Technically it would be a seemingly endless string of 1s and 0s, but we like giving abstract figures human representations to relate to it better. It's why furries exist.
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If you notice all of his “umm”’s you then realize Levy is trying to let everyone know it’s beyond human comprehension. No mind can play this. Especially when there’s more possibilities on the board than stars in the sky. It’s actually pretty crazy.
@@svenpoletka5236 it isn't beyond his comprehension though. he obviously did some analysis and most of the time understands the rough ideas behind moves. sure, he wouldn't play those moves because a human != a computer, but that doesn't mean he can't break the moves down. what you're saying is the equivalent of a tennis coach not being able to tell a player what to do because the coach cant do what the player is doing.
A decent amount of the time you can understand the moves of people better that are better than you. The main difference is that they are finding them vs you just understanding in hindsight.
Chess is such a crazy game. I have the impression sometimes that I “get” what is going on. I mean I know the pieces and how they move. But I’m blind to most everything else in the game as a beginning player. Watching these engines play and watching GM’s play I can think “okay this is how the game works”. It helps me be less bored by my low resolution ideas. Do I attack horse or do I protect my own horse? Oh wait I just missed that my bishop is about to get trapped. Oh well
@@Teritus911 Well. We can't *fully* understand every nuance, but super GMs watching the analysis do get the gist of most of the things it does. It's just not something they'd ever play because the engine sees way better than them and can correctly analyze a position 25 moves deep as winning due to a deep positional understanding. It's like an 1800 analyzing GM games. It's not like the concepts are incomprehensible to them. It's just waaaaaay above their level and they wouldn't come up with a lot of the moves on their own, or might even see the moves but not find an advantage the better player would (i.e. missed tactics, positional binds etc.)
Kingscrusher introduced me to Leela, TCEC, and reinvigorated chess before the Queen's Gambit and pandemic even came around. Thank you for the higlight, much appreciated! For a suggestion: TCEC Season 14 Superfinal Game 63, a stunning 3 pawn positional sacrifice.
"Leila lets the pawns in!!" Levy's recap mantra: "If a move doesn't look possible but gets played, it must be good!" This episode proves that beyond a doubt - just some ridiculous play. Engines are so sick. Great episode! Thanks for the hard work!
@@pokmanl9810 It’s levy’s mantra not the OP’s. Plus I think it’s just a playful saying rather than some absolute truth. Levy likes to just have fun and joke around a lot because a major priority of his job is to be entertaining. If you want objectivity go read a math book u nerd
The craziest opening idea I saw was played by Leela Zero against Komodo(or maybe Stoofvless), where Leela (with white) played g3 and gave up the rook for nothing! Leela proceeded to win that game.
yeah that's the thing about those ai's. sometimes they do really ridiculous shit not even the engines would do. like moving the same piece over and over or putting the knight on an a or h square or just sacrificing stuff for nothing and then somehow 200 moves later they gain advantage from that. it's weird af.
I’d like to see you play engines with piece(es) odds…. I think it could be instructive to see what you think is going to happen vs. reality, plus it’d be funny
"So this actually happened in a tournament just the other day, Van Foreest played this" *five seconds later* "No human in hiiiistory will ever play this"
right he probably had this video recorded before that one tbh and was ready to upload this during a period of dead content so fill gaps. It's normal for youtubers to create content and then release it staggered with recent event content taking priority and generic stuff like this video as filler content.
Its crazy that it happened in a high level tournament just a bit after it was played by the engine, shows how quickly the top guys pick up on these computer ideas
My 300 elo ass has personally thought about a "Battle King"opening that gets the king active early and makes it somewhat threatening. The idea being that you get the utility of an active endgame king gobbling pieces early
5:24 "Add +7.0 positional advantage and -3.0 material advantage and you get +10.0 overall advantage" - Levy GothamChess Rozman 2022 P.S. This is a joke about the way that he said it, I'm not trying to be mean :)
But he is saying that as if it is from stockfish's perspective, and to stockfish Lucy and Benji are just a random woman and dog (respectively) ((yes I get that it's a joke))
I'm not a good chess player, by any means, but here's my two cents on Stockfish king moves: If the goal is to get king on b1, rook on c1, and queen on d1, doing it by moving the rook to c1 and then walking the king to b1 takes one less move than moving the queen and castling. Ignoring black's moves, it's "Rc1 Kd2 Kc2 Kb1" against "Qd2 O-O-O Kb1 Rc1 Qd1". Stockfish wants those specific pieces in those specific squares, and doing it without castling is faster. Edit: okay, I see Stockfish plays Qd2, but in this cases both sequences of moves are equally as long, so it just doesn't matter if it's done with castling or not. Why the rook needs to be on c1, though, is something only Stockfish can answer.
You are aware the engines are not smart? They just try every single possible moveorder and evaluate the outcome. They don't know why a move is good eighter.
@@Casa-de-hongos I’m not terribly sure and I’m not terribly knowledgeable on AI learning, but I think stockfish doesn’t test every possible outcome it instead uses alpha beta pruning. Especially in chess where there are so many variables, alpha beta pruning saves the AI time by not going through every single possible move and opponent response but instead testing only moves and outcomes that could be beneficial for it, though not too sure on how it determines beneficial outcomes
Idea for another video in this series: get the position at 4:25 with white against Stockfish, play the Queen move and castle, and let's see how black replies!
Yeah but then he would still have to play the rest of the game, And he’d lose, Unless you’d like to plug another engine in again as white but that wouldn’t be the same as the computers actually playing against eachother
Hey levi I just realised, stockfish saved 2or3 moves by playing Rc1 and then walking king to b1... by removing queen and long castling in traditional way and then playing Kb1 and Rc1 is 2moves slower.. engines are insane
The first four ideas were very specific ideas supported by tactics in the background. The last one was more positional. It brings a lot of doubt into black’s position if white can just absorb black’s queenside counterplay.
3:39 *"I'm out here trying to teach beginners not to make multiple piece moves in the opening, castle early and then stockfish here is like 'I'm the best thing that ever existed...' "* 😆😅🤣😂🤣😁😆😂😅😆😂😆😁😅😁😂
I knew long ago about Short-Timman, a great king walk, but just recently I looked at Spassky-Larsen which seemed very placid and then a king walk up the board and Spassky won. These things happen.
I fell off of chess for like almost a year and this is the first Gothamchess video I’m watching since mid-2021… I’m so glad Levy’s freak-outs at insane things done on chessboards are still as funny as ever 😂
15:48 "The queen is hanging, the rook is hanging, the knight is an idiot, and the bishop is trapped." Oh my god that was absolutely hilarious! White just doomed all of black's pieces and told the knight to know it's place, trash!
That second variation I actually play myself, was so cool to see you feature it! Very fun line, especially in classical because you have much more time to think on cool tactics for mate
The name Stoofvlees always cracks me up (beef stew). Btw stoof is pronounced like boat and vlees like hail. So Stoafvlais kind of phonetically... Good luck :)
To me it always reminds me of the time Craig Ferguson was told about the word around ten years ago and it became a running gag for a full episode. It's at the start of the "Some bits of Craig Ferguson cracking up!" compilation.
That king move adventure: I have never played or studied chess-but one thing that comes to mind is backgammon thinking: there’s is a timing to everything. In chess people are always talking about tempos, you don’t want to waste moves/time etc…but what if sometimes you *do* want to waste moves? Maybe just by overadvancing your pawns you can spoil your own position? So you need to have a slow positioning?
I often wonder if the real engine metagame is to avoid the other engine playing it into a draw, and consequently, give a little room to push it into aggression, so that the stronger engine can take advantage and get a victory instead of a draw. I'm no where near good enough to know at all... But if that is what's going on, this is getting into the territory where the engines are playing something more akin to poker with each other where bluffing is starting to matter a bit in a sense.
@@psymar Right, but I think because the computers operate on a higher level than GM's their tactical efforts to bluff others into aggression play as just tactical errors to the level of play the engines are at. In other words, they are doing the "same strategy" but at a different level which in a sense is a meta progression of what GM's have already done, but still different because of the level of play... Maybe... Maybe not, again I'm not qualified lol. I can't tell if this is a critique of what I proposed or not, and it could be a justified critique for all I know XD.
I actually wonder how different chess would be if computer prep wasn't as good as it is today. I sort of wish I could peek into a different universe to see how openings would look like if people got to refute new ideas by themselves.
@@AlexDingsYea, but he would've wanted to see how modern chess would've changed "naturally" by humans in the 21st century, if there weren't computers more powerful than humans.
I am a ICCF Grand Master, so to understand engines, you must do the following method You must analyse (What are the 4 best moves ?) Then you think what are the 4 best responses of the other side to each move ? Then you self analysis which position will give your oponent less activity, less playable options, then you understand the engine plays. If you use this technique, no kidding, you can find all engine strong moves of the opening and (simple) middlegames On game 1 those king moves were also complete logical, because any pawn break to try to explore the white king would result in material gain for white
That’s actually very true when we think about it. If there is no specific way of breaking through for black and as white you gotta consolidate a little bit more to get a nicer position, the king moves make more sense now. Cuz I imagine playing a slightly different way like castling or moving the queen w.e. would alternate the position too much and it could give black some attacking chances. Moving the king was perfectly reasonable because there was no direct way for both sides tbh.
I didn't like that the other Chess AI battles used established openings then saw who was strongest. I want to see a completely novel opening that supercomputers come up with that changes chess forever
If you don't feed it some opening moves they will play the same openings they deem best all the time and you wouldn't see these new ideas. I don't remember but I think engines tend to play berlin as the first variation
maybe part of the reason 3 king moves is good is because it forces black to move in a closed position where there may be no good offensive or defensive moves? idk
Stoofvlees is indeed dutch and means "beef stew". Engine could also be Belgian, that I dont know. If yall want to pronounce it like a dutch person say stoof, with an "o" as in low. And say vlees with an "a" as in Angel, aaaangel. Or dont I really like wrong pronounciations as well but in case you wanted to here ya go
Owned all of your courses for a while, please make a video on how to use the videos & the PGNs to study. I have gotten very little from $300+ worth of courses and it's not bc of a lack of trying. You say review these lines, what does that mean practically? Thank you.
well for game 5 i think the general "idea" is that a castled king side is a pretty strong defense so attacking on the queen side is better. just that it's hard when black already established an attack on the queen side and even harder when your own attack was focused on kingside/center.
Stoofvlees is a type of stewed beef that they serve on fries in belgium, it is incredibly delicious. (I would call it Flemish, although I don't know if its common in other areas as well.)
I mean its basically the same amount of moves to get to the same place with castling, maybe stockfish just felt zero pressure on that operation and picked the weird route at random
I've been watching most of your videos for quite some time, and for some reason this one was the most enjoyable ever. I'm glad you know the Dutch-speaking Belgians are Flemish. Stoofvlees is a word for a really delicous dish around here. It comes from stoof (=like a stove) and vlees (=meat). I'm sure it looks disgusting if you don't know it buts it's really good.
Sacrificing the rook and the queen for the draw is when the attacking army leader kills all your forces taking only minimal losses himself but he recognizes your bravery and decides to leave you alone.
I like watching such videos and understanding that even with knowing it, i wouldnt end up playing something like that cuz well, im nowhere close to be able to win that "winning" position
Regarding game 5, i remember going for a similar idea with Kh1 Bg1. But not with the idea of attacking on the queenside. More like h3, Bh2 so you have more power on e5.
@@JezreM i meant to type 200 years but my keyboard is kinda messed up cause i spilled juice on it so it added the extraa zero and i was just too lazy to go back and change it afterwards
I wonder if the idea of walking the king over IS BECAUSE it loses tempo and that’s actually advantageous in this position. I’ve seen some end game puzzles where you actually have to lose tempo to win, so it seems reasonable this could be true in some non-endgame situations
Hi Levy! Sorry to go off-topic but anyway...... I'd like to see more mates in top-level chess. I was thinking that one thing that I believe would encourage players to not resign but instead stay playing for a mate would be to increase the points awarded for a "mate loss" from 0 to maybe 1/2 (same as a draw) or even 2/3. Very keen to see your (and others) thoughts on this. I'm *sure* that this would result in more games going to mate!
Love the exposure you're giving engines and their incredible ideas that GMs are putting into practice these days! Totally get that it's niche audience content to some extent, but every now and then (as you do) it's appreciated. I don't see this from Antonio (except once or twice years ago) and Kingcrusher loved Leela content only because he hates Stockfish and thought she'd de-throne it, and when SF incorporated NN tech from some clever shogi programmers (ironically, not from Alpha Zero papers like Leela's modeled after) - that's when SF took off like a rocket ship in elo and crushed Leela. So glad to see the inspiration behind so many GM games gets the light of day from a big content creator - couldn't ask for a better one too!
Ever thought about doing a video on high-level hyperbullet games? Like the world championship or the best players? Would be crazy to see their moves analysed!
Correct levy, stoofvlees is Dutch and is a popular dish in Belgium (we don't speak Belgian, that would be like saying you speak New Yorkish). It's basically stewed meat, usually served with fries or mashed potatoes
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Stoofvlees actually is a dutch plate, nice catch! It's made from beef in a pot that's been slow boiled with sauce for a long time. It is usually served together with fries or mashed potatoes and tastes great imo. It is pronounced like "stoveflays"
Game 3, believe or not, but I played that way In order not to lose elo on my account I often play blitz anonymously on Lichess and yeah, I had the very same variation in the game probably a month ago - tbh, my opponent grabbed a rook very greedily, but then stepped into a lot of troubles - for black it is indeed pain in the neck to play