5 Reasons I HATE Elite Dangerous 

Check out the first video in the small series about why I love Elite Dangerous: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NH41oYoTbAQ.html

My biggest critique about how FDev handled Elite is that the whole game feels like FDev took a lot of time to actually make the game and create a ton of assets for it...... and then underutilize them. A lot of the complaints I have seen from the community at large wouldn't require FDev actually make anything new, just utilize existing assets more.

sometimes i feel like frontier just made elite by accident, like they don't realize they made a really good game, and have no clue what makes it a good game, so they randomly put the spotlight on parts that are not good like it's the best thing in the game, and randomly ignore parts that are already great and should be expanded upon.

Totally agree with you about the transition from ship to surface. I always chuckle about how "people don't want ship interiors because it would get boring after a while getting in and out" but apparently we really want to walk 60 seconds from our ship to the elevator doors?

What i hate hate hate the most is not only hardcore grinding nature, but also its binding to only to singleplayer style. Being unable to share ship upgrade materials is the main reason my friends cannot join any conflict zones with guaranteed survivability, he gradually burned out and stopped playing for not having power fantasy he wanted. Many people have to go out and works for living, taking care of their real life. Yet this brutal mechanic are designed to not respect their time and efforts.

FDEV are responsible for two brilliant phrases. "The Armstrong Moment" is I believe the most recent, but there's the timeless classic of "We don't want to force one playstyle upon the players". Or something along those lines. This was when mining the egg was the best way to earn credits. My Main gripes with Elite Dangerous can be summed up thusly. 1. The online requirement adds nothing to the game. BGS I know is a thing and that may be real, but I'm not in one system enough to notice the changes. As it is online it doesn't have the epic story missions that you could add to a single (or group play) player environment. If you do want to play with other people there is no real reason to do so. Sure PvP can be fun but only because the controls, graphics and audio is awesome. Other than that, there is no reason to fight, there is no economic reason, no resource control. The only reason for the online element is to prevent piracy. 2. Lack of polish/re-iterations of existing gameplay loops to intertwine the entire game in to one complete whole. Stuff has been added to the game that exists outside of everything else in the game. Add in the monstrosity that is engineering and the commodity collection by Exigeous from December 2019 is still valid today. Imagine if any other multiplayer game rested upon their laurels like that. Take EvE there has been ore rebalances and re-distribution a few times throughout the course of it's lifespan. Players are of course annoyed but they crack on, scan what they scan and use that to determine the worth of the system/region. Of course as stated above it's a single player game with optional group play included (poorly). So let's look at the game mechanics from a single player experience. Engineers provide a random amount of upgrade per run, with the exception of the experimental feature. Ironic huh, an experimental feature works 100% of the time. Also if you want to increase your Frame Shift Drive, you have to travel 300+ light years from the starting system in order to qualify. Yes let's make the player do the hard way the very thing they're trying to compensate for. Sweet. In order to upgrade your weapons you need to complete combat stuff and win 15 times. Again FDEV management has decided to force the player in to a game play area they know they need better equipment for but can't until they git gud without the said upgrades. FDEV should listen to the head slaps from their dev team when mandated decisions are passed out. 3. NPC Corporations - the minor ones that you find in one or a handful of nearby systems. There are thousands of them. As such it doesn't matter who you annoy or befriend because you're unlikely to be in the same system for too long anyway. A single system as far as I know doesn't provide a player with all aspects of the content people can play i.e G5 manufactured materials with a moon you can land on that can provide G4 Raw materials, along with combat mission and passenger missions. Which is a good thing, but it does limit the scope for number 4. 4. There is feeling of belonging. There is no story, telling you why you should support one super power over another or why that NPC corporation is more interesting than the others. There's no empathy. The written Galnet articles could be interesting but there is no single player story arc for a corporation at any scale. The mission board should be full of Tragedy and Epics on a personal level, but who cares to remember a thousand names and pretty awful character portraits? Saying that I took a mission to gather some ore at a particular location but they warned me there were pirates inbound to ensure I wouldn't complete the contract. I took my combat ship and took them out, docked up and got in to the mining ship and mined the required ore and completed the mission. Why was the ore so important for two people to lose their life over? Why was the ore so specifically from that area (because it spawned in purely for the mission). Why was there no opportunity to interact with the NPC's to see if they had a better deal - I'm sure this happened a lot in Frontier: Elite 2 and it was something. Why can't we EVA and explore wrecks in space? Longer story lines could be sold as DLC for those that want it. It could introduce new modules or even ships. 5. The two previous Elite games were based on, Trade, Fight, Explore which is where the 4X game idea comes from, Explore, Expand, Exploit, Exterminate. Four pillars that describe a simulated economy with events and characters you believe in and can empathise with. 6. The most grievous of all is Braben making statements that imply there are things out there that people haven't found yet. He can say that as he has the data of what systems and planets have been visited. Once the content is game ready they can put it in any place no one has visited and then sprinkle clues via Galnet. Ohh poor CMDR BadLuck a 6ly jump to that system and you would have found it 3 years ago when you passed nearby. This is as usual a long diatribe of thoughts as I know the game could be memorable, wonderful, epic, timeless and there are no shortage of stories available. But it's not a gripe against the developers, it's poor management by a person or group of people who themselves don't play computer games, and if they do, not for the same reasons other people do.

I'm kinda glad there is not much community in game. I play exclusively in solo mode because the few people I ever ran across in open were all gankers, 100%. Open world PvP always attracts the worst people. Now I know there are also good people in open, but they don't outweigh the massive negative of the gankers. Look at the Robigo run. I tested this out twice in open, both times there were 3 or more gankers just hanging out waiting to kill a players who they knew were in a passenger ship. Why? Don't really care, because I wouldn't want to play with that type of person anyway, LOL!

Oh, and another thing: Just incorporate INARA or EDDB into the game already!!

Not as negative as I was afraid it would be, Astro. Nice video. I would like to NEGOTIATE with mission givers.... "No, but I'll do it for a Power Regulator. "

In order to fix the community issue they need to address the griefing in open play it turns off a lot of people from playing with others that they do not know. Last time I tried open I was smoked almost instantly

The urge to say it.... is unbear- *CONSOLE SUPPORT BEING CUT*

Totally agree on the material grind. Hopping from emissions signal to another is boring, and so is grinding mats at crash sites and refreshing the game. I'd add another thing : The fact that we need limpet controllers for every type of action and can't have it all in one, or maybe even integrated in the ship. I don't want to sacrifice 3 internal slots just so that I can refuel allies, hack data terminals and collect flying stuff. At each kill we do, we have to spend a solid minute maneuvering around the floating materials to gather them, or waste internal space to fit a collector limpet controller...

I love the game, but pretty much everything in it is about 20%-30% done. It is a very stable experience for the most part, but I spend so much time while playing wishing that something I am doing just had more.

I feel you on this. A full 1:1 scale beautiful galaxy, immersive ship flight and combat, the interesting lore and world-building, Elite has so much that I really enjoy and gives us one of the best space game experiences I have seen to this day. But we've watched Elite never truly fulfill that potential, and we just haven't seen FDev poor the passion and risk needed into Elite that would have made it the best that it truly could have been. There are pages and pages of 'what-ifs' and 'could have beens' and missed opportunities for Elite. CMDRs want to feel connected and part of the same galaxy as their fellow CMDRS. We don't want mind-numbing grind and rinse-and-repeat material gathering. We want to see the galaxy shape itself, not just spoonfed Galnet news and CGs. We want modularity, individualization, and customization with suits, ships, modules, upgrades, parts and pieces. We want to be able to really "have the items in our hands" and mix and match anything and everything like legos. We want balanced and challenging gunplay and a visceral feel of being on-foot and on a planet and moving around in the gameworld, not just 'reload simulator 3309'. We want server connection and multi-crew that is reliable so that CMDRs can actually be together and trust that they can stick together. We want to see the Elite galaxy be 'alive' - superpower specific soldiers in settlements, NPC SRVs moving to and fro, activity and life from NPCs at settlements. CMDRs want to really experience Elite but so much of that experience seems to be limited by what FDev is willing to bring to the table.

You're absolutely right on all counts and it's pretty much why I don't play anymore. Odyssey killed the game for me. Instead of finishing all the unrealised features, they bolted on an FPS to attract more players. IMHO the game should have stayed entirely focussed on being a pilot and the on foot stuff should have been limited to pilot related tasks (trading, repairing, collecting, loading, mining etc). The fact you can now be a space marine, really jars with the pilot experience. They just don't gel. Anyways. Great vid.

I maxed out my suits and weapons, now there is nothing else to do on foot. I agree with you on everything. 👍

A lot of these immersion breaking things could easily be fixed with new mission types. For example, passenger escort missions. The commander has to take a passenger to a settlement and wait for them to exit the ship and go into the station.

Elite is and always will be a totally soulless experience. I had some amazing moments, dropping onto a planet in my Diamondback and slowly flying over a Thargoid base, with the eerie effects and amazing music...but nothing happened. Come on let's face it, the actual 'game' is so bare bones it's just not worth angsting over it any more. The ships are amazing and the flying is fantastic, and the galaxy engine is phenomenal. Pretty much all of that was there right from the start. Then... Elite is probably the biggest wasted opportunity/potential in gaming. I'm pretty sure most Elite players have _wished_ there was way more in the game and have simply spent most of their time fighting with the game and Frontier. Plus hoping the carrot constantly being dangled (well, it used to..now Frontier have learned the lesson about hype I think) was going to be worth waiting for. None of it was ever worth waiting for in IMHO. Its all way too half baked. Hopefully Starfield will be more substantial. Will be very interesting to see what the ships are like.

the 5th point so true. I started when odyssey came out (but horizons at first for me) and its hard to feel like im in a multiplayer game at all, it's very lonely. One other thing for me: stuck to one ship. So I do love to explore, but I am so far out in the black now that even to think of coming back all that way to participate in other stuff hurts my head, so I haven't logged in for 3 months. I wish I could have an explore ship out in the black but sometimes log in to a different ship in the bubble and do that kind of game play a little while until I get bored and am rady to be back in the black and log into that ship again.

The main thing missing from Elite is "Eve Onlines - Industry and Marketing system". ( People LOVE to harvest resources & then use purchased blueprints to MAKE things, Ships, Modules, *everything* used in game.). The main thing missing from Eve Online is "In ships flight combat & mechanics". If Elite & Eve merged the games so you had the best of both universes, it could be unstoppable.

I think there should be a rare enemy ship that sometimes spawns in dangerous areas where its basically a boss fight cuz its hard to kill but if you manage to do it its a guaranteed good weapon like its engineered or something and has a unique projectile compared to other hardpoints. I would rather spend a lot of time searching for and beating something like an extra extra large Federal corvette ror something similar than hours or days grinding materials to not get the effect i want from engineering.

Same HUD for ALL ships; No interior ship; Space leg without vr; Transfer ship time; no mods ( i mean mods, not app)

There is too much reliance on third party info. Simple example, would anyone ever know about Davs Hope simply by playing the game. There should be a mission given at to a new player to go to Davs and an explanation of what all this stuff you are picking up is good for.

Totally agree. I was working towards a getting a FC (mostly for rp solo purposes), but the grind was too much and I lost interest since last summer. Odyssey dropped below $20 in Dec, so I got it and tried to get back into it, but good ole ED wiped my controller config, and it was the final straw that I didn't want to re-learn/figure out as it had been too long away from it and I couldn't remember. I'm not sure what could get me interested again.

This video was not salty at all Astro, no need to be PC. Constructive criticism moves mankind forward, not unnecessary politeness.

Astro is 100% correct on these points. I left during ED:O's release, and it still hurts thinking about this game's lost potential. The ED:O mess was the last straw that broke the camel's back for many.

One thing that always bugs me... Why is only the ship that gets a visible damage model is the Anaconda. It's been like that since it first released. Why have none of the other ships got this treatment?

The thing I hate the most is us Xbox players got completely left behind

I've actually given up playing for all the above reasons. I logged in just before Christmas with the intention of making enough advanced credits to pay for my Fleet Carrier upkeep for another few months. But then I thought, what am I doing?! I wasn't playing to enjoy the game. I was playing just to grind grind grind credits to make up for a poor game mechanic. Time is precious and as far as I'm concerned, that was a massive waist of my time. So I packed it in. I don't have any intention of playing again.

My biggest problem is definitely the grind. Mostly for materials and not so much the money

The part that I hate is the grind for the best. It turns me away anytime I boot the game up. I also wish there were better events for PvP. Maybe bounty hunting systems and advertised warzone that give incentives to bring players to fight each other.

I'm really not upset at all about the lack of new suits or weapons for Odyssey, given what an absolute nightmare it is to actually gather materials to engineer them. Maybe if there was a viable method of material-gathering that didn't require getting into firefights or amassing a bounty, and maybe if we had the ability to do nonlethal takedowns that didn't alert anyone or give you a fine/bounty instead of being forced into murder, murder, murder all the time. Maybe then, with those two things, upgrading and engineering suits and weapons would be better. Oh and of course, if we had the ability to remove engineering instead of being forced to start over with a fresh gun. Not being able to remove unwanted engineering is absolute bullshit.

Two reasons I feel so disappointed in Elite Dangerous: 1. A general lack of imagination. 2. Everything (almost) feels half-baked.

I tried to jump back in recently but the engineer grind just still annoys the shit out of me. I don't understand why you can't get all grade 5 materials from missions. I don't care how slow it is, at least that way I can just play whatever missions I like and make progress.

Some issues I have with the game: The fastest way to collect materials needed for engineering is to log out and then back into the game repeatedly and Fdev thinks that's totally fine. Fdev still has not done anything to even approach fixing the crime and punishment problem in the game. Fdev is vastly underutilizing the community. Why are their not in-game features that show me a vetted list of third party tools, or why haven't some of them been rolled into the game by now. Why isn't their a button to click from a pause menu or log in screen to get in touch with the fuel rats or the hull seals. Honestly the community does far more to keep the game playable than Fdev does.

One thing I hate is when you go into cinematic and you have to hit “y” to hide the hud. It should be option just to have it off

Im just here to collect the tears of dissatisfied PC Odyssey players to fill my waterbed with. That is how I sleep at night as a former console E:D player.

In Warframe you can random queue for an eidolon hunt or orb mother hunt and get matched with 3 random players looking to do the same thing. LOT of games have random public matchmaking. Why not add the option to random queue for a thargoid fight? Some way to queue players so that when everyone's ready they all drop into the same instance and there are thargoids waiting. Would be a nice way to take advantage of profit sharing without having to know people in advance. Or maybe this exists somehow and I'm not aware of it, I'm a new player, but I haven't seen any way to do this yet.

Space missions are repetitive and monotonous. Horribly under-developed! They're more like half an idea that stops after a certain point. No hero's or villains from the main power factions for you to play alongside. No story content other than text based OUT OF GAME. No quest lines to help you get more immersed or explore certain parts of the Bubble or galaxy. Grindy...wow! Unbelievable grinds! In fact, that's what ED will reduce you to doing. There's just no reason or satisfaction in doing any of the Starport missions at all, they are SO under-developed! This would be my choice of what should be addressed and now Odyssey is here, how space missions could connect to story content on planets. So since 2014...they haven't even finished things yet!

Just make missions that give out most materials that save out grinding all the time.

This game died for me when they made fleet carriers that FORCE YOU to play and if not you will loose them. This was day when I uninstalled the game. Before I loved this game.

It's a love and hate relationship at the same time, isn't it.

The dead features is a problem. CQC/Arena Ground game weapons ships Squadrons Powerplay All of these need at least a feature and polish pass. The consistency of engineering and then acquiring the item is just haphazard. Between ground game, space game, guardian vs traders vs rescue (supplier?) ships. Unlock vs pay per single. It's all a bit messy and inconsistent, and they really need to polish the ground game past the cardboard indy studio status that is has been living in for 1.5 years.

While entering/exiting ship without a full interior would be better than what we have now, I still think it was a massive missed opportunity. Contrary to what FDEV said, it would not "take too long and get old". Especially in a world where you can spend hours jumping to another location and waste several minutes to over an hour (hutton) to fly to a station. What I think they should have done is add a slower version of supercruise assist to all ships. Maybe have it travel at 50% speed instead of 70% or whatever it is now. That would allow people in all ships to get out of their chair and do something in the ship without having to completely stop or wander off or run into something. They should allow players to customize their quarters similar to how they customize the cockpit, which would be a huge revenue stream for FDEV. And to sell it, when someone else is in your ship, they should also be able to walk around your ship and see how you've customized it. That would give people more incentive to spend money to make their ships more personalized. Outside of that, I think it would have been nice to have an EV suit so that we could collect materials from wreckage in space, and it would be nice to perform some small repairs to our ship from the outside. Perhaps we could go out and patch up the hull to some degree (though not as well as a limpet) if we found materials to do so. There's so much they could do.

"it's only four years" I've been hoping they'll bring in the Wolf as an alien hybrid ship, but that's probably OP. What happened to the Moray Starboat? That's supposed to be a spaceship and submarine. How cool would that look? The Constrictor!! The OG Elite experimental military ship. So many options. I agree with your points in general. I also wish Odyssey had shown Elite's universe as less StarCitizeny. Elite always felt like an 80s style ageing capitalist dystopia, so I always imagined more british cyberpunk aesthetics and sensibilities in a way. At least more industrial and grimy for the most part.

The GRIND for materials! If anything this is the one thing that puts me off… used to play for hours but lost the interest… there’s simply not enough variety in the game mechanics. Every type of mission is virtually identical. Any game that essentially requires you to log out and back in endless times to collect materials is BROKEN!

Lets run down the (an Incomplete) List: Fdev's neglect of the lore (from frivolous little things such as missing/incorrect details about a lore related system, to long forgotten major things. Such as The Club/Raxxla/Dark Wheel/etc). Nevermind the d=fact Fdev seems to have, erroneously moved away from player driven "events" (think the first ever contact between Thargoids and the player base), to "Handholding Story telling". Where nothing happens until Galnet says something. Fdev's Neglect of certain game mechanics; Such as PowerPlay, Engineering, Further engagement in the variety of ways to play (think Smuggling, Passenger, All of the onfoot stuff, Exploration, etc). Fleet Carriers. Still not much reason to own one, and no way (in game) to reduce or eliminate maintenance. Not to mention all of the useless "features" you can add to the ships (such as Pioneering Supplies). CONSOLE SUPPORT DED!!!! Should i mention all of the permit locked regions in the galaxy? I feel like i should. And what about thoughs Security permit-locked systems.

What I personally really dislike about Oddysey is change in artstyle. Horizons had that realistic approach, but also a bit of color tints here and there to make the space a bit prettier. That also applied to planets. Oddysey just looks sterile compared to Horizons unless you're on a world with atmosphere. It's the reason why I still play the old Horizons when exploring just space or planets with no atmosphere.

It boggles my mind that they weren't able to get the ship transition correct. By contrast, X4 allows you to get in or out of your ship, walk up to the cockpit and take over, then, dock your ship in a bigger ship and walk up to the bridge and coordinate with that in a battle. Sure, you don't get the on ground shooting, or anything, but, there are other games which are older that were able to nail that stuff, Everspace 2 too, and, ofc, Spacebourne 2, but, also, Stellar Tactics too. Granted in the latter, it's not an fps view, however, part of the gameplay is getting out of your ship and exploring parts of the surface of the planets. Do I hate Elite Dangerous? No, not at all, I think that it fried my other laptop, but, I don't hate it, it's just, IDK, I have yet to buy the Frontiers DLC.

Thank you Astro. They need telling. Cheers

They really need to do something about the grind. That's my biggest gripe about it. They laser mining is boring. You just click and hold your mouse until it's depleted, and then move on. Why not have certain areas on the asteroid that give more or less materials? Then we'd have to maneuver around the asteroid to get the best results. We'd have to pick and choose which asteroid is worth it based on how fast it's spinning, etc. All we have to worry about right now is that the limpets don't suicide (which they need to just fix). Exobiology is the same. Find the plant, scan the plant, rinse and repeat until you get tired of it. There's nothing fun about the scanning process. It's basically just a scavenger hunt. Also, having to pass up other plants because you need three in a row is kind of a dumb restriction. Let us swap out canisters at the very least.

I know the feeling. I think it has much to do with FD announcing a loss of $1.5 billion, quite recently (I believe it was recently). I stopped playing Elite prior to the release of ODY. There are alot of good things about ED; certain narratives (Jameson's legacy for instance, Generation Ships, INRA base logs etc), discovering ancient Guardian and Thargoid ruins (especially the atmospheric music scores surrounding these places. When I saw these things, I thought 'Are these all going to be tied together. Are we going we going to a resurgent Guardian AI or Thargoid forces clash and how will this impact the galatic commiunity. Will we get to pilot Thargoid or Guardian hybrid vessels. It feels as though these objects are just there in space. There's no aim. Yes, the Thargoids have invaded and I think the events surrounding are great, but it could have been implemented better. There's so much content in Elite, but most of it feels isolated and disconnected, like seperate pieces of puzzle that have been jury rigged to fit with one another.

Hi, yesterday, PC Bang, one of the most popular spaniard youtubers specializated in Elite Dangerous tutorials and good stuff in general told to his community he just closed his channel, but not only youtube, he also stopped streaming in twitch. There are a lot of solid reasons for making this decision, but one of the most important reasons was the fact he requested Frontier to be part of the partner program (basically for getting free "items" aka skins and/or keys for his audience, making a relative good marketing campaing...i guess...), and after showing he accomplished all the requests, Frontier told him NO after months of waiting, adding some no-answers for other questions he made to them. The reason for this negative seems to be Frontiers are not interested in spanish-LATAM sector of his audience, making this a torn to discrimination... what do you think about it? thanks for all your effort, you are one of the biggest yt making stuff for this game, but Frontiers seems to hate their own game and community...

I hate their inability to fix the fresh bugs they keep introducing. And the "lalalala we can't hear you": the forum thread about the broken PWA is now way old (I forget how many months) with shedloads of comments and yet NOT A SINGLE STAFF member has ever commented in it.

hell yea! Finally you speak like a man, not like a minion. You growed much in my eyes. Keep going please. This game hase so damn huge non used potential and its shame!

There are just three general points I consider unacceptable with Elite, especially as they persisted for years like a festering wound. A) FDEV inflates playtime by grind shamelessly, despite all the critique they received. B) FDEV can't be bothered to balance out their game values (weapon damage, ship stats, task reward, material cost etc.), unless there is an exploit that circumvents point A). C) The game is unplayable without third party tools, and FDEV takes the community effort for granted and doesn't seem to bother. Is this intentional neglect, is this avoidance of cost to increase company winnings, or just incompetence? I only know it is a shame.

Fdev have lost this CMDR, for now. No significant new improvements, no new content, the imminent stale grind... In a desperate move tried out Scam Citizen (free fly) and now laid down $45. TBH: breath of fresh air - and quite a few CMDRs too. Hope Fdev will FINALLY step up their game, NOW, to fix/build the stuff we need and want! :(

never knew about the "32 buttons" thing. Another thing that screams of console-firs development despite FDev actively abandoning the consoles the first chance they got "because it's hard to keep our promises" (paraphrased). considering the original and sequel to elite were keyboard based and had a list of hundreds of buttons to control the system with (and average keyboard has 100+ keys) that explains so much. ..

D2EA’s criticisms were relatively niche and superficial. I have no problem whatsoever with disembarking my ship without having to go through some elevator stair descending exercise.., but I will make a prediction that FD, the same way they progressed fleet carrier interiors will offer a limited number of interior options for ships like the anaconda the cutter the Corvette and a handful of others. A walkable cargo area even if it’s just from an observation concourse for carriers would be a nice little touch. Also forget the conscious notion of things taking too long or being in a grind, you are playing a galaxy map that keeps you so busy I don’t understand how anybody could just sit around and say oh my God this is a grind?🤷🏻‍♂️ some other welcome additions will be the expansion of populated space to the north the east and the west of the galactic core region to give players far off destinations beyond the bubble and Colonia that will reinvigorate the game in that sense. Also they need to go ahead and start sprinkling landabke ELW’s and other worlds with animal life oceans and other features for players to have POI’s that will take them across vast regions for the payoff

Elite lost me, I just play Star citizen now. Frontier isn't making a game, it's a theme park of forgotten tech and half assed mechanics. Gave thousands of hours to it but Odyssey was the final nail in the coffin for me.

I fully agree with you on the Fleet carriers topic. I personally hated the fact that everyone could get them instead of them being a squadron asset. And as many predicted, every single star system in the bubble got littered with fleet carriers, which completely removed the specialty about them when literally anyone could get their hands on them with a little bit of grind.

You are never going to have community as long as PvP is allowed in the main game. You can't have solo play, private play, and then open play except in open play anyone can shoot and kill you at anytime. There are no engineered mods that protect you if you are not a strong PvP. Elite needs to address this before people can find each other in game at random.

> talks about how Odyssey is "disconnected" from the main game > me not even thinking about buying odyssey, as I came to Elite because in this game you fly starships and don't just run-gun-loot like in usual first person shooters ofc those points are sure valid. Especially "not going back to expand upon things once introduced"

I wish the transition from walking to getting into the ship was like clips I've seen of Star Citizen. Opening a door, ramp, or lift to get inside the ship. Actually walking around inside the ship to get to the pilot seat. Then selecting options to take off and fly. There's even options to turn on cabin lights.

agree so much on "the grind"... keeps me from experimenting with new ships builds and its boring as heck. So much so that my alt account has been abandoned.

Bottom line is they should have added ship internals. meaning walking around your ship.

I don't grind mindlessly anymore, know I play at my own pace, without thinking about how I could get this or this faster. Doing the same thing over and over is boring af ! Thank's for the vid Cmdr o7

The sentence "ED has got so much potential" is almost a meme at this point. What I feel is that Frontier is absolutely disconnected from the ED's players/fans, and also they don't give a fk.

The one and primary reason why I stopped playing is the engineering. The grind is not fun and takes WAY to long.

Your thoughts on squadrons has me thinking about how cool it would be if players could group up and pool funds to build a starport or something like that.

I would strongly disagree with grind part. Let's say FD strips it; what would players do if they suddenly get all the ships, fleet carrier and best modules? Get bored. Grind is a requirement for **any** sandbox game. No one complains about it in Minecraft which is pure grind-fest. But once you create farms and have all the resources, game quickly becomes boring. So it is not an issue in ED, people play with it for thousands of hours and expect always unique content, for mere $100 one-time payment. It is simply not real, unless FD starts charging monthly.

I hate the materials grind so much it’s going to be the reason I stop playing.

I will not be back until there are ship interiors. I want to do what I do in EGS - I am light years away from anywhere, I want to land on a planet, wander around my ship and look out of the windows and just chill.

How about they kicked out a good portion of the player base when the kicked out the consoles. 😵‍💫

I've been ranting on the forums for years, since I backed the beta. The game was on a great track through update 1.2 "Wings" during it's first year, and then began introducing disconnected and unfinished features year after year starting with powerplay. Basic systems were moved to what feel like beta-stage (in SC terms, Tier 0) and left there. A few core gameplay loops that are common to the genre were bland, and only mining was truly fleshed out... Bounty Hunters sit in a static location (a RES site) and play whack-a-mole, conflict zones are the same, pirates' tools don't work (no way to disable ships, hatch breakers don't scale). Smuggling... exists? There's never any penalty beyond fines which mean nothing, no risk. Powerplay could've tied into the MMO aspect by being centered around minor factions, which could then be supported by Squadrons later down the line, eventually meshing together to create a pseudo-EvE without the most hard-core aspects of that game. CQC Needed to be expanded. The core gameplay was good (although I wasn't a big fan of powerups), and I the concept of losing your lock when a ship moved beyond a physical barrier was great, and should've gone into the open world. However, they could've added a free-flight mode, private lobbies, a mode to test ships you don't have... etc. A counterpart to the open-world. Maybe even add larger-ship arena combat, and then a gamemode that just lets you import your open-world ship. Engineering screwed up any chance of multiplayer balance. It had a lot of potential to add interesting gameplay via the experimental effects, but a system with outright upgrades with very little downside across the board did not and does not belong in any game with even a semblance of PvP even possible. Prior to engineering, you could learn what each type of ship could do, and plan accordingly. During my nooby pirate days in 1.1/1.2, I flew a Cobra Mk III because it was the fastest thing around. Only clippers and other cobras stood a chance of catching me. Now, anyone (but especially newer players) have to be infinitely cautious around anything, because they never know what ships can do what jobs, given the very high degree of ship modularity combined with the vast amount of possible outfitting permutations allowed through engineering. The last thing I'll rant about here are the Thargoids. Introduced in late 2017 to the game, they were (and are) an incredible feat of game design. However, as soon as they're introduced, they're barely followed up on as apparently (per Drew Wagar) there was a behind-the-scenes lore meltdown in the office and FDev scrapped their plans... meaning nothing serious happened with them until... NOW. Five years later! This game could've gone to the moon...

it not the physical transition from foot to flight that causes disconnect its the menus and activities separation ... there are literally 2 separate games loops with very little in common from engineers to missions.. also the UI is old, tired and cumbersome .. a refresh to improve the flow and use of the various interfaces focused on keyboard is long overdue

I hate that co.op is so broken I hate that there's no mission for small groups only hardcore missions for big teams or endgame players I hate that exploration is so shallow I hate that oddisey is so shallow I hate the unnecessary grinding that only works as a masquerade for the shallow gameplay I hate the bad performance on foot

yea those are very fair critiques.. They should have at least allowed you to move around on the bridge specially for those long super cruise trips the only time I can do it is while playing in VR one easy idea would be to add weekly squadron task that would either award large credits or arx.. Lost ark has a system like that for it's guild which I find interesting.

Add to the list: multicrew. Sloppily implemented, few uses apart from piloting SLF.

I left this game because of the grind. Some ground is fine, but elites grind is insane.

I do not entirely agree with you in the on foot/ship disconnection, not in the way you talk about it, I play more SC than ED by far and I often compare them both, ship interiors or partial ship interiors would be nice for ED BUT it wouldn't fix the disconnection between on foot gameplay and ship gameplay, correct me if I'm wrong, but my intention with this game was to play more on foot stuff than ship stuff, but I eventually saw myself forced to play with a ship (don't get me wrong, I like it but I wanted to do on foot stuff) because on foot missions wouldn't get you near as much money as ships do, the best paid mission I saw on foot was 5 millions and it was meant to be done in a group of people, but then, I see passenger missions giving me between 1, 2 or 5 millions per mission and I can make lots of them plus I might get some materials and stuff to upgrade my ship. On foot missions give little to no money and you get materials to upgrade your suits and weapons, that's it, and like you said, there are just a few of these so the moment you upgrade the one you want or every piece of gear, then why would you play on foot missions? even then, you would need to play ship missions to get enough money for some upgrades or to buy some lvl 2 or 3 weapons that are way too expensive to buy just with on foot money. The key is not ship interiors, not just that at least, is that in the end, some of this stuff is completly useless, maybe you can get more money with exo-biology, but that's just one part of the whole experience, it's connected on one aspect. SC for example, I'll compare it because... well, we can compare them both, because for now at least it doesn't have crafting involved, doing some space killing missions get you money to buy on foot gear and doing some ground killing missions get you money to buy ships or upgrades for them. With this in mind, maybe a fix could be to give more money per mission and maybe give ship materials not only on foot materials, idk, maybe a new location, a ship component factory, you can sneak in and steal some components. In the derelict missions, the crashed ships, let us steal components from the ships if they are still in good condition. On the other hand, with ships, when you destroy some other ship and you see they dropped loot, maybe they could give on foot materials. Just make them part of each other.

The black transition must absolutely go, and also the exploration inside the ship, that is definitely needed, come on. In detail on how to do the transition without black screen is the sitting moment should be fading (in full colors dynamic scene) no black screen so it will give a sort of "star wars" feeling, it would not be disconnected anymore even in terms of taste, it would be ok. Absolutely about grind, I wanna play this game but I am a bit scared. I never picked it up but I have everything for it... I am scared that it is like EFT, fortunately it doesn't reset your progress as Escape from tarkov does... and it's not bullet spongy but .. I fear it's a bit too grindy.. I am looking forward to see how it will play for me. Absolutely another thing is: way too much stuff is outside external third party stuff.. It would be cool if some stuff was brought in the game. Not a couple of things but at least major services...

Ever since Odyssey was shoved down player's throats, I have said FDev simply tacked a FPS onto their SPACE game. Player's asked for space legs, FDev said YES! Then said NO! Player's asked for ice planets, FDev said YES! Then said NO! Players asked for Panther Clipper, FDev said YES! Then said NO! And on and on and on and on. Apparenty, it turns out it is really HARD to do ...

Totally agree on all the points. Haven’t played since Odyssey started, but dearly miss what it could be, but just can’t play it after having seen that everything is just grind. I think Frontier could salvage things by doing 2 things. Firstly develop a base building mechanic similar to subnautica. Let me build a base for myself, where all my stuff goes. Where people can come and visit me. If it needs to be underground to avoid having performance issues, so be it. Similarly, let me build a store, where I can buy and sell resources. I want to see the human presence in the galaxy expand and new communities develop. Secondly, I would like us to be able to use the base building mechanism to build challenges for other people to play against, like a cross between Mario Maker, Clash of Clans and HellDivers. A small squadron of people can fly to my challenge base’s location and if they can penetrate it and achieve some sort of objective, they can gain a trinket or trophy as pride for their accomplishment. Obviously, I would have placed various defenses in my own unique way that would make it hard to achieve, and perhaps you would need specific strategies to crack each base. I think if you can start to encourage squadron based combat, community will start to build. It would stop Frontier from having to create all the challenges from scratch and instead focus just on the components and letting the community develop multitudes of content.

I hate the guardian blue print grind with the stupid timer.

The absolute bullshit that is manufactured or for that matter ALL material grinds. Also, why cant we have a single "you want to purchase this engineering for this module/gun/etc?" "1 Click here, done, 1st level done, you want 2nd level? 1 click done, etc..." None of that rolling RNG shit. Edit: Yes, so fuel scoop engineering (and i mean useful one, not like shielded or low mass, i mean like faster scooping), or guardian weapons engineering, or anything like that.

Engineers would be much better to have once you have one unlocked, be able to engineer things without having to go a see them. Way too much running around grabbing materials just to go to the engineer (with a ship you are building with low jump range) just to find out you are missing one more material. Everything is fine with unlocking them and the materials needed. Just make it so you dont have to go to the engineer for every single module you want to engineer. Make it so once unlocked, you and engineer them anywhere

1. For me Ody is a highly needed addition to the game and I don´t find that it feels disconnected. Ok, at the beginning i had a damaged SRV and items around it, then i left the SRV and I haven´t seen the damage and the items were also gone....like a whole different map. Why are people so much into these ship interiors? Ive seen this in other games, moving 3-4 times around the ship and then search for key-binds to "port" around....but yes, I would like to move around the cockpit and leaving the ship with an elevator from there. 2. Agree on the dead-features, so many things are underutilized and thats sad....but what dou you mean with 8 years and 50% of its lifetime?? Will they shut everything down after 16 years and no one can play it from there?? 3. Fully agree and I also think that ED is related to 3rd party stuff. We can thank to this dedicated community, because relating only on the ingame tools and most of the players would be lost and not many would play it. Why aren´t there Targho or Guardian ruins, with on foot missions like investigating, raiding, killing a boss, etc.? Why can´t you hire an NPC that gathers mats for you and lessen the grind? Why can´t players have an own base or trading with others? This can all be connected in a main hub, like the Citadell in Mass effect or main city in other mmos, where people can meet people for ingame activites....so, for fun with the game within the game? I like ED, but it feels like a soccer/football match, many shots on target but most are missed opportunities.

returned to the game recently, but it almost gives me physical pain to play, yet i want to play it. I dont have engineers(just the fsd so far),and its a joke that i have to watch tons of guides since i dont have materials, plus the game aint telling you exactly where to "farm" them so to say. This grind for materials is a hassle really,since its not implemented in an enjoyable way.Going to an emission, then quitting to main menu or to desktop,then relaunching it to fly to the same space, to gather the same material gain and again, WOW SO MUCH FUN.Or finding the raw materials i need with its 2% drop rate,which most of the time feels more like 0,05% after you finally find a god damn spot where they exist.Could list more problems as well, but as someone who doesnt have them, i can easily see my shortcomings in everything pretty much. Like for example a single ship can kill me with 1 engineered weapon in a resource site,and i cant even go to hazardous ones as most have more engineered modules there,thargoid is a no go as well as its a different grind and so on. I kinda want to like the game, but i will probably drop it after i grind the empire/fed rep till the last ship.

Needs more player loops. Copy Star citizen and bring in ship interiors. Physically getting on and off your ship will go a long way especially if your ship is damaged, you can physically go out if the ship and do hull repairs with available materials. Bring in salvage mechanics. Could you imagine hull stripping disabled ships. This game has so much potential.

I agree. I use to love elite but it almost seems in maintenance mode besides the war. I'll admit I have been playing more do to the war. I don't really like the fighting the flowers but transportation is fun. Edit: I really think they should add squadron missions that effect the game space in some way.

Ship interiors really should have been added in the game with Odyssey, Frontier really doesn't have excuse anymore on that. Even if they were just simple interiors, it is better than what we have right now. Also, when I was playing, I tried to take two or three courier missions that went to the same outpost because that's efficient, but once I took one, the others locked because you "cannot take missions thatgo to the same location" which is incredibly poor design making simple missions even more of a grind for no reason.

I have a lot of gripes with Frontier's choices at times. Oddysey launched with a lot of problems on top of being during the Covid explosion. They spent a very long time not developing new content while they fixed those numerous problems. I'm grateful they did that. So I won't hold not having new ships against them because of those decisions. But my hopes would be improvements to the game in the future. I strongly agree the Joystick issues would be fabulous being fixed. It really feels awful to need to dumb down the joystick. Not to mention the interface in elite will call different buttons from the software side the same button name.

I wouldn't say they're "unable" to add hud colors to the livery. It's a flat out choice. There's no technical reason they can't make that change.

Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous. The two best, and most expensive Tech Demo's I have ever had to pay for. Games.... not so much.

The worst thing in ED is Frontier's awful attitude to players and their game.

I still don't believe that the transition between cockpit to on foot its a fade black screen. Common devs, just save the money for a Elite Dangerous 2.

Former ED console player here. All valid points in the vid. I spent 3+ years playing the XBOX version of the game. Started with the Horizons expansion and had some good fun with ED...it scratched the space game itch. I agree that the game is way to grindy but there is so much to do in the game that it was easy to just move from one type of game loop to another to mix things up. What killed the game for me was the FDev's decision to abandon console players by not releasing Odyssey on consoles (I understand that Odyssey is not a great expansion but I, like many others, was looking forward to having FPS gameplay in ED) . It seems like FDev is slowly letting this game die so maybe it is time to take it behind the barn and end the suffering. I don't think I will ever go back to playing ED , not with some other emerging space games that offer the potential to scratch that space game itch.

I hate it mainly because they gave up on consoles because their dlc was crap.

Honestly, how much would elite improve if the players who attack other players randomly received huge punishments, for example that the forces of the system appeared and destroyed it immediately, it would greatly increase the presence of players in the open and they would interact with each other beyond destroying you the ship because my dad and my mom are cousins and I'm so normal, so normal