went from 991.1 to 992 gt manual 991.1 wasnt raw .... it was an unfinished product with a semi working transmission and flawed engine with a proper set of exhaust 992 is on similiar level of rawness to a 991.2 but with better performance only comparable in term of driving pleasure would be any 997 rs thats well maintained
I also disagree strongly. 992 is my dream. I’ve never driven one but I’ve sat in the driver seat and rode in the passenger seat in 2 of them at full chooch. I am IN LOVE 🥰 😍
Sorry Big T, love your stuff, but I don't agree with you on this one. The analog is more engaging, more of a real world experience. Not having to look at a screen is like throwing your smart phone in the trunk and just escaping from the troubles of the day. Having a bunch of screens in your vehicle is tantamount to having your face buried in your smart phone while driving, only it isn't in your hands. Imagine a your child buried in their phone who won't look up during a conversation with you, vs one who sets the phone aside to pay attention to your conversation while retaining eye contact the entire time. Same difference.
I also had a 991 before I got my 992 GT3 and I don´t see it that way at all! Put it in Sport Mode and Start/Stop will be off immediately and switch your Dash to Track Mode and you will have all the information you need
Picked up a 2001 S2000 from an old couple. Gave it a full service, wheels, and tires. Thing is an absolute blast. 9k redline, feels like the car is going to explode the harder you push, but the reliability is rock solid. They don't make cars like that anymore.
I agree with the screen issue. I hate the trend of digital gauge clusters. My eyes focus on real gauges easier than having to focus on a screen. So sick of looking at screens all day.
Interesting opinion, I set up my gt3 in a sport mode so all you have is 2 screens next to your rev and turn pcm off. 992 is louder inside, suspension is phenomenal, all you need is good alignment and wing adjustments
This issue is prevalent even in the non super cover realm. This is what turned me away from the 2024 mustang GT or dark horse was that the interior looked awkward with the screen going all the way across the dash and I just knew that someday there would be some software issue that would be a huge pain in the butt. I went with a 2018 focus RS with the real gauges and two small screens and I love it.
The S650 Mustang is a disappointment. The S550's dashboard was perfect, just the right amount of retro and performance. The S650 has the dashboard screenblade out of a Kia EV6. It's unimaginative and derivative.
solid choice. My brother has an RS as well. Analogue gauges and that heavier steering feel compared to the Mustang are only two reasons, but enough to make me pick a Focus over a Mustang.
You're not a fan of a porsh? But the front porsh attached to my house is a great place to sit in the shade and wave to the neighbors! When we sit on the back porsh, we can watch the deer! 😂 I'm with you, though. I inexplicably lose just a little bit of respect for someone who fails the correct pronunciation as put forth by Dr. Ferdinand Porsche ("Por-shuh") himself.
i like the 992 gt3 a lot... it feels really good to drive and the screens are not that distracting, but instead are useful. the double wishbone suspension is a great addition and it works for a track and on the street
Like these honest reviews and I agree that most cars nowadays are becoming unncessarily complicated. Think we reached peak performance at around 2015 or so...beyond that things just seem excessive.
As an owner of a 991.1 GT3 with a JRZ suspension / Dundon full exhaust with mini crack pipe. I feel the same way you feel except about the 991. 997 is the best gen. 992 is the best on paper with the motor featuring ITBs and improved suspension. I will place my order for a 992 GT soon.
I’m just glad Porsche is still making cars that are so driver-oriented. Yes, they’re not as ‘raw’ as earlier iterations. But compared to other brands, their cars still (relatively) prioritize the driving experience. And I suspect they could be more profitable by doing it differently, such as how BMW has, chasing more technology, excessive horsepower, and 0-60 times for marketing purposes. But eventually even Porsche will need to capitulate, which we are already seeing with the electrification of the Cayman. Let’s enjoy what’s left while we can.
I drove a 992 GT3 touring, and I found the turn in far form funny or dialed in, the steering vague, the interior a bit strange, and no power in the engine. Only the brakes were amazing. 991 GT2 RS seems to be the sweet spot. If you want a nice GT3, then, buy the 997 4.0 GT3 RS
As someone who’s owned 2 GT3’s (991.2, 992) and 2 panameras (2018, 2021), this dude has no idea what he’s talking about. They don’t drive alike at all. My 992 GT3 is more harsh than my 991.2 GT3 was in every instance except idle, but this is because of particulate filter on exhaust.
Amen. I couldn't agree more. Cars are just too screen & menu heavy now. That's why I keep my 2013 german estate close to me. perfect combo of tech & analogue guages !!!!
It was afriend arranging the deal. It came in to the dealership. That's the deal, either I drive before I purchase or I don't purchase. Not like he's some random guy they don't know.@@kabob21
Can level with him a little bit on this. I personally daily a 2013 Toyota Tundra with the wonderfully powerful and torquey 5.7 V8 and the crewmax cab which is awesome. It is a lower spec, manual seats, no touch screen. I love the simplicity of it and the power. Gets shitty mpg but you expect that. I drove a brand new 2023 that was pretty optioned up early last year for a couple weeks. Big 14" screen, all the sensors, auto start stop, etc. I went back to my old truck and just felt at home. Not bothered by unnecessary stuff. Not an apples to apples here but I totally get what he is saying.
After reading many of the comments it is glaringly apparent that MANY just cannot understand wanting a car that is 'less' than the newest/biggest/fastest/greatest/blah/blah/blah. Simplify and add lightness was said long ego and that still goes for many of us. We dont want all these automatic, electronic asswhiping BS crap......give us the car and just the car and forget the electronic BS
This guy knows what hes talking about although his views on the 992 gt3 are a bit extreme its not a bad car, its still very raw and fun, it just aint as fun as the 991.2. Chris harris said the same thing and he sold his 992 and still drives his 991.2.
Not that I can afford a newer enthusiast car, but I definitely am uninterested in any of the modern stuff. I currently have an '07 328i RWD 6MT with the sport package, and it has no tech options. No screens and it is likely the most simple of the BMWs. My AC doesn't even work anymore, haha. I have no interest in having a screen in my face, fake engine sounds pumped into the cabin, etc. I love just driving it, windows down, and sunroof open. No, it's not a super special car, but it's fun to drive. Too quiet for my liking, at the moment, but at least it still feels good and you can turn off all the nannies easily.
@@markk3453 Yup, I'd take that power bump for sure. By the time my E90 is dead (it just rolled 100k kms) I might be able to afford the newer versions with a B58. It will definitely be a manual. I wouldn't have bought this one if it wasn't manual. It's a joy to drive.
I have a 2018 991.2 T and a 2018 F-150 which was the first year CarPlay was available in each. I now have a theory that the first year CarPlay became available in a car is the best year to get.🤣 Just enough convenience without the rest of the tech clutter.
It sounds like you wanted a street car not a race car so you should’ve just got a regular 911 build a GT three to be a track car and you’re complaining because it drives like a track car
ummmm…. how many miles have u had on a 991.2 Gt3 RS, 992 GT3… and in total? Comparing a 992 GT3 to a Panamera… makes the whole world become a bit more stupid! WOW…. 🤯
🤡🤡🤡 sounds like click bait. You can turn off: -start stop -notifications -screen 992 is perfect combination of both track/ street car. You want a raw track car buy a cup car.. there’s a few cheerleaders here also agreeing because we understand the price points aren’t for everybody. Who complains about double wishbone I. The front suspension. 🤦♂️
Na, my 2 turbos are lonely in my 3 car garage. I deserve it more... and my poor lonely 79' 930 and 03' 996TT. I'll wrap it to match my 957 Transsyberian
I’ve owned a brand new 991.1 GT3, 991.2 GT3 manual, 991.2 GT3 RS, and now a 992 GT3 manual. I don’t disagree about the interior, especially since the 991 had a lower, more mid engined car, dashboard height that gave a much better view of the road. The 992 feels like a sedan in comparison, so I agree with him on that as well as the over complication of displays/screens (for a 911). The part I am fully disagreeing with is the way the car drives and the build quality. The 992’s double wishbone front suspension gives the car heroic levels of turn in and front end grip, yes the wheel is more darty but it transmits so much more feel. The structural rigidity and build quality of the body is noticeably better. The 991.2 feels ok in this regard but the 992 feels like a whole lot more expensive car in it’s solidity, the way the doors close, the tighter panel gaps etc. And the final advantage of the 992 is the engines ITB’s (individual throttle bodies) that give the car so much crisper throttle response at every single part of the powerband. So like any car when it is redesigned, there are some advantages with the prior generation but in my opinion the 992 is absolutely the better car ….especially in terms of performance/rawness which is the reason you buy a Porsche GT car in the first place
Yeah I spent some time in the 992 GT3 and GT3 RS recently at PEC Atlanta, and have test driven a GT3 Touring; a major takeaway I had is the GT3 truly should be a Touring model for road driving. You simply cannot get enough out of the 992 GT3 (and naturally RS) when you’re on the road, yet the GT3 T essentially sets its own expectation of being a “touring” car, not a race car. Take the 992 GT3 out on the track and I’m not sure anyone will be complaining when they’re seconds ahead of the 991, and even further than a 997. Given the complains surrounding road driving, I don’t expect he does or plans to take it around the track. His complaints seem to boil down to, “well it’s too good”. But this is something that’s been said every generation of Porsche - every generation is larger, more refined, more digital…. but faster, quicker, more stable, and built better. Porsche doesn’t have a track record of making worse cars. But, if you want more “visceral” as every enthusiast cries out for, buy the generation that fits your expectations of feel.
@@ClubBlau I understand your sentiment, but if you believe the GT3 should feel like the cup car… I don’t believe you’ve driven a GT3 Cup Car. Also, consider Porsche is a business that sells to its average 911 buyer: a 52 years old man. Their average consumer would be absolutely broken by a Cup Car driven on the streets.
@@iOSAT I did buy the one I want. :) personally I still enjoy the 991 touring more on track than I did my 991 RS or the 992 Gt3. That's me. To each their own of course. Just my opinion.
@@iOSAT sure but I think the average 52-year-old probably doesn’t want a manual only super stiff Porsche. They probably want the comfortable one. So they should keep the pure one pure for the pure driving buyers. Instead, there is this trend where they make every car more water down and mainstream. Keep the GT cars more like race cars. That’s the point. Or at least it used to be.
I believe most car people understand what he means. Sometimes adding too much decreases the feel and “rawness” of the car. Ik some people say the same between the f80 and g80. Even though the g80 has a higher ceiling
I think what he’s explaining is exactly what’s wrong with the auto industry today. New cars are just killing the experience because of chasing numbers. 0-60 times, the last 10/10ths of capability, big horsepower, Nurburgring times, transmission shift speed, etc. I almost hate all these cars. Sure, They’re fast if I get the road space to see what they can do, but I get far less enjoyment when compared to the older analog raw and slower generations. BRING BACK LIGHTWEIGHT ENTHUSIAST CARS
That's what I love about my 2019 Miata RF. Even though the car only has 180HP it's more than enough when the car weighs just over 2300lbs. For a 4 cylinder it revs so smoothly and makes power all the way to redline. The car feels like it wants to be reved out and the best part is that I can actually do that on public roads without losing my license. My Miata is far from the most capable car on the road but the levels are low enough where I can actually play with and explore the car in a fun way without needing to get up to triple digit speeds. My car has an electric steering rack which is a bit numb but every other touch point and input gives you information on what the car is doing. Out right performance is awesome but I'll take a slower and more playful car over out right performance every time.
@@bitmen1296agree Great car but elec rack does suck. 180 Hp is awesome and I tell you I know it is much more fun. I had a car dealer drive my 993 and he has 1000’s of cars and said it was the best driving car he had ever been in.
Cars that talk to you through feel in the seat, vibrations, noise, steering. Overall its about the cars character and quirks, weird handling in certain situations and the true feedback to the driver that makes you fall in love with a car. Oh and a short shift stick with a clutch that only likes to shift above 5k ;)
I agree with everything he stated. One thing I noticed after experiencing the 992 compared to 991.2 was the sound. The 991.2 had this insane induction noise on the inside when you climbed through the rev range that made you almost cringe as you got to 9k. 992, while it sounded nice, was missing that rawness. Also, the 992's auto start stop is insanely annoying every time you get back in the car, you would need to dig through the menus just to turn the damn thing off. Both cars are phenomenal but I prefer the experience of the 991.2.
I thought I was the only one who noticed the lack of interior resonance in the 992. 991.2 just builds and builds all the way until redline in a way that the new one doesn't.
@@SparklingWalrus ok gigachad. Understand that just because someone doesn't like seeing wifi connected, always online appliances doesn't make them stupid
@@EmoDKTsuchiya all I ever hear is people complaining about “too much tech” or “too little tech” in regards to the 992…will you people make up your minds? People will complain about the 992 no matter what
What a baby. This was a 8 minute video of a grown man crying about a car he did seemingly no research on before buying. Please don't bring this guy back.
If you wanna look at it that way, then I get that you are unhappy about it. I think most people who get these types of cars don't usually think that this will be an issue, though. I guess you just expect it to be a sort of way, and I do understand that he was disappointed.
Sometimes, what's new isn't always better. I agree that the guy should had done more research before jumping into a 992 GT3. He could had test drove any other variant of the 992 (C4S, Turbo, GTS, etc) and got an idea on how new Porsche tech and interior is.
As a long-time 911 owner and Porsche-file, I am sick and tired of hearing these dweebs whine about “the tech, the screens”. Just shuddup and drive or sell it to someone who will appreciate it. It’s a Porsche. It’s a brilliant car. It ain’t 1970. Things change.
For me the worst thing (other than the 992 size) is the large non OLED screens at night. meaning if you want to turn the screens all the way dim, it doesn’t quite work. They don't go true black / off. You get that gray white white glow all around the screens. I like driving with dim screens at night. or preferably I like to keep my Porsche and my Tesla separate! Really impossible with a 992. Porsche, we don't want the GT3 to turn into Tesla tech. Please go back to basics next generation.
Iv'e been saying for years now, nothing is as it was and i mean that all around, even the tech these companies put in cars is sloppy, inadequate, and glitchy. Just the fact it even happens with porches on this level is disheartening. Makes ya wonder what enthusiast cars are really left. If any.
You want raw? An event every time you get in it. Then you my friend require a 996.1 GT3. Loved mine and when I went to the 996 GT3RS it was love to the power of 10. Never experienced a more driver focused 'event' in anything before or since. I daily both my GT3 and RS, commuting into London and back and enjoyed every single mile. Best steering of any car ever. Mind you I would still like a new RS!
Don’t have a 997RS but have driven friends later model RS’s (sic) the 996 just feels like the right size. Sure, it’s not as fast but the steering is the best of any car I have ever driven, and it just feel… right.
@@thegrandpumbaa very jealous! We never got the 996 GT3RS in the states. 911s are now very bloated! Dream 996 for me is the GT2 as we can get that atleast in the states
@@DahMexico I drove my friends 996 GT2 20’years or so ago. Great bit of kit, brutally fast made to feel all the quicker by good old fashioned turbo lag. Would like to revisit the experience at some point if anyone fancies lending me theirs for the day!
I agree. I have a manual 991.2 GT3 and bought my wife a 992 GTS manual. The interior of the 992 is a big step down in my opinion. The softness and more disconnected feeling is right. I think in the case of the GTS trim it works bc this is meant to be a less raw car, but the 992 GT3 is not appealing to me for all of these reasons he mentioned. The GT3RS I think might be, but honestly this is now such an aero dominated car that I'm not sure it has appeal to me as a road car.
A good video. People may disagree but reasons were provided. My wife’s new AMG dings every time you open the door to get in. I still can’t figure out why. Is it saying, “Hi”?
Well said, the 992 GT3 interior is a horror story - it could have come out of any german rep mobile. I have owned 20+ Porsche cars and couldn't come at the 992 in fact, also ditched a 992 GT3 RS allocation for a 296 GTB.
The issue is that quite a few hardcore car enthusiasts agree with you, but that's not the general audience I think. How many people in this comment section would love an LSX 454 shitbox with no accessories. Ac, heating, abs, heated seats, and radio be damned. How many non-car enthusiasts would say the same?
Your analogy of LSX is too extreme. A lot people just want the basic creature comforts, we don’t want to bombarded with technology inside the cabin. We don’t want a huge ass tablet inside the cabin like a Tesla. The younger generation might want that, but the guys my age 40-50 years old buying these types of cars don’t want that nonsense. I’d imagine that’s the demographic purchasing these cars not a 20’s year old kid.
Screens are for toddlers. They said Rolex will be out of business in 5 years when the casio digital watch came out. 5 years later anyone wearing a casio digital watch is seen as neanderthal tech and a Rolex is seen as class and craftsmanship. You ever used a screen on a 5 year old car, it's like using a kids ipad, terrible
@@WHDRWN Rolex? Class? Maybe in the world of nouveau riche. I'll respect a guy rockin' a G-Shock a hell of a lot more than some dude flashing a Rolex. Pointless jewelry.
"rockin a g shock" ok clown. Regarldess of your opinion the fact remains that every single car screen is dated, clunky and slow after 2 - 3 years. I never seen an air con switch lag or fail to load.
Sounds like you need a 992 GT3 Cup car. Though you might complain that has too much technology too. Doesn't have anything but a screen so it's probably not raw enough for you either.
100% Spot-On! These electronic Nannie’s make me hate all new cars. Garbage to save me from myself that I didn’t ask for need or want. All manufacturers should make them an option. A safety package. Let the buyer decide.
I know people are giving him grief in the comments, but most of us know what he means. - All the extra unnecessary tech and screens instead of gauges can be a downgrade in your sportscar. I feel disgusted when I see the interior and wall of screens in the new Mustangs and M2.
