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5 Things To Know BEFORE Getting a Soprano Sax 

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The soprano saxophone is not just another sax, it’s a different instrument and should be approached differently than a tenor or alto. I'll show you how to approach the soprano sax in this video.
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@AllenMusicTalk
@AllenMusicTalk 2 года назад
Are you a saxophone player? If so, which one do you play? If not, do you play another instrument?
@dciseemsfun4005
@dciseemsfun4005 2 года назад
I play bari, alto, flute, piccolo, and piano
@emmieashby2421
@emmieashby2421 2 года назад
I play the alto saxophone and piano
@missedparty2834
@missedparty2834 2 года назад
I play alto sax and flute
@pilldillmonew8627
@pilldillmonew8627 2 года назад
I play Alto Sax and I'm learning Piano, but I hope to play even more instruments! 😁
@houstondarden1789
@houstondarden1789 2 года назад
I play the trumpet
@joonatanlass
@joonatanlass 2 года назад
After playing alto for 5 years, I finally tried out soprano, and its safe to say... I wasn't the greatest. It's definitely quite a different approach. After trying for about an hour, I did finally find my sound though. Don't get disencouraged by this video, practice makes perfect!
@saxophone1589
@saxophone1589 2 года назад
Thank you for always cheering me up
@JohnSmith-hs1hn
@JohnSmith-hs1hn 2 года назад
Disencouraged, bro? Beahaha
@wolfthequarrelsome504
@wolfthequarrelsome504 Год назад
Discouraged
@BLAKEEATS1988
@BLAKEEATS1988 Год назад
i played the flute, its much more delicate than this so anyone who played tenor or alto will find soprano very difficult.
@user-om2xs3xn6j
@user-om2xs3xn6j Год назад
It's probably closer to clarinet
@MrBubbapappa
@MrBubbapappa 2 года назад
Thank you. I've played soprano for a long time as well as clarinet and alto. It's the instrument I feel most comfortable on. I agree with all your comments, but I do like to play bright and harsh sounding at times
@buckmcallister119
@buckmcallister119 3 месяца назад
As an old tenor and baritone player these are excellent guides. Thoughtfullness aaaaah
@ulrichroesch9114
@ulrichroesch9114 2 года назад
It's always refreshing to hear from someone who hard to work hard at a musical instrument to hone their talents......a winner, everytime
@mylifeinhouston
@mylifeinhouston Год назад
Got my first soprano saxophone yesterday…it made me feel like my whole life was a lie…lol. I’ve always played alto…I can barely tune this new horn. So glad I found this video. I feel so much better 😅
@AllenMusicTalk
@AllenMusicTalk Год назад
Lol yes, you’ll get the hang of it, it just takes time!
@lolgod1695
@lolgod1695 2 года назад
This was super helpful and well made! You earned a new subscriber
@pault9544
@pault9544 2 года назад
I play clarinet. I've always been interested in trying soprano sax just simply coz it looks like a cool-looking clarinet to me lol. Even though they're not from the same family.
@iceyplayz3388
@iceyplayz3388 2 года назад
They’re both woodwinds.
@pault9544
@pault9544 2 года назад
@@iceyplayz3388 you're right. I meant specifically though it's not a part of the clarinet family. There are a line of instruments (bass clarinet, soprano clarinet, ect) within that specific family.
@iceyplayz3388
@iceyplayz3388 2 года назад
@@pault9544 ahh I get what you’re saying.
@richardstover8282
@richardstover8282 2 года назад
I began playing a curved vintage soprano sax at seven years of age. I majored in clarinet in college. In the late 90’s, I bought a Yamaha straight soprano sax to play in a saxophone quartet. It was a good fit for me and it may be for you as well. It’s still my go to instrument.
@sebastiandominguezflores4183
@sebastiandominguezflores4183 2 года назад
thanks man, I'm studing alto at college and I love the soprano sound, even though I know its a whole different sax your tips made aware of why is it different, and willing to try :)
@rkeithpyle8988
@rkeithpyle8988 2 года назад
Great tips man. I've played Alto forever- 40+years, got a Sop last year, your right, totally different instrument. What lured me in was Sidney Bechet recordings, that dixie/ jazz/blues sound. I've also found that the right mouthpiece has helped tremendously. My advice to new soprano players is to get a easy blowing mpc to start,like a Rico metal lite or similar. ✌️🤟🎷
@nickm8134
@nickm8134 Год назад
Thank you for this - very useful and clearly presented. I play mostly alto, but I am also working on soprano technique as well and they are very different instruments for sure.
@uhhhsure2055
@uhhhsure2055 Год назад
Never really had much interest in the sax until watching this. Thanks for enlightening me on how cool it is
@alanhirayama4592
@alanhirayama4592 2 года назад
All very solid suggestions! My soprano is a vintage purple-logo YSS-62, and when paired with the Rousseau Studio Jazz 7 mpc, it plays great! The approach is definitely different compared to the alto and tenor.
@retiredtravazapper2827
@retiredtravazapper2827 2 года назад
I played flute for almost 3 years now and i’m searching some new wind instruments that are “close” to it, the soprano sax is my favorite by now, i will surly give it a try !
@sgry
@sgry 9 месяцев назад
Thinking about buying a nice yanagisawa because some time ago I had the luck to play it for a year. Very good intonation and sweet sound as well. Like your video very much and your sound is very nice also. Thank you very much.
@flintwestwood3596
@flintwestwood3596 2 года назад
This is great. Thanks for making this.
@AllenMusicTalk
@AllenMusicTalk 2 года назад
Any time!
@SaxSon
@SaxSon Год назад
"So you're not squeezing at all; you're just holding it in place and you need to get used to this new shape." This was SO SO useful! When I started soprano I just defaulted to biting and squeezing the mouthpiece and reed and I was throttling every single note. Thanks so much for this advice!!
@antonioespecializados9586
@antonioespecializados9586 9 месяцев назад
Great info!
@HelloKittyNYC7
@HelloKittyNYC7 11 месяцев назад
I played clarinet many years ago, and was considering either picking it back up, or learning soprano saxophone to do something new. Might just stick with refreshing on clarinet, and see where to go from there--but I definitely love the sound of the soprano sax!😊
@smoothvelvetsinger
@smoothvelvetsinger Год назад
You're channel is very good. And your calm way of explaining things is very appealing🤗
@AllenMusicTalk
@AllenMusicTalk Год назад
Thanks so much!
@48jerrybiker
@48jerrybiker Год назад
Really good information. I have played the clarinet for several years but have wanted to try out the Soprano Sax. Definitely planning to purchase one soon.
@ambroosverbeke3757
@ambroosverbeke3757 10 месяцев назад
Same for me man
@yankeetango
@yankeetango 8 месяцев назад
Great stuff. I came here to learn more about this instrument after hearing Branford Marsalis play it along with Sting.
@eugeniod.9316
@eugeniod.9316 Год назад
Many many thanks Nathan! Your videos are helping me a lot getting started with the sax! I am looking for good music, but I am not a musician and I sometimes have difficulties distinguishing the soprano from the alto. Could you please post a playlist or a list of albums/tracks that are played with soprano only or most? (I use Apple Music) I would totally love to start with the great Grover Washington Jr. like you suggested.
@howling_at_the_moon1
@howling_at_the_moon1 Год назад
I found the sound when you use a Mic from just playing without differ so much. When using a Mic the soprano has that soft velvet like Tone. Your so right about Grover Washington. Such a loss. Not many kn here teach Soprano so keep up your excellent work my friend. Merry Christmas from Wales In UK
@tperry5839
@tperry5839 Год назад
Awesome bro
@Supraman217
@Supraman217 Год назад
Excellent!!!!
@namboy2233
@namboy2233 2 года назад
Thanx. Great video. I play Alto, tenor and clarinet. Picked up soprano recently and enjoyed learning a new instrument. But I need to improve my intonation and sound quality (I sound honky). Got to practice more, I know!
@docsax7769
@docsax7769 Год назад
Great tips
@lakshverma333
@lakshverma333 2 года назад
Great video !
@AllenMusicTalk
@AllenMusicTalk 2 года назад
Thanks!
@RileySFPcDestiny
@RileySFPcDestiny 2 года назад
I wanna try all saxes at some point, played alto for beginning band but mained tenor and really feel at home on bari Would love to try bass but it’s sooo expensive so I’d be down to try soprano potentially Alto isn’t really my thing, just not a fan of that range but soprano always sounds so cool :)
@dr.chrisketo7193
@dr.chrisketo7193 6 месяцев назад
Super! Danke!
@Jaujau933
@Jaujau933 7 месяцев назад
Good vid 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻😎
@corymiller2011
@corymiller2011 Год назад
Great vid
@Dmoll
@Dmoll Год назад
I played oboe for 9 years before switching to sax midway through. Bought a soprano 2 years ago, it was like second nature to me! Just bought a Selmer Series II today, can't wait for the upgrade to arrive.
@cmw12
@cmw12 Год назад
I was wondering if it was similar to the oboe.
@Dmoll
@Dmoll Год назад
@@cmw12 in many ways it is! The only thing really different is the embouchure. I must say it sounds better than oboe by a long way!
@cmw12
@cmw12 Год назад
@@Dmoll Agree to disagree on that last statement. Go listen to Albrecht Mayer.
@Dmoll
@Dmoll Год назад
@@cmw12 I have, it's just personal preference :)
@LilHaseProductions
@LilHaseProductions Год назад
John Coltrane is great too. OP, can you listen to the ending soprax solo on the ending of one of the best fusion albums of all time. It's called "Out-Bloody Rageous - Soft Machine". Released in 1970. The soprax solo starts at around 11:05 in that song. Absolute genius piece and one of the smoothest solos I've ever heard. Reason I bought the instrument!
@soundofjoybrown
@soundofjoybrown 2 месяца назад
Thanks. I just started and from what you say I am blowing too hard. Thanks for the tips. I am going to get your beginner course if i can find it
@robstevens9590
@robstevens9590 2 года назад
Thanks for this video. Good tips about intonation. I have been playing alto for years, but recently bought a soprano sax. I opted for the curved model. Although it doesn't look as cool as the straight soprano, the posture problem is solved, it is easier to carry (especially on a plane) and you can hear yourself better.
@r.rajabally1865
@r.rajabally1865 6 месяцев назад
Hi! New to the sax world here. What is the difference between the curved and straight models, is it just about "looking cool" ???? What about the sound?
@robstevens9590
@robstevens9590 6 месяцев назад
@@r.rajabally1865 The sound is pretty much the same. The mouthpiece and reed (as well as the brand and quality of the sax) will make more of a difference than the shape. But when playing the curved soprano the player hears his sound much clearer. The straight soprano projects forward a little more.
@r.rajabally1865
@r.rajabally1865 6 месяцев назад
Thanks, @@robstevens9590
@dmitry.gorevoy
@dmitry.gorevoy 2 года назад
Grover sounds great!
@ArianVlog
@ArianVlog Год назад
Thanks
@thewarhenk
@thewarhenk 2 месяца назад
@Allen, I agree that it’s a fine video; at about 2:15, when talking about posture with a straight neck, you say that your head will have to come forward, but you’re head is pointing down. I’ve heard Joe G at Soprano Planet say that’s where he aims his airstream, but to my eye, you state the opposite of what you’re actually doing. Thanks!
@waltlabog3533
@waltlabog3533 2 года назад
Thank you for the TIP
@AllenMusicTalk
@AllenMusicTalk 2 года назад
Any time!
@shirleyfrancis4515
@shirleyfrancis4515 2 года назад
I tried several models and found the Muriat semi-curved the easiest to blow, keys easy to reach and tuning great.
@ekhoromeo
@ekhoromeo 9 месяцев назад
i have always. loved the sound of the sax...Especially the soprano!..My question is (is it very difficult to learn how to play?...just a little bit?
@tonylopez5821
@tonylopez5821 6 месяцев назад
I stopped playing three years ago and missed playing. So when I got back into it, man it was atrocious. Had to reinvent my playing. The hard part was finding out my embouchure. I played along yesterday on some Christmas back tracks, it was depressing. After a few tries, my body started to adjust. Second time through it was much better. My chops were getting tired, so I quit for the day. I might have practiced too long. I will rest today and allow my chops to heal. In the meantime, your advice was well taken. Thanks.
@BKrystall
@BKrystall 2 года назад
I play on a vintage curved soprano saxophone. It’s very good and I’m able to play it in tune. It’s better than the straight one. Sometimes I can play the altissimo.
@jazldazl9193
@jazldazl9193 Год назад
I play on a 1922 curved soprano Buescher, that cost $600 and a couple of pads. The left pinky ergs are bad and it is keyed to Eb but has excellent intonation and a rich, powerful tone. I like to buy old vintage saxes and do them up but their repair can be tricky and profitable Be aware there can be significant value in mouthpieces too.
@chillten25
@chillten25 Год назад
Im a tenor player and im considering getting a soprano, thank you so much for this
@AllenMusicTalk
@AllenMusicTalk Год назад
Any time!
@marcusdickerson3016
@marcusdickerson3016 Год назад
Youshould review the new Dickerson Resonator Ligature for soprano sax from Reverb & eba - very unique
@RosssRoyce
@RosssRoyce 2 месяца назад
Thanks so much for your video, priceless advises! I have a straight one, find it very smooth compared to my oboe but feels soooo heavy 😝. What is your opinion pls: in the film “Jean Michel Basquiat - Downtown 81” he is waving something like a VERY THIN soprano. Is it a soprano or something called differently? If you Google the name,e of the film you’ll see the instrument on the poster right away. Cheers!
@420catson
@420catson Год назад
i played tenor in middle school, since then ive picked up piano and guitar but wanna get back into sax and i love the sweet sound of the soprano, i understand it might not be the best pick for basically a complete beginner as i havent played sax in over 6 years but id rather buy a soprano than buy a tenor or an alto and then down the line buy a soprano. im starting to take music more seriously i truly believe its my calling i appreciate the video man 🙏
@justinhamilton8795
@justinhamilton8795 Год назад
Wow Beautiful 🎉Me too🎵
@nickdryad
@nickdryad Год назад
Great introduction. I thought the oboe was hard to play in tune.
@andrewclifton9772
@andrewclifton9772 Год назад
I'm retired now and I am thinking about taking up an instrument. I did piano lessons when I was a teenager and my mother was (as always) right - she said I would regret it if I did not keep it up. So some of that basic musical theory is still there - how do you rate my chances with a soprano sax? Or is that too ambitious? I like its sound.
@patrick2879
@patrick2879 2 года назад
Because its so hard to get in tune at our school only the allstate member can play it.
@regend762
@regend762 2 года назад
Woodshed long tones.
@Qambodia-
@Qambodia- 2 года назад
Our band is playing a song that actually calls for the soprano sax to hit an altissimo A
@LovethGodwin-wg2gt
@LovethGodwin-wg2gt 29 дней назад
Between alto sax and soprano sax, which one is easier? Coz i realize that many people under the comment section plays the alto,so what's the difference between a alto sax and a soprano sax thanks.
@damianbiondo812
@damianbiondo812 4 месяца назад
Listen to more Grover! BEST TIP EVER!!!!
@marcushardy7873
@marcushardy7873 2 месяца назад
1998 - I mastered alto sax for 25 years. 2015 - I mastered tenor sax for 9 years. 2015 - I mastered soprano sax after two months with the tenor.
@regend762
@regend762 2 года назад
Fam! Hear me out. I first learned how to play clarinet for a few years. Next I picked up alto, tenor, and then bari sax while in high school concert and jazz bands. Bundy II models were always reliable and trustworthy but I would like to learn to play soprano sax. What does the hive mind say about not so beginner but kinda intermediate soprano saxes out in the market place? Allora seems to be the go to online but would a Jean Paul be equivalent to a Bundy II? As a point of reference, I am NOT a fan of smooth Jazz or white linen parties. I'm into Ska, Reggae, Be-Bop, Hard-Bop, Progressive Jazz & Rock, Funk & Soul, and Punk Rock. Intentions are to replace muted trumpet parts with my choice of playing. I know it's not the same exact sounds but emotionally I think a soprano can hit the same dramatics as a muted trumpet. Picture Chet Baker singing and playing a soprano instead?
@harrybeau1712
@harrybeau1712 Год назад
Thank you for your informative presentation. I've been learning clarinet for just over a year, but I'd like to have a go at soprano sax. I've only managed to play using a 2.0 reed. How do you rate my chances of getting on with the sax?
@AllenMusicTalk
@AllenMusicTalk Год назад
Hi Harry, you’ll probably find saxophone to be easier for you than clarinet, at least in the beginning. It’s fast to get started.
@Yihao.
@Yihao. 2 года назад
Hey I Love High Note That's Why I Actually think Pf Playing The Piccolo Flute
@raccondolphin
@raccondolphin 2 года назад
U should have a lot more subs
@AllenMusicTalk
@AllenMusicTalk 2 года назад
Thanks! Hopefully I get there soon
@evanandtylerleung4870
@evanandtylerleung4870 Год назад
I really want a soprano😊
@M43STR0_dnb
@M43STR0_dnb 2 года назад
I play the bass guitar but I’ve been listening to some Kenny g and really love the way the soprano sounds. Would it be a good idea to start playing it? I’ve never played a reed instrument, but I really want to play something else that nobody I know plays.
@AllenMusicTalk
@AllenMusicTalk 2 года назад
Yeah! If you have some experience with music already, you should be able to handle the transition without too much trouble.
@jazldazl9193
@jazldazl9193 Год назад
It is the second most challenging sax to play after sopranino. Better start on alto tenor
@asquare9316
@asquare9316 Год назад
How come no one mentions bari when discussing soprano? Joe Temperley and I both play ( or in the case of Joe, sadly, played) bari and soprano.
@jacksonkeung23
@jacksonkeung23 11 месяцев назад
Thanks! What about from clarinet to soprano sax?
@HelloKittyNYC7
@HelloKittyNYC7 11 месяцев назад
I was just wondering the same thing!!😅 There are some really pretty soprano saxophones...it's definitely tempting!😊
@theglauber
@theglauber Год назад
Thank you! Great video. Neck strap or no neck strap? If yes, do you have recommendation of a good one for soprano?
@AllenMusicTalk
@AllenMusicTalk Год назад
I would use a neck strap if I’m using a curved neck on my soprano. I don’t have a recommendation, but brands will usually label neck straps that are the right size for soprano.
@theglauber
@theglauber Год назад
@@AllenMusicTalk thank you. Word in the street is Santa will bring a soprano this year!
@theglauber
@theglauber Год назад
Ouch, i agree. I've been trying both ways, but I'll have to bulk up a little before i can play soprano comfortably without a strap for more than five minutes.
@MrPresidentVR
@MrPresidentVR Год назад
Thanks! But do they have the same fingerings?
@jazldazl9193
@jazldazl9193 Год назад
Yep all saxes the same and flute too
@jobless2852
@jobless2852 2 года назад
1:27 laughs in recitation and volcanic ash😂
@mickey533
@mickey533 2 года назад
All good points. 6th thing you need to know You will seldom get called to play a soprano gig... Cheers
@AllenMusicTalk
@AllenMusicTalk 2 года назад
Haha very true 😅
@thegamingtaco6283
@thegamingtaco6283 Год назад
do you have any tips for getting low notes out on soparno, I've been having some trouble especially with the lower octave E and D
@jazldazl9193
@jazldazl9193 Год назад
May be the horn .See a good tech
@waltlock8805
@waltlock8805 2 года назад
Came here from a vid on Ukraine invasion... Algorithm be weird today. Still, nice video :)
@paxwallace8324
@paxwallace8324 8 месяцев назад
Branford, Steve Lacy
@michaelashbourne587
@michaelashbourne587 2 года назад
Well done Nathan , Mike from church.
@AllenMusicTalk
@AllenMusicTalk 2 года назад
Hi Mike, thank you!
@nickferrari413
@nickferrari413 2 года назад
Is the soprano saxophone a good first instrument to learn (can’t read music)
@AllenMusicTalk
@AllenMusicTalk Год назад
Hey, I’d recommend learning piano first (and learning to read music). Learning other instruments will become easy for you after that.
@321NERRAD
@321NERRAD Год назад
What's the grover Washington Jr riff you played, thanks
@AllenMusicTalk
@AllenMusicTalk Год назад
Hey, that song is called “East River Drive”, Grover plays that riff during the head of the song.
@Saxtoo
@Saxtoo Год назад
Branford👌🇺🇸 Grover👌🇺🇸 Courtney Pine👌👌🇬🇧
@spencerparker8406
@spencerparker8406 2 года назад
Allto saxophone is my favorite instrument who needs the alto
@millennial8441
@millennial8441 5 месяцев назад
The sound is similar to the oboe.
@Denboner
@Denboner Год назад
3:10 what song is this
@clairethemusician968
@clairethemusician968 8 месяцев назад
4:03 You look like Coltrane in that clip
@BraydenDarrell
@BraydenDarrell 2 года назад
This was just randomly in my recommended
@bella82297
@bella82297 2 года назад
hey i am a flute player and i want to play the saxophone, which one would you recommend i play?
@Dmoll
@Dmoll Год назад
I think a lot of people start out on alto and go from there (a popular first model is the Yamaha 280) but I would recommend trying out different types of saxes and going from there
@jazldazl9193
@jazldazl9193 Год назад
Embouchure development is much easier on alto or tenor. You can start on sop but the neighbors may start losing cats and dogs
@k.deathh455
@k.deathh455 2 года назад
As an Alto sax player, I would rather try an alto clarinet
@tranhuong9695
@tranhuong9695 Год назад
It was so wholesome how the episode ended and then seeing the restaurant was closed was like someone threw me a bucket of cold watermelon
@saxophone1589
@saxophone1589 2 года назад
나는 테너색소폰 연주자입니다 당신의 놀라운 팁에 경의를 표합니다
@regend762
@regend762 2 года назад
Anyong!
@saxophone1589
@saxophone1589 2 года назад
The exercises will be posted every Monday and Thursday evening
@jennaledbetter719
@jennaledbetter719 2 года назад
All about when I get a soprano sax and never about why I anyone would want a soprano sax.
@watcherwlc53
@watcherwlc53 Год назад
Would the cleaning swab for a clarinet do?
@AllenMusicTalk
@AllenMusicTalk Год назад
I’ve never tried it, so I can’t say for sure
@jazldazl9193
@jazldazl9193 Год назад
Most important not to get stuck! I use a long cord so I can retrieve it if it is caught
@moabmaulervevo
@moabmaulervevo 2 года назад
I've heard that Kenny G is also a great player to replicate
@oluwaseunalolanle3119
@oluwaseunalolanle3119 5 месяцев назад
Please could you write out the name of the saxophonist you said you listen to? I have been searching for his name... I'll greatly appreciate this.
@theuncleted3301
@theuncleted3301 3 месяца назад
Grover Washington Jr.
@Dany_Sax
@Dany_Sax 11 месяцев назад
😀👍
@favourmoronu2090
@favourmoronu2090 2 года назад
after watching now i'm scared to get a soprano sax, and i love kenny g sounds its difficult ;(
@AllenMusicTalk
@AllenMusicTalk 2 года назад
Don’t be afraid! It just takes some practice to get used to. You can do it!
@patrick2879
@patrick2879 2 года назад
kenny g is a forbidden name in jazz
@jonnobloggs1139
@jonnobloggs1139 2 года назад
Kenny G's bank balance makes every jazz snob green with envy !!
@asquare9316
@asquare9316 Год назад
one additional tip: hold your head up so you don't disrupt your airflow
@manoloramirez6456
@manoloramirez6456 2 года назад
What reed do you use what number
@AllenMusicTalk
@AllenMusicTalk 2 года назад
Hey Manolo I use these reeds: amzn.to/37cAzrv
@manoloramirez6456
@manoloramirez6456 2 года назад
@@AllenMusicTalk thank you
@notanedgysnipermain4977
@notanedgysnipermain4977 2 года назад
Frozone
@thrax1822
@thrax1822 2 года назад
What abt bari way to leave us out
@AllenMusicTalk
@AllenMusicTalk 2 года назад
Hey Tyler, I’d love to make a bari video when I get a bari some day!
@shadowslayer6438
@shadowslayer6438 2 года назад
P
@isaaconi56
@isaaconi56 2 года назад
Can you talk on a using a curved?
@AllenMusicTalk
@AllenMusicTalk 2 года назад
Hey! Do you mean using a curved neck? Or a curved soprano sax?
@andreug1329
@andreug1329 2 года назад
i dont know why i am watching this, i play the trumpet xd
@regend762
@regend762 2 года назад
Because soprano sax can't substitute a muted trumpet but can draw the same emotions and dramatics.
@Headhunter_212
@Headhunter_212 6 месяцев назад
Be pearled to lose friends Retain two lawyers Matrimonial Landlord-Tenant😊.
@Koudey
@Koudey Год назад
I thought this video would be about things to consider before BUYING the instrument, not playing. Kinda misleading title, no?
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