This is why I like Young Justice's version of Batman more. He does have his issues of trying to be a good dad, but it's never to the point of being abusive or terrible. In Young Justice, he demonstrates that everything he does for and with Dick Grayson is to make sure he never becomes like him. From helping him get justice for his parents to making sure he gets training in the disguise of something fun like using basketball to heighten observing skills.
+Wen L. Most likely similar to the comics where Joker kidnaps and "murders" Jason, though I bet the details and the way it happened are different, as there was a sense they were setting up for a possible story-arc where Jason would be a villain. Maybe he was part of the team and he blames them for never being able to find him. Wouldn't surprise me if Ra's Al Ghul resurrected him for the sole purpose of being a double agent for the Light, only for him to escape and plan his revenge on his own.
@@time391 Jason Todd became Robin and died in the series. It happened during the time skip between season 1 and 2. Robin (Jason Todd), Aquagirl (Toola) and Blue Beetle (Ted Kord) had died in the hiatus.
One other bad thing that Bruce did to him was not telling him about Jason’s death (Dick was off world and didn’t know for weeks) and later getting mad at Dick when talking about him and how Dick didn’t want Jason to be Robin. While that may have been true and Bruce was grieving, that wasn’t entirely fair to Dick, who also grieved Jason’s death. In general, Dick is the closest to Bruce, and that shouldn’t be forgotten, but these two hit a few bumps along the way.
Evelyn Sakura Dick didn’t learn about it until some point in the New Teen Titans (I forget the issue at the moment). He was in space doing Titans business when it happened and later found out because he found some newspapers talking about it. He confronts Bruce about it later. I believe around the time, if not before Tim was going to be Robin (again I forget the issue) and Bruce got mad at Dick for mentioning it and how Dick never wanted Jason to be Robin. He didn’t, but it wasn’t like he could stop him since it was also during the time where they were on rocky ground.
I feel like so many writers are obsessed with making Batman this image of brute force, no care, and no empathy. From my experience of reading Batman through the years, he's always been deeply empathetic and caring, and as a father kind of like a drill sergeant, but never abusive. If we move away from these uber-aggressive ideas about him, we'd all get the Batman we know and love. A man who lost his family, and finds people like him to help them too.
Brian Michael Bendis got this right in his Batman: Universe run. In it, Batman is still a badass but a caring person as well. It's far more interesting to see such complexity. This is a guy who wants others to never have to go through what he did.
@@tjjordan4207 There are really comics where Batman is not a bad father?? I have seen so many youtube vids and googled but I can't actually find good ones and I don't want to read Batman who is a freaking superhero abuse his own children
@@srialekhyananduri7036 They are hard to find but they are out there. While Batman Universe doesn't necessarily have Batman being a good father in his earlier days (because it's connected to continuity), he is a good father in the present-day of that comic. Even a good friend.
Well if the joker died batman would not be a hero be cuz a hero can't be a hero with out a villen and that's why Bruce became batman to cure his depression so that's why
For a man who traveled the world learning of science, Detective skills, martial arts, strategy, escapology, etc. you’d think he would learn something about friendship or decency...
I'd be inclined to agree but the examples given above are all from different superhero eras and the writers constantly change hands so naturally there's going to be a discrepancy in his moral compass when different people put their own spin. That being said he's a pretty trash Dad all things considered but its what you'd expect.
StupidIdiot_ 5 this picture is pretty much what a good parent looks like... if you ever have kids, just note that these actions are in fact necessary, don't listen to what needle says.
Amen. No disrespect to Frank Miller, but he takes things a little too far and extreme with every Batman comic he does. He turns him into a raging psychotic, killing monster and makes Batman a jerk to pretty much everyone, especially people who are suppose to be his family. I get that every writer makes their own interpretation of characters and all, but the way he does it was really unnecessary.
"Sir I am your butler I am your aide I am your medic I am not however,your SLAVE. Unhand Me" This single line automatically makes alfred more badass than batman
Honestly as someone who’s adopted this infuriates me so much. It gives (ignorant) people the idea that this could actually happen to a kid. Also, just the idea in and of itself makes me sick.
5: .... 4: Why? Because he's the Goddamn Batman. 3: Weird... 2: Well, that & The Killing Joke movie 1: "Children shouldn't become vigilantes" Then again... Teen Titans. 0: Slapped Robin in the face and become a meme out of it.
Bruce didn't tell Dick about Jason's death until a long time after, and that's another reasob why Dick doesn't like Bruce. He also didn't tell Dick about Jason, Dick just knew that Bruce gave the name his mother called him to some other kid.
I've always been a little iffy about that. Even if Bruce tried to talk them out of it, they still would have gone out and done it. He just decided to train them under his adult supervision.
You could argue that Dick would have become a vigilante either way. Given that, Batman's choice is "Do I let this kid out there on his own to get himself killed, or do I supervise and train him in order to minimize the risk of him dying or being seriously injured?"
Samuel Dixon True. That’s kind of the reason he took Jason in. It was either, take this boy in and give him a positive outlet or take him down at some point later on.
christian crusader Yeah. His Resurrection, the effects of the Lazarus Pit, and not feeling avenged for his death also contributed. Bruce had good intension, but he wasn’t perfect to say the least. Even though things have gotten better between them, there’s no denying that Jason wouldn’t be where he is if it wasn’t for Bruce.
christian crusader True. I mean don’t get me wrong, I like Tim Drake, but you would figure after that he wouldn’t. I think he was initially, but Tim pointed out how Batman needed Robin, during a time when Bruce was (albiet aggressively) grieving.
I hate to be the one to admit it, but birthday spankings are common in many areas of the country. It’s an old tradition for luck, including in my family. Plus it’s fun to try to catch each other to deliver the final ‘present’. You aren’t supposed to spank hard enough to do damage though.
At birth doctors spank the babies to force their lungs to start. To commemorate on birthdays friends/family give one spank for every year to celebrate all the years past and welcome the new one. It's not meant to hurt, it's supposed to be a light love tap like a pat on the back. Then there's always the people who find it kinky lol.
Birthday spankings in my area is so common that I never really think about it. That may be why I was so surprised that you mentioned it. I never stopped to consider that this practice is not done by everyone.
Well spanking someone ( on the ass ) is only done to punish said person in my country. Parents usually do it if their child misbehaves, that's why it's quite odd that this is supposed to be a "luck tradition".
I’d rather continue seeing Dick as Batman’s first and favorite child, the one that became a man he’s proud of as a father, the “multiversal constant” according to Superman.
The worst thing he did was make Robin wear bright clothes when they go out in the middle of the night while Batman himself wears dark colours while they are patrolling... Also not giving him pants
You forgot to mention, in TAS he was with a girl, and things were getting serious, Batman calls him, and realizing what he just interrupted, he smiles Batman: Professional *Cockblocker!*
Zack Owens Wow I feel "soooo hurt" right now....I don't care what you think or say about me because a random person on a RU-vid comment section is gonna bring me down EVER...so bye I'm not even gonna try to start a war with you end of conversation
Yeah, drafting him into your sociopathic 'mission' as a child soldier is definitely nasty. Bruce also gave Dick's family's colours and pet name for him to another child without consulting him. There's also the fact that he's been brainwashed so completely with Batman's no killing rule that he values the lives of every psychopath and lowlife more than his own.
I think valuing other people’s life’s even those of psychopaths before your own is actually a really admirable quality. If everyone would think like that the world would be a paradise.
There are only 2 Frank Miller works that are Batman related. Batman: Year One, and The Dark Knight Returns. I know of no others. Nor do you. DO NOT QUESTION ME ON THIS, TRUST ME ON THIS.
You are right, my friend, you are right. Desperate Batman fans trying to hide from the world Frank Miller's wrongdoings is pretty much my daily aesthetic.
The first child always takes the brunt of everything so the youngers don’t have to. This goes for the writers who make Grayson most of all. I don’t think any of them had any experience writing kid characters or even how to write one for Batman. They saw him as a side kick but not an actual kid. Personally I like the Young Justice version of Batman and Dick and the newest (fanmade) comic Wayne Family Adventures. THATS a comic that knows how to write good relationships and mentally healthy Bruce Wayne!
I honestly have an album in my phone while reading the comics for every time that Dick is mistreated in the comics, and te album is huge. I just feel so protective of him because he deserved better.
Its more so the worst thing that Frank Miller has done to Batman, with a side of Batman Beyond 2.0. I can see why he made Dick fake his death, even though I didn’t agree with it. As for the Robin part, realistically yes. And if Bruce didn’t want him to be Robin, it was still Dick’s choice. And if it was Dick’s choice, he would’ve done it no matter what Bruce said. That’s my take on it
I swear, AT4W should have a variant: Miller, you're a racist **scans of Holy Terror** Grayson, you're a rapist **scans of Nightwing 93** If you've ever had a bad comic published It could be your turn
Fun fact: the Joker hates Dick Grayson the most out of the Robins because he was the only Robin that he didnt scare for life like he did for Tim Drake and Jason Todd
Yes, but almost all of his adopted children were also very broken. Just because he's hurt doesn't mean he has the right to treat his children so horribly because, "It's impressive that he wasn't abusive." However, I'd argue that the way he treats his children throughout the comics and the way they view him could be seen as abusive.
TheDinosuarOfLowIQ Dick was going to try to be a vigilante anyway so Bruce took him on as Robin to make sure he didn't become like him. With Jason, it was an attempt to focus his anger toward something better. He was pressured into taking Tim on by Dick, Alfred and Tim himself. Then he had to adopt him later, after his dad died. I think that Jason was the only one where Bruce was wrong. Him becoming Robin just made him worse. The rest were going to do it anyway.
@@ginge641 No, Jason becoming Red Hood is actually one of the BEST futures for Jason, especially considering his past. Without Bruce's interference, he would have become a junkie, a crook always going in or out of jail or worse
@@DavidbarZeus1 Yes, but him becoming Red Hood is far from what he wanted. Jason was especially dangerous when he first returned. Bruce felt he had created one of his most dangerous enemies.
Frank Miller was great...emphasis on *was.* The Dark Knight Returns and Batman Year One are fantastic because they play to Miller's strengths: dark, gritty stories with over the top action and a noir tone. But after like, 2001, he went off the walls *insane.* Like, having Batman fight Al Qaeda, crazy. That and the absolute train wreck that is All-Star Batman. He's a great Batman writer, but only for two kinds of Batman stories: Batman just starting out, and Batman after he's gone absolutely nuts. Anything else is just garbage.
rockman mix and then there was the alternate universe where neither of them took him in... And he was raised by slade. I mean honestly, Grayson can never get a break.
And there was this batman special thing and a part of it is a story if batman never exists and there dick grayson killed tony zucco (his parents'murderer). But years later he got executed
rockman mix Yeah, while I’d find that interesting, Dick becoming Robin was a good thing. That or Raptor taking him in since Rapter was fond of Marie Lloyd a.k.a. Mary Grayson.
rockman mix and there was a timeline where his circus was killed by Starfire and he became dr Fate. Anyway a timeline where Dick is part of the owls will be pretty cool with him being enemies with Bruce until becoming allies
Batman forever definitely shows your end point. Bruce didn’t want Dick to become Robin but Dick forced his hand, eventually being fine with him becoming Robin.
I always like to think that the Batfamily has a loving relationship with each other, but I know that's realistically not possible. I'll just headcanon that, despite his flaws, his kids still love him in their own way, because they know he loves them too, as much as he usually doesn't show that, and does the things he does to protect them. My favorite Batman is the one that tries to be a good parent, but failing at times, only because he wants the best for his family (like Young Justice or Arkhamverse Batman).
@@smile4cs damn, can’t say I’ve heard of that then... I mean I’ve heard of like birthday punchies, but spanking? I guess I’m too New England for all of you lmao 😂
Dick was in space when Jason died. Bruce didn’t tell him. Dick found out Jason died after he got back on world, fROM A MISSION REPORT WHILE HE WAS STILL IN THE TEEN TITANS TOWER
Gross. The most chilling part is that Alfred removed his clothes and replaced them with silk pajamas. So seamlessly, that he didn’t even wake up. If I’m ever at Wayne manor, I’ll have to leave a note that I’d like to dress myself, thank you very much.
this is what happens when you starve yourself off emotional intimacy by still choose to hang around people. Bruce can wear a mask, play a character for the public, and even relinquish leadership to others but if someone gets close because of his lack of connections emotionally he forcibly connects to them and emotions he has never properly handled flow out of him. Bruce most likely didnt think of Barbara as an actual love interest and instead was consumed by emotions and urges that he actively attempted to avoid for most of his life and it was easy for him to give in because these feelings weren't directed towards someone that he constantly has to keep on his toes around like cat woman, it was someone he could consider 'family' someone he could let his guard down around and while it doesnt make this any better because he was like an idol, symbol of justice, teacher, and surrogate father (creepy) to barbara so her feelings towards Bruce made it easier for this to happen. this all culminates in the idea that the way Batman/Bruce conducts himself is mentally self-destructive and as he is slowly destroying himself he hurts those around him which coincidentally is why i fucking hate the plot-twist of the resent bat-wedding because this marriage would force batman to confront parts of himself he only becomes aware of when he fucks up because he would be in a co-dependent relation ship and catwoman wouldnt take his bullshit when he isnt being the guy worth of "because im batman"
His distrustful, controlling, almost totalitarian nature make him extremely difficult to work with. His inability to function in a normal relationship-romantic or otherwise-is just unhealthy. These aren't traits I'd want to see my kids developing. And let's talk for a minute about how he relates to kids. Nevermind the physical danger he subjects them to on a regular basis. He shouldn't encourage any child to go down the same path he's taken. And yet he does it, time & time again. He brings them into his world of dress-up & make-believe, indulges their fantasies & denies them any semblance of a normal life. He's teaching them to hide from their pain, not cope with it. He's not helping them; he's screwing them up further. (Look at Jason Todd if you want to argue.) It also doesn't help that he's never had a stable woman in his life. Yet he keeps trying to raise children without one. A boy needs a mother as well as a father, especially if his father figure feels that dressing up like animals & punching people is the best way to solve your problems. In real life, if you saw a bachelor take a kid into his care & parade him around in a mask, barking orders at him & once again, ENDANGERING HIS LIFE, you'd petition the court to take the kid away. And you'd be right to do so. As it stands, the way Bruce handles kids is in a lot of ways remniscent of Michael Jackson. No, you die-hard Bat-fans, I'm not saying he's molesting the kids (But then I don't think Michael did either)-but I am saying that there are parallels. An emotionally stunted man trying to bring up an emotionally scarred kid by himself is a recipe for disaster. Another thing; I remember someone (I think it was Frank Miller) saying that Batman believes that entropy & chaos are the natural state of man, & order must be imposed by force. Y'know, I seem to recall similar sentiments being spoken by Darth Vader.
What I concider the worst. (A sequence of events. I DON'T KNOW CANON VERY WELL, PLS CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG) -Batman fires Robin for being hurt (after being a vigilante for years). Dick takes it as the rejection it is and leaves. -Dick goes to a new city, starts a new life, Batman is a no show. -Batman takes in another kid and doesn't tell him anything. Ouch, is he some kind of stranger? -Said kid dies, still doesn't tell him anything because he is like a stranger. -Blockbuster ruins his life, attacks the circus, blows up his neighbors, Dick is losing it, still Bruce is no show. -Blud is destroyed, Dick actively tries to kill himself, Batman shows up to yell at him that it's his fault for not valuing his own life (when Batman has straight up told him that the lives of the people he saves are more important than his own). I know that Bruce supposedly cares about Dick, it just doesn't fit with any one of these and especially not with all of them together.
It's crazy.. none of this is Canon. Besides the very last one, which honestly Batman brought out dicks full potential. He's an incredible guy because of what he went through and also who he is.
Just a side note, the whole "he's lied and omitted information to the batfamily" part is actually kind of why I love Batman vs a lot of other superheroes. Batman's bad choices, lying, and other things show that he truly is just a MAN. He makes mistakes, and sometimes those mistakes cost him. But it's understandable. He may be Batman, but he's not perfect. A lot of other heroes always make the right choice and save the day. Batman makes the wrong choice, and he bears the burden of his choices, fighting through his mistakes and saving the day anyways. It's a lot more relatable, and honestly opens up way more avenues of vulnerability. Also, despite his lying and things, he always has good intentions. He's afraid of seeing them get hurt. He doesn't want to mingle them into his problems. Despite taking on so many apprentices, he still feels like he has to do everything himself. They're moreover backup to him, but he would never want to put them on the front lines unless he absolutely had to. Again, it's what I love about Batman.
Although I do understand you’re number 1 choice (Batman allowing Dick Grayson to become Robin) I would personally have to disagree. Yes it’s a very odd choice for Bruce to allow him to become Robin, but hear me out: When Dick figured out that Bruce was Batman he immediately wanted to join him in his war against crime. Naturally Batman didn’t want this lifestyle for his son, but let’s be honest, Dick would just sneak out of the house and fight street thug’s whenever Batman where to left the mansion. At least being trained by Batman meant that Robin actually had a chance to survive the harsh streets of Gotham. Now I do agree with the point that this decision led to the entire list but the decision of making him Robin I don’t think wasn’t that bad.
In Young Justice Wonder Woman makes the comment that he began training Robin at the tender age of 9. Batman's reply was the that he allowed Robin to train with him so Robin wouldn't become him. I don't really count the Batman Strikes again version because according to that conversation Grayson did not stay a Robin. He had a chance to live a life without being robin and he became a metamutant. Now once Grayson turned himself into that Batman had no choice but to defend himself and Carrie by destroying Grayson.
Dick Grayson is a great Robin because he was the only one who actually was loyal to Batman. Batman didn't threat Dick Grayson good. I know that people will say Tim Drake was loyal too but you should know that he didn't have so much respect at the start of the Robin carrier like Dick Grayson had.
"Having erased Robin's memory." Yeah, that could never ever happen to Batman. Nope. Never. This couldn't possibly happen to him later as some sort of karma.
Can you do "which Jedi/Sith should have which Lantern ring" Qui Gon Jinn Obi wan Yoda Luke Mace windu Count dooku Palpatine Darth Maul Darth Vader Kylo Ren
Darth Knightwing Phoenix woah calm down, he is not a darth but a sith. Yes he is weak but sith is sith and a red ring would make him stronger than he could ever be
I think the first example isn’t Batman’s fault. He didn’t even know they were related. Frank’s version of Dick Grayson was evil, but I get what you mean. He trained him up only to abandon him.
Wasn't there a sequence after Court of Owls when Bruce (and I admit Bruce had been through a LOT) goes off on Dick about the Grayson/Owl link, and punches him for no really good reason ? Especially when Richard had just been deeply instrumental in getting Batman through the whole ordeal alive and relatively sane? Then Dick basically says he wishes he could just quit Batman, but that's not possible. The moment struck me as quite sad. Am I remembering correctly? I need to dig out my Owls graphic collection!
From what i remember (well at least from Snyder's Court of Owls scenario), Nightwing is upset because Batman didn't tell him that the talon who was sent to kill him was in fact Dick's great-grand-father. So Nightwing starts yelling at Bruce, asking him why Bruce shut him out and kept that secret, but above all he accused Bruce of caring only for himself, not trusting Dick enough to confess all of that ... Fed up with this bullshit, Batman smacks Nightwing, so hard one of Dick's teeth fell off. However, this tooth is not any tooth, it's one decorated with the Court's seal ... proving that Dick was meant to be the next talon. (Ok I'll admit Bruce kinda overreacted, but he had a pretty rough day though, and Dick questioning his integrity + confronting him with his trust issues certainly made him more pissed)
Actually in Batman Beyond Tarry has an entire conversation with Barbara about her association with Bruce. She mentions Dick by name and mentions them dating. If you want to check it out for yourself watch season 1 episode 12
5 worst things Bruce has done to Jason Todd! -choosing to save the joker over his over son -taking Jason to the place he died so he can relive his death -beating the shit outta Jason hospitalizing him for 3 months, all for no reason -that shitty message he left for Jason after Bruce's "death" -keeping the "good solider" memorial in the cave even after he came back Lmao there's so many more! Because apparently it's ok for Bruce to be an abusive prick to Jason!
you should make this a series! i'd like to see a list of the most shitty things he's done to Alfred, Barbara, Jason, Tim, Damian etc. He's been especially awful to Jason and Alfred over the years and its about time he was held accountable. Deliberately triggering Jason's PTSD under the ruse of family bonding, slitting his throat and spending years blaming Jason's recklessness and violent tendencies for his death (which is not even slightly true - he was betrayed by his birth mother and died heroically while trying to protect her even though she didn't deserve it) are stand out examples to me. Dude is a pretty good superhero but he is not very good at treating his family with dignity, respect and care, is he?
I'm not sure where you're going with this. Bruce is almost always depicted as blaming himself for Jason's death. If he's characterized otherwise then that's just out of character.
Number 1#: Giving him a very colourful costume so he is fucking useless in stealth missions, basically useless in stealth missions, making the villains notice him first. Basically giving him a death sentence.
Turning him into Robin is probably the best and the worst thing Batman has ever done to Dick. He could have a normal live and a normal wife and a normal family without any tragic event in his life, but tbh i think Dick was more happier when he was Robin and Nightwing
Some of them wasnt batman fault i mean so far only like 3 but even then it easy to blame on any one but for the other parts there are non cannon but other than that it is good fpr people to look at and maybe ask if this is cannon?
Batman in the main continuity isn't as evil or cruel as this video portrays, he's just complicated. In the comic books, he tried to reach out to Dick recently before his wedding with Selina and they do share a father son moment between them. Also in the main continuity, Batman knows in his heart and soul, the only person who can handle the batman mantle beyond him would be Dick and Dick Grayson knows this too. Damian is too bloodthirsty and immature despite his appearance, Jason is too violent and cyncial, and Tim is too calculating/manipulative, All of Batman's other children have things and expertise surpassing him or Dick, but Dick Grayson was and is the only person whocan balance his humanity with tragedy like Batman. PS: Baman Beyond is now in Rebirth storyline, so the 2.0 continuity may or may not be accurate.
