd never judge anyone for perserrving their own life, no matter how bad because nature isn't fair. But man, I'd feel so bad having to kill a puma, even in self defense. I'd still try to, but man what a mix of emotions that must have been.
@pavlinas3422
@pavlinas3422 10 месяцев назад
Yes, I think about same thing 😸I love cats in all size. But look on that from puma eyes... 💀 Also I love this is "fair" duel, he have no weapon, puma didn't have a weapon...its something from fantasy world. I bow down for him 👍
@gloriasteed3597
@gloriasteed3597 5 месяцев назад
I couldn’t watch this because of the cougar story. The one I heard was sickening. The cat was a juvenile and the story is ridiculous.
@ChudActual
@ChudActual 10 месяцев назад
Homie choking out the mountain lion 100% had “Conan~ Aqurate” blasting.
@elizabethmcglothlin5406
@elizabethmcglothlin5406 10 месяцев назад
Some folks should not even go out in their yards without a keeper.
@joanhoffman3702
@joanhoffman3702 9 месяцев назад
Very true.
@candyphillips2642
@candyphillips2642 Месяц назад
Truth
@mistrjt9213
@mistrjt9213 10 месяцев назад
That’s what salsa dude gets for hiking on rocky terrain in prison flip flops.
@frustrateduser9933
@frustrateduser9933 10 месяцев назад
Now I have to go find the video of Taylor Root rescuing the mom
@4LayersOfStrength
@4LayersOfStrength 10 месяцев назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-asbfJM5Kv7Y.htmlfeature=shared
@learntechwithruth2147
@learntechwithruth2147 10 месяцев назад
Well can you imagine the bill the last guy got from search and rescue?
@wildside.nikki.
@wildside.nikki. 10 месяцев назад
For real!! I honestly want to know 😂😂😂
@dirtrider9268
@dirtrider9268 10 месяцев назад
There is no fee for a Sheriff's Search and Rescue or even two rescues. Those who pay County property taxes fund the agencies involved in County SAR. If you use In Reach or other Satellite sos communicator systems, they often have a rescue insurance policy included in the annual fee for chargeable agencies involved or in other countries. Don't get lost(carry a map), always hike w a buddy, be prepared for conditions... SAR are dedicated unpaid professionals who need you to be smart hikers.
@papajeff5486
@papajeff5486 10 месяцев назад
A helicopter rescue is $60,000.00, no kidding, sixty thousand dollars!!!
@jr.6199
@jr.6199 10 месяцев назад
@@papajeff5486 what circumstances, agency and who called for them? These facts actually matters... There is no standard cost on helo evac and I know from personal experience there is no cost for SAR rescue work. CHP flies patients for free (tax payer funded) if they happen to be close by.
@jr.6199
@jr.6199 10 месяцев назад
@@adriant1940 used to be on my Spot but each product is different and that can change at the companies whim...
@kathycasey9153
@kathycasey9153 10 месяцев назад
The Taylor root story had me crying. What a hero.
@ryanm839
@ryanm839 10 месяцев назад
Mountain lions are hands down the scariest animal in my eyes, though my state doesn’t have grizzlies soooo….
@montananerd8244
@montananerd8244 10 месяцев назад
Mine has both. I made eye contact with a mountain lion one night, while safely inside a vehicle. I've seen a bear in the wild while in a car, it was exciting but not terrifying. But the lion chilled my soul with his stare...
@nvtruant5994
@nvtruant5994 10 месяцев назад
The last guy calling Search and Rescue is arrogant, selfish, reckless and simple. He inconvenienced SAR members and potentially put them at risk saving him. I hope he was charged $$$
@PhxVanguard
@PhxVanguard 9 месяцев назад
he definitely sounds like a New Yorker. lol
@PhxVanguard
@PhxVanguard 9 месяцев назад
he definitely sounds like a New Yorker. lol
@Octoberfurst
@Octoberfurst 10 месяцев назад
The guy who killed a mountain lion with his bare hands was a badass! The story of the man who rescued the girl's mom from certain death was touching. But I laughed at the last story because the guy was an idiot. Having to call search and rescue not once but TWICE in two days just made me roll my eyes. I can imagine the conversation. Dude: "Hey man, it's uh me again. I need rescued." Sheriff: "OMG, again?" Dude: "Yeah, I tried to summit the same mountain and I need help." Sheriff. >takes deep breath< "Ok, FINE! But stay off that damn mountain from now on!" Dude: "Okey-dokey Sheriff." Goes up mountain again the next day. 🙄
@cailin5309
@cailin5309 9 месяцев назад
The guy who killed the mountain Lion .. he killed a baby.. less than 6m old.. it’s not really that badass. It was inexperienced and clearly not fully developed. It rings different when you go around stating “I killed a baby mountain lion” than “I killed a mountain Lion”
@jonyemm
@jonyemm 9 месяцев назад
​@@cailin5309thank you. I keep seeing people call it badass. A 35 pound 6 month old mountain lion is little. At 6 months most mountain lions are only a few weeks or maybe just off it's Mom's milk.
@samanthawright8830
@samanthawright8830 5 месяцев назад
@@jonyemmWould you want to wrestle a starving six month old mountain lion with your bare hands? One that had the jump on you (ie came up on you from behind)? I wouldn’t. They have sharp claws and teeth and could easily bite your neck and you would bleed out and die. He had to kill it with his bare hands. People sit beaming in pictures beside animals they killed with a gun from yards away from the safety of a vehicle or blind and act like it’s an impressive feat. This dude actually killed the animal with his bare hands in a life or death situation, so I’d say he earned badass status.
@jonyemm
@jonyemm 5 месяцев назад
@@samanthawright8830 thats a pretty stupid question. Any reasonable person wouldn't want there to even be a starving mountain lion, period. Less would want there to be a starving 6 month old mountain lion, and even less would want to fight one. (I consider my self to be one of those reasonable people) So to answer your question: No, i wouldn't want to fight a starving 6 month old mountain lion. Would i though? Yeah, depending on the circumstances i would. Do you realize how small a 35 pound mountain lion is? So it has claws and teeth? So does a house cat. Doesn't mean I'm going to immediately put a hole in it about the size of a 45 if it was coming after me. *Edit: Missed the 2nd part* So he killed it with his bare hands? Should we be giving a title of badassery to people who kill other animals, commonly weighing well in excess of 175lbs, with their bare hands? You miss the whole point of why people take photos of animals they harvest during hunting. It isn't because they can shoot an animal from yards away. It's because they are some if the minority who still maintain at least some ability to provide food for their family with the least reliance on others. What you say already tells me how little you know about hunting. You realize how many times in a day we face life or death situations? How close to death we come on an average day? And how little control we actually have over many of those situations? So yeah, i don't find killing an alone 6 month old 35 pound starving mountain lion to be badass. It's something i would avoid doing in most circumstances and wouldn't be proud of. It would be a unique experience and i don't shame/fault the guy for recording and sharing it, though. At the same time if i felt like it was a matter of taking its life or letting it kill or maul another person i wouldn't hesitate to kill it, by whatever means.
@samanthawright8830
@samanthawright8830 5 месяцев назад
@@jonyemm But your initial response said “it’s not really that bad ass” because it was “JUST” a baby mountain lion, as if killing a baby mountain lion is easy and anyone could do it. I’m curious where your dividing line of bad ass is, if killing a starving wild animal with your bare hands doesn’t make the cut.
@jonathanlongworth4463
@jonathanlongworth4463 10 месяцев назад
Glad he was there to give that girl a hand
@yemrot1
@yemrot1 10 месяцев назад
How has Kyle not liked this comment?
@arid06
@arid06 10 месяцев назад
as soon as you said alaska i knew it was something crazy, as a resident the stories i hear never cease to amaze me
@noyopacific
@noyopacific 10 месяцев назад
Regarding the hiker found on a webcam on Dumpling Mountain in Katmai National Park. The actual circumstances do not appear to have been quite as extreme as the news stories (and Kyle) have described. While it is true that the park is remote and not accessible by road there is a significant part of the story the news reports left out. Dumpling Mountain is about 5 miles, almost all of the way by trail, from the park visitor center and a lodge. The trail goes at least most of the way to the webcam location at 58°34'53.0"N 155°51'33.3"W is which is near the top of the mountain. Yes the guy got lost on a day hike from the lodge on a damp and cloudy day. It was interesting that he walked up to a live webcam. I'm glad that he made it back okay. It must have been a slow news day for the media to inflate this into a story into something bigger than it was.
@donnajess
@donnajess 10 месяцев назад
The Humphreys Peak guy should have his hiker card taken from him. I hope he got a huge bill for the helicopter rescue. $59K + additional charges for the rescue team for putting them in harm's way. What a tool! Loved this video, Kyle. More stories like these, please!
@rolfdenver
@rolfdenver 10 месяцев назад
This is why I live-stream all my hikes, carry a full jar of salsa, and eat Panda Express religiously.
@trailname_ziplock
@trailname_ziplock 10 месяцев назад
I usually run out of chips before I run out of salsa 🤷🏻‍♀️🤣
@Loni9
@Loni9 10 месяцев назад
Kyle, I really enjoy your hiking stories ❤😂. Amazing, keep it coming
@saralechak5834
@saralechak5834 10 месяцев назад
Thank you for your hiking horrors, and amazing rescues love your show. 😊
@ashmaybe9634
@ashmaybe9634 9 месяцев назад
Your hard work is paying off Kyle. One of my fave channels atm :)
@daveburklund2295
@daveburklund2295 10 месяцев назад
Dude using S&R like Mountain Uber
@dfw_sleepypillz1007
@dfw_sleepypillz1007 8 месяцев назад
Been with ya for a good minute man. I remember when 100k was a lofty goal. I am just waiting to see you go viral and pop off - surely... if anyone can do it, you can. Rock on man.
@ronharvey8442
@ronharvey8442 10 месяцев назад
Mountain lions are extremely stealthy and have no issue pulling the trigger and attacking a human. I have hunted for over 40 years and have been stalked by 4 mountain lions and all of them came within 30 feet, two inside of 10 feet. I was armed, moving slowly, 360 awareness, while cow calling. Three of the four were coming from above me in the trees. Very few cat hunters around anymore. Populations are growing and they have little fear of people.
@sylvanruud451
@sylvanruud451 10 месяцев назад
A total of 126 attacks, 27 of which were fatal, have been documented in North America in the past 100 years. Fatal cougar attacks are extremely rare and occur much less frequently than fatal snake bites, fatal lightning strikes, or fatal bee stings. We aren't what mama taught them to hunt. Here's a video of a suburban lion hiding as a jogger runs by: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BlYg2TzDDSk.html&si=wxosCjlSIrRwfnEc
@andreameigs1261
@andreameigs1261 10 месяцев назад
Human is the unique predator because they don't take the sick, weak, injured, but they go after the largest, most reproductive individuals. I have nothing against most hunters, but it's something I learned in school that I never considered before, and thought you might find it interesting. Anyway, I'd like to respectfully challenge a few things you said. If they have no issue pulling the trigger on attacking a human, and they have come close enough to attack you four times, and you have never been attacked, then I would say that they absolutely do hesitate on pulling the trigger. You were pretending to be prey on purpose. They are going to come investigate. Once THEY know that YOU know they are there and they see that you don't act like prey, if they aren't absolutely starving, they are going to hesitate on pulling the trigger because they are pretty sure you're another predator and they could get hurt if they attack you. And as far as not having a fear of humans..it's not as sinister as you make it sound. It's not likely a species that doesn't experience predation is going to be afraid of humans until they have enough negative experience with that species to make them afraid. For example, there are big flightless parrots that have no fear of humans, and it's not because they are some super killing machine. It is that they haven't been exterminated by the super killing machine that likes to project it's killing machine-ness onto other species.
@hallievanoutryve3109
@hallievanoutryve3109 10 месяцев назад
Great video idea! Similar to the structure of some popular Mr. Ballen videos. While you guys are in different niches, there is a decent amount of overlap in content He has a huge, dedicated fan base, and I bet many have devoured his back catalogue, Eric (2 week survival) likely ate the 1st half of the salsa with his chip before he got lost.
@ronharvey8442
@ronharvey8442 10 месяцев назад
There are ketchup on everything people, hot sauce on everything people, and let's not forget the salsa on everything people. No food, no problem. Salsa goes with everything. Roots, grass, roadkill....never be caught without your travel sized salsa jar. Insert Sam Elliots voice .. ...Salsa, it's whats for dinner ".
@SheilaDuzan
@SheilaDuzan 10 месяцев назад
Don't forget the ranch people 😂
@awayinthewilderness4319
@awayinthewilderness4319 10 месяцев назад
Really enjoy your story telling, man.
@rebecculousrk
@rebecculousrk 9 месяцев назад
Hey congratulations, it’s amazing watching your channel grow.🎉
@bettina4374
@bettina4374 4 месяца назад
The story with the mountain lion is insane. Totally badass. My respect!
@christyann
@christyann 9 месяцев назад
Man, that Mountain Lion story hits hard right now for me because I just witnessed a mountain lion come up over the bank and grab one of our barn cats 3 days ago. It was so horrific I screamed so loud I couldnt even hear that poor cat scream and I was only about 10-15 feet away. Ours is definitely more than 40 pounds and he is still out here and was the 2nd time I saw him.🥺
@rt66vintage16
@rt66vintage16 8 месяцев назад
I saw a coyote grab my puppy. Well, first I heard the scream, the yote turned around to look at me with the little dog in its mouth and trotted off.
@christyann
@christyann 8 месяцев назад
@@rt66vintage16 It actually killed a bunch of our cats but that was the only one I witnessed. I'm so sorry about your puppy 😞
@SunRabbit
@SunRabbit 6 месяцев назад
There were a couple of Bonanza episodes where they would hunt down mountain lions that were killing cattle.
@OTERO81
@OTERO81 10 месяцев назад
Lmao I thought you were gonna say, "They went to Panda Express before the hike, thus making her alot heavier" 😅😂
@seanbowen9891
@seanbowen9891 5 месяцев назад
One if not..your best Kyle...fortune cookies..checking big cats and spicy survival...love it brother!❤
@ronaldrose7593
@ronaldrose7593 9 месяцев назад
Hello 👋 Kyle, thank you for sharing these true stories of hikers who experienced near tragic events while on the hiking trails. I would have been extremely embarrassed if I had to call search and rescue for help. I have served in the military. In addition I have, over the years, viewed hundreds of U-tube videos which provide vital information on survival in the outdoors. Also, I have some 50 years of hiking experience in the high Sierra Mountains. Stay safe out there. 😊
@jyishika
@jyishika 10 месяцев назад
It's funny watching some of your videos Kyle. The last video being just right around the corner of Fort Collins. This video talking about Travis Kauffman and I work at the same company as him. Love your videos, especially when they hit close to home.
@HeidiSue60
@HeidiSue60 8 месяцев назад
there are two rescues that just boggle my mind. One of them is this hiker in Alaska coming by a trail cam. The other one is the spelunkers who go as deep as they can into a cave and find a little girl at the end of one tunnel. Both are just pure providence.
@KitKatB83
@KitKatB83 9 месяцев назад
Shared you out to my Facebook feed. I love your channel! I'm a criminology/criminal justice student, and sometimes it's nice to sidestep into the genre adjacent zone. ❤
@GodiscomingBhappy
@GodiscomingBhappy 8 месяцев назад
the rescue guy just cracked me... he was in love with the helicopter pilot maybe🤣🤣
@Paul_James
@Paul_James 10 месяцев назад
I live in the area and suspect the lost "hiker" near Big Bear was one of our plentiful homeless people.
@robertbiel6096
@robertbiel6096 2 месяца назад
Your videos are really interesting. I think you'll eventually hit that goal of 1M subscribers!
@johnrobinson5156
@johnrobinson5156 10 месяцев назад
Reasons why I always carry 18" machete in woods
@gregmortonoutdoors
@gregmortonoutdoors 10 месяцев назад
Dude from Collins got drug in the local news and social media once it was revealed it was a kitten. Not surprising since he lived in Fort Collins.
@Thomas.3698
@Thomas.3698 10 месяцев назад
You do know that it's not a domesticated kitten, ..a 35 lb. cougar, kitten or no, would be almost impossible to fight off, even semi- domesticated barn cats can send you to the doctor easily.
@gregmortonoutdoors
@gregmortonoutdoors 10 месяцев назад
If you would have seen the initial reports in the news you would have thought it was a full grown cat. Also, from first hand experience with wild cats around 30 lbs, yes you can fight them off without major injuries.
@melodioushaste
@melodioushaste 5 месяцев назад
The one armed hiker story blows me away.
@phaedrapage4217
@phaedrapage4217 8 месяцев назад
I love the concept of being outdoors but not the reality of it. I don't like weather that's too hot or too cold and I have really bad diabetic neuropathy that makes it very hard for me to walk and advanced osteoarthritis in my spine and knees. But I love living vicariously through you Kyle!
@whims6278
@whims6278 10 месяцев назад
Oh i enjoyed this one! I like that youre shaking things up and trying new things
@jillica402
@jillica402 10 месяцев назад
Thank you for sharing these stories!
@Tser
@Tser 10 месяцев назад
Yep, that's how you say Multnomah. A lot of people fall off those trails there (and dogs as well... keep your dogs leashed). They are surprisingly treacherous for one of the most popular family trails so near in to Portland.
@kaidenhall9818
@kaidenhall9818 10 месяцев назад
I wanna go hiking but have no friends that will go with me… also live in okc
@JadeAkelaONeal
@JadeAkelaONeal 10 месяцев назад
I love in Oklahoma too (Yukon)! Hi!
@KGLWlover
@KGLWlover 10 месяцев назад
I go by myself....I too have zero friends into nature sadly
@TheDenofBadgers
@TheDenofBadgers 10 месяцев назад
Find a large rescue dog or two and just take it easy
@AcuJamey
@AcuJamey 10 месяцев назад
Been a solo backpacker for years. Really quite safe with the right gear and plan.
@kaidenhall9818
@kaidenhall9818 10 месяцев назад
@@JadeAkelaONeal I’m in mustang:)
@psyduck2747
@psyduck2747 9 месяцев назад
Just found you on shorts love your content keep up the good work
@michelledrew4688
@michelledrew4688 5 месяцев назад
I had to be rescued off scarfel pike UK 9 years ago now. I was deeply embarrassed and humbled by the sheer amount of people out looking for me. After I had taken quite a bad but incredibly lucky fall. They told me that rescuing well equipped people like me. That did everything right. But just happened to be unlucky enough to have an accident. Made what they do worthwhile. They went on to tell me that they had a Chinese family that visited every summer. And every summer they were called out to rescue them. After a good few years of this. The one rescuer gave them a map of Snowdon 😂😂 telling them what a beautiful place it is 😂😂😂
@sethgsf4120
@sethgsf4120 9 месяцев назад
You should talk about the 2 women that got stuck in the snow in northern michigan and had to survive on girlscout cookies for 2 weeks. It's not exactly a hiking story but they were on they're way!
@lh3540
@lh3540 10 месяцев назад
Everyone around Boulder knows about the mountain lion (problem? perk?). I don't think anyone out here goes running (or taking out the trash) without being ready to fight a mountain lion. I found one in our local tennis court.
@lorettascott5477
@lorettascott5477 10 месяцев назад
I'm so sure it was probably his backyard first.....
@myragroenewegen5426
@myragroenewegen5426 7 месяцев назад
The stories of lost hikers always resonate with me because I got lost in wilderness on a class canoe trip once for, maybe, four hours. Realizing that you are lost puts you in a state of fear and helplessness that changes you. The man with the salsa must have been more level-headed than me to keep himself up so well. Functionally I'm less surprised at him surviving on salsa and more curious how he got by on limited water. Thirst, I hear, is of much greater concern, and being panicked and shouting only makes thirst worse. Of course problems of exposure are probably worse issues still, in a survival situation.
@rebeccahylant7695
@rebeccahylant7695 10 месяцев назад
Better and better, Kyle! Thanks!
@1BJM
@1BJM 5 месяцев назад
Kyle, I'm watching this 4 mo after you posted, and you are well over 300K!
@tjohnson4062
@tjohnson4062 9 месяцев назад
Im really surprised that refusing medical attention after that second call for help that he wasnt sent a bill for expenses. Being from NYC maybe he thought S&R was some kind of free Uber.
@JaredHikes
@JaredHikes 10 месяцев назад
That was great! 😂 Keep on trekkin'! 🖖
@jantefft2442
@jantefft2442 10 месяцев назад
Quite interesting videos and a bit scarey, glad that all ended well for the hikers.
@javierpreciadojr413
@javierpreciadojr413 9 месяцев назад
Oceanside is north of sandiego, so someone taking salsa on a hike is right on par.
@utej.k.bemsel4777
@utej.k.bemsel4777 10 месяцев назад
As a tourist in the early 90ies in Yosemite, i nearly shat myself because a rustling sound in the bushes.... ...it was a really pissed squirrel!😂
@alecbaker13
@alecbaker13 10 месяцев назад
Keep up the videos bro you’re one of my favorites
@Glulail
@Glulail Месяц назад
If I had to call a second time for rescue from the same place, I think out of sheer embarrassment I would choose to die instead.
@jeffreycarman2185
@jeffreycarman2185 9 месяцев назад
10:24 What is like to know is what brand of salsa has that kind of caloric value and doesn’t go bad in more than two weeks on the trail? I need that salsa!
@bostonsandatot4948
@bostonsandatot4948 9 месяцев назад
Bruh, that teddy bears picnic song very menacingly makes it clear how dangerous the woods are!
@iloveapples2428
@iloveapples2428 9 месяцев назад
Ayyy I’ve hiked Humphrey’s twice! A group and I would hike to the top to see the sunset by morning. We’d hit the trails by midnight, be at the top by 5-ish for the view. I was so surprised to hear this place mentioned!
@htucker7767
@htucker7767 9 месяцев назад
I'm glad the guy survived but I feel bad for the young cat.... poor kitty.
@MrJeffcoley1
@MrJeffcoley1 10 месяцев назад
There was a video where a man activated his emergency satellite beacon after he and his elderly father experienced a capsize while kayaking and were separated across rushing waters with the father on an island in the river. Mind you - they still had both kayaks. The video was framed as a life and death situation but I wondered why the son didn’t simply port his kayak back upstream and float down to his dad.
@elizabethmcglothlin5406
@elizabethmcglothlin5406 10 месяцев назад
Yeah, but a 30-40 lb dog can so serious damage!
@josweatt898
@josweatt898 10 месяцев назад
Like your T-shirt, my home state. Miss hiking the Long Trail and never any worries.
@OhHeckNono
@OhHeckNono 10 месяцев назад
I see my father-in-law being the man from the last story, he's that idiotic.
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