In Britain, the EP3 Type R is beloved and is one of the best generations of the platform. Also...the EP3 has THE BEST shifter ever put in a Civic. Which is saying alot
I got an 03 I’ve had for 6 months now, at 264k now pushing 270k miles. Needed some work it’s a got a bit of rust nothing crazy. But that thing has been a trooper. Technically my second car I’ve had.
@@dseriescivic4245 I got the D17a1 with 270k almost my goal is to hit 300k with it. Transmission is the main thing I’m worried about, it’s also got cam wear. But I ain’t gonna fiddle with that until It gets noticeably worse.
@@dseriescivic4245 good to hear. Just picked up a em2 (03 civic ex) with like 111k on it. Beautiful shape not banged up. Threw some tein flex Zs on it just to replace the rusted leaky old OEM stuff. Love the car. Hoping to get 300k out of it as well. It is auto though. But I drive it like an old woman lol. Should be fine. Good luck with yours! I think the 7th gen coupes are the coolest looking civics. If they only had VX mileage tho lol.
I daily an 03 coupe. 208k and still no issues. A zippy little car that handles great. I never understood why so many people complained about the new suspensionn design (it handles just as well as the old one) and the D17 is a good motor. Not excessively powerful, but adequate for the car as previous gens were. Also, with a supercharger, beefed up rods, and an upgraded headgasket/headbolts they can push 350hp without a sweat. Easy to swap a K20 and 6-Speed from an RSX too.
It's the perfect daily for a few of those reasons (after a fel-pro head gasket). Also putting a few performance parts (clutch, lightweight flywheel and all the usuals) on it like I did to my '01 manual ex can really make it fun while remaining practical :) Oh and don't forget the flat back floor and double din stereo hole!
You have your information wrong buddy . You don’t know about Honda’s lol .... by the way the ep3 your talking about is not a ep3 it’s a EP2 . The civic Si aka Ep3 has the k20A3 engine and the type r has k20A and the ep2 has de D series .
In Canada the EP3 was the EP3, it was actually called the SiR (only in Canada) and it came with the K20A3. North America never got the Civic Type R that had the K20A, the closest thing we got to that was the DC5 Acura RSX Type S that had the very similar K20A2. The only civic that had the D series was the EM2 and ES1,2,3. I admit my knowledge may have been a big regionally based but it isn’t incorrect.
Seventeen years ago I bought EM2. Not even a month into owning it I noticed white smoke coming from the engine compartment, the engine was OVERHEATING! A year later the auto trans starts to overheat whenever I drive over an hour on the highway. In the seventeen years of owning it, I have had every problem that everyone has with their Civic, however I never had any of the issues fixed. Believe me, it just went away itself. I'm still driving the car today. I always tell people that the problem with the car is simply the ECU. If the ECU is faulty, it will cause problems. Kinda like the doctor telling you you're not well when you feel great. If you believe that you're sick like the doctor tells you then you're gonna feel sick.
My 02 lx has 300235 miles on it.Has went 90 miles per day,every day for 17 years.I changed the timing belt/water pump once.I put a head gasket in...last week,in my driveway.At 300000 miles.I would not call that"premature".I have several civics.Another 02,coupe an 07 ex.The best of them by far has been the 300000 miler.In nearly 20 years it has cost me nothing but oil changes and spark plugs.Still gets 38 mpg.Still does what the speedo has on it.There is nothing you can bash.It is what Honda intended it to be.If the"enthusists"want a fast tunable car...why are they even looking towards a economical reliable car?
What do you think about leaving my Magnum RT for a seventh gen SI hatch? It has 80k less miles, I want a manual since I've never had one, and I want better fuel economy
I have five kids and all needed transportation. So to keep maintenance simple through high school and college they all had 7 generation Civics. A mix of LXs and DXs. In the past I have had as many as five Civic licensed and on the road at once for my wife, kids, and myself. In addition I had three for salvage parts. I agree with all you said, but the worst thing to me was changing the timing belts. Had one to break a timing belt and caused a very expensive valve job. The head gaskets were a problem (as you mentioned). There were good things about the cars as well, the first being the transmissions, never had a failure. I never really liked the way the outside looked but the inside had a good layout and the plastics, seats, carpet, and other materials held up well. Down to one child in college now so only have two Civics licensed.
6th gen is the worst i have one since year has alot of suspension issues the engine is noisy has no problem but noisy d17 is like that but one thing i like is and the reason i decided to keep it because of great mpg like on full tank i once achived 570 km which is quite awesome
I have a ep3. And it has a k20. No the VTech isn't really noticeable. No it's not fast but it has 160hp which isn't slow either. It's a good fun car to drive and I like it
Terrible? No, but subpar? Definitely. There is a reason why that most folks in 2005 were seriously considering the 2-door coupe Acura RSX Type S instead of the Civic Coupes or Sedans. The 2005 Si Hatchback just looked way too much like the minivan Odyssey too. And still many others were so relieved when the 2006 8th gen Civic Si came out, while others completely lost faith and bought Subaru Impreza WRX's. What the 7th gen could have been was a chance to move up the ladder and stand tall against the Focus ST completion, but instead the engineers designed the 7th gen to fight against the Toyota Corolla instead. Little did they know that the Corolla XRS and Matrix/Vibe would be impressive in their own right.
It's not too bad looking, it definitely feels more comfortable then others before it. I like it despite some of it's flaws ... Like the way the VTEC system work's on these model's or how you can barely see sh!t behind you when backing up, but it's comfortable for me compared to my DC and EF
Yeah and I acknowledge that. McPherson has its limits from a geometric standpoint, but most of us would never reach them. My point was that it’s hard to sell people on McPherson being good when you’ve been giving them double wishbone for 3 generations. Anyhow, I’m still a fan of 7th gen Civics, I’ve owned a couple now and worked on many, thanks for watching! -Matt
Thanks for all the happy honda hoots for the car I take delivery of in a weeks time. Already know I'm looking at a head gasket and timing belt change, so I'm looking for other options with an engine swap now. Thinking a used K24 since K20's have become golden fleece finds, and stand alone management isn't in the budget. Thanks much. I will prevail and likely fail, but its in the interest of keeping an Icon, right?
Thanks for watching, yeah seems like a fact of life with these cars. We did ours two weeks ago, we decided to buck the trend and try an MLS gasket this time.
Almost 300k miles on 05 ex special edition, d17a2 VTEC, still running strong. I can definitely get at least 50k+ race track miles by the way my motors lloking
I have it its almost 15 year old car whit 180 000 km never problem with engine. Ok whit 110 ps its not so fast but fuck it. I drive him on autobahn 140 150 km and its consuming 6L/100 km, for 15 year old car is very good!
My 02 ex has 240k miles on it with bolt ons and it impresses me for being a 2 lobe vtec. Also I have no issues with it, bought it for 1k and remember 240k miles... no issues
I have never thought of Honda Civic's as fast cars beating Lamborghini's. the worst thing they did was put a 160hp K20 in the SI / SIR models when the RSX had an option of the 200 hp K20.
I have 2003 honda civic its a head ache there is never a month it does not give me any problems. Im trying to sell for the past 2 years no luck of getting rid of it big mistake buying the 7th gen!😥
The ep3 was. And still is my first and only car. Now u made this comment a year ago and idk if u did get a civic or if you still haven't gotten a car. But if you haven't I would seriously recommend the ep3. It's got more power then a Honda fit at least and yeah it handles really well while stock. And I personally love the center mounted shifter. It just doesn't have arm rests so I'm long drives I tend to rest my arm on the shifter. Which I know is bad but if anything breaks I'll just fix it. It's got decent room in the back. But not as much as a fit. But if you put the back seats down u got plenty of room.
It’s the most direct of swaps but still isn’t as easy as the internet thinks. I would need an EP3 or RSX subframe, an EP3 radiator, axles, hubs, shift cables, other stuff I’m forgetting now. Short answer is, far from impossible but not exactly simple. If a good deal on a wrecked rsx type s comes along I would do it.
not really that difficult if you have complete parts. We (Malaysia) here, most of the 7th gen Es did the Dc5/RSX conversion. 1 of it, u'll need is the hasport mounts.
I've had an es8 (d15 engine) for the past 4 years. Done more than 300k kilometers. I have no issues. I just wish it had more power. Other than that. In like it.
You can make 200 safe under boost on stock ecu on the d17 now anything after that is highly questionable. There are some 3rd party options for rods but tbh they are sketch at best. But k swaps are actually super in these babes
Ive got a 2001 ex and i agree it fucking sucks man, its my first car and honestly it looks really cool physically, mine has a front lip and nice wheels and stuff, but thanks to covid i dont use it so much and it still needs reparations all the time. Ive had it for 2 years now and ive spent a lot of money on it and it keeps fucking with me even though i use it 1 or 2 times per week.
I have a Value Pacake 2004 with over 380,000 miles on the odometer.. it's a very solid car. But...it's the worst damn car for mods except for exterior.. the D17 is rev happy and sounds great canned, but....no K swap on a auto D17 non VTEC ...sad day when I found that out..
No you can tune a d17 ecu with a piggyback I know a few people who are running 15-20 psi with an aem fic6 you can also tune with a vafc2 but you cant get too much boost with them but they do work if you want to do light engine mods like a stage 1 or stage 2 cam and a y8 intake manifold swap. You don't need a kpro anyone who says you need one to tune a d17, sorry to say is an asshole fanboy and we all know fanboys ruined the car scene by being mentally stuck 20 years ago.
I have an EP3 1.7 CTDi and for 3 years I only changed 2 tampons as a "repair" , my friend with the bmw e60 made 4 repairs including one of them a full engine rebuild because of malfunctions ,and yeah I have 200 k km on it , the bmw I was talking about 130 k .... so your point is civic 7th gen is trash ? Okay , keep on smiling and tell me more about the civic
I also want to tell you that a bigger chanel then yours made a video about the EP3 being a lot better then the new civic that came out .... Yes the new one is a lot faster but corners are a different matter , the 7th gen can take corners with high speed because of the brilliant engeneering at the wheels that you forgot to mention and the new civic has to go sloooooow there and its made with junk materrial ...just grab the plastic wing of the new civic and you will understand by its flopping around what we are talking about... not to mention you can make it really easy into a really fast car because it has a lot of space under the hood that you also didn't mention.
Seems like you’ve never seen a well built EP3 . And what do you expect from a honda ?! To me it’s a good daily and keep in mind it is a 14 year old Car . Not bad for it’s time!
I’ve driven a K20A2 swapped and turbocharged EP3, I thought it was excellent. The stock EP3 (known to Americans as the Civic Si and to Canadians as the Civic SiR) was the K20A3 powered 160hp wasn’t too spectacular really, it would get its lunch money taken by a VW GTi (aka the competition)
You'd think with all the motorsports Honda are involved in their cars would have more....hmmm right word ? sportyness lol But no , even the new type R still comes across as bland......my opinion. Honda in Australia has always been associated with pensioners grandma etc Yes tuners and ricers are changing but only with older cars New ones are safe and bland
I haven’t had the pleasure of driving the new type r yet, it looks big though. It seems that everything (WRX, Evolution, etc) seems to get really fast and really high tech, less raw driving experience. It’s interesting the different reputations that car brands hold around the world, I think England is the same with Honda’s being the choice of pensioners. Thanks for watching! -Matt
Off course. I have a LXI R18. Was thinking of doing a K24 swap and Bilstein suspension. Maybe put a Mugen kit on as well. Shipping will cost a fortune though. Its a pity Honda didn't sell the FD2 in SA.
Yeah that was what I did on my first Civic, replaced the rad cap, replaced the thermostat, bled/burped the coolant countless times. Each time it would seem to solve the problem for a week or so. Count yourself lucky friend! Thanks for watching! -Matt
Mine would overheat and lose coolant constantly, but it turned out it just needed a new radiator cap. 212k original engine and trans, never been touched. Seems the valves on these like to come loose every 20k though which can be a pain in the ass. I think the head gaskets fail when the cooling system isn't bled right (when coolant is changed and air is left in the system.)
Americans get the shit version of a lot of cars. Here in Australia My 01 7th gen was designed for the European market, has a better power to weight ratio than most non-sport/Type R models before or since, and has never come close to overheating even in 42 degree heat and stop-start traffic. I love driving it hard and it is tough as nails. The VI Hatch holds it's value very well and mine was a bargain at $2200 and 160 000ks. The only other ones for sale in my area at the same time were $3000 and $6000 - with the same mileage!
We do care about tuning, that’s why we’re critical. To tune a D17 you need to find yourself an ECU out of an RSX or TSX or something else K powered. You need to send that ECU in to get it reflashed to work with a D17, you also need to change the cam gear to an adjustable one + a bit of fiddly wiring. All in that would cost about $1100 Canadian, and that would just get you a D17 running stock on a new ECU that can be tuned. On many other vehicles you can start tuning with the stock ECU. The point is that the stock ECU is completely locked down which creates an expensive first step towards tuning. Again, I (Matt) don’t hate these cars, I’ve had a couple of them for a 10 year period, they are comfortable perky economy cars, they get excellent fuel economy and make a great commuter. Like any car, after you spend a lot of time with it you begin to see it has a few flaws. Go on any Civic group, even a 7th generation group page and you will see how much people deride the 7th gen civic. It ain’t for no reason pal. Thanks for watching.
