The "deduction" made about the death in the first story is so absurd it harkens back to the old radio comedy The Bickersons, when Blanche accuses her husband John of killing her pet cat. "Cats have been known to commit suicide, Blanche." "They don't hang themselves!"
Any story about the death of a small child deeply saddens me. As a mother and now grandmother of three, I just can't fathom the incredible amount of pain that the family had to experience, all because of the actions of these pathetic excuses for human beings.I hope the persons responsible are found and brought to justice - and may they get exactly what they deserve for all the sick things that they have done.
@@o4oreo11 Nobody is saying that, children are much more susceptible targets because they’re usually gullible, weak or easily overpowered, they have smaller bodies compared to adults, as such they are typically easier to dispose of for these people, that and some other weaknesses are usually why crimes against children are a much more universally agreeable atrocity, in some situations they’re as helpless as a small dog or animal against adults, especially adult men with any sort of muscle mass. I’m saying this from an analytic point of view to prove a point.
I did more research on the first case and if you read transcripts of the texts the fiancé sent, there were some threats like “u better have an excuse” and “u have no idea”. The fiancé, Sam also testified that the security guard was present when he broke the lock, but the guard denied this and said he never left his station in the lobby. Sam also waited an hour to call the police when he arrived. And in 2017, Ellen’s body was reported to have bruises all over her body still in the healing stage and a fingernail mark on her neck with more bruising. Ellen’s parents also said weeks before her death she was withdrawn and quiet and whenever they tried to make plans, she would always respond with “I need to check with Sam” or something similar to that. It’s odd how Sam’s story doesn’t add up, not to mention that his first call at the time wasn’t to 911. He called his dad and then later his uncle, who is an attorney, and finally 911. And from what Ellen’s parents reported and the bruising and the threatening texts, I think Sam was abusing her. The night guard that was supposedly with Sam when he entered also noted that Sam, who reportedly came back from the gym, was wearing boots and not sneakers or running shoes, if that’s any value. Another inconsistency in Sam’s story was that he found her propped up against the kitchen cabinets, meaning she was sitting up, except for the fact that she has a dried bloodstain running HORIZONTALLY, from her nostril to her ear. That would mean Ellen stabbed herself 20 times and left the knife in her and moved her body, someone else killed her and moved her body, or the bloodstream managed to defy gravity.
Also, another possibility of Sam’s DNA not being found on the weapon or in a struggle could be because the investigators didn’t conduct a luminol test, which would show evidence of there being a clean up. Basically they mix luminol with hydrogen peroxide to produce a reaction that gives off a blue light. This is used to show if chemicals that can be used to clean up blood were present, such as bleach or common household supplies. The fact that the police found her like this with no other suspects other than the fiancé is suspicious. Either Sam has powerful ties and can cover this up or the police have something to hide. Whatever it is, it runs deep and reeks of corruption or negligence.
That first case is bs. Her fiancee was prime suspect. No one is going to stab them self 20x. He most likely did it before he left to work out. That is a personal attack and the perp was known. Bought off detectives.
how do you know that a cop wasent the killer, maybe she saw something she wasent supposed at work or something and was silenced, i bet there was another persons dna there, and that kinda attack the attacker often has cuts and leaves behind evidence, i dont think he was rich or power full enough to pay off cops to cover up a murder only thing does he have connections to the mafia or something
@@redred222 Good point. I was going by how suspicious the fiancee seemed to be. That attack was done by someone who hated her. Her neck was savaged and that seems like someone wanted to silence her.
@@NightOwl701 I did more research on the case and if you read transcripts of the texts the fiancé sent, there were some threats like “u better have an excuse” and “u have no idea”. The fiancé, Sam also testified that the security guard was present when he broke the lock, but the guard denied this and said he never left his station in the lobby. Sam also waited an hour to call the police when he arrived. And in 2017, Ellen’s body was reported to have bruises all over her body still in the healing stage and a fingernail mark on her neck with more bruising. Ellen’s parents also said weeks before her death she was withdrawn and quiet and whenever they tried to make plans, she would always respond with “I need to check with Sam” or something similar to that. It’s odd how Sam’s story doesn’t add up, not to mention that his first call at the time wasn’t to 911. He called his dad and then later his uncle, who is an attorney, and finally 911. And from what Ellen’s parents reported and the bruising and the threatening texts, I think Sam was abusing her. The night guard that was supposedly with Sam when he entered also noted that Sam, who reportedly came back from the gym, was wearing boots and not sneakers or running shoes, if that’s any value. Another inconsistency in Sam’s story was that he found her propped up against the kitchen cabinets, meaning she was sitting up, except for the fact that she has a dried bloodstain running HORIZONTALLY, from her nostril to her ear. That would mean Ellen stabbed herself 20 times and left the knife in her and moved her body, someone else killed her and moved her body, or the bloodstream managed to defy gravity.
@@NightOwl701 Also, another possibility of Sam’s DNA not being found on the weapon or in a struggle could be because the investigators didn’t conduct a luminol test, which would show evidence of there being a clean up. Basically they mix luminol with hydrogen peroxide to produce a reaction that gives off a blue light. This is used to show if chemicals that can be used to clean up blood were present, such as bleach or common household supplies. The fact that the police found her like this with no other suspects other than the fiancé is suspicious. Either Sam has powerful ties and can cover this up or the police have something to hide. Whatever it is, it runs deep and reeks of corruption or negligence.
He probably wanted the security officer there to "find" her murdered body with him. The fiance "fnding" the body alone is more suspicious. This is a common tactic among murderers. I'm sure he locked the door on his way out to the gym after killing her.
The first story was so obvious!! She was killed by the boyfriend thats why seeing her (knowing she's dead/it's obvious) he goes to try and "save her" therefore thats why he gets away with his DNA being there. Legit case closed!
@@erino2834 @Erin O I don't necessarily agree with the OP, but it could be pretty easily chalked up to disinterest on behalf of the police on putting forth any extra effort due to what they may have viewed as an overly complex case. This could have been driven by anything from some type of bias to being bogged down with an already overburdened case load. Whether people would like to admit it or not, it does happen. If you need evidence to support what I've said, just look at the MMIW phenomenon. In some pockets of the population, it happens more frequently than to others, but it does happen. Just not always under the same "rationale". That said, I'd have to know many more details about the layout of the home, the scene itself and the people involved before I'd hang the blame on the fiancee. It would have been obvious to have checked with the gym to see when he would have arrived/departed and since it appears that they did at least give the case a cursory examination, we can probably assume that they at least did that much. I am curious to know if they checked for common accessibility points, such as maintenance access, if they had checked out the security guard, etc. There was a recent case in which the security guard let himself into a woman's apartment in the small hours of the morning after seeing her return intoxicated from a bar, leaving with her body stashed a garbage bag, if memory serves. There have been a few cases where access points like the attic or walkways were shared by all of the apartments on the same floor, allowing perpetrators to gain access to a particular unit in that way. It also very well could have been a neighbor. One of the ones that 'didn't hear anything'. They may have simply walked in or been let in, locking the door behind them when they fled. Unless I missed that part, I don't recall hearing that the door couldn't be locked before it was shut, so that would have been a reasonable element to consider. Of course none of the other neighbors would have heard a thing if she was ambushed while facing away from the attacker and the first knife wound was severe enough, because it likely would have been one of the wounds to the back of her neck. A neighbor also would have known of the couple's schedule, had enough exposure to the woman to develop an unhealthy obsession or an issue that they couldn't get past, knew of the exact level of noise that could be made without alarming anyone else, knew the layouts of the apartments and so much more. So if the police did indeed check that the fiancee was where he said that he was with the time of death having occurred after he had obviously already been gone, it would stand to reason that if may have been a neighbor or someone that frequently visited a neighbor. We never really know who may have taken an interest in us and if those people are psychology healthy or not. Someone could feasibly hire a private detective to gain 'insider information' one another individual, under the guise of something entirely different. Regardless of who it was, it's evident to me that someone knew their daily routine, if it was not the fiancee. Someone that had some sort of unhealthy interest in that poor lady, even if it was created by nothing more than a perceived slight that turned became an outright deliberate personal attack in that person's mind. It would tend to make me wonder if she perhaps had enraged a parent of one of her students, maybe asking questions about home life as some teachers tend to do when they see children that appear to be suffering from neglect. Seems to me that if it had been the fiancee, unless he left and quietly snuck back in, that there would have been a verbal disturbance of some kind. I could speculate all day, but the reality is that the one fact that we can all agree on is that she absolutely did not kill herself and that it's downright asinine, not to mention terribly cruel, to have pushed for a finding that deviated from what the examiner (and everyone else, frankly) could plainly see was evidenced as being homicide.
Gosh that second story of the kid was heartbreaking enough but I somehow missed his age at the beginning. When I heard that he was only 3 at the end my heart shattered. I have a 3 year old. The thought of someone hurting me is both severely depressing and also rage inducing. Poor baby.
Bro I was like wait what? The girl said she saw him going to some swings or something. I'm like he's 3? Wondering around alone? They had a bunch of kids ever heard of the buddy system?
@Kristine Johnson right? Or even just not leaving a 3 year old alone? I'd never be able to do that, my kid is prone to running. Plus there are so many sketchy people nowadays that even now that he's older and doesn't run I'm not comfortable leaving him outside.
@@LadyKris3345unfortunately in tighter knit smaller communities people typically trust their neighbors and their kids. Back then it wasn’t unheard of that kids are out all day until the street lights came on playing with their fellow neighbor kids. I heard in the late 80s they had to literally air a commercial at 10 pm asking if parents knew where their children were.
They were totally hiding something that needs to be found out in the first case. How they thought they could ever get people to believe the cause of death that they tried to label this case with was so stupid.
@@spider-mancantsee5875 Exactly!! How was being at the gym during a horrifying snow storm a good alibi? Was that even open? Has anyone seen him there or were there any surveillance cameras proving he was there the entire time it was happening? Was the hour of death clear enough to clear him, or was it something along the lines of "she might have died somewhere between half an hour or 6 hours ago"? Was there enough time to kill her, clean up and go to the gym as to have an alibi? He could've locked the door from the inside and got out from a window... It's not that impossible. Especially with the insane amount of stabs. That's personal. Being stabbed, also a personal murder. Adding more to that case, most of murders are committed by a partner/spouse and it's rare that a complete stranger does it.
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There was a detective story I heard of a murder that ended, with the detective leaving the city because it turns out the murderer was the police chief son, I wonder if this woman is one of his victims. (The detective told the story anonymously, he wasn't able to uncover murderer for obvious reasons).
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The third story sounds like an episode straight out of who the bleep did I marry. You could be with someone for decades and just not know how truly evil they are. I believe the wife didn’t know
There's no way that the neighbors weren't the ones who killed Matthew. Murders are usually committed by someone the victim knows this goes double for children.
In regards to the first cases, the reason I think the cops covered up the case was because they know the fiancé, a news reporter, did it and now they have leverage if ever they need a less than stellar story to disappear.
This is every mother’s worst fear. What gives these evil men the right, the pain that they cause long after the crime they committed is felt forever ♾ for the family.
Isn’t it possible the killer search suicide on her computer 🤦🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️. I would be looking at the building staff. Could get in & out of a deadbolt or from the window. The snow covered the footprints 👣. No way she did this to herself smh
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I don't understand why the Ice cream man sent the small child away. I did something just like that as a kid and when the man saw a small child without money, he was so upset seeing a little kid out all by herself he gave me a free Ice cream bar and found my parents and asked them what the hell was wrong with them.
how can they look at 20 stab wounds and go “yep, this was suicide.” and then say “oh yeah we looked at her search history and, despite this being horrific and painful, she looked up how to k*ll yourself painlessly.” oof, this was a murder through and through. I have no idea how they passed this off any other way.
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On the first case: A lot of people keep saying the boyfriend being the top suspect, but I have a bunch of questions for him being the killer. For one, wouldn't his story fall apart when the Site Manager who went with him reports a different series of events? I imagined they checked to make sure the dude actually had his key on him. Secondly, and this is the most important point: why would the police do this much obvious and blatant coverup for this one random dude? You don't do this kinda stuff unless someone with significant weight in the community pulls strings for this random TV dude? Sure, TV's big, but he seems to be a relative small fry. There's needs to be more connections if we are seriously considering him as the murderer.
I've read reports that the guard denied he was with Sam when he entered the apartment, said he never left his post. The guard also said Sam had on boots not sneakers when he supposedly was at the gym. Sam called his family and attorney uncle before calling 911. They were with him at the apartment when detectives first arrived at the scene. The uncle was a high profile attorney who is now a judge. Read he had a relative somewhat high rank in the police department. Maybe it just wasn't reported that Sam searched the apartment, but if I was in a similar situation, realizing the door was locked from the inside with someone stabbed so many times, I'd be wondering if the killer was still in the apartment. 911 would be my first call, not family.
As you keep talking about the first case I find myself repeatedly Asking, “ why are we even and still debating the suicide angle!” Lol it’s that ridiculous, people are so dumb and or corrupt. She obviously didn’t stab herself twenty freaking times plus behind her neck. I guess a lot of people Really do lack common sense
The guy who died in his garage with 3 victims in his trunk. I find it hard to wrap my mind around so many things. If his wife really knew nothing? If she truly did not, how aweful she must have felt when she actually did learn who he really was. But the thing that troubles me the most is what could this monster have said done or threatened to make that married couple not want to put him in prison. As a married man I cannot imagine what that missing piece could be? Lastly I hope no other man so evil ever figures it out!
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Can someone really be in a state to stab themselves over 20 times though?! I feel like a mind alone couldn't do that, like there would have to be some heavy chemical included?
Good call. There was another recent murder that was committed by the guard himself. I was personally thinking more along the lines of one of the neighbors that 'heard nothing' because if you live next to someone long enough you can get to know their patterns pretty well, but it very well could have been the security guard. A lot of people think it was the fiancee. I don't agree. I think it was someone that was waiting for their opportunity, saw it and took it. If she had not been sexually assaulted, which if she was it wasn't stated, it was probably a crime involving personal anger. Could have been a female neighbor, even. She probably would have felt comfortable letting a female neighbor into her home and turning her back to them. Unless the attacker just walked in, but then they probably would have had to have known that they left the door unlocked, meaning that they would likely have to live close enough to know that. Most apartments with security guards don't let random people just hang about long enough for them to find out information like that. A neighbor would also explain why they seemed to have left out the same way that they came in from. If it were the fiancee, unless he left and then snuck back in, you'd think there would have been a verbal altercation, at very least, prior to the stabbing.
@@ThisAlphaWolf Jesus!!! You hit the nail on its head...mabe she had a long term relationship with the guard...whenever he's gone he slips her the ol Pringles can...got jealous and...you know....she rejected him and splat!! For me, that's the best scenario...loved reading your comment btw...nice!!!
@@philipjorge3111 Thanks, I enjoyed reading yours as well! I spotted your comment and noticed that you had put some actual thought into it. I watch a lot of true crime and it's nearly never as easy as it seems when the elements are that strange. Sometimes, sure, but not often. I would think they'd have checked out the guy being at the gym because I'm sure eyed him first. They seem to have done some detective work, although it doesn't look like they wanted to go after answers too badly. It would be the obvious first step, I would think. Good possibility that it could have been the security guard. Hopefully they can get the cause of death changed at some point and maybe we can find out. If it is the security guard, that's an awfully terrifying prospect for any ladies that live in that building, that's for sure!
@@ThisAlphaWolf I find that...awesome reply btw....I find that the solution to something is so apparent and in your face that alot will just either not want to believe it or over look it at first glance...its like instilled in our brain that if it's to easy then it's probably not the right answer!!! But people are transparent and sloppy...my money is on the guard! 😆🤣
@@philipjorge3111 Yes, I think people overlook more obvious elements and go for the low hanging fruit, so to speak, all too often. It's not too hard to pin the tail on the donkey but it's much easier if you take off the blindfold.
Sounds like Matthew had an accident with the horses, and the house was prob where they tried to save him, panicked, strangled him and disposed of that poor baby.
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