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5 Most Brilliant Battlefield Strategies in Science Fiction 

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Science fiction battle strategy at its finest.
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@mrmacguff1n
@mrmacguff1n 4 года назад
Like the majority of people, I never saw Battleship *But the sight of a full broadside is a thing of glory*
@tinatpasselepoivre
@tinatpasselepoivre 4 года назад
'murica
@peter.24.7
@peter.24.7 4 года назад
What @Johnny Dominguez says. It's Top Guns inbred younger cousin for the first half. And the first Transformers movie for the second. (not sure if that is a recommendation or not)
@drx1xym154
@drx1xym154 4 года назад
The sight of a full US, '40s vintage Battleship broadside? The sound is even better, IF YOU CAN STILL HEAR AFTER!!! AMMRIGHT???? So loud you can feel it.
@Flyguy4500
@Flyguy4500 4 года назад
Mr MacGuffin I saw it 3 times...
@philokrnotch387
@philokrnotch387 4 года назад
Broadside is possible. also possible to rip the whole forecastle and ancho windless right off the ship. Have you seen one? for a Disney it's good, like what The Black Hole was to them in the 70's. a new nifty idea. imo it worked for what it was.
@hang_kentang6709
@hang_kentang6709 4 года назад
"what could be more convincing than fed ex hurling packages at their destination as hard as possible." kudos to the person that came up with that line.
@STSWB5SG1FAN
@STSWB5SG1FAN 4 года назад
Only drawback is they should have used more boxes. Throw / eject four empty containers, then the two filled with your strike team. Unless the station had heat sensors so as to tell which containers weren't empty, this would have given more cover for the raiders to reach the station.
@rainick
@rainick 4 года назад
@@STSWB5SG1FAN You could just put heaters inside the empty ones, or whatever so they all look the same on thermal.
@slevinchannel7589
@slevinchannel7589 4 года назад
Those 'Jump out of the Water'-Spaceships were Ridiculously badly designed. The whole movie, actually, was just bad and full of Plot Holes if you count Idiotic Aliens as as Plot Hole. Which you should.
@Alpha4Sierra
@Alpha4Sierra 4 года назад
@@slevinchannel7589 I think you replied to the wrong comment mate, because your comment has no correlation to the previous comments.
@thomasb1889
@thomasb1889 3 года назад
@@STSWB5SG1FAN Actually they should have brought along empty pods as a distraction.
@shinku5463
@shinku5463 4 года назад
Ender : Wow the graphics looks so realistic!
@grigturcescu6190
@grigturcescu6190 4 года назад
Imagine the psihological scars you'd have finding out that your orders on computer games are actually real. Quality Sci Fi is so good at puting human drama on larger canvases.
@shinku5463
@shinku5463 4 года назад
@@grigturcescu6190 I popped a boner everytime lol. The reality is I avoid murdering virtual characters in video games. It's weird. I feel bad when I go out of my way to murder NPC's.
@grigturcescu6190
@grigturcescu6190 4 года назад
@@shinku5463 i feel you, me too. It's weird how people say video games promote violence and i'm like "Have you played a video game ever?" I even stop at red lights when I play GTA, i try to be as normal as i would be in real life. Video games give me the oportunity to be myself in another context, don't turn me in Hanibal Lecter.
@shinku5463
@shinku5463 4 года назад
@@grigturcescu6190 I also don't hit people in GTA! The thing is the more realistic games become the more realistic our interactions will be. Soon. Robot rights.
@allthenewsordeath5772
@allthenewsordeath5772 4 года назад
Grig Turcescu Exactly, that’s why in Grandtheft auto I drive on the sidewalk and run down as many pedestrians as possible.
@donovan3476
@donovan3476 4 года назад
The Battle of Thoth Station is absolutely my favorite Sci-Fi space battle ever depicted.
@jeffsuess377
@jeffsuess377 4 года назад
I think BSG 'The Hand of God' the attack on the Cylon Tylium mining asteroid had brilliant tactics. The multiple diversions, and the hiding of Vipers in cargo containers was bold, risky, and successful!
@VegetaLF7
@VegetaLF7 4 года назад
For BSG I'd say it's a tie between that and the Adama Maneuver seen later in Exodus Pt 2. As with the Tylium asteroid, the assault on New Caprica has diversions with the Raptors deploying drones that give a dradis silhouette of Galactica and Pegasus, luring the Cylon defenses away from the planet long enough for Galactica to approach unimpeded and FTL jump *into* the atmosphere directly over the colony for a rapid deployment of Vipers to provide the Colonial Resistance some air cover before jumping back into space to take on the Basestars in orbit.
@stevo43068
@stevo43068 4 года назад
@@VegetaLF7 Yeah, that one.
@fkerpants
@fkerpants 4 года назад
@@VegetaLF7 Both were quite clever. Each used the show's inner logic and deception on both the audience and the Cylons. Those were the types of episodes that made that show good.
@grindcorejoe6661
@grindcorejoe6661 4 года назад
I agree with that!
@jon-paulfilkins7820
@jon-paulfilkins7820 4 года назад
@@VegetaLF7 Yep, the "Dropping the bucket" maneuver certainly was televisual gold and just completely wrong footed the cylons.
@michaelpfister1283
@michaelpfister1283 4 года назад
Garek: "I'm just a simple tailor, trying to make a living in these troubled times." Audience: "Riiiiiiiight......" Garek will always be one of my favorite characters from DS9. His redemption arc is one of the best things about this show.
@artembentsionov
@artembentsionov 4 года назад
The book A Stitch in Time (fitting for a tailor) explores Garak’s past, from childhood to his exile. The man he thought was his father turned out to be his mother’s brother, who told Garak the truth about his paternity on his deathbed. Garak went to a prestigious school usually only meant for the kids of influential officers or officials (which, technically, he was, but no one knew it). The novel is framed against the backdrop of the ruins of Cardassia Prime as Garak works to rebuild it after the end of the Dominion War
@piotrd.4850
@piotrd.4850 3 года назад
He's one of best written, acted characters in whole franchise.
@bobjoebo8933
@bobjoebo8933 2 года назад
Which one was true? All of them? Even the lies? Especially the lies
@stevehuskey9037
@stevehuskey9037 3 года назад
I think using a wormhole as a weapon is pretty badass. Like Farscape. Crighton opened a worm hole in front of the enemy ship....that connected to a Star on the other end. I miss that show !
@tazmania52d
@tazmania52d 3 года назад
I know this is an old video, but I’m kind of surprised that Battle Star Galactica’s fight at New Caprica wasn’t on there. I mean, Adama jumping a battlestar into atmosphere to launch fighters, jumps out at the last second, they are outgunned 3 to 1, and they still manage to pull it off.
@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164
@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164 3 года назад
I like the Babylon5 space battle scenes.
@casbot71
@casbot71 4 года назад
Ah Thrawn, if only Space Whales had art he could've studied in advance, he'd still be alive…
@klidthelid8361
@klidthelid8361 4 года назад
If only Disney knew how to create art, the show wouldn’t have sucked
@MrCaptnrex
@MrCaptnrex 4 года назад
@@klidthelid8361 no you
@adventuresincrt1376
@adventuresincrt1376 4 года назад
Oh Disney killed him too? Please tell me more reasons why Disney Star Wars is trash.
@GldnClaw
@GldnClaw 4 года назад
@@adventuresincrt1376 Have you seen the upcoming 5 movies? Irredeemable.
@adventuresincrt1376
@adventuresincrt1376 4 года назад
@@GldnClaw No I have not. But I will be looking forward to RU-vidrs trashing them went it comes out. 😂
@Mc7wis7
@Mc7wis7 4 года назад
One of my favorites, just because the movie is so fun, is Galaxy Quest. "And what you fail to realize is my ship is dragging mines!"
@fakshen1973
@fakshen1973 4 года назад
I liked the raid on the concentration camp in Battlestar Galactica where they used the FTL drive in the atmosphere in order to release fighters as close to the camp as possible. It was a dangerous gamble but paid off.
@UGNAvalon
@UGNAvalon 4 года назад
What about the Siege of Atlantis from the Stargate TV series? Both sides had some decent tactics, much of which was made on-the-fly. Humans: Use an orbital defense satellite, Rig mines in space, Mount tons of AA guns on the towers, Field numerous marines on/inside the city, Use a cloaked transport to deliver a nuke, Use a transporter to deliver more nukes, Use a shield to both hold off a kamikaze wave & hide behind a self-destruct nuke, Use enemy telepathy to plant false information, Exploit enemy hyperdrive weaknesses to ambush them. Wraith: Use asteroids to blow up the mines, Use fighter-based transporters to deliver assault teams directly onto the city, Use those same transporters to remove defenders from their gun emplacements, Activating electronic countermeasures to deny enemy transporter capabilities, Orbital bombardment to deplete enemy shields, and Hacking an enemy battle cruiser to remove/subvert that asset.
@noireblack8865
@noireblack8865 4 года назад
Also on sg1, Sam blowing up a sun to destroy a fleet.
@legionofthedamned157
@legionofthedamned157 4 года назад
@@noireblack8865 Sam is best women in the SGC universe
@artembentsionov
@artembentsionov 4 года назад
I like when they blew up a Hive ship, the explosion of which opened a gate from Pegasus to a supergate in the Milky Way, the kawoosh of which destroyed an Ori mothership. That’s two for the price of one! It’s also the first and only time they managed to destroy an Ori mothership without Asgard plasma beams
@the11382
@the11382 3 года назад
Nobody mentions Dakara? Using an ancient superweapon and the stargate network to annihilate every replicator in the galaxy. And once the replicators are annihilated, take every Goa'uld Vessel, brilliant. Ba'al: You are surrounded. Jaffa: Bruh.
@brokeneyes6615
@brokeneyes6615 4 года назад
“ I don’t care where you’re from, a 16 inch naval gun is still a 16 inch naval gun. Merica.” Edited by popular demand!
@DetectiveLance
@DetectiveLance 4 года назад
Beat me to it. Fuck your advanced technology, a big ol' gun will fuck your day.
@user-Xx0xxxxx
@user-Xx0xxxxx 4 года назад
the only thing better then a 16 inch naval gun is two 16 inch naval guns, or a 18 inch naval gun
@pantufeve4702
@pantufeve4702 4 года назад
I heard, "Murica!" Love it!
@Somajsibere
@Somajsibere 4 года назад
@@user-Xx0xxxxx How about a 31.5 (Schwerer Gustav)
@user-Xx0xxxxx
@user-Xx0xxxxx 4 года назад
@@Somajsibere one problem, i notice a distinct lack of "MURICA in the Schwerer Gustav
@michaelsciortino6765
@michaelsciortino6765 3 года назад
One of my favorites is when the Serenity Baited an armada of Rever ships to help them break through a blockade with nothing but just chaos.
@Lurkily_Esh
@Lurkily_Esh 3 года назад
Ender's game -- the point of using children was, in part, about having someone empathetic enough, and unjaded enough to really understand an enemy. However, the empathetic kids, they, knew, would not be brutal enough to crush their enemy, hence presenting it as training simulations. One thing you forgot about the MD Device - the fighter starting the chain reaction was burning up, and Ender advises the pilot to focus the beams (They have to converge where the reaction starts) on the ATMOSPHERE instead of the planet itself - the atmosphere is mass, too, after all.
@KillerOrca
@KillerOrca 4 года назад
Preston Cole at the Battle of Psi Serpentus: LITERALLY TURNS A GAS GIANT INTO A SUN WITH NUKES
@robkemp598
@robkemp598 4 года назад
Yeah but no good visuals to use in that one
@stalwartteakettlepotato9879
@stalwartteakettlepotato9879 4 года назад
The Keyes loop would also be a good choice
@UNSCPILOT
@UNSCPILOT 4 года назад
"The life and possible death of Preston Cole" I did enjoy that short story, would love to see it animated
@TruePacifist201
@TruePacifist201 4 года назад
@@UNSCPILOT Or as a motion comic, which is what they did for "The Mona Lisa", "The Return" and "Headhunters". If they did it for those three, then why not the rest?
@lesliewilson2122
@lesliewilson2122 4 года назад
I can't let it pass. In Ender's Game, the malleability of children was used purposefully. The entire 'Academy' was the training ground. Building their skills wasn't the most important aspect. Removing them from socialization and civilization, putting them through scenarios and allowing them to develop mentally and socially as well as their tactics and strategies without outside influence was the entire point. They didn't teach the kids at all. They just barely organized them and maintained discipline then threw them into battle over and over again until they had one that developed that won and kept winning. Then they used it without allowing him to know that he was fighting real battles. Ender figured out at the end that he was directing real human ships, giving orders to real people in the end because he was smart. Humanity did this to win regardless of anything. They did this because military, military complex, political establishments, and civilians could not do what was needed to win. The mental headspace and timing, socialization, infrastructure, bureaucracy, and specifically the depth of institutional knowledge in many areas, professions, and civilizations wouldn't allow those things to be done. An example, a bug is killing all trees. To get rid of it we need to burn everything west of the Rockies to dirt before it spreads. It might not kill all of the bugs but it might. If the bug spreads, within 20 years all trees in the world will be dead even if we come up with a bug killer that works on the bugs. What are the chances we would set fire to the entire pacific coast from Baja to Alaska, San Francisco to Salt Lake? They took some kindergartners, separated them from all outside influence, and raised them to be pyromaniacs.
@tylerdakid8394
@tylerdakid8394 2 года назад
this is one of the best breakdowns ive ever heard of enders game. i want to talk to you more because thats my favorite book ever
@bobjoebo8933
@bobjoebo8933 2 года назад
My three year old who has already almost burned down the house: Yes
@DerKiesch
@DerKiesch 2 года назад
And yet the moral of the next book was: There was no big invasion force, the enemy had just realized to late that humans were intelligent and got wiped out for this. So the perceived threat was actually not there but misread by humans. And I kind of disagree that it was disorganized. They, at least to a degree, used the children as chess pieces. On example would be Marco, who was mostly used to "teach" Ender certain lessons. It was easily visible that he would not be THE commander they were looking for, but served a different purpose. The were manipulating group dynamics having certain candidates in just for the "terror" and such, to teach their students certain lessons they deemed important. Even the "unfair" organisation of battles 2v1 etc. mostly served to purpose of incresing Enders will to never give up even in the most dire situations and with unfair drills.
@KoonFox6560
@KoonFox6560 Год назад
i love enders game because this "black box" secret training is something i could see a government doing, based on my (limited) real military experiences. disinformation is a favorite tool of the powerful. top politicians dont often give a damn about ethics and morals when they think victory will justify them in the mobs eyes, and weve seen this in real history. look at nuking japan - ask for forgiveness rather than permission (of the people)
@santiagovisci2899
@santiagovisci2899 Год назад
I likes the movie but its tru that It doesnt make Justice to the book
@ianharrison5758
@ianharrison5758 2 года назад
I’m a fan of the imperiums tactic, the time tested “if 10 million guardsman can’t do it, here’s 15 million more. If that doesn’t work, send in the astartes. If that doesn’t work, send in a couple Titans. If that doesn’t work, exterminatus”
@romeoalpha68
@romeoalpha68 4 года назад
Picard Maneuver ! Make it so !
@powerhouse6165
@powerhouse6165 4 года назад
Never forget 'The Keyes Loop'
@GabrielBoeri
@GabrielBoeri 4 года назад
the scene itself could be so unrealistic but the Missouri firing it's guns it's such a beautiful image
@Eris123451
@Eris123451 2 года назад
Needed far too many Magguffins for it work, not really tactics at all. I don't get why it's even included here to be honest ?
@5c077andstuff
@5c077andstuff 3 года назад
Surprised the battle at the end of Serenity wasn't on this list. Poking at the Revers and guiding them towards the Allience fleet.
@StrikaAmaru
@StrikaAmaru 3 года назад
I have a special place in my heart for the "Legend of Galactic Heroes" movie; 1 gas giant + tricking your enemy to hunt you inside the hydrogen-rich atmosphere + nuclear weapons fired by both sides = localized runaway fusion reaction = extremely dead enemy fleet.
@TriMarkC
@TriMarkC 4 года назад
This was one of my favorite episodes you’ve ever done! I’m a US Marine, so that might explain some of it. But, you also had guests speaking on some of their favorites, too. Well done!
@evilpigeonsify
@evilpigeonsify 4 года назад
"Throw a hundred thousand guardsmen at that target, if that fails, throw a million, repeat until success" -Warhammer 40k
@_Muzolf
@_Muzolf 3 года назад
That is a gross mischaraterisation of the Imperial Guard, any lord general who actually does that, would get a bolter round to the face from a commissar for incompetence, or find themselves with a callidus assasins blade in their back if they were someone with connections or powerful family. "Life is the emperor currency, spend it well" - while massive grievous casualties do happen, they usually happen for a good reason. The astra militarum does way more, then just throw meat into the grinder.
@StupidPieceOfFish
@StupidPieceOfFish 4 года назад
I love how I got a US navy add after the Battleship segment
@IGI_Media
@IGI_Media 3 года назад
One that I cherish is in Star Trek when Ryker's ship shows up to the battle but from a different plane than that of the enemies already engaged in the battle. My pet peeve on space battles is that they are typically shown as "Us vs Them" lined up Face-2-Face against each other like the British used to adopt as their strategy in the 1800's. If ships are being brought in from various quadrants of the galaxy, they would be approaching from different points of origin and from differing vectors. [Enter conversation about mustering forces here] :)
@Valmarn
@Valmarn 4 года назад
For the Firefly movie, Serenity; drawing in the reavers to fight as a distraction was excellent (if not reckless) tactics for a lopsided situation.
@chouser25
@chouser25 4 года назад
Reckless is a massive understatement.If they had been wrong about the Operative already having a fleet in position (which they had no way to verify) they would have led an army of Reavers to Mr. Universe's doorstep with no way to escape them
@chouser25
@chouser25 4 года назад
Though to be fair, borderline-insane tactics was pretty much the only way they were going to outmaneuver the Operative
@chouser25
@chouser25 4 года назад
Though to be fair, borderline-insane tactics was pretty much the only way they were going to outmaneuver the Operative
@vee-0377
@vee-0377 4 года назад
Hot drop o'clock
@angulion
@angulion 3 года назад
@@chouser25 Though to be fair, borderline-insane tactics was pretty much the only way they usually operated.. :D
@casbot71
@casbot71 4 года назад
The perfect strategy would be to get a copy of the shooting script, so you have total Intelligence and situational awareness. And a very dirty tactic is to rewrite sections of the script and put it back on the desk.
@subbywan1422
@subbywan1422 4 года назад
Aka Jim Kirk's Kobayashi Maru test...
@amandusan4821
@amandusan4821 4 года назад
the Spaceballs had it, but they too incompetent to use it twice.
@DocWolph
@DocWolph 4 года назад
Yeah, Batman does that A LOT.
@vorlonempire6954
@vorlonempire6954 4 года назад
Revenge is a dish best served cold ... it is very cold in space
@v3rlon
@v3rlon 4 года назад
Or watch the video. Dark Helmet: master of the Schwartz and home video, AND so damned evil he didn’t even rewind the tape.
@nickh5081
@nickh5081 4 года назад
The Emperor's plan to destroy the rebels once and for all by luring them into that trap in ROTJ was pure genius. THAT was a great strategy. It didn't rely on luck or bold maneuvers or perfect timing. The fact that the plan ultimately failed was the crazy part! Actually, the rebels had a good strategy too, to send a small force to destroy the shield generator and then launch a surprise attack on the death star before it was completed - but they had bad intelligence and the Emperor out smarted them at every turn. The only reason the rebels even won is because some filthy Ewoks got involved (makes the ROTJ plot line sound really stupid when you lay it out this way!).
@Flippin_Tables_Like_Jesus
@Flippin_Tables_Like_Jesus 3 года назад
No Keyes Loop? A single ship outnumbered and outgunned by just one of the three ships it's facing, and the single ship comes out the victor? That's some amazing strategy right there. Hell, the entire battle of Sigma Octanus IV was pretty brilliant. From the Keyes Loop to the Cradle Shield to obtaining a tactical victory against a superior, more advanced enemy.
@jyidorne8042
@jyidorne8042 3 года назад
Like 1 out of these 5 was an ACTUAL strategy, rest were just lucky plot devices or overpowered special weapons. No mention of all the truly well thought out battles in multiple Star Trek -series, no mention of Babylon 5, no mention of Battlestar Galactica and no mention of Legend of Galactic Heroes.
@kostakatsoulis2922
@kostakatsoulis2922 4 года назад
Ok honestly, I watched battleship and frickin loved it
@InMaTeofDeath
@InMaTeofDeath 3 года назад
Though a much smaller strategy in scale I love the way Naomi figured out how to deal with the battle in Babylon's Ashes, party because I managed to figure out how she was going to use the information before she did. :)
@TheJosep70
@TheJosep70 4 года назад
I read it years ago but I remember a space battle in The Reality Dysfunction as one of the most gripping I've ever seen or read.
@smoadia85
@smoadia85 4 года назад
For expanse, my personal favourite tactics was the rescue of avarasala scene and the creative use of torpedoes. That blew my mind when I first saw it.
@mjptrapster
@mjptrapster 4 года назад
No love for the Adama manoeuvre? FTL effectively a 5-mile long rust bucket 100,000km's from the surface, launch fighters and FTL jump just before it hits the ground?
@joesedivy
@joesedivy 3 года назад
What was left out on the DS9 attack.... when the Klingons arrive, they come in attacking from above.... they actually used 3D space to their advantage, a rarity in Star Trek
@eddiecharles6457
@eddiecharles6457 3 года назад
The "Adama Maneuver" in Battlestar Galactica.
@dankalisz3235
@dankalisz3235 4 года назад
During the French Indian wars when the Fledgling American Navy was fighting on the Great lakes; During the Battle of Lake Huron, The Americans used a Sailing Ship at full Sail but at anchor to tack back and forth to bring broadside shots at the French Fleet. 1 American Ship destroyed the entire French fleet. They Fired the Port side then tacked and fired the starboard side then tacked again. During the Tack the side that fired reloaded and gave them another broadside of a full load each time.Whereas a few shots fired a ship can survive but not broad side after broadside...
@Vaultboy-ke2jj
@Vaultboy-ke2jj 4 года назад
Cobambam bambam there was no American navy during the French and Indian war, it was the Royal Navy. You’re thinking of the war of 1812 between Britain and The USA
@Lewd-Tenant_Isan
@Lewd-Tenant_Isan 4 года назад
Really thought that the Keyes loop would be featured in this list. A single UNSC Destroyer against two Covenant frigates and a Destroyer, and not only surviving the encounter, but WINNING it.
@carthienesdevilsadvocatenr2806
@carthienesdevilsadvocatenr2806 4 года назад
You forgot the Carrier. Which survived the battle only by fleeing, admittedly, but still contributed to the lopsided forces.
@devinpallone1840
@devinpallone1840 4 года назад
Came to the comments to say exactly this. That one scene made me really appreciate Nylund as a writer.
@downrangecash2418
@downrangecash2418 3 года назад
Actually, not really. Keyes himself says that as a strategy it should not have worked and he would've given anybody who proposed it a C. It relied heavily on luck, and Keyes would have been SOL if the Covenant had simply plotted an intercept course. It's not that Keyes was a bad tactician or anything, it's just that the Covenant were too incompetent to attempt a basic evasive manuever, or send their frigates on an intercept course.
@frogthetoad6773
@frogthetoad6773 3 года назад
@@downrangecash2418 Doesn't seem out of character for the Covenant. The elites we're probably too busy have to quell tantrums and petty squabbles aboard their ships.
@ergonamix9977
@ergonamix9977 3 года назад
@@frogthetoad6773 Nah, it probably went something like this: Elite 1: "Commander! The human vessel is closing on our position." Elite 2: "So, they desire a warriors death. Very well, we shall give it to them."
@cpasr8065
@cpasr8065 3 года назад
Operation return had one major flaw- both sides forgot that they could fly (warp) over or sideways to each other
@alexanderdickerson5836
@alexanderdickerson5836 4 года назад
I was gonna be pissed if Ender wasn't featured
@starblade8450
@starblade8450 4 года назад
I wish they covered the Raid on Balan from Space Battleship Yamato 2199. Or the battle of the Rainbow Cluster. Both are very cool from a tactical standpoint.
@KrK007
@KrK007 3 года назад
Shout out to the movie Serenity, where Mal and the crew of the Firefly lure an entire horde of Reaver Ships to battle the Alliance Fleet. That was pretty epic.
@GR3ND4L
@GR3ND4L 3 года назад
Honorable mention goes to The Keyes Loop from Halo: The Fall of Reach. 1 UNSC destroyer against a vastly superior Covenant destroyer with its 2 escorting frigates.
@AaronCMounts
@AaronCMounts 4 года назад
"Carrying out war games with the Japanese Kaiju Defense Force." --I see what you did there...well played.
@justsomeguy6240
@justsomeguy6240 3 года назад
The best quote from this video.
@tomb7088
@tomb7088 4 года назад
The Star Trek entry had nothing anyone could remotely call a strategy or a plan. It was throw everything we can at point A and trust to luck.
@MartinCHorowitz
@MartinCHorowitz 3 года назад
Favorite part of the Movie Battleship when the enemy threat detector kept switch from red to green because it couldn't make up it mind the the Missouri was a threat, until it fired its guns......
@tingley428
@tingley428 3 года назад
Fun facts about Battleship; The alien projectiles are meant to look like the pins on the board game, just as the tsunami tracker system was meant to resemble the board Taylor Kitsch (born 3hrs away from me btw) character was assigned to an Arleigh Burke class Destroyer which are all named after Congressional Medal of Honor recipients, including one named USS Micheal Murphy, after the man he portrayed in Lone Survivor, which like Battleship was also directed by Peter Berg
@josephjones9904
@josephjones9904 4 года назад
3 things stood out to me. 1. Probably one of the best videos on the channel. 2. I love the prerecorded footage of the Late British Ben. Although it was probably the longest segment of the video. 3. American Ben must have a hot date he hasn't looked this clean in a year. (I think this is justified by the fact he made a joke about his wrinkled shirt.)
@stratometal
@stratometal 4 года назад
Um... wait is British Ben dead or something?
@josephjones9904
@josephjones9904 4 года назад
@@stratometal thats what I was told
@dragonoidsix
@dragonoidsix 4 года назад
"A 16in navel gun is still a 16in navel gun. 'Murica" 10:15 Yeah. and they hurt like hell when they hit too! A full volley of SAPHE rounds out of a 16" navel gun would really ruin anyone's day. Human or Alien.
@spartan078ben
@spartan078ben 4 года назад
I love that line.
@dragonoidsix
@dragonoidsix 4 года назад
Benjamin Griggs So do I! It’s a small nod of the head at the power of the old days. Those guns are quite powerful and definitely hurt like hell. But they are silent for now. “Speak softly and carry a big stick!” Well. Those Battleship are a great imagine of that! Silent until they bring the pain
@halcionkoenig243
@halcionkoenig243 4 года назад
US Navy still has Cruisers with 14 inch guns.
@Zamolxes77
@Zamolxes77 4 года назад
On Earth yes. In space, not so much. I would argue any chemical propelled ballistic round is useless in space, too slow.
@spartan078ben
@spartan078ben 4 года назад
@@Zamolxes77 Yes. Unless you used magnetic coils to accelerate the round. Like in Halo.
@marcussinnott5311
@marcussinnott5311 3 года назад
Little disappointed we didn't see the Key's Loop from Halo, really superb battle where it was first used.
@jasonking3248
@jasonking3248 3 года назад
There's a fair amount of strategy and tricks going on in Peter F Hamilton's Salvation series of books. The attack on the Memento Mori in Gundam 00 was good too.
@randycheow4268
@randycheow4268 4 года назад
Don’t forget the Keyes Loop from Halo
@channingdeadnight
@channingdeadnight 4 года назад
No Ender wiggan spent the rest of his life trying to fix the mistake he made by genociding a species. That's mostly what the rest of the series is about.
@Eris123451
@Eris123451 2 года назад
It's actually not bad at all, bur the first one was by far and away the best if extremely horrifying.
@LSSTyranus
@LSSTyranus 3 года назад
Enders game...I read that book in middle school...was surprised as hell to learn years later that a freaking movie was made of it.
@Zeoinx69
@Zeoinx69 4 года назад
I still say Wedge Antillies in the Bacta War strategy to bluff a Super Star Destroyer into running away from a unarmed Space Station is one of the best strategies in Science Fiction. I think someone needs to make a video on the Bacta War nao!
@Talon1124
@Talon1124 4 года назад
The funny thing about Missouri's manoeuvre is it had a real-life precedent. The ship in question was a fraction of the mass and was a submarine tender, but it did 'anchor drift', once. And bent it's sea frame.
@MotoroidARFC
@MotoroidARFC 4 года назад
I'd figure the bow would be wrenched so bad it'd be ripped off or bent so bad Missouri would take on water.
@Talon1124
@Talon1124 4 года назад
@@MotoroidARFC In the Mighty Mo's case, the anchor chain would snap before the seaframe distorted too much. There's an order of magnitude difference between the Missouri and the Akitsushima.
@MotoroidARFC
@MotoroidARFC 4 года назад
@@Talon1124 the bow section is just thinner then the rest of the ship. Distortion of the bow could happen fractions of a second before the chain let go.
@Talon1124
@Talon1124 4 года назад
@@MotoroidARFC Eh, it's a moot point, because no one in reality would be crazy enough to stupid enough to put a ship through that.
@MotoroidARFC
@MotoroidARFC 4 года назад
@@Talon1124 yup
@captianmorgan7627
@captianmorgan7627 4 года назад
Nothing from the Honorverse?
@bhsx
@bhsx 3 года назад
Missing serenity. When Mal pulls about a hundred reavers ships into the space battle towards the end.
@Idiotatwork
@Idiotatwork 4 года назад
The battle of babylon 5 just after they declared independence should be on the list...delains strategy of threatening the superior force by reminding them of history of previous battles was brilliant bluster
@robertdavis8969
@robertdavis8969 4 года назад
I would have used a scene from Serenity for one of them. When Malcolm angers the Reaver fleet because he knows the Alliance is waiting for him. 1 cannon versus 2 fleets. That was genius. We're still flying.
@patrickkenyon2326
@patrickkenyon2326 4 года назад
Take me out into the black. Tell them I aint comin' back.
@stephenbeyer4315
@stephenbeyer4315 4 года назад
I was going to post the same if no one else had. Thanks for savin' me some time.
@antonrobins1759
@antonrobins1759 3 года назад
life a leaf on the wind
@l1a146
@l1a146 4 года назад
"A 16 inch naval gun is still a 16 inch naval gun.... Merica". Hilarious love it
@tsunami729
@tsunami729 3 года назад
“That’s Garak, Sisco’s tailor”. Garak: Plain and simple
@stratometal
@stratometal 3 года назад
Man I love the way you guys explain these battles! And its nice to see British Ben more often again. BTW guys, can you add some Babylon 5 and some Stargate content here and there. Some cool stuff in those shows!
@kkhan8715
@kkhan8715 4 года назад
Despite being a semi-ridiculous show, Dr Who has one of my favorite space battles with a unique strategy. At the fall of Gallifrey seeing the many Tardises work to save the planet and destroy the Dalek fleet was amazing. The edits the fans did only made it better.
@DaddyHensei
@DaddyHensei 4 года назад
My fav sci fi ship tactics was in a book series. The Lost Fleet by Jack Campbell. If there are any readers out there who enjoy mil sci fi, give it a read. The entire series is full of fleet combat and the author was a ship driver for the Navy. So he gives an interesting perspective of fleet warfare and how it would be applied to space combat.
@damnyourpasswords
@damnyourpasswords 3 года назад
it was Great! thanks for reminding me!
@lissavanhouten6628
@lissavanhouten6628 3 месяца назад
I love the Lost Fleet series and it's follow-ups. What's really interesting are the battle tactics used by Captain John "Black Jack" Geary and how he trains his--lost in deep space behind enemy lines--fleet in using them against enemy fleets. They show how space naval fleets would fight battles involving time delays. That is, what happens to tactics when opposing fleets could be light weeks, light hours, light minutes apart? There's lots of space maneuvers involved.
@andysimmons2648
@andysimmons2648 4 года назад
An excellent video with some very good examples. I’d have included the Adama manoeuvre from Battlestar Galactica but that’s probably just me.
@willadeefriesland5107
@willadeefriesland5107 3 года назад
I love the pseudo-slip with Amazon!
@leonielson7138
@leonielson7138 4 года назад
In defense of the United Earth of 'Ender's Game', it had been at least 1 generation since the 'Buggers' attacked, their technology was reverse engineered, and the fleet had been launched. They probably expected to find someone capable of commanding the fleet a decade or more earlier, meaning that person would have time to grow into the position, but with one candidate after another washing out (like Peter for his violence and Valentine for her compassion) by the time the fleet was in position to attack the only option was a teenager who wasn't emotionally ready to be told that his actions had real-world consequences.
@biggles1852
@biggles1852 4 года назад
my two favs: DS9 the final battle, where it's the Dominion bombing of a Cardassian city that causes the Cardassians to withdraw from the alliance and them the Dominion completely vulnerable. My other fav is in David Brin's Startide Rising where the Streaker goes into the hull of an alien ship in order to get past the blockade. Using the water of the ship to create a de facto wall behind them was just icing on the cake.
@katty4682
@katty4682 4 года назад
The DS9 one reminds me of why DS9 is not only my favorite Star Trek series, but one of my absolute favorite works of science fiction. That episode referenced is one of the rare occasions where I can say a deus ex machina solution is done well. It's not just a convenient happenstance like you see in say the new Star Wars movies, but something that was earned, based on an advantageous relationship that Sisco built over time, and was only able to convince the omnipotent beings as a result of his ethics, and ultimately at great personal cost to himself.
@legionnaire5966
@legionnaire5966 4 года назад
THANK YOU for giving Ender's game some love! I feel like this awesome IP gets overlooked way too often.
@jacobkleinsasser5658
@jacobkleinsasser5658 4 года назад
1 problem I had with Battleship. They REALLY underestimated the power of the guns on Mighty Mo. For one, in the war they didn't fire all the guns at once because the shockwave of one gun would knock any other round fired off course, making them highly inaccurate. They fired them one at a time. Also, those rounds didn't explode on contact. They penetrated then exploded. A single 16 in gun would have shredded the alien craft and when it exploded, lights out. No way that alien ship could stand up to even a single salvo.
@bobbyrayvictory6905
@bobbyrayvictory6905 4 года назад
But youre discounting the sex appeal of seeing all those beautiful guns bust a nut at the same time
@chilkootsailor492
@chilkootsailor492 4 года назад
@@bobbyrayvictory6905 lmao
@HalNordmann
@HalNordmann 4 года назад
Since you are firing the guns at few hundred meter's range, you don't really care about precision, you just care about firing as much ammo as quickly as possible. Since you don't know how much armor the enemy ship has, an overkill is better than nothing.
@jacobkleinsasser5658
@jacobkleinsasser5658 4 года назад
@@HalNordmann Incorrect. Firing as rapidly as possible was what lead to the British suffering HORRIBLE casualties at the Battle of Jutland, and as a result was not common practice later on. Also, you do care about precision because the amount of deviation caused by the shockwaves could and did knock rounds off course, and considering they fired their guns at miles away any slight deviation would mean you miss the target by a lot. Your arguments are all arguments made by naval strategist in and around ww1, and early ww2, but were completely dismissed after because they didn't measure up to reality. Jutland showed it was better to not fire as rapidly as possible. The Battle of Denmark Straight showed that accuracy was far more important than firing all guns at once.
@jackd8650
@jackd8650 4 года назад
Excuse me Science fiction strategy and you didn’t mention anything from Battlestar Galactica!?!? The Adams Maneuver is one of the best scenes in all of science fiction, the Cargo transport smuggling fighters to get close to the Cylon Tylium factory, flat he fracking final battle between Galactica and the Cylon Fleet???? Blasphemy, only thing this is
@TriMarkC
@TriMarkC 3 года назад
This was one of the best videos, especially for gamers.
@cybrphoenix8615
@cybrphoenix8615 3 года назад
mine is in the star gate Atlantis when the Asurans used a stargate against the Atlantis star ship with a Shielded weapon that was just a BIG LASER.
@USmerica
@USmerica 4 года назад
For some reason I'm always hopeful that Babylon 5 will get some love from this channel.
@andrewjones2453
@andrewjones2453 3 года назад
Pff...Prophet Magic and "Fire the biggest gun we can find" are way better tactically (strategically means something different) than the Bonehead Maneuver or the defeat of the Black Star, or retaking Mars, or, for actual strategic decisions, the deception and provocation campaign waged against the Vorlon and Shadows.
@kaneo1
@kaneo1 4 года назад
"Seems a little overkill." Do you want it gone, or to have a chance to fight back?
@spencerabdo5144
@spencerabdo5144 4 года назад
Another layer to Ender's victory was the mental game. The Buggers had learned that humans valued individual ships. In every battle before they reached the homeworld, Ender and his Jeesh fought to win while preserving the maximum number of troops. By this, the Buggers realized that humans would not sacrifice themselves to win battles. And then the last battle came, where the only course of action was to use the ships as a shield to defend their main weapon. In effect, the Buggers defeated themselves by learning the wrong lesson from their 3 wars with the Humans. Also, a nice little touch in the movie that wasn't mentioned in the book. Ender set his shielding ships to orbit the Little Doctor so that their wreckage would still shield the Little Doctor, even when destroyed. Honestly, Ender is likely one of the best military minds in fiction. He's somewhat like Thrawn, trying to learn everything about his enemy, to think like them, to come to know them so well that he couldn't help but love them. And then he destroyed his enemies utterly. To send him and Thrawn into battle against each other would be fascinating. Although I say Bean trumps them both, especially Shadow of the Giant Bean, lol.
@Todd66
@Todd66 4 года назад
I see this channel growing A LOT! Not only good content, but very well presented. Kudos!!!
@adnanalam8389
@adnanalam8389 4 года назад
Brah, did you just make Battleship sound cool? 😂
@sabertx3273
@sabertx3273 4 года назад
They didn't just fire five cruise missiles, but torpedoes, the deck gun, the phalanx, and the M2 Browning machine guns for some reason. In short: they fired everything.
@stratometal
@stratometal 4 года назад
What about the kitchen sink?
@politicallyunreliable4985
@politicallyunreliable4985 4 года назад
@@stratometal That was being held in the Middle East awaiting deployment on an A-10.
@jeffsuess377
@jeffsuess377 4 года назад
To quote Nero "Fire everything!!!"
@KillerOrca
@KillerOrca 4 года назад
Full alpha strike
@Battleship009
@Battleship009 4 года назад
@@politicallyunreliable4985 LOL
@proteus404
@proteus404 3 года назад
Adama sending drones to draw the Basestars away while Galactica to jumps into New Caprica's atmosphere to launch its fighters to support the lift off of all the civilians ships.
@BrianHeplerSasquatch
@BrianHeplerSasquatch 4 года назад
I think an honorable mention should go to Babylon 5, Season 4, Episode 20, "Endgame". The re-taking of Earth. A scout ship draws defenders into the gravity well of Mars, invaders jump in behind them, infiltrators disable the defensive fleet, furball ensues. The planetary defensive system gets turned back towards the planet in a final act of defiance and the reserve fleet is called in to prevent the massacre.
@71frog
@71frog 4 года назад
"I don't care what part of the galaxy you are from... a 16' Naval gun is still a 16' Naval gun.... 'Merica." I giggled after that one, well played sir.
@zeroibis
@zeroibis 4 года назад
Yea even Space Battleship Yamato says a 46cm gun is a 46cm gun
@battlespectermedia
@battlespectermedia 3 года назад
"I don't care what part of the galaxy you're from, a sixteen inch naval gun is still a sixteen inch naval gun... Murica." :) Love it.
@Vrynn10
@Vrynn10 3 года назад
This is a fun list, and DS9 is one of my all-time favorites, but the battler referenced here was not a victory of strategy, but a gamble that paid off. Not sure it belongs here; there are other sci-fi battles that fit better. That said, thanks for the video, I enjoyed it!
@RichtorLazlo
@RichtorLazlo 4 года назад
Your missing captain Sheridan at zahadoom , that was one of the very best for actually showing strategy.
@ivanfreely6366
@ivanfreely6366 4 года назад
Surprised the Shadows were that ignorant in not securing his White Star ship. IMO, his battle against the Minbari Black Star was a better one to mention.
@RichtorLazlo
@RichtorLazlo 4 года назад
Either way Sheridan should be on this list, what was they called him “star killer” that writing I think best showed strategy, I feel that is hard to portray in almost all .
@BreandanOCiarrai
@BreandanOCiarrai 4 года назад
@@ivanfreely6366- the Shadows couldn't come in contact with Vorlon technology- sort of a matter/antimatter concept in metaphor- which the White Star was partly based on (note how Anna recoiled from some Vorlon tech onboard, and she was just a human under Shadow influence), and the Drakh seemed unfamiliar with the interior of the ship later on, likely not being allowed near it (because what slavemaster wants to let his slaves get near a weapon that could potentially hurt them?). The Shadows also didn't recognize the danger because the warheads were inert until the command was sent to activate them. They were Gaim nukes designed specifically to avoid Shadow scanners, appearing as nothing more than ship components until activated.
@ivanfreely6366
@ivanfreely6366 4 года назад
@@BreandanOCiarrai Thanks for reminding me about the incompatibility between Shadow/Vorlon tech. Was the Gaim nukes mentioned in the TV series or in the books?
@stalwartteakettlepotato9879
@stalwartteakettlepotato9879 4 года назад
Admiral Cole's last stand should have been on this list. I know it's a less known part of halo lore but the tactics are really good combining both halo lore and real world physics. The Keys loop would also be a good choice.
@philokrnotch387
@philokrnotch387 4 года назад
great list see all of these and, must admit read all the Ender and Shadow series. He got one simple message from Bean "The enemy gate is down."
@mr.rublack7102
@mr.rublack7102 4 года назад
Dude you need to make shirts with the 16in naval gun quote. Because so fuckin mint my dude.
@opey2dope
@opey2dope 3 года назад
For ender's game: there's a major change in the film from the original novel, that ultimately weakens the narrative considerably. In the film, Ender's training involves him being pushed, in order to make him as skillful as possible and imbue in him a focus on victory. Some discussion is made about how it is harsh, but ultimately, the position is made that the ends justify the means. Ender uses the "little doctor" device on the alien planet during the final battle, because he is driven to win. He wants to win at all costs, and sees the use of the weapon as his only path to victory. He is shocked to find that this was a real battle, and is saddened by the killing and destruction. In the novel, by contrast, Ender's training is much harsher and is deliberately abusive. Ender suffers greatly, both physically an psychologically. The adults who run his training know they are hurting him, but don't care; They want to create a tyrant. Ender, who is staggeringly brilliant, realizes he is trapped and is being abused, but sees no way out. Eventually, he decides that he will use the most destructive tactics possible, reasoning that by appearing to be a genocidal monster, the adults will see him as a threat, wash him out of the program, and find someone else. He chooses to use the "little doctor" on the alien planet itself, knowing that the "simulated" planet's population will be wiped out, along with the alien fleet and his own fleet. Ender knows that this tactic will kill simulated millions. When, in the novel, Ender is told that this was not a simulation at all, he is not just saddened, he is psychologically shattered. He realizes he has not pretended to kill millions, he has, in fact, committed genocide. A couple of final revelations are in the novel that wrap it all up. First, the "buggers" are revealed to not be a universally sentient race. Most of the aliens are mindless drones, with no consciousness of their own. If these are destroyed in droves, there is no worry at all, similar to how you aren't concerned when you cut your hair. Only their queens have individual minds of their own. Second, during the end of the first war between the humans and buggers, the queen present touched the mind of Mazer Rackham, and discovered that ALL humans are sentient, and they realize the depths of their crime. Instead of cutting down a few fingernails, easily regrown, they have cut down sentient minds by the thousands. They actually retreat from the humans, hoping that the humans would realize the mistake and forgive them. When the humans initiate the second war, the buggers understand that the humans have NOT forgiven, and realize that they will almost certainly be wiped out. When Ender comes to realize this, he makes it his mission to tell all of humanity this, and so becomes history's greatest monster, rather than humanity's savior. Ender's Game the novel is deeply tragic; Ender himself is an abused, manipulated, and betrayed boy who is made a monster without his knowledge, and even his attempts to fight back become betrayals.
@PanosSpiliadis
@PanosSpiliadis 4 года назад
Where's the Adama Manoeuver? Shame!
@noneedtoknow07
@noneedtoknow07 4 года назад
That's a more of a "look at size of that man's balls" moment than a tactical brilliance moment.
@seand.g423
@seand.g423 4 года назад
Which one?
@MonkeyJedi99
@MonkeyJedi99 4 года назад
@@seand.g423 Jumping into the atmosphere over New Caprica under the enemy air cap, launching vipers, and jumping out again as the Galactica is freefalling to about ten stories from the ground.
@seand.g423
@seand.g423 4 года назад
@@MonkeyJedi99 oh, thank frak! So we're not talking about... well... y'know... _that_ one.
@Justicar333
@Justicar333 4 года назад
Ah, the battle of New Caprica. Adams plan was worthy of Thrawn that day.
@idcgaming518
@idcgaming518 4 года назад
4:30 actually, they didn't send the fighters into deepspace. If you watch EckartsLadder's video on this, you'll see how they stopped the droids from responding, by jamming them, causing them to tear the ships apart from the inside with explosions.
@mapsgoonthewall5396
@mapsgoonthewall5396 3 года назад
Agree with The Expanse and Ender's Game, but felt like BSG episode on freeing the people of New Caprica should have been here too.
@starhaven321
@starhaven321 4 года назад
That battleship scene in Battleship was worth the rest of the movie It was so nice to watch a Battleship Be a Battleship and fire those huge guns.
@LancetFencing
@LancetFencing 4 года назад
There is no “s” in Enders’ last name. Wiggin.
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